some of those links will be hit HARD in the first few minutes so pick a
couple of them to be safe... Also, some sites are better than others...
so look around and enjoy the show!
General Interest/Potpourri
Live Keynote Coverage
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote Coverage on Hardmac" HardMac 9:19 AM
* "Apple Gazette Live for WWDC" Apple Gazette 9:16 AM
* "TUAW Coverage of WWDC 2008" The Unofficial Apple Weblog 9:14 AM
* "WWDC: Apple publishes keynote video podcast feed/Apple has
created an official keynotes video podcast feed through iTunes" Macworld
UK 8:39 AM
* "Live from Apple's WWDC in San Francisco" MacNN 8:37 AM
* "WWDC 08 - TMO Live Coverage: WWDC 08" The Mac Observer 8:30 AM
* "Live blog: Steve Jobs at WWDC 2008" CNET News.com 8:27 AM
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote Live Audio Stream" iPhone Alley 7:59 AM
* "MacScoop WWDC 2008 keynote live coverage" MacScoop 7:34 AM
* "Live from the Apple WWDC Keynote" Gizmodo 6/8
* "Steve Jobs keynote live from WWDC 2008" Engadget 6/8
* "MacRumors.com - Live Event Coverage - Macworld San Francisco,
WWDC & Special Events" MacRumors Live 6/8
* "Ars at WWDC '08: Live coverage, developer highlights" Ars
Technica 6/8
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote is tomorrow and CG, MC, and TC will be there"
CrunchGear 6/8
* "Live Coverage of WWDC 2008 Keynote: Monday 9th at 10am!"
SlashGear 6/8
* "Final Reminder: Live video coverage of keynote announcements
Monday" TheDigitalLifestyle 6/7
LIVE Keynote "Textcasts" start around 9:50am (LINKS)
Below is the main list of sites that will have LIVE text streaming of
the Keynote. 9:50am California Time - Video will be available at the
bottom link this afternoon.
some of those links will be hit HARD in the first few minutes so pick a
couple of them to be safe... Also, some sites are better than others...
so look around and enjoy the show!
General Interest/Potpourri
Live Keynote Coverage
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote Coverage on Hardmac" HardMac 9:19 AM
* "Apple Gazette Live for WWDC" Apple Gazette 9:16 AM
* "TUAW Coverage of WWDC 2008" The Unofficial Apple Weblog 9:14 AM
* "WWDC: Apple publishes keynote video podcast feed/Apple has
created an official keynotes video podcast feed through iTunes" Macworld
UK 8:39 AM
* "Live from Apple's WWDC in San Francisco" MacNN 8:37 AM
* "WWDC 08 - TMO Live Coverage: WWDC 08" The Mac Observer 8:30 AM
* "Live blog: Steve Jobs at WWDC 2008" CNET News.com 8:27 AM
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote Live Audio Stream" iPhone Alley 7:59 AM
* "MacScoop WWDC 2008 keynote live coverage" MacScoop 7:34 AM
* "Live from the Apple WWDC Keynote" Gizmodo 6/8
* "Steve Jobs keynote live from WWDC 2008" Engadget 6/8
* "MacRumors.com - Live Event Coverage - Macworld San Francisco,
WWDC & Special Events" MacRumors Live 6/8
* "Ars at WWDC '08: Live coverage, developer highlights" Ars
Technica 6/8
* "WWDC 2008 Keynote is tomorrow and CG, MC, and TC will be there"
CrunchGear 6/8
* "Live Coverage of WWDC 2008 Keynote: Monday 9th at 10am!"
SlashGear 6/8
* "Final Reminder: Live video coverage of keynote announcements
Monday" TheDigitalLifestyle 6/7
At least during the exceedingly BORING demos of sillysoftware like an AP
news app (Yawn)....you can ogle Cali's boobs ooozing around inside the t-
shirt...(c;
Ustream had a rough start, but seems to have smoothed out and the audio is
quite acceptable....except for the blogger clicking away on his keyboard
the mic is mounted on....
11:39 am With GPS, the iPhone can do tracking. A pulsating dot is moving
across the Google map as a car drives down Lombard street.
11:38 am Data from cell towers, WiFi networks, and now -- GPS.
11:38 am GPS support now integrated into the iPhone.
11:38 am 3G has great battery life on iPhone. 300 hours of standby, 2G
talk-time now has 10 hours (as opposed to 5), 5 hours of 3G talk-time
(most phones only have 3 hour 3G talk time), 5 to 6 hours of high-speed
browsing, 7 hours of video, 24 hours of audio.
11:37 am Now demoing an email download. The email attachment took 5
seconds to download on 3G and 18 seconds on EDGE. 3 seconds on WiFi.
11:36 am 2.8X faster. Approaching WiFi speeds (WiFi scored 17 seconds).
When compared to other 3G phones (Nokia N95 and Treo 750), the iPhone is
36% faster -- and better looking.
11:35 am How does the iPhone 3G tackle the challenges? 3G = faster data
downloads, perfect for Safari and Mail. Comparing download speeds
between 3G and EDGE. 3G finished in 21 seconds. EDGE finished in 59
seconds.
11:33 am Apple has learned so much with the first iPhone. They have
taken everything they've learned and more and created the iPhone 3G.
Even thinner, black plastic back, solid metal buttons, same gorgeous
display, camera, flush headphone jack, and dramatically improved audio.
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-D4DADE.12432609062008
@news.qwest.net:
> 7 hours of video, 24 hours of audio
Question - How long does it take to LOAD 7 hours of video onto it?
Will it STORE 7 hours of video?
How long will the battery last STORING 7 hours of video?
If it had a removeable memory card, those answers would be:
5 seconds
Easy
Infinite. Plugging in a memory card doesn't use battery power.
Not a single word was said of any changes in little details like which
codecs does it support, which new plugins does Safari have on it, etc....
If there had been new, improvements, I'm sure we would have heard about
them, instead of the long string of boring SDK demos.....right?
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-14599A.14283809062008
@news.qwest.net:
> yeah, but you wouldn't want the unreliability of that, plus you'd still
> have to spend 15-20 minutes coping it to the memory card, so your idea
> is too complicated to make any valid sense.
>
>
Oh, come on! When was the last time you had a memory card fail you didn't
crush stupidly. I buy the cheapest ones on the planet (A-card, $59 for
16GB on buy.com) and they work flawlessly!
Unreliable?.....and you have a iPhone with hotglued cables in it?!
> > 7 hours of video, 24 hours of audio
>
> Question - How long does it take to LOAD 7 hours of video onto it?
> Will it STORE 7 hours of video?
> How long will the battery last STORING 7 hours of video?
about 15-20 minutes.
> If it had a removeable memory card, those answers would be:
> 5 seconds
yeah, but you wouldn't want the unreliability of that, plus you'd still
have to spend 15-20 minutes coping it to the memory card, so your idea
is too complicated to make any valid sense.
> Easy
> Infinite. Plugging in a memory card doesn't use battery power.
so they run on fairy dust? interesting. trust me, apple's way is more
efficient. no ore goofing around with old memory cards.
> Not a single word was said of any changes in little details like which
> codecs does it support, which new plugins does Safari have on it, etc....
why would you need that info? all that has already been done, just use
Visual Hub or Handbreak if you don't know the codec and it will
automatically covert it to the iPhone or iPod Touch... easy as pie...
> If there had been new, improvements, I'm sure we would have heard about
> them, instead of the long string of boring SDK demos.....right?
nah, it was a wonderful keynote, LOTS of new inventions. stuff like the
pin pointing your friends on google maps with iphones in real time is
very slick... and the whole MobileMe.com stuff is far ahead of anyone in
the market... watch the tour and you'll start to learn about your future.
> > automatically covert it to the iPhone or iPod Touch.
>
> What nonsense "convert it". Download it from usenet and PLAY IT....just
> like your laptop or desktop.
then you can do that too. do you even own a cell phone?
In article <Xns9AB8A8A75C02Enoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, come on! When was the last time you had a memory card fail you didn't
> crush stupidly. I buy the cheapest ones on the planet (A-card, $59 for
> 16GB on buy.com) and they work flawlessly!
>
> Unreliable?.....and you have a iPhone with hotglued cables in it?!
i'm not saying the cards are, but the "people" trying to manage those
cards are. too much room for error so better to go the full mile and
have the iphone simply sync all data, movies, songs, etc and recharge it
with one simple cable.
no futzing around like people used to do with memory cards, those days
are long gone.
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-5790EE.15120309062008
@news.qwest.net:
> no futzing around like people used to do with memory cards, those days
> are long gone.
>
> do you even have a cell phone?
>
>
Yes, but it only has a 4GB microSD in it, a MotoROKR Z6m. It's just a
bluetooth modem with an MP3 player in it...(c;
I use an array of memory cards for the N800 Linux tablet. I have some
old 8GB cards full of music and ebooks and the 16GB external card is for
Divx movies off alt.binaries.movies.divx. (I'm enjoying the flood of old
Westerns that someone posted at the moment.)
I don't change out the internal 16GB card. It's for storage of Maemo
Mapper's mosaic panels from Google, Virtual Earth, Runway Finder
(aeronautical charts), etc.; a couple hundred Palm OS apps that run under
Garnet Virtual Machine, the new Palm OS people; 256MB of extra virtual
memory expanding the internal fixed memory; lots of data and library
files the installed software uses.....sorta like C:\Programs on a WinXP
box....and a few movies I like to keep on the tablet as there's lots of
space left unused.
I can't imagine being stuck with ANY device I wouldn't have removeable
storage of some kind available. I need to have unlimited storage that
swappable storage provides.
Now, the smartassed Linux hackers have a little app that puts our USB
port into OTG and HOST mode, as well as the defaulted Peripheral mode it
uses to restore the OS. Memory just went way up as I can plug in one of
my massive 500/750GB or 1TB external USB hard drives! I can just move
the hard drive from the PC to the tablet and let the tablet copy stuff
off the hard drive straight onto its memory cards or the other way,
without using Bluetooth FTP or over the wifi, which is much slower. And,
doing that doesn't upset whatever the XP box is downloading by having to
cope with copying onto the memory cards plugged into the PC via a USB
adapter.
The tablet, of course, won't POWER the external hard drives, so you have
to have them plugged into an AC adapter or a car cord if you want to
carry it with you....(c;
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-5790EE.15120309062008
@news.qwest.net:
> i'm not saying the cards are, but the "people" trying to manage those
> cards are. too much room for error so better to go the full mile and
> have the iphone simply sync all data, movies, songs, etc and recharge
it
> with one simple cable.
>
>
If you can't handle the files on a card, how do you handle the files on a
hard drive?? There's PLENTY of room for error on the hard drive!
The N800's File Manager was specifically designed with users in mind. It
gives them no access, at all, of anything Linux, only their personal
files and folders. The File Manager can't change or delete any system
files, library files, anything that might destroy the tablet, or the
memory it uses, even on the cards.
For that, there's EMELFM2, a dual pane Linux file handler ported to the
Maemo tablets and every Linux/Unix system. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/
With it, you can just blow it all to hell!.....(c;
But that's not death to a tablet. It just means you have to reinstall
the OS via USB from your WinXP box and the handy tablet burner and
reinstall everything as punishment for screwing up. We do that every
once in a while, anyway, just to clean off the table and start over
anew!....(c;
Xterm is our favorite video game....If you lose, you lose BIGTIME!
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-F681DA.15060409062008
@news.qwest.net:
> your comments seem very uneducated.
>
I'm sorry, Sir, but it is YOU who is uneducated. You need to investigate
the world OUTSIDE of Apple's kiddieware. Educate yourself to new
horizons that don't have training wheels you can't take off on net
appliances you don't control.
I'm no coder, just an informed user. However, I really do appreciate
those much smarter than I who provide me with such wonderful toys and
experiences. I'm a hardware guy, and know enough not to venture too far
into the software guys' domain. But, I have great respect for them.
Without them, the hardware is useless, no matter how fast and brilliantly
it is designed.
I'm no "Nokia Fanboi", either. They happen to have built the neatest
machine AT THE MOMENT, that the software geniuses seem to have "taken a
shine to".
Come take a spin outside the Appleware world. Leave the training wheels
back home. You can't really hurt it, permanently, unless you get so
frustrated you throw it through a window, of course. That's half the
fun!
......and after you buy it, it costs you NOTHING to load it with some of
the coolest stuff on the planet: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/
just click the GREEN ARROW to install it. You can mow the lawn next
week...(c;
I saw some new games at the iPhone announcement today. A couple of days
ago, the Linux geniuses brought us this and gave it to us: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vgba/
How many games can a Gameboy Advanced play?.....??
Anyone with kids already has the GBA cartridges....
In article <Xns9AB8B4E1BF829noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> If you can't handle the files on a card, how do you handle the files on a
> hard drive?? There's PLENTY of room for error on the hard drive!
>
> The N800's File Manager was specifically designed with users in mind. It
> gives them no access, at all, of anything Linux, only their personal
> files and folders. The File Manager can't change or delete any system
> files, library files, anything that might destroy the tablet, or the
> memory it uses, even on the cards.
>
> For that, there's EMELFM2, a dual pane Linux file handler ported to the
> Maemo tablets and every Linux/Unix system.
> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/
> With it, you can just blow it all to hell!.....(c;
> But that's not death to a tablet. It just means you have to reinstall
> the OS via USB from your WinXP box and the handy tablet burner and
> reinstall everything as punishment for screwing up. We do that every
> once in a while, anyway, just to clean off the table and start over
> anew!....(c;
>
> Xterm is our favorite video game....If you lose, you lose BIGTIME!
do you even understand how the iphone operates?
ah, you don't deal with files on the hard drive, since iTunes does all
that automatically!
you just choose the software, music, movies you want and click "sync".
done!
very easy, but probably too easy for you to understand.
"David Moyer" <meetme@world.com> wrote in message
news:meetme-0A28EA.16091709062008@news.qwest.net...
> In article <Xns9AB8B4E1BF829noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> If you can't handle the files on a card, how do you handle the files on a
>> hard drive?? There's PLENTY of room for error on the hard drive!
>>
>> The N800's File Manager was specifically designed with users in mind. It
>> gives them no access, at all, of anything Linux, only their personal
>> files and folders. The File Manager can't change or delete any system
>> files, library files, anything that might destroy the tablet, or the
>> memory it uses, even on the cards.
>>
>> For that, there's EMELFM2, a dual pane Linux file handler ported to the
>> Maemo tablets and every Linux/Unix system.
>> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/
>> With it, you can just blow it all to hell!.....(c;
>> But that's not death to a tablet. It just means you have to reinstall
>> the OS via USB from your WinXP box and the handy tablet burner and
>> reinstall everything as punishment for screwing up. We do that every
>> once in a while, anyway, just to clean off the table and start over
>> anew!....(c;
>>
>> Xterm is our favorite video game....If you lose, you lose BIGTIME!
>
> do you even understand how the iphone operates?
>
> ah, you don't deal with files on the hard drive, since iTunes does all
> that automatically!
>
> you just choose the software, music, movies you want and click "sync".
> done!
>
> very easy, but probably too easy for you to understand.
There's nothing like total control of the customer, especially if you
can convince them of how much better off they are. Jobs must have finally
gotten around to reading ideas from the automotive industry of the 50s. I
wonder if he'll read where that led or if he'll just act shocked when it
goes south? My guess is that he'll do what his self-destructive streak
always leads him to do and just talk about how no one other than himself and
a few others really understand the product.
This is all funny as hell to see as the Applevolk are the first to spew
hatred at MS for a far lower level of control over the customer.
In article <Xns9AB89A3EA99CDnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> If there had been new, improvements, I'm sure we would have heard about
> them, instead of the long string of boring SDK demos.....right?
Yeah...who the heck wants SDK demos at a developer's conference? Oh,
wait...
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-0A28EA.16091709062008
@news.qwest.net:
> do you even understand how the iphone operates?
>
> ah, you don't deal with files on the hard drive, since iTunes does all
> that automatically!
>
> you just choose the software, music, movies you want and click "sync".
> done!
>
> very easy, but probably too easy for you to understand.
>
>
Doesn't being controlled by iTunes telling you what you can and can't
watch/listen to even bother you a little?
"Rashputin" <rashputin@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:ioj3k.2062$PZ6.597@bignews5.bellsouth.net:
> There's nothing like total control of the customer, especially if
> you
> can convince them of how much better off they are. Jobs must have
> finally gotten around to reading ideas from the automotive industry of
> the 50s. I wonder if he'll read where that led or if he'll just act
> shocked when it goes south? My guess is that he'll do what his
> self-destructive streak always leads him to do and just talk about how
> no one other than himself and a few others really understand the
> product.
>
> This is all funny as hell to see as the Applevolk are the first
> to spew
> hatred at MS for a far lower level of control over the customer.
>
>
That really bothers me that we have this whole, fairly large, group of
previously individual people who seem to accept total control of their
content that doesn't seem to bother them, at all!
I know we've been brainwashing them in public schools to accept total
control, but to meet it face-to-face like this is a terrible shock....
It's as if they're incapable of thinking for themselves, any more.
They won't have any trouble getting them to accept the Verichip injection,
convinced it's in their best interest.
> Yeah...who the heck wants SDK demos at a developer's conference? Oh,
> wait...
>
>
If developers were the target of that dog and pony show Jobs put on today,
he needs new developers. That show was made for 12 year old middle school
kids, trying to sell them a toy.
I'd like to think the coders were bored to tears, in spite of the cheering
over the most stupid, mundane items everyone else already has....like apps.
Larry wrote:
> Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in news:reply_in_group-
> 0D5B7A.17472409062008@news.supernews.com:
>
>
>>Yeah...who the heck wants SDK demos at a developer's conference? Oh,
>>wait...
>>
>>
>
>
> If developers were the target of that dog and pony show Jobs put on today,
> he needs new developers. That show was made for 12 year old middle school
> kids, trying to sell them a toy.
News <News@Group.name> wrote in
news7GdnRIaG6oISdDVnZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t:
>> If developers were the target of that dog and pony show Jobs put on
>> today, he needs new developers. That show was made for 12 year old
>> middle school kids, trying to sell them a toy.
>
>
> B-b-b-b-but, they ARE toys...
>
>
No they're not! Steve Jobs told BUSINESS today that they were a valuable
BUSINESS tool.....in spite of the fact you can't run your company's
software on them.....sort of....
In article <ioj3k.2062$PZ6.597@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
"Rashputin" <rashputin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ah, you don't deal with files on the hard drive, since iTunes does all
> > that automatically!
> >
> > you just choose the software, music, movies you want and click "sync".
> > done!
> >
> > very easy, but probably too easy for you to understand.
>
> There's nothing like total control of the customer, especially if you
> can convince them of how much better off they are. Jobs must have finally
> gotten around to reading ideas from the automotive industry of the 50s. I
> wonder if he'll read where that led or if he'll just act shocked when it
> goes south? My guess is that he'll do what his self-destructive streak
> always leads him to do and just talk about how no one other than himself and
> a few others really understand the product.
>
> This is all funny as hell to see as the Applevolk are the first to spew
> hatred at MS for a far lower level of control over the customer.
at least with the apple crowd, everyone knows there is no vender lock in
since everything is basically open source and based on open standards.
with windows and nokia, verizon, etc you are pretty much trapped, but
the apple world has always been based on anarchy and free thought. kinda
cool since they also happen to make the best pcs's and cell phones
nowadays.
so it's a win, win if you are smart enough to understand it.
"David Moyer" <meetme@world.com> wrote in message
news:meetme-CB7A93.00050410062008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
> In article <ioj3k.2062$PZ6.597@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
> "Rashputin" <rashputin@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > ah, you don't deal with files on the hard drive, since iTunes does all
>> > that automatically!
>> >
>> > you just choose the software, music, movies you want and click "sync".
>> > done!
>> >
>> > very easy, but probably too easy for you to understand.
>>
>> There's nothing like total control of the customer, especially if you
>> can convince them of how much better off they are. Jobs must have
>> finally
>> gotten around to reading ideas from the automotive industry of the 50s.
>> I
>> wonder if he'll read where that led or if he'll just act shocked when it
>> goes south? My guess is that he'll do what his self-destructive streak
>> always leads him to do and just talk about how no one other than himself
>> and
>> a few others really understand the product.
>>
>> This is all funny as hell to see as the Applevolk are the first to
>> spew
>> hatred at MS for a far lower level of control over the customer.
>
> at least with the apple crowd, everyone knows there is no vender lock in
> since everything is basically open source and based on open standards.
>
> with windows and nokia, verizon, etc you are pretty much trapped, but
> the apple world has always been based on anarchy and free thought. kinda
> cool since they also happen to make the best pcs's and cell phones
> nowadays.
>
> so it's a win, win if you are smart enough to understand it.
ROTFLMAO, yup, I understood that the damn things were turned to bricks,
"Open Source" and all, when someone did something that the big Apple in the
sky didn't like. Like I said, if you can talk the dolts into how good it is
for them and maybe even make them believe that it makes them special, you
can totally control the customer. I hope you have a warm, cozy, well taken
care of, feeling about your Apple, it makes me happy to know that heirs to
Madison Avenue in the fifties have arisen and are as skilled as ever.
David Moyer <meetme@world.com> wrote in news:meetme-D115CA.18100911062008
@news.qwest.net:
> In article <Xns9AB8B1014A096noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Are YOU going to give them a HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR for MobileMe?
>>
>> A HUNDRED DOLLARS?!!
>>
>> ARE YOU CRAZY?!!
>
> the price is more like $74, not $100!
>
> i've used "MobileMe" for 5 years and it's wonderful, best integrated
> service available on any platform.
>
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