with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
as it was just launched in Chicago,
and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
desktop & USB -
wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ? http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
It seems like Clear has several partners,
as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
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"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
news:hfhvv9$2es$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
> as it was just launched in Chicago,
> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
> desktop & USB -
> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>
> It seems like Clear has several partners,
> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>
> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
> --
> ----------------------------------
Wondering -
How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
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>
> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
> news:hfhvv9$2es$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
>> as it was just launched in Chicago,
>> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
>> desktop & USB -
>> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>>
>> It seems like Clear has several partners,
>> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>>
>> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
>> --
>> ----------------------------------
>
> Wondering -
>
> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
@news.eternal-september.org:
> Wondering -
>
> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>
>
>
Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.
Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.
Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
browsing" ********. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
2Mbps do you?.....ha!
I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.
I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
too!
The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.
Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!
On Dec 6, 8:22*pm, "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam...@interserv.com> wrote:
> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
> as it was just launched in Chicago,
> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
> desktop & USB -
> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>
> It seems like Clear has several partners,
> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>
> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
I think it largely depends if Clearwire get's another major investor.
If the Google phone comes out and if it is all IP then it's possible
that Google could decide to invest. Google already has a bunch of
fiber.
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CDA185F8AC75noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi0ub$8kk$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Wondering -
>>
>> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
>> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Totally different philosophies. Wimax carriers are in the business to
> deliver UNLIMITED, HIGH SPEED data for use on anything you like.
> Sellphone carriers are in business to sell PHONE SERVICE, first, and data
> as a profit center after....to be milked for every cent they can.
>
> Rode down I-20 in Atlanta speed testing off Clear's system at 10Mbps on a
> Wimax aircard plugged into Dell's fastest laptop. That's NOT a burst-
> speed trick or stupid sellphone compression fantasy. That's to a flash-
> based speed test webpage, over and over. God it's FAST.
>
> Difference is WiMax won't be throttling phone and TV services like
> Sellphone carriers have done for years with their "only for email and web
> browsing" ********. There's no "5GB/month then we're gonna screw you
> good" mentality. What good will 5GB/month LTE 4G be? You don't expect a
> company selling data at $1.99/MB, $1,990/GB, to let you stream TV at
> 2Mbps do you?.....ha!
>
> I was one of the first cellular phone customers in Charleston, SC.
>
> I intend to be one of the first WiMax data customers in Charleston, SC,
> too!
>
> Atlanta Wimax is here:
> http://www.wimaxatl.com/
>
> News about North Carolina is here:
> http://www.yesdigital.com/
>
> The combo plans are great. pick 2 = $55 for 6Mbps down/1Mbps up both
> home or mobile. pick 3 is $75.
>
> Think you'll ever see a sellphone carrier let you have two aircards and
> home broadband for $75/mo UNLIMITED?...4 times as fast as VZW delivers
> only 5GB/mo for $60 now?......NOT!
>
Think back to when one of the sellphone carriers came to your town. They
put up the first 5 towers across town then kept building out over a year or
two to fill in the holes. Some got fantastic service. Others were in the
DEAD ZONES as I used to call them on here when we switched to digital from
AMPS.
Growing pains.....I'm amazed at how much building Clear is doing!
When I got my first cellular phone, there were two 500' towers to cover all
of Charleston, SC. Service sucked away from the towers, of course. A year
later, we had 12. Service was much improved. We switched to digital.
Service sucked again. But, it got better as lots of small sites replaced
the AMPS monsters my 3W bagphone used. Growing pains.
As long as the building doesn't stop halfassed done like ATT/Cingular did,
it'll happen with time.....
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in
news:hficdj$se$1@news.eternal-september.org:
> I can still see several "pizza box antennas" around our area rooftops
> from the last broadband wireless effort in Chicago - abandoned -
>
> There's even a couple dozen of the muni WiFi system antennas still on
> the street lights - again abandoned -
>
>
>
Within a couple of miles of my house, you can connect to W4CSC-R with your
Pringle's cantenna and wifi router and use mine. If everyone did this,
city systems would have be unnecessary. Warchalking isn't as good as it
used to be before the comm companies rang all the alarm bells to reduce the
freebie loading. Bandwidth goes to horrible waste across the net because
of all the locked up routers noone can borrow in the neighborhood.
You'll find a couple of Pringles cantennas on top of the enlisted barracks
of the Charleston AFB....My little contribution to the troops keeping us
safe. They're 1.8 miles from my 50' inverted plastic bucket with the 100mw
router and 6db antenna. That's pretty good coverage, considering all the
other routers raising hell in the area!
Help yourself. It's not secured and there's 6mbps down for all to share.
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9CDA1E20D80A8noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in news:hfi6f6$gvq$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago
>
> Think back to when one of the sellphone carriers came to your town. They
> put up the first 5 towers across town then kept building out over a year or
> two to fill in the holes. Some got fantastic service. Others were in the
> DEAD ZONES as I used to call them on here when we switched to digital from
> AMPS.
>
> Growing pains.....I'm amazed at how much building Clear is doing!
>
> When I got my first cellular phone, there were two 500' towers to cover all
> of Charleston, SC. Service sucked away from the towers, of course. A year
> later, we had 12. Service was much improved. We switched to digital.
> Service sucked again. But, it got better as lots of small sites replaced
> the AMPS monsters my 3W bagphone used. Growing pains.
>
> As long as the building doesn't stop halfassed done like ATT/Cingular did,
> it'll happen with time.....
>
L, old buddy. I have to complement you. Or at least make a comment on behalf of
all the old timers here.
This is the first I've seen you not bash digital.
It's nice to see you have succumbed to reality. You mellowing on us??
In article <Xns9CDB77BCFCB52noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, noone@home.com
says...
>
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
> news:JZCdnXgXqoWqn4PWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com :
>
> > You mellowing on us??
> >
>
> NEVAH!.....(c;]
>
> I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!
I'm betting Larry's issues are specifically with digital radios, like
the ones in modern cell phones. And the problem is not limited to cell
phones.
Clear Channel, CBS Radio and many smaller players are hyping HDRadio,
but, being digital, it too suffers from shorter range.
Even the Sirius satellite receiver in my new car has occasional issues.
I can count on losing the broadcast when I use the drive-up ATM at the
bank near my house. No line-of-sight to the satellite... no signal.
(Although I still think satellite radio is cool :>)
On 2009-12-08, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article <Xns9CDB77BCFCB52noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, noone@home.com
> says...
>>
>> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
>> news:JZCdnXgXqoWqn4PWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@giganews.com :
>>
>> > You mellowing on us??
>> >
>>
>> NEVAH!.....(c;]
>>
>> I'm watching for the Green Clearwire trucks to come rolling into town!
>
> I'm betting Larry's issues are specifically with digital radios, like
> the ones in modern cell phones. And the problem is not limited to cell
> phones.
No, Larry's no luddite and I'd bet that he knows that digital radios
are quite capable of significantly exceeding the range of NBFM under
otherwise identical conditions. The problem is that the conditions
aren't identical; if you replace a 3W NBFM handset and car kit with
a 200 mW (if you're lucky) digital handset with an internal antenna
you will definitely lose something.
> Clear Channel, CBS Radio and many smaller players are hyping HDRadio,
> but, being digital, it too suffers from shorter range.
It isn't that it is digital, it is that the new digital and old
analog radio are required to share the same spectrum that the old
analog radio used to occupy by itself. If you try to put 20 lbs
of potatoes into a 10 lb sack you are going to leave some potatoes
on the floor no matter how high tech the sack is.
> Even the Sirius satellite receiver in my new car has occasional issues.
> I can count on losing the broadcast when I use the drive-up ATM at the
> bank near my house. No line-of-sight to the satellite... no signal.
> (Although I still think satellite radio is cool :>)
Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
"issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
How dare you bring facts into this conversation!
Actually, our bank is one of the few places where I consistently drop
the Sirius signal. Other locations, even locations with a concrete
canopy over me (like at our bank), don't have much of a problem.
And the beautiful thing is: when I drive through no-man's land in
northeast San Diego County , where I've already lost the Los Angeles FM
stations and I'm not quite close enough to get the San Diego FM signals,
Sirius works.
(I work onsite in San Diego at least twice a month.)
SoCal sucks *** for FM radio, due to the mountainous terrain. I only
live about 70 miles northeast of Los Angeles, and I shouldn't have to
drive 30-45 minutes to hear Los Angeles radio stations, but I do...
except under certain conditions when I can drive out to the west end of
the Victor Valley, out near US 395, and occasionally get Jack FM or
KLOS.
Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
>
I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
MODEM the signal is ANALOG!
All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
tone pairs into the FM modulator.
You guys are SO funny......)(c;]
No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.
Larry wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
>> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
>> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
>> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
>> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
>> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
>> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
>> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
>> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
>>
>> Dennis Ferguson
>>
>>
>
> I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
> was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
> Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
> TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
> case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
> MODEM the signal is ANALOG!
>
> All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
> voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
> tone pairs into the FM modulator.
>
> You guys are SO funny......)(c;]
>
> No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.
>
According to the EE all signals are analog!-) However, the definition of
"digital" signals is an analog signal with THRESHOLDS!
On 2009-12-10, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnhhue0e.4h.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
>> radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away; I'd like to see you do
>> that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
>> either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
>> receiving antenna on your car). Needless to say, when receiving radio
>> over a 22,000 mile path it is hard to entirely avoid the occasional
>> "issue", though I'd note that I also have "issues" with high power
>> analog FM transmitters which are only 30 miles away when I stop my car
>> in the middle of a multipath fade. Radio is seldom perfectly reliable.
>>
>> Dennis Ferguson
>>
>>
>
> I love these "digital radio" discussions. You'd think the goddamned data
> was spewing out from the antenna. NOTHING is further from the truth!
> Data cannot be transmitted. Data is fed to a MODEM to be converted into
> TONES, which are then fed to A NARROW BAND FM TRANSMITTER....or in the
> case of wifi A WIDEBAND FM TRANSMITTER! From the point it enters the
> MODEM the signal is ANALOG!
>
> All cellular transmitters are FM transmitters. Some used to have direct
> voice modulation. They are gone, now, replaced by modems feeding tons of
> tone pairs into the FM modulator.
>
> You guys are SO funny......)(c;]
>
> No, I don't give a **** which data modulation scheme is fed to the MODEM.
It is possible to not give a **** what is fed into the modulator only
if you also don't give a **** about getting it back out of the demodulator.
Since the whole point of transmitting it is to get it back out, however,
what is fed in and the efficiency with which it can be got back out is
about the only interesting bit.
Also, since the modulation is mostly PSK, it probably sounds more like
clicks or belches than it does like tones. And since the narrowest
cell phone transmissions in common use now occupy 200 kHz of bandwidth
(the others being 1.25 MHz and 5 MHz), which is wider than broadcast
FM, I don't think you're going to get by with a narrow band FM transmitter.
On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:39:26 -0600, Dennis Ferguson
<dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Your Sirius receiver is usually receiving its signals from low power
>radio transmitters which are 22,000 miles away;
Sirius has a subtantial number of terrestrial repeaters. If you're in
a major metro area, you're more likely to hear the repeater than the
satellite:
<http://www.dogstarradio.com/sirius_map.php>
There's also quite a bit of diversity receive technology in the Sirius
receivers:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius_Satellite_Radio#Technology>
>I'd like to see you do
>that distance with an analog receiver (you could, but it would require
>either significantly more power at the satellite or a much uglier
>receiving antenna on your car).
Given a low enough data rate, you can go much farther. However,
you're right about the antenna. The uglier the antenna, the better it
works.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
news:56p3i5la169hv8id7ju0ljl49g9qgi472h@4ax.com:
> The uglier the antenna, the better it
> works.
>
Precisely what I've been telling my horrified neighbors for 35 years since
I put up the first ham antenna.....(c;]
Have some fun with your neighbors. Put up a ham antenna. Even though you
don't own a transmitter and never connected it to anything, you are
responsible for every electronic failure and every cable outage for a 4
square mile area.
I was lucky for years. There was an illegal CBer with a huge tower and
stacked ugly beams to blame until 1998 when he died. After that, it was my
fault.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:38:04 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
>news:56p3i5la169hv8id7ju0ljl49g9qgi472h@4ax.com :
>
>> The uglier the antenna, the better it
>> works.
>Precisely what I've been telling my horrified neighbors for 35 years since
>I put up the first ham antenna.....(c;]
It's true. Every antenna I've designed or cloned is like that. The
ones that are near, clean, aesthetic, and elegant looking, don't work.
The ones that defy calculations, were thrown together out of scrap,
and are very messy, are the ones that work the best.
>Have some fun with your neighbors. Put up a ham antenna. Even though you
>don't own a transmitter and never connected it to anything, you are
>responsible for every electronic failure and every cable outage for a 4
>square mile area.
Yep. When I first bought my house in about 1974, I installed a simple
10ft pipe and 3ft marine fiberglass omni antenna on the roof. I was
working in marine radio at the time. Almost immediately, well before
I dragged home a radio, the TVI complaints arrived. They persisted
for perhaps 25 years, until satellite and cable TV arrived to save my
sanity.
Actually, that didn't quite work. I installed a 19" DBS dish on the
roof, which was common enough that it didn't attract any attention.
However, when I installed a much larger 1 meter dish, one neighbor
decided that I was "irradiating" her and causing all manner of
maladies. I now have a large trash bag, with dead oak leaves glued
all over it, covering the dish, so hopefully it won't be as
noticeable.
Incidentally, during the 1970's, there was a nearby cold war era
200mhz long range radar transmitter on Mt Umunhum:
<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7565270773>
The radar would get into everything. I heard the buzz on every radio
I dragged home, on my hi-fi, TV, test equipment, and even the coils in
my toaster oven. Needless to say, there was plenty of RF exposure for
everyone.
>I was lucky for years. There was an illegal CBer with a huge tower and
>stacked ugly beams to blame until 1998 when he died. After that, it was my
>fault.
Tell the neighbors that the CB'ers transmissions never really die out,
and that his signals just bounce between the ground and the ionosphere
forever. My might be able to milk a few more years of peace and quite
with that ploy.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
newsqk5i59v88tg2lit12ci5703l172jog93u@4ax.com:
> Actually, that didn't quite work. I installed a 19" DBS dish on the
> roof, which was common enough that it didn't attract any attention.
> However, when I installed a much larger 1 meter dish, one neighbor
> decided that I was "irradiating" her and causing all manner of
> maladies. I now have a large trash bag, with dead oak leaves glued
> all over it, covering the dish, so hopefully it won't be as
> noticeable.
>
I probably would have had less trouble if I hadn't had two 40 watt
flourescent tubes about 2/3 the way out on each side of the 80 meter dipole
that lit up the whole yard like day, modulated by the SSB as I spoke way
into the night....(c;]
"Did you see the tubes lit up when your TV interference was going on?", I'd
ask them, their faces blank. "No, but I know it was you!" "It couldn't
have been me. Here watch.", I retorted switching to 75M and whistling into
my mike lighting up the neighborhood like day. "I'm only on the air when
those tubes are lit." That usually got rid of them....and impressed a
local judge when they dragged me into court. Of course, I made no mention
that the tubes didn't light up on 20 meters from the beam. They didn't
need to know that.
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
newsqk5i59v88tg2lit12ci5703l172jog93u@4ax.com:
> Incidentally, during the 1970's, there was a nearby cold war era
> 200mhz long range radar transmitter on Mt Umunhum:
> <http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7565270773>
> The radar would get into everything. I heard the buzz on every radio
> I dragged home, on my hi-fi, TV, test equipment, and even the coils in
> my toaster oven. Needless to say, there was plenty of RF exposure for
> everyone.
>
I know a ham who lives about 400 feet off the front end of a 3 tower AM
array with a 50KW Harris blowtorch radiating through his house. In the
attic is a big loop antenna with a tunable cap in series with all the yard,
garage, outside shed and porch lights that have been running on RF for over
30 years! If you watch them close, you can see the positive
overmodulation, an old AM trick to increase range. The cap is not tuned
right on the station. All the bulbs blow if you tune it up all the way.
He just uses the cap as a light dimmer, setting it for maximum bulb life,
not the brightest yard on the block...(c;] I'd guess he's bleeding off
400-500 watts from the beast. Every electrical appliance on the AC
powerline "talks" to you all the time. Two of the flourescent AC-powered
lights in the bathrooms can't be shut off.
Think he's in danger of frying his kids? He's about 70, his wife even
older. They raised 4 healthy kids in that house who all have big families,
too! Doesn't seem to be a problem.....It may have even made them more
fertile!
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in
newsqk5i59v88tg2lit12ci5703l172jog93u@4ax.com:
> Tell the neighbors that the CB'ers transmissions never really die out,
> and that his signals just bounce between the ground and the ionosphere
> forever. My might be able to milk a few more years of peace and quite
> with that ploy.
>
>
Another old ham sent me a jpg of two houses he got from some place. One
house is a ham's house from all the antennas around it. The other house
has a big sign in the front yard that says, "HOUSE FOR SALE BECAUSE MY
NEIGHBOR IS AN *******!"
I think he said it came from California, but the houses look like northern
houses.
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>
> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
>> news:hfhvv9$2es$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> with several cities now up and running on WiMax,
>>> as it was just launched in Chicago,
>>> and I have seen several kiosks with the Moto live running receivers -
>>> desktop & USB -
>>> wondering how ClearWire will do as an investment ?
>>> http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CLWR
>>>
>>> It seems like Clear has several partners,
>>> as I've seen co-op ads from - Sprint, Comcast, etc -
>>>
>>> Both the base station + USB being offered for $55/month
>>> --
>>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> Wondering -
>>
>> How much of a lead does Clearwire & WiMax have
>> before the cellular carriers have 4G like LTE deployed ?
>>
>
> hmmmmmmmm -
> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r232...ear-in-Chicago
>
>
Larry:
I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to the
home service via the network router unit and the moble service with the USB
modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get that level. It
usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running at 80 ms but now seem
to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent interuptions averaging once
per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling customer service for them was an
experience of listening to people that have no real concept of customer
service. According to the rep's I talked to, they refuse to announce
planned outages. They also have no back up plan to minimize the outage
times.
So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as something
that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the level of
service that people pay for, they will go out of business because of the
competition.
Meanwhile, at the alt.internet.wireless Job Justification Hearings, Richard
Johnson chose the tried and tested strategy of:
> According to the rep's I talked to, they refuse to announce planned
> outages.
That's pretty **** customer service - a planned outage that you don't tell
anybody about might as well be an unplanned one. You could start a Facebook
group, call it something like Clearwire Outages, and get fellow Clearwire
customers to report when they've had an outage. You might be able to work
out when network-wide outages are occurring, and embarrass Clearwire into
changing their policy at the same time.
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"Richard Johnson" <richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in
news:hgomj40skl@news6.newsguy.com:
> Larry:
>
> I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to
> the home service via the network router unit and the moble service
> with the USB modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get
> that level. It usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running
> at 80 ms but now seem to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent
> interuptions averaging once per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling
> customer service for them was an experience of listening to people
> that have no real concept of customer service. According to the rep's
> I talked to, they refuse to announce planned outages. They also have
> no back up plan to minimize the outage times.
> So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
> continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as
> something that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the
> level of service that people pay for, they will go out of business
> because of the competition.
>
> Rich
>
>
Thanks for your personal experience, Rich. I'm very disappointed reading
all the negative reports like this from across the country. I think your
assessment of Clear is quite close to the mark.
We Americans just can't seem to do anything right.....
On 12/22/2009 00:23, Larry wrote:
> "Richard Johnson"<richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in
> news:hgomj40skl@news6.newsguy.com:
>
>> Larry:
>>
>> I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to
>> the home service via the network router unit and the moble service
>> with the USB modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get
>> that level. It usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running
>> at 80 ms but now seem to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent
>> interuptions averaging once per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling
>> customer service for them was an experience of listening to people
>> that have no real concept of customer service. According to the rep's
>> I talked to, they refuse to announce planned outages. They also have
>> no back up plan to minimize the outage times.
>> So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
>> continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as
>> something that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the
>> level of service that people pay for, they will go out of business
>> because of the competition.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for your personal experience, Rich. I'm very disappointed reading
> all the negative reports like this from across the country. I think your
> assessment of Clear is quite close to the mark.
>
> We Americans just can't seem to do anything right.....
>
>
Actually as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Plenty of American businesses offer good service but you need to pay for
it. You think there are no costs associated with providing service and
think everything should be free but that isn't reality.
The problem with Clearwire is that they are underfunded and have a poor
business model.
"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:hgqf1l$vdr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/22/2009 00:23, Larry wrote:
>> "Richard Johnson"<richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in
>> news:hgomj40skl@news6.newsguy.com:
>>
>>> Larry:
>>>
>>> I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to
>>> the home service via the network router unit and the moble service
>>> with the USB modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get
>>> that level. It usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running
>>> at 80 ms but now seem to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent
>>> interuptions averaging once per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling
>>> customer service for them was an experience of listening to people
>>> that have no real concept of customer service. According to the rep's
>>> I talked to, they refuse to announce planned outages. They also have
>>> no back up plan to minimize the outage times.
>>> So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
>>> continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as
>>> something that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the
>>> level of service that people pay for, they will go out of business
>>> because of the competition.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your personal experience, Rich. I'm very disappointed reading
>> all the negative reports like this from across the country. I think your
>> assessment of Clear is quite close to the mark.
>>
>> We Americans just can't seem to do anything right.....
>>
>>
> Actually as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Plenty
> of American businesses offer good service but you need to pay for it. You
> think there are no costs associated with providing service and think
> everything should be free but that isn't reality.
>
> The problem with Clearwire is that they are underfunded and have a poor
> business model.
hmmmm - would that not be -> >> We just can't seem to do anything right.....
"ps56k" <pschuman_no_spam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
news:hgtafe$m3s$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hgqf1l$vdr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 12/22/2009 00:23, Larry wrote:
>>> "Richard Johnson"<richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in
>>> news:hgomj40skl@news6.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>> Larry:
>>>>
>>>> I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to
>>>> the home service via the network router unit and the moble service
>>>> with the USB modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get
>>>> that level. It usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running
>>>> at 80 ms but now seem to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent
>>>> interuptions averaging once per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling
>>>> customer service for them was an experience of listening to people
>>>> that have no real concept of customer service. According to the rep's
>>>> I talked to, they refuse to announce planned outages. They also have
>>>> no back up plan to minimize the outage times.
>>>> So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
>>>> continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as
>>>> something that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the
>>>> level of service that people pay for, they will go out of business
>>>> because of the competition.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your personal experience, Rich. I'm very disappointed
>>> reading
>>> all the negative reports like this from across the country. I think
>>> your
>>> assessment of Clear is quite close to the mark.
>>>
>>> We Americans just can't seem to do anything right.....
>>>
>>>
>> Actually as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
>> Plenty of American businesses offer good service but you need to pay for
>> it. You think there are no costs associated with providing service and
>> think everything should be free but that isn't reality.
>>
>> The problem with Clearwire is that they are underfunded and have a poor
>> business model.
>
> hmmmm - would that not be -> >> We just can't seem to do anything
> right.....
>
Actually, a lot of start up businesses fail because of underfunding and poor
business plans. (The majority, and it is not just US businesses.)
I just think Clearwire is going to fail (unless there is a Government bail
out). I think that because of my experience as a user, and years of
experience in the Communications world.
On 12/23/2009 09:46, ps56k wrote:
> "George"<george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hgqf1l$vdr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 12/22/2009 00:23, Larry wrote:
>>> "Richard Johnson"<richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in
>>> news:hgomj40skl@news6.newsguy.com:
>>>
>>>> Larry:
>>>>
>>>> I have been a user of Clearwire in Portland Oregon. I subscribed to
>>>> the home service via the network router unit and the moble service
>>>> with the USB modem. I subscribed to the 6 Mb service. I rarely get
>>>> that level. It usually runs at half that speed. Pings were running
>>>> at 80 ms but now seem to be around 160 ms. I have had intermittent
>>>> interuptions averaging once per week, once up to 8 hours. Calling
>>>> customer service for them was an experience of listening to people
>>>> that have no real concept of customer service. According to the rep's
>>>> I talked to, they refuse to announce planned outages. They also have
>>>> no back up plan to minimize the outage times.
>>>> So, my experience is that they are not long for this world. If they
>>>> continue to disregard customer service and treat the system as
>>>> something that needs to have minimized down time, and also provide the
>>>> level of service that people pay for, they will go out of business
>>>> because of the competition.
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your personal experience, Rich. I'm very disappointed reading
>>> all the negative reports like this from across the country. I think your
>>> assessment of Clear is quite close to the mark.
>>>
>>> We Americans just can't seem to do anything right.....
>>>
>>>
>> Actually as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Plenty
>> of American businesses offer good service but you need to pay for it. You
>> think there are no costs associated with providing service and think
>> everything should be free but that isn't reality.
>>
>> The problem with Clearwire is that they are underfunded and have a poor
>> business model.
>
> hmmmm - would that not be -> >> We just can't seem to do anything right.....
>
>
No, way to broad. Just because Clearwire isn't doing so well doesn't
mean *We* can't do anything right.
"Richard Johnson" <richj@bounce.this.com> wrote in message
news:hgu6pu027t6@news2.newsguy.com...
>
> I just think Clearwire is going to fail (unless there is a Government
> bail out). I think that because of my experience as a user, and years
> of experience in the Communications world.
>
> Rich
>
ROTFLMAO!
Have you seen the team of investors behind Clearwire/WiMax?
There ain't no phucking way this is going to fail. They're just gettin'
warmed up!
Clearwire - 4G - WiMax 
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