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Old 05-11-2009, 08:38 PM
jl
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Default Cellphone Comany Shill

On May 11, 3:24 pm, Paul Miner <pmi...@elrancho.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT), jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >But hey, folks, I'm uneducated and, as THE bob says, a leech. So
> >don't pay any attention to me.

>
> Consider it done.
>
> --
> Paul Miner


Those shills just swarm. $100 to a nickel says this one has been
gutted in court.

Unauthorized 3rd Party Billings By Sprint?

On May 9, 10:59 am, The Bob <nos...@bob.com> wrote:


> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> amazed us all with the following innews:f94f972e-9014-429e-be4d-96a8692a8ddc@t11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:



I just did a little googling with "sprint sued," "verizon wireless
sued," AT&T mobile" sued," and so on.

For the last several years a pandemic of fraudulent practices by the
wireless companies has raged across the USA. The wireless
telecommunications companies illegally withhold earned commissions
from their salespeople, they "cram" customers' statements with false
charges and unauthorized third-party billings, they collect
unauthorized charges and taxes "by mistake," they impose illegal
early
termination fees, they "lock" phones so they can't be used with other
cellphone companies, and they perpetrate false and fraudulent
advertising.


But hey, folks, I'm uneducated and, as THE bob says, a leech. So
don't pay any attention to me. All those hundreds and hundreds of
hits on all those class action lawsuits settled in the millions of
dollars in favor of their victims by Sprint, AT&T, and VZW are just
figments of Google's imagination.


________________________________


The judge, in a tentative ruling, said Sprint will have to pay 18
million dollars to customers who sued over the ["early termination"]
fees and credit nearly 55 million dollars to those who were charged
but did not pay the fees. The same judge is considering other
lawsuits
against telecommunications companies over their so-called early
termination fees, which can range from $150 to $225.


This month Verizon Wireless agreed to pay 21 million dollars to
settle
an identical lawsuit just as trial was starting. The ruling is at the
center of a debate in other state courthouses and in Washington over
the fairness of the fees. The Federal Communications Commission is
being lobbied over how to handle the fees. Telecommunications
companies have asked the FCC to regulate the fees and shield wireless
companies from class action lawsuits in state courts, such as the one
Sprint is poised to lose.


---- figment of the imagination from:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/g...x?storyid=1150...

Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived.
This message will be removed from Groups in 6 days (May 18, 3:24
pm). I. e., which means the shill is sly and crafty-- and a coward.


On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT), jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:


>But hey, folks, I'm uneducated and, as THE bob says, a leech. So
>don't pay any attention to me.



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Old 05-12-2009, 10:39 PM
John Blutarsky
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Default Re: Cellphone Comany Shill

jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> amazed us all with the following in
news:4e749f56-50e5-4639-a753-2922326482af@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com:


>
> This month Verizon Wireless agreed to pay 21 million dollars to
> settle
> an identical lawsuit just as trial was starting. The ruling is at the
> center of a debate in other state courthouses and in Washington over
> the fairness of the fees. The Federal Communications Commission is
> being lobbied over how to handle the fees. Telecommunications
> companies have asked the FCC to regulate the fees and shield wireless
> companies from class action lawsuits in state courts, such as the one
> Sprint is poised to lose.
>
>


Wow- this could signal the end of subsidized phone pricing in the US.
Wonder how folks are going to handle having to pay full pop for their
phones down the road?

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Old 05-13-2009, 01:40 AM
Joel Koltner
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Default Re: Cellphone Comany Shill

"John Blutarsky" <bluto@ah.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C099F380BB68Bluto@85.214.105.209...
> Wow- this could signal the end of subsidized phone pricing in the US.
> Wonder how folks are going to handle having to pay full pop for their
> phones down the road?


After an initial period where they'll be most annoyed, I suspect over all
they're be much happy.

CDMA carriers might have the most to lose, though, as once there's no
financial discentive to jump from carrier to carrier, the carriers with the
most popular standard start to look more attractive.



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Old 05-13-2009, 03:16 AM
Todd Allcock
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Default Re: Cellphone Comany Shill

At 12 May 2009 21:39:13 +0000 John Blutarsky wrote:


> > This month Verizon Wireless agreed to pay 21 million dollars to
> > settle
> > an identical lawsuit just as trial was starting. The ruling is at the
> > center of a debate in other state courthouses and in Washington over
> > the fairness of the fees. The Federal Communications Commission is
> > being lobbied over how to handle the fees. Telecommunications
> > companies have asked the FCC to regulate the fees and shield wireless
> > companies from class action lawsuits in state courts, such as the one
> > Sprint is poised to lose.
> >
> >

>
> Wow- this could signal the end of subsidized phone pricing in the US.
> Wonder how folks are going to handle having to pay full pop for their
> phones down the road?



I doubt it'll effect anything. Most of these suits don't seem to have a
problem with the "quid quo pro" of contracts (and ETFs) in return for
equipment subsidies- it's when a contract is required for things like
rate plan changes, or establishing service where no subsidy is given
(bringing your own equipment, for example) that gets AGs up in arms
(deservedly!)

Even if EFTs were banned, we probably wouldn't see the end of subsidies -
just look in the prepaid phone aisle of a WalMart or drugstore, and see
how many no-contract sub-$50 handsets you can buy. While they're not
subsidized anywhere near the amount contract handsets are, phone
manufacturers still can't _build_ a low-end handset for $12, never mind
retailing them for that without a subsidy

Besides, if EFTs were completely outlawed, cellular companies would just
get creative. Like raise "activation fees," and/or require a (non
refundable) prepayment of your first x months of service to get a "free"
phone.



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Old 05-16-2009, 12:01 AM
John Blutarsky
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Default Re: Cellphone Comany Shill

"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> amazed us all with the
following in news:IFoOl.35135$iW4.7273@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com:

> "John Blutarsky" <bluto@ah.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C099F380BB68Bluto@85.214.105.209...
>> Wow- this could signal the end of subsidized phone pricing in the US.
>> Wonder how folks are going to handle having to pay full pop for their
>> phones down the road?

>
> After an initial period where they'll be most annoyed, I suspect over
> all they're be much happy.
>
> CDMA carriers might have the most to lose, though, as once there's no
> financial discentive to jump from carrier to carrier, the carriers
> with the most popular standard start to look more attractive.
>
>
>


The only discentive would be that the phone you are using today may not be
fully functional on the other network you are considering.

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