Vodafone TERRIFIED of iPhone - Seeks Restraining Order!

#1 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 11:00 PM

Old School Vodafone is so upset with the massive popularity of the
iPhone in Germany they have gone to court to try and block their own
downfall!

Wow!

We all knew this would happen sooner or later, but Germany's poorly
managed Vodafone unit has gone to court to stop Cell Phone advancements
in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,
so are seeking court relief before they go under.

This will be good for everyone!

DUESSELDORF - The German unit of Vodafone Group PLC (VOD) has obtained a
restraining order against Deutsche Telekom AG's (DT) T-Mobile unit
prohibiting the German telecommunications giant from selling Apple
Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone in Germany.

The restraining order was issued by a regional court in Hamburg Monday,
a Vodafone Deutschland spokesman told Dow Jones Newswires.

Vodafone is questioning Deutsche Telekom's iPhone sales practices, the
spokesman said. Deutsche Telekom is marketing the iPhone exclusively in
Germany.

Specifically, Vodafone is questioning the iPhone's exclusive use in
T-Mobile's network and the use of the device being limited to certain
fees within T- Mobile's subscription offerings.

Vodafone isn't generally opposed to T-Mobile's exclusivity contract with
Apple, but wants to have these new sales practices examined, the
spokesman said. The restraining order doesn't aim at a total sales stop,
he added.

A spokesman for T-Mobile Monday confirmed the restraining order has been
issued, adding that the company is examining the issue. So far, it is
too early to comment on possible consequences for the company, he said.

(for the clueless that don't understand I most always post a link)

http://snipurl.com/1twwa

-

Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other Cell
Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the handset
market, Apple is just too experienced in building high quality small
devices...

WE ALL know that. Learn a better way, don't try and fight the old guard.
Move up in the world!

http://www.iphone.com/

-

#2 (**permalink**) 11-19-2007, 11:17 PM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

>
> -
>
> Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other Cell
> Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the handset
> market,

Yo stupid- Apple is not a cell carrier.

>

#3 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 12:57 AM

Moron Oxford.....

He just doesn't get it, I guess.

Clue: his editorializing is what negates everything he says.
Fanatical fanboy fantasy - decidedly delusional.

It's one thing to post speculation. Then, to top it off, he posts the
most inane and grossly inaccurate 'predictions' (I use the term in jest).

He MAY have gotten by (now and in the past) with just posting
his (trolling) 'info'... (again, using the term loosely). It's the wild,
crazy speculation - always done in the most obnoxious tone possible ,
that makes ALL he posts not only suspect - but downright laughable.

Oxford - rapidly becoming the poster boy of Usenet fanboy lunacy.

Last sentence below... "WE" - you mean YOU (and only you)

"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
news:linuxlovesosx-874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
> Old School Vodafone is so upset with the massive popularity of the
> iPhone in Germany they have gone to court to try and block their own
> downfall!
>
> Wow!
>
> We all knew this would happen sooner or later, but Germany's poorly
> managed Vodafone unit has gone to court to stop Cell Phone advancements
> in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,
> so are seeking court relief before they go under.
>
> This will be good for everyone!
>
> DUESSELDORF - The German unit of Vodafone Group PLC (VOD) has obtained a
> restraining order against Deutsche Telekom AG's (DT) T-Mobile unit
> prohibiting the German telecommunications giant from selling Apple
> Inc.'s (AAPL) iPhone in Germany.
>
> The restraining order was issued by a regional court in Hamburg Monday,
> a Vodafone Deutschland spokesman told Dow Jones Newswires.
>
> Vodafone is questioning Deutsche Telekom's iPhone sales practices, the
> spokesman said. Deutsche Telekom is marketing the iPhone exclusively in
> Germany.
>
> Specifically, Vodafone is questioning the iPhone's exclusive use in
> T-Mobile's network and the use of the device being limited to certain
> fees within T- Mobile's subscription offerings.
>
> Vodafone isn't generally opposed to T-Mobile's exclusivity contract with
> Apple, but wants to have these new sales practices examined, the
> spokesman said. The restraining order doesn't aim at a total sales stop,
> he added.
>
> A spokesman for T-Mobile Monday confirmed the restraining order has been
> issued, adding that the company is examining the issue. So far, it is
> too early to comment on possible consequences for the company, he said.
>
> (for the clueless that don't understand I most always post a link)
>
> http://snipurl.com/1twwa
>
> -
>
> Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other Cell
> Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the handset
> market, Apple is just too experienced in building high quality small
> devices...
>
> WE ALL know that. Learn a better way, don't try and fight the old guard.
> Move up in the world!
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
> -
>

#4 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:08 AM

DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:

> >> Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other Cell
> >> Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the handset
> >> market,
> >
> >
> > Yo stupid- Apple is not a cell carrier.

poor cozmic, doesn't even understand that "who wins the iphone contract"
WINS the entire handset market going forward.

SJ is the now KING maker of the cell industry...

vodafone, is freaking out since they lost the apple contract, so they
are crying out... into court... verizon is next to cry wolf, just watch.

apple is waaaaay tooo powerful for simple little cell providers like
verizon to complain. they are dead in the water unless they give in and
accept apple's rules. they failed once to win the iphone contract.

SJ will crush them until they do.

-

#5 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:33 AM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-
03.inet.qwest.net:

> http://snipurl.com/1twwa
>

http://tinyurl.com/yu4w9e

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

#6 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:39 AM

Larry wrote:
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
> news:linuxlovesosx-874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-
> 03.inet.qwest.net:
>
>> http://snipurl.com/1twwa
>>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yu4w9e
>
> Larry
Yea i saw that a while ago. Best. Video. EVAR!

#7 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:49 AM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-0305F8.19081619112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> >> Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other
>> >> Cell Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the
>> >> handset market,
>> >
>> >
>> > Yo stupid- Apple is not a cell carrier.
>
> poor cozmic, doesn't even understand that "who wins the iphone
> contract" WINS the entire handset market going forward.

Then explain why Verizon is now once again signing up more customers than
AT&T.

>
> SJ is the now KING maker of the cell industry...

SJ will be nothing but an afterthought in the cell industry by 2015.

>
> vodafone, is freaking out since they lost the apple contract, so they
> are crying out... into court... verizon is next to cry wolf, just
> watch.

Vodafone is questioning the sales practices, not the phone, stupid. Laws
in Europe are much different than they are here.

And why would Verizon cry wolf when they are once again signing up more new
customers than AT&T?

#8 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:54 AM

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fhthd5$lqi$2
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Yea i saw that a while ago. Best. Video. EVAR!
>
>

They're a lot cheaper, now, than when he wasted $600 on that one...
(c;

Larry
--
Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;

#9 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 01:59 AM

"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
news:linuxlovesosx-0305F8.19081619112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>
> poor cozmic, doesn't even understand that "who wins the iphone contract"
> WINS the entire handset market going forward.
>
> SJ is the now KING maker of the cell industry...
>
> vodafone, is freaking out since they lost the apple contract, so they
> are crying out... into court... verizon is next to cry wolf, just watch.
>
> apple is waaaaay tooo powerful for simple little cell providers like
> verizon to complain. they are dead in the water unless they give in and
> accept apple's rules. they failed once to win the iphone contract.
>
> SJ will crush them until they do.
>
> -

Poor Oxford - once an idiot - always an idiot.

More inane predictions - based on ZERO fact.

#10 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:03 AM

Oxford wrote:

> SJ will crush them until they do.
>

Crush what?

<http://snipurl.com/1qf9u>

#11 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:11 AM

Oxford wrote:
> Old School Vodafone is so upset with the massive popularity of the
> iPhone in Germany they have gone to court to try and block their own
> downfall!
>
> Wow!

WOW...Talk about reading between the lines and inserting your own
unfounded observations! Or are they someone else's observations and you
forgot to quote them?

> We all knew this would happen sooner or later, but Germany's poorly
> managed Vodafone unit has gone to court to stop Cell Phone advancements
> They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,

You know this for a fact? Citation please.

Who is we? Your private fanboi club?

[quoted from article]
> Vodafone is questioning Deutsche Telekom's iPhone sales practices

Ummm...the suit is about business practices. English must be your second
reading language.

#12 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:15 AM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> Old School Vodafone is so upset with the massive popularity of the
> iPhone in Germany they have gone to court to try and block their own
> downfall!
>
> Wow!
>
> We all knew this would happen sooner or later, but Germany's poorly
> managed Vodafone unit has gone to court to stop Cell Phone advancements

Cell phone advancements? Is T-Mobile selling a real phone? I thought this
was abvout their sales practices for the iPhone? The iPhone is old
technology in the cellular world, except for the interface.

> in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,
> so are seeking court relief before they go under.

Go under? Aren't they the largest cell company on the planet?

#13 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:17 AM

DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:Sfs0j.46165$eY.37586
@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net:

>
> Ummm...the suit is about business practices. English must be your second
> reading language.

No- sadly enough, Oxturd can barely handle a primary language. His parents
would kick him out of the basement forever if he tried to learn a second
one. After all, they have limits on how much stupidity they can tolerate.

#14 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:49 AM

CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:

> > in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,
> > so are seeking court relief before they go under.
>
> Go under? Aren't they the largest cell company on the planet?

yes, thanks for proving my point. Vodafone is financially weak and
likely can't survive the advancements of the iPhone in their
non-competitive markets.

SJ tends to calls these firms "squishy".

Now you know.

-

#15 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 02:51 AM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-21C5F7.20491419112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>
>> > in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's
>> > pressure, so are seeking court relief before they go under.
>>
>> Go under? Aren't they the largest cell company on the planet?
>
> yes, thanks for proving my point. Vodafone is financially weak and
> likely can't survive the advancements of the iPhone in their
> non-competitive markets.

Cite?

>
> SJ tends to calls these firms "squishy".

I thought that's how he described your attempts to have his baby.

>
> Now you know.
>
That would make one of us knowing something.

#16 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:09 AM

In article
<linuxlovesosx-21C5F7.20491419112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> Yes, thanks for proving my point. Vodafone is financially weak and
> likely can't survive the advancements of the iPhone in their
> non-competitive markets.
>
> Steve Jobs tends to calls these firms "squishy".
>
> Now you know.

On a side note, that must mean that Windoze users and Wintrolls are
squishy for not educating themselves on OS alternatives and kowtowing to
Ballmer.

--
Posted from my 1999 Apple G4 Sawtooth
A 450 MHz G4 running OS X 10.4.8

#17 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:27 AM

DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:

> Ummm...the suit is about business practices.

yes, but only under the thin guise of... FUCK! --- the iPhone is selling
far better than we expected. It's eating our business alive, let's sue!

#18 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:33 AM

Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in news:linuxlovesosx-
20F472.21273319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> Ummm...the suit is about business practices.
>
> yes, but only under the thin guise of... FUCK! --- the iPhone is selling
> far better than we expected. It's eating our business alive, let's sue!
>

Funny- I don't see mention of that ANYWHERE but out of your disabled brain.

#19 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:35 AM

Oxford wrote:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> Ummm...the suit is about business practices.
>
> yes, but only under the thin guise of... FUCK! --- the iPhone is selling
> far better than we expected. It's eating our business alive, let's sue!
Its cause of the hype.

Next year it will be a long forgotten memory, like AppleTV

#20 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:55 AM

Jon wrote:
> AppleTV

Is THAT still around??

#21 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:19 AM

"DTC" <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message
news:FMt0j.23869$JD.887@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net ...
> Jon wrote:
>> AppleTV
>
> Is THAT still around??

There are pallets of dusty Apple TV's for like $99 dollars at Costco. LOL

#22 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 11:27 AM

MuahMan wrote:
>
> "DTC" <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message
> news:FMt0j.23869$JD.887@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net ...
>> Jon wrote:
>>> AppleTV
>>
>> Is THAT still around??
>
> There are pallets of dusty Apple TV's for like $99 dollars at Costco. LOL
Yep, AppleTV was epic failure by Apple.

#23 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 12:27 PM

"Jon" <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in message
news:fhujod$uj1$3@registered.motzarella.org...
> MuahMan wrote:
>>
>> "DTC" <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in message
>> news:FMt0j.23869$JD.887@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> AppleTV
>>>
>>> Is THAT still around??
>>
>> There are pallets of dusty Apple TV's for like $99 dollars at Costco. LOL
> Yep, AppleTV was epic failure by Apple.

It simply can't be. Oxtard said it was poised to take over the world and put
all the Cable companies out of business by 2010.

#24 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:01 PM

In article
<linuxlovesosx-874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> Gosh people! just get an iPhone and get on with life... no other Cell
> Carrier is going to be able to compete against Apple in the handset
> market, Apple is just too experienced in building high quality small
> devices...
You're an idiot.
Apple is not more experienced than all companies at building small
devices, nor are they best in every way.
Cell _carriers_ are not competing against Apple, you fool. The carriers
are competing against other carriers, and Apple makes a handset.

> WE ALL know that. Learn a better way, don't try and fight the old guard.
Apple is not the 'old guard' you moron.
But either way, the sentiment is STUPID. It is always important to
fight the old guard when the old guard is serving you badly or corrupt.

> Move up in the world!
Buying an iPhone does not move you up in the world.
Fighting the 'old guard' does not move you up in the world.
Being a consumer of a popular device does not move you up in the world.

And, note this --

dumping hugely inappropriate messages all over every group you care to
infect, full of lies and misleading facts, full of broad claims and
stupidity, certainly does NOT move Oxford up in the world!

#25 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 07:02 PM

"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
news:linuxlovesosx-874348.17000319112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
> Old School Vodafone is so upset with the massive popularity of the
> iPhone in Germany they have gone to court to try and block their own
> downfall!
>
> Wow!
>
> We all knew this would happen sooner or later, but Germany's poorly
> managed Vodafone unit has gone to court to stop Cell Phone advancements
> in the the country of Germany. They can't stand the iPhone's pressure,
> so are seeking court relief before they go under.
>
> This will be good for everyone!
>

Here is the REAL facts...

Vodafone did not ask the court to stop T-Mobile from selling the iPhone,
Gordon said.
Vodafone would like to see a court eventually mandate that T-Mobile sell an
unlocked
version of the iPhone for the same or less as today's locked version, he
said.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...one_sales.html

I don't think I've ever seen someone (Oxford) more consistently full of
shit.

#26 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 07:35 PM

"Ness-Net" <richard.no@more.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:

> Here is the REAL facts...
>
> Vodafone did not ask the court to stop T-Mobile from selling the iPhone,
> Gordon said.
> Vodafone would like to see a court eventually mandate that T-Mobile sell an
> unlocked
> version of the iPhone for the same or less as today's locked version, he
> said.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...otests_tmobile
> _iphone_sales.html
>
> I don't think I've ever seen someone (Oxford) more consistently full of
> shit.

Yes, but from a LEGAL perspective Vodafone is TERRIFIED of losing
customers to the iPhone, so they are trying to open up holes so they can
obtain revenue from the iPhone without committing to the future.

No handset maker can now compete in the Cell Market against the iPhone,
that's a pure fact. Apple has too many patents on the future, so
everyone must either bow down to Apple or go out of business.

These are the facts... cell carriers and handset makers must face.

Do a great deal with Apple to carry the iPhone, or disappear.

Those are the only 2 choices for the next several decades.

-

#27 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 07:56 PM

In article
<linuxlovesosx-2D1408.13355220112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:

> No handset maker can now compete in the Cell Market against the iPhone,
> that's a pure fact.

Nonsense.

Different people use cell phones for different purposes; quite a lot of
people use them simply as phones. For that purpose something
considerably smaller, lighter cheaper and simpler makes a lot more sense
than the iPhone.

Some people use them to connect to the internet. Whatever you may think
is going to happen, at present open WiFi networks are not available in
most places, at least in my experience. Under those circumstances, a 3G
phone provides a better connection, especially for tethering, than the
iPhone.

I could go on. The iPhone is a very pretty piece of technology, and for
some users probably the best phone available, but not for all, probably
not for most.

> Apple has too many patents on the future, so
> everyone must either bow down to Apple or go out of business.

This is the sort of comment--a statement apparently made because it lets
you feel good about posturing rather than because there is any reason to
think it is true--that gives me some sympathy with the posters who spend
their time exchanging insults with you instead of actually posting about
something interesting.

--
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/ http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/
Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
Published by Baen, in bookstores now

#28 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 08:02 PM

Oxford wrote:

> Those are the only 2 choices for the next several decades.

Fish or cut bait, Oxie-moron.

When did you naked short the wireless telcos and handset makers?

#29 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 08:15 PM

David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:

> I could go on. The iPhone is a very pretty piece of technology, and for
> some users probably the best phone available, but not for all, probably
> not for most.
>
> > Apple has too many patents on the future, so
> > everyone must either bow down to Apple or go out of business.
>
> This is the sort of comment--a statement apparently made because it lets
> you feel good about posturing rather than because there is any reason to
> think it is true--that gives me some sympathy with the posters who spend
> their time exchanging insults with you instead of actually posting about
> something interesting.

great, but you are missing the point that the current iPhone is just the
slightest tip of the product iceberg.

Apple has 20-30 designs on their 3D imager right now and is fine tuning
them as we speak to match the larger Cell Market. You'll see 8 to 12 new
models of iPhones within 36 months.

That's just how Apple operates... always bettering themselves since
there is no outside competition.

So, don't focus on the great first iPhone and say it's the last.

Simply look at the Monochrome 5GB iPod sold at $399 in 2001, then look
at the iPod Nano 8GB sold today in Walmarts across the world.

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/

Apple has only opened up 7 outlets for the iPhone, and it's been a
massive success. 90x times more popular than the original iPod!

The iPod now sells at upwards of 47,000 locations...

The iPhone will follow the same successful path.

-

#30 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 09:28 PM

"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
news:linuxlovesosx-2D1408.13355220112007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net...
>
> Yes, but from a LEGAL perspective Vodafone is TERRIFIED of losing
> customers to the iPhone, so they are trying to open up holes so they can
> obtain revenue from the iPhone without committing to the future.
>
> No handset maker can now compete in the Cell Market against the iPhone,
> that's a pure fact. Apple has too many patents on the future, so
> everyone must either bow down to Apple or go out of business.
>
> These are the facts... cell carriers and handset makers must face.
>
> Do a great deal with Apple to carry the iPhone, or disappear.
>
> Those are the only 2 choices for the next several decades.
>
> -
>

Nope, sorry. Not even a moderately good attempt at spin.

Wrong on ALL counts. Sorry fanatic fanboy.

Since Oxford's pathetic spin is ALL complete CRAP - no point
in my refuting it line by line.

Just more of the same, lame fiction.