Re: iPhone is major hit in the UK, DE! See Video!

Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:

Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.

One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!

Wow! Just Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ

The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.

Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.

In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
customers already waiting outside.

By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.

http://snipurl.com/1tgpe

---
Apple's handset pulls the crowds

Hordes of iPhone fans descended on Apple's flagship Regent Street store
in London yesterday hoping to be the first to get their hands on the
much-hyped mobile device.

The earliest had been queuing since 8am the previous morning, through
freezing rain. Many had been in line for at least 10 hours.

When the doors opened at 6.02pm fans ran in to the store between lines
of cheering staff. They emerged moments later, like Olympic athletes
crossing the finishing line, brandishing their boxed iPhones in triumph.

O 2 , the UK's largest mobile phone operator, which secured exclusive
rights to supply telephone contracts for the iPhone in the UK, said it
had ordered "hundreds of thousands" of iPhone handsets to meet demand
over Christmas and into the new year.

Carolina Milanesi, analyst at Gartner, a consultancy, said between
350,000 and 400,000 iPhones could be sold in the first two months.

http://snipurl.com/1tgpg

So now we have France to add to the mix on November 29th, and they'll be
selling fully unlocked iPhones, so a total of 650,000 iPhones in 2
months in Europe will far outweigh what Nokia can do within this class
of phone.

So Apple is off to a strong start, it will be the No. 1 phone revenue
wise / feature wise in Europe within 6 months.

You can buy one here:

http://www.iphone.com/

-

Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
>
> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!

Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
supposedly represent typical UK reaction...


>
> Wow! Just Wow!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
>
> The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
> scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
> this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
> poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
> the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
>
> Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.

Wow.

Steve

"Oxford" <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote in message
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> Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
> Poor <drivel snipped>

Will you fuck right off with your cross-posted shite.

FU's set to somewhere far more appropriate.

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Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> > Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
> > successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
> >
> > One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
> > the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!
>
> Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
> the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
> supposedly represent typical UK reaction...

nope, it was just this first one to come up.

here is Sky News's take...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGeYfP49s8

but if you remember, the big lines in the States weren't at AT&T stores
either, all the fun is at the 200 Apple stores.

we'll see plenty of videos and pictures as the days progress...

> > Wow! Just Wow!
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
> >
> > The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
> > scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
> > this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
> > poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
> > the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
> >
> > Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.
>
> Wow.
>
> Steve

Yep! Apple has another big hit on their hands... France will be the big
one in Europe, they are already the most Apple savvy, so having a high
end Apple phone could send them into a frenzy. Steve flew in yesterday
(Friday)

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2007-11-09/#7438

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Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:

> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> customers already waiting outside.

Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
available from 6.02pm?

The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/



BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
source code for the Finder. Thanks!

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:

> > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> > customers already waiting outside.
>
> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
> available from 6.02pm?

noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.

> The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
> and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/

sure, but except for some cold rain, it turned out to be europe's
biggest cellphone event ever.

> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
> source code for the Finder. Thanks!

become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.

http://developer.apple.com/

Oxford wrote:
> Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>>> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
>>> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
>>>
>>> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
>>> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!

>> Looks like you dug around and found the sole UK location (according to
>> the articles I read) with any sort of crowd and are using this to
>> supposedly represent typical UK reaction...
>
> nope, it was just this first one to come up.
>
> here is Sky News's take...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IGeYfP49s8
>
> but if you remember, the big lines in the States weren't at AT&T stores
> either, all the fun is at the 200 Apple stores.

That second link you posted, the Sky News story - it doesn't show ANY
people lined up anywhere. It's simply an advance story touting the
features of the phone.

So my statement stands, that you found the only place in London that
had any sort of line.

BTW, the AT&T store near me, in between two Apple stores (ony blocks
away) had hundreds of people waiting on launch day.

Steve

Oxford wrote:
> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
>>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
>>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
>>> customers already waiting outside.
>> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
>> available from 6.02pm?
>
> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.
>
>> The Register summed it up quite nicely, as "a tight-knit group of media
>> and PR people got caught in a feedback loop".
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/11/iphone_uk_flop/
>
> sure, but except for some cold rain, it turned out to be europe's
> biggest cellphone event ever.
>
>> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
>> source code for the Finder. Thanks!
>
> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
>
> http://developer.apple.com/

Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of shit).

Steve

Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:

> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
> > > In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> > > including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> > > customers already waiting outside.
> >
> > Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
> > available from 6.02pm?
>
> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.

Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.


> > BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
> > source code for the Finder. Thanks!
>
> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
>
> http://developer.apple.com/

I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.

So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

Peter Hayes wrote:
> Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:
>
>> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>>
>>>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
>>>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
>>>> customers already waiting outside.
>>> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
>>> available from 6.02pm?
>> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.
>
> Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.

I thought 6:02pm was for the UK launch only. Get it...6:02...."O2" is
the carrier.

In Germany it is T-Mobile, so the "02" part of it makes no sense.



>>> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
>>> source code for the Finder. Thanks!
>> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
>>
>> http://developer.apple.com/
>
> I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.
>
> So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?

Don't bother, he'll just tell you he told you where to get it
("developer.apple.com") and you should grow up and learn how to find
things. On other words, he was just blowing smoke out of his ass.

Steve

Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Peter Hayes wrote:
> > Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:
> >
> >> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
> >>
> >>>> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> >>>> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> >>>> customers already waiting outside.
> >>> Why would a Cologne store open "just after midnight" when the phone was
> >>> available from 6.02pm?
> >> noticed that too, not sure since the plan was 6:02pm for everyone.
> >
> > Could you post the URL you got the story from? That'll help clear it up.
>
> I thought 6:02pm was for the UK launch only. Get it...6:02...."O2" is
> the carrier.

Yes, good one, but it could be 00:02 - "just after midnight"...

> In Germany it is T-Mobile, so the "02" part of it makes no sense.

One of Oxford's many alter egos, Gene Jones, told the planet that "the
world's most advanced cell phone hits the shores (sic) on Friday at
6:02pm within these first 2 countries." [Germany and the UK].

Message-ID: <jasin-57411F.14013908112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>

So unless Oxford comes up with a URL I'll assume the Cologne tale is
just that, a work of fiction, and he forgot the launch was at 6.02pm.

> >>> BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me where I can download the
> >>> source code for the Finder. Thanks!
> >> become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
> >>
> >> http://developer.apple.com/
> >
> > I have, years ago, and there's no access to the Finder source.
> >
> > So I ask again, where I can download the source code for the Finder?
>
> Don't bother, he'll just tell you he told you where to get it
> ("developer.apple.com") and you should grow up and learn how to find
> things. On other words, he was just blowing smoke out of his ass.

Just as I thought...

--

Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

"Oxford" <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesosx-6972E3.01283011112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
> Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
>
> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!
>
> Wow! Just Wow!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
>
> The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
> scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
> this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
> poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
> the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
>
> Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.
>
> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> customers already waiting outside.
>
> By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
> than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1tgpe
>
> ---
> Apple's handset pulls the crowds
>
> Hordes of iPhone fans descended on Apple's flagship Regent Street store
> in London yesterday hoping to be the first to get their hands on the
> much-hyped mobile device.
>
> The earliest had been queuing since 8am the previous morning, through
> freezing rain. Many had been in line for at least 10 hours.
>
> When the doors opened at 6.02pm fans ran in to the store between lines
> of cheering staff. They emerged moments later, like Olympic athletes
> crossing the finishing line, brandishing their boxed iPhones in triumph.
>
> O 2 , the UK's largest mobile phone operator, which secured exclusive
> rights to supply telephone contracts for the iPhone in the UK, said it
> had ordered "hundreds of thousands" of iPhone handsets to meet demand
> over Christmas and into the new year.
>
> Carolina Milanesi, analyst at Gartner, a consultancy, said between
> 350,000 and 400,000 iPhones could be sold in the first two months.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1tgpg
>
> So now we have France to add to the mix on November 29th, and they'll be
> selling fully unlocked iPhones, so a total of 650,000 iPhones in 2
> months in Europe will far outweigh what Nokia can do within this class
> of phone.
>
> So Apple is off to a strong start, it will be the No. 1 phone revenue
> wise / feature wise in Europe within 6 months.
>
> You can buy one here:
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
>

You say "much less buy their
poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones"

OK, lets have a look at the features of the N95 8GB v iPhone

N95 8GB
iPhone
User Replacable Battery Yes No
3G Yes
No
HSDPA Yes
No
Camera 5MP
2MP (I think)
Video Recorder Yes No
GPS Yes
No


Need I go on? I do however accept that the iPhone has the best user
interface nut I don't think it will take Nokia and Symbian long to address
that.

Perhaps you can explain what other unique features the iPhone has?

Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote in news:4736c352$0
$19774$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in
Germany.
>

How many phones did Nokia sell in Germany on that day?

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote in news:4736e512$0
$19804$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> BTW, the AT&T store near me, in between two Apple stores (ony
blocks
> away) had hundreds of people waiting on launch day.
>
>

The ATT store across from Northwoods Mall in the largest shopping
district in Charleston, SC, an hour after opening was empty when
I got there to play with it and ask embarrassing questions about
what software it would run.

There was never a line, outside, where the ropes were supposed to
direct the screaming fans into the queue, according to the
employees of the sports store next door. 3 or 4 people came up
just before the doors opened.

If 200 people line up in front of ATT in NYC, what % is that of
the metro NYC population of millions? It looks like a lot on the
webcam, but, by NYC standards, it was miniscule.

Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

"John Mason" <shjasa@asjaksj.com> wrote:

> OK, lets have a look at the features of the N95 8GB v iPhone
>
> N95 iPhone
> User Replacable Battery Yes Yes
> 8GB Yes Yes
> HSDPA Yes No
> Camera 5MP 2MP (Better Lens)
> Video Recorder Yes No
> GPS Yes No
> 802.11g Yes Yes
> Bluetooth Yes Yes
>
> Need I go on? I do however accept that the iPhone has the best user
> interface nut I don't think it will take Nokia and Symbian long to address
> that.

Yes, let's go on...

N95 iPhone
Multi-Touch Screen No Yes
iPod No Yes
Full Web Browser No Yes
Screen Size 2.6 3.5in
Screen Rez 153 160ppi
Battery Life (Talk Time 4HR 8HR
Price $599 $399

> Perhaps you can explain what other unique features the iPhone has?

There are not enough bytes on the planet to go into that much detail.
But the iPhone is far more technically advanced than the N95. The iPhone
runs pure Unix, the N95 is stuck with an ancient Symbian OS. The iPhone
has a much better touch screen, has multi-touch which takes the N95 out
of the running right there for savvy tech people...

Syncing is much more developed on the iPhone. It has a true iPod, not a
cheap MP3 player. A true FULL Screen Browser, not a baby browser like
the N95. Far better interface, the N95 seems clunky and poorly thought
out, not so with the iPhone. Super simple, super powerful. FULL email,
not baby email like on the N95.

Far better resell value in 2-5 years, nearly double since it's a better
designed, and Apple quality level product. The N95 will be a throwaway
in 3-5 years time. The iPhone will still be worth $200-$250 in the
general market.

On and on. The N95 is a fool's choice, (see Mark Crispin) it's just not
a product a serious tech person would ever consider, the specs just
don't measure up to the iPhone.

-

Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:

> > become a developer, the you have access to pretty much anything.
> >
> > http://developer.apple.com/
>
> But but but - you said OS X was open source! Since when do you have
> to "become a developer" to download open source?

It is... you can download it here:

Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.

* x86 ISO image (315 M

http://www.opensource.apple.com/proj...0/release.html

Apple's other projects can be downloaded as well...

Darwin
Streaming Server
CDSA
CUPS
Kerberos
Open Directory
OpenPlay
Bonjour
WebCore
X11
HeaderDoc

> Oxford caught with his pants down - again!

No, I just caught you being out of touch with reality.

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-11-11, Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:

> CUPS
> Kerberos
> X11

Those aren't Apple projects, those are longstanding open-source projects
Apple ported to OSX.

> Open Directory

I think this one is too, but not sure.




--
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Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of shit).

You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
end consistent for everyone.

If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
this access key.

Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.

Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.

You're welcome.

-

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> How many phones did Nokia sell in Germany on that day?

You mean how many N95's did they sell. All we know is far less than
2,300. Nokia is toast at the high end. Then when Apple comes online with
all their smaller phones, Nokia goes bye bye...

"Oxford" <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> stated in post
colalovesosx-A9667B.09431511112007@m...inet.qwest.net on 11/11/07
9:43 AM:

> Steve de Mena <steven@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
>> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
>> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
>> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of shit).
>
> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
> up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
> end consistent for everyone.
>
> If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
> this access key.

Or just replace it with PathFinder or the like.
>
> Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
> Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.
>
> Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> -



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walnut paneling and an all leather interior.

In news:colalovesosx-6972E3.01283011112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> typed:
> Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:
>
> Poor Mark has to really dig around to find bad news on the highly
> successful launch of iPhone in the UK, and Germany.
>
> One quick view of this YouTube Video shows the incredible excitement of
> the first modern cellphone to be introduced in Europe in over 2 decades!
>
> Wow! Just Wow!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3aPhe8QYmQ
>
> The press is covering all the big news quite well, only the people
> scared of the iPhone seem to be upset. Nokia is extremely worried by
> this event, they can't get anyone to stand in line, much less buy their
> poorly featured, heavy, very expensive cell phones. Apple has them by
> the balls and they can't do a thing about it at this point in the game.
>
> Typical news is positive, over 10,000 sold in the first day in Germany.
>
> In Germany, the phone went on sale at more than 700 T-Mobile shops,
> including one in Cologne that opened just after midnight with some 350
> customers already waiting outside.
>
> By 5 p.m., Deutsche Telekom AG, which owns T-Mobile, said it sold more
> than 10,000 iPhones in Germany through its shops and online.
>
<<<SNIP>>>


700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> The ATT store across from Northwoods Mall in the largest shopping
> district in Charleston, SC, an hour after opening was empty when
> I got there to play with it and ask embarrassing questions about
> what software it would run.
>
> There was never a line, outside, where the ropes were supposed to
> direct the screaming fans into the queue, according to the
> employees of the sports store next door. 3 or 4 people came up
> just before the doors opened.

That was because AT&T had to restrict purchases to 1 iPhone, at the
Apple Stores you could buy 2.

Plus you are in NC, a technological backwater.

> If 200 people line up in front of ATT in NYC, what % is that of
> the metro NYC population of millions? It looks like a lot on the
> webcam, but, by NYC standards, it was miniscule.

Ah, 4,000 people lined up for the iPhone in NYC at 1 Apple Store alone.

AT&T is just a phone store, no need to go there when you can get a
better experience at a real Apple Store.

Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:

> > Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.
> >
> > * x86 ISO image (315 M
>
> But that's just Darwin - and the already existing open source stuff that
> Apple has adopted.
>
> The question is - where is the FInder source? QuickTime? The Dock?
> Until you can answer that, you are just blowing smoke - again.
>
> OS X is NOT open source. It contains some open source components (so
> does Windows), but OS X is NOT open source.

And I never said it was. It's 80% more opensource than Windows, and sure
20% less open than Linux. But considering it's a quite a bit better OS
than Linux or Windows, it's a fair compromise.

OSX is built on pure, established standards like no other OS built
today, so opensource advocates love it since you don't get locked in
like you do with Windows... and it's a fully compliant UNIX, unlike
Linux.

Learn Bob, Learn...

http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html

Open at the Source

http://www.apple.com/opensource/

Downloads direct from Apple...

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_open_source/

Enjoy!

Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> wrote:

> Bob Campbell <bob@bob.bob> wrote:
>
> > > Darwin 6.0.2 is available as a bootable ISO CD image.
> > >
> > > * x86 ISO image (315 M
> >
> > But that's just Darwin - and the already existing open source stuff that
> > Apple has adopted.
> >
> > The question is - where is the FInder source? QuickTime? The Dock?
> > Until you can answer that, you are just blowing smoke - again.
> >
> > OS X is NOT open source. It contains some open source components (so
> > does Windows), but OS X is NOT open source.
>
> And I never said it was.

Oh, but you did...

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Oxford> "At least OSX works on Linux or Apple Hardware and is fully
opensource."

Game, set and match, methinks...

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Immunity is better than innoculation.

Peter

"IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:

> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol

sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
the N95.

please try and keep up IMHO.

In news:colalovesosx-147EE9.10160511112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> typed:
> "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
>> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol
>
> sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
> the N95.
>
> please try and keep up IMHO.

10 more iPhones sold than Nokia sold of the N95. Now that is impressive.
lol

On Nov 11, 11:43 am, Oxford <colaloves...@verysmart.com> wrote:
> Steve de Mena <ste...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
> > with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
> > to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
> > solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of shit).
>
> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
> up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
> end consistent for everyone.

WTF? Finder's not open-source because it wants people to pay for
Finder, not because it would somehow degrade if made open-source (it
wouldn't).

> If you want to change the Finder any way you like, you just need to know
> this access key.
>
> Go into System/Library/CoreServices/Finder - then hold down the Ctrl
> Key, click and hold on the Finder Icon... choose Show Package Contents.
>
> Then go into "Contents" and you have full access to the Finder.
>
> You're welcome.

You fucking jackass. Opening the folder that contains Finder's
executables and resources isn't the same as getting to its source
code. How dare you imply it's even remotely similar.

On Nov 11, 12:16 pm, Oxford <colaloves...@verysmart.com> wrote:
> "IMHO IIRC" <NOS...@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> > 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
> > about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol
>
> sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
> the N95.
>
> please try and keep up IMHO.


LOL! please try and stop being a fucking retard IMHO. ;-)

Way to run from that other thread about PCI slots, BTW.

"Jesus" <rustybucket666@gmail.com> stated in post
1194802249.476012.139680@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om on 11/11/07 10:30 AM:

> On Nov 11, 11:43 am, Oxford <colaloves...@verysmart.com> wrote:
>> Steve de Mena <ste...@stevedemena.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, as if the "Finder" source code is there. You can download XCode
>>> with a bunch of samples, but now the Finder. or can you post the URL
>>> to the Finder source code? No, you'll tell me how I need to learn to
>>> solve problems myself (to hide the fact you are full of shit).
>>
>> You wouldn't want the Finder to be fully opensource if you did, you end
>> up with the mess that is called Linux. Apple was smart to keep the front
>> end consistent for everyone.
>
> WTF? Finder's not open-source because it wants people to pay for
> Finder, not because it would somehow degrade if made open-source (it
> wouldn't).

Well, if it were open source you would end up with a number of different
versions - most not designed by interface experts. Some things would be
improved (FTP for example) but it would no longer be a general use tool and
that is *very* important for Apple. It would make OS X gain many of the
weaknesses and few of the advantages of Linux.


--
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

IMHO IIRC <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:

> In news:colalovesosx-147EE9.10160511112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net,
> Oxford <colalovesosx@verysmart.com> typed:
> > "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> >
> >> 700 T-Mobile shops selling 10,000 iPhones (which includes online) is only
> >> about 14 at each T-Mobile shop. lol
> >
> > sure, but that's about 10 more in the same few hours than Nokia sold of
> > the N95.
> >
> > please try and keep up IMHO.
>
> 10 more iPhones sold than Nokia sold of the N95. Now that is impressive.
> lol

Especially given that the iPhone is the bright shiny new thing on the
block backed by massive viral marketing, and the N95 has been around for
donkeys.

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Peter