-Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
were tied with T-Mobile)
-Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
-Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
Sprint, or T-Mobile.
I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire
them, but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> -Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
> were tied with T-Mobile)
>
> -Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
>
> -Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
> Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
>
> I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
> Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
> users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
> Sprint, or T-Mobile.
>
> I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
> company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
> their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire them,
> but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that everything
was distorted. He changed company's.
In article <0un5j.28795$lD6.19065@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> ,
"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
> "SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> > -Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
> > were tied with T-Mobile)
> >
> > -Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
> >
> > -Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
> > Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
> >
> > I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
> > Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
> > users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
> > Sprint, or T-Mobile.
> >
> > I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
> > company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
> > their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire them,
> > but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
>
> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that everything
> was distorted. He changed company's.
Kurt wrote:
> "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that everything
>> was distorted. He changed company's.
>
> The company's what?
"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent company.
> They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and their Wi-Max
> plan has gone nowhere.
To most consumers, none of these matter that much:
-- If Sprint has coverage where you work and play (and this is still >90% of
the population), you're happy.
-- The phone selection is broad enough very few people won't find a phone they
like (it's only the <<1% of Sprint customers in places like this newsgroups
who tend to be super-picky about which very particular model they want...
someone like my mother would tend to pick, e.g., the best-looking phone that
just has regular voice services!)
-- The average customer doesn't know a thing about WiMax yet
So you see, while Sprint may or may not be that great of a business, the
reasons it is or isn't don't have a lot to do with the reasons you listed,
IMO. Keep in mind that someone posting to this newsgroup -- such as
yourself -- is usually *quite* far from the "average" Sprint customer, being
*much* more knowledgable about Sprint's offerings and business.
personally, dropped verizon at their encouragement the first day numbers became portable in my area.
poor service, no service, dropped calls.
lived in line of sight of 2 verizon towers.
could go out into the yard and SEE them.
sore recommedned buying an external antenna from a mall kiosak. brought it back to the store to make sure it was the one they recommended and was told then if I pluged it in woujld violate my warrenty. what a bunch of bull, since they recommended it to start with.
switched to SPRINT and never looked back.
occasionally have small problems with bilings but they get worked out, lots easier than they dia with verizon or at&t.
"SMS 斯蒂文• 夏" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
-Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
were tied with T-Mobile)
-Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
-Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
Sprint, or T-Mobile.
I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire
them, but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:29:17 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
>news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net.. .
>> I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent company.
>> They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and their Wi-Max
>> plan has gone nowhere.
>
>To most consumers, none of these matter that much:
>
>-- If Sprint has coverage where you work and play (and this is still >90% of
>the population), you're happy.
But if they have excessive amounts of dropped calls?
If they screw up your billing, and make it hard to get it fixed?
If they screw up your account when you move?
If they refuse to repair a problematic phone telling you its just a
PRL issue?
If CSRs lie to you due their handle time limits and need to get you
off the line?
If the phones die at 13 months age?
If the coverage changes so calls won't go through?
DON'T YOU READ THE POSTS here from the folks that give up on Sprint,
and help give it
the highest Churn rate, and lowest ratings for customer service?
>-- The phone selection is broad enough very few people won't find a phone they
>like (it's only the <<1% of Sprint customers in places like this newsgroups
>who tend to be super-picky about which very particular model they want...
>someone like my mother would tend to pick, e.g., the best-looking phone that
>just has regular voice services!)
>-- The average customer doesn't know a thing about WiMax yet
>
>So you see, while Sprint may or may not be that great of a business, the
>reasons it is or isn't don't have a lot to do with the reasons you listed,
>IMO. Keep in mind that someone posting to this newsgroup -- such as
>yourself -- is usually *quite* far from the "average" Sprint customer, being
>*much* more knowledgable about Sprint's offerings and business.
>
>---Joel
>
> was told then if I pluged it in woujld violate my warrenty.
Damn! That would be fun to test in small claims court in front
of a sympathetic judge. This is precisely why you should always
carry a friend to the store with you so they can hang themselves
in front of a credible witness who can testify.....or carry your
MP3 recorder in your pocket like I do.
"We never said that."......"Yes, you did. Here, listen to
it!"....
Priceless.........................(c;
Larry
--
"Yes, your honor, here's a recording of exactly what he
threatened me with."
Did you guys know Skype records to your hard drive?....(c;
Joel Koltner wrote:
> "SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent company.
>> They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and their Wi-Max
>> plan has gone nowhere.
>
> To most consumers, none of these matter that much:
Apparently it matters a lot, as Sprint continues to hemorrhage customers
despite having some good deals on calling plans. It used to be unheard
of for any carrier to have an actual decline in the number of
subscribers, but Sprint has managed to do this in the most recent
quarter. Verizon and AT&T continue to add market share, though AT&T was
losing market share until the iPhone launch.
> So you see, while Sprint may or may not be that great of a business, the
> reasons it is or isn't don't have a lot to do with the reasons you listed,
> IMO. Keep in mind that someone posting to this newsgroup -- such as
> yourself -- is usually *quite* far from the "average" Sprint customer, being
> *much* more knowledgable about Sprint's offerings and business.
Clearly Sprint's loss of subscribers is not due to people reading
Usenet, it's for other reasons. When you rank last in 19 out of 20
markets in an influential publication like Consumer Reports, it has an
influence on the general population of subscribers.
I do have an issue with CR's rankings, in that often the second place
finisher is _not_ the carrier with the second best coverage. In my area,
T-Mobile has the worst coverage, but was ranked second because of other
factors taken into consideration in the ratings. In reality, AT&T has
the second-best coverage in my area, followed by Sprint in third, and
T-Mobile is last. I think this is the case in many cities, where AT&T is
usually second to Verizon in terms of quality of coverage.
"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
news:0un5j.28795$lD6.19065@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>
> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that
> everything was distorted. He changed company's.
"clifto" <clifto@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e8eh25-3km.ln1@remote.clifto.com...
> Kurt wrote:
>> "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote:
>>> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that
>>> everything
>>> was distorted. He changed company's.
>>
>> The company's what?
>
> Li'st of cu'stomer's, 'silly.
>
> --
> A staffer for Democrat Senator Maria Cantwell of Washington has been
> arrested for trying to arrange a sexual tryst with a 13-year old boy.
> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...72senate1.html
I need to re-read my posts before sending, I guess.
"LHA" <nobody@nobody1.com1> wrote in message
news:d4z5j.30496$Pv2.15100@newssvr23.news.prodigy. net...
>
> "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
> news:0un5j.28795$lD6.19065@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>>
>> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that
>> everything was distorted. He changed company's.
>
> It's "companies." Moron.
>
LHA wrote:
> "Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message
> news:0un5j.28795$lD6.19065@newssvr27.news.prodigy. net...
>> About 5 years ago a friend got Sprint service and complained that
>> everything was distorted. He changed company's.
>
> It's "companies." Moron.
Just because he don't speak no good english is no reason to call him a
maroon.
Sounds like you had a defective phone. If you could see the towers, an
external antenna doesn't seem logical.
"mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@sprintpcs.com> wrote in message
news:-9ednVIyBauRK8vanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@giganews.com...
personally, dropped verizon at their encouragement the first day numbers
became portable in my area.
poor service, no service, dropped calls.
lived in line of sight of 2 verizon towers.
could go out into the yard and SEE them.
sore recommedned buying an external antenna from a mall kiosak. brought it
back to the store to make sure it was the one they recommended and was told
then if I pluged it in woujld violate my warrenty. what a bunch of bull,
since they recommended it to start with.
switched to SPRINT and never looked back.
occasionally have small problems with bilings but they get worked out, lots
easier than they dia with verizon or at&t.
"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
-Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
were tied with T-Mobile)
-Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
-Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
Sprint, or T-Mobile.
I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire
them, but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
"Ron" <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:gpddl3doi0endtcdnbs2gbftpjnc302vqd@4ax.com...
> But if they have excessive amounts of dropped calls?
> If they screw up your billing, and make it hard to get it fixed?
> If they screw up your account when you move?
> If they refuse to repair a problematic phone telling you its just a
> PRL issue?
> If CSRs lie to you due their handle time limits and need to get you
> off the line?
> If the phones die at 13 months age?
> If the coverage changes so calls won't go through?
These are all decent reasons that many customers would leave Sprint for,
certainly. (Although the very first, "excessive amount of dropped calls" is
probably likely to be no better with any other carrier.)
> DON'T YOU READ THE POSTS here from the folks that give up on Sprint,
> and help give it
> the highest Churn rate, and lowest ratings for customer service?
Sure, I was just pointing that the somewhat smaller total coverage area/phone
selection/WiMax were *not* reasons most people would or wouldn't choose
Sprint.
I do accept that Sprint's "customer service" is about the worst in the
industry. :-)
> Sure, I was just pointing that the somewhat smaller total coverage area/phone
> selection/WiMax were *not* reasons most people would or wouldn't choose
> Sprint.
It's not just the total coverage area, it's that even within major metro
areas Sprint is so bad, as the CR (and other surveys) have concluded.
BTW, the margin of error on the CR survey, assuming 250 million
subscribers, and 48,000 responses to the survey is well under 1% (with a
99% confidence level). Break it down by region and by carrier, and there
is still an extremely low margin of error.
> These are all decent reasons that many customers would leave Sprint for,
> certainly. (Although the very first, "excessive amount of dropped calls"
is
> probably likely to be no better with any other carrier.)
Perhaps I've been blessed with my coice of T-Mobile, but I can probably
count the number of dropped calls I've had in the past couple of years on
the fingers of one hand.
> Sure, I was just pointing that the somewhat smaller total coverage
> area/phone selection/WiMax were *not* reasons most people would or
> wouldn't choose Sprint.
Agreed. My friends and colleagues who use Sprint seem happy enough. That
goes double for those on SERO plans.
> "mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@sprintpcs.com> wrote in news:-
> 9ednVIyBauRK8vanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> was told then if I pluged it in woujld violate my warrenty.
>
> Damn! That would be fun to test in small claims court in front
> of a sympathetic judge. This is precisely why you should always
> carry a friend to the store with you so they can hang themselves
> in front of a credible witness who can testify.....or carry your
> MP3 recorder in your pocket like I do.
>
> "We never said that."......"Yes, you did. Here, listen to
> it!"....
Be careful that this doesn't violate the wiretap laws in your state.
That's why police cruisers with dashboard video cameras don't record the
sound, just the picture.
Cellguy <cellguy@moto3.net> wrote in
news:7dfdpf7kh5yf.ewp76sa45z9$.dlg@40tude.net:
> Be careful that this doesn't violate the wiretap laws in your
state.
> That's why police cruisers with dashboard video cameras don't
record the
> sound, just the picture.
>
>
Nope. Not in South Carolina.....(c;
Make my day.....hee hee.
I'm doing the initial paperwork at the Socialist Security office
to get some of my long string of taxes back, tomorrow. I've
cleaned off the 2GB microSD in the Sellphone so it won't run out
of recording space....every word.
That's why they have a big sign on the wall telling you all
SELLphones must be turned OFF in the building. OK, no problem.
I'll record it on my 120GB MP3 player's hard drive. No problem
at all.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
3 different phones in 4 months, same situation.
store manager lived in near by area and had same problems.
they kept promising to fix it by installing more towers, for 0ver 1 year.
am happy with sprint.
even with the occasional burp.
"Cubit" <no@not.not> wrote in message newsgA5j.75799$YL5.45395@newssvr29.news.prodigy. net...
Sounds like you had a defective phone. If you could see the towers, an
external antenna doesn't seem logical.
"mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@sprintpcs.com> wrote in message
news:-9ednVIyBauRK8vanZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@giganews.com...
personally, dropped verizon at their encouragement the first day numbers
became portable in my area.
poor service, no service, dropped calls.
lived in line of sight of 2 verizon towers.
could go out into the yard and SEE them.
sore recommedned buying an external antenna from a mall kiosak. brought it
back to the store to make sure it was the one they recommended and was told
then if I pluged it in woujld violate my warrenty. what a bunch of bull,
since they recommended it to start with.
switched to SPRINT and never looked back.
occasionally have small problems with bilings but they get worked out, lots
easier than they dia with verizon or at&t.
"SMS ???. ?" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
-Verizon was #1 in 17 out of 20 markets surveyed (in 2 of those 17 they
were tied with T-Mobile)
-Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
-Sprint was last in 19 out of 20 markets (AT&T was last in
Minneapolis-Saint Paul, and Sprint was 2nd to last).
I really thought that the declining number of AMPS handsets would hurt
Verizon's ratings, but apparently that was not the case. Even with most
users having digital-only phones, Verizon is still far better than AT&T,
Sprint, or T-Mobile.
I wonder how long Sprint can continue in business as an independent
company. They have the worst coverage, a poor selection of handsets, and
their Wi-Max plan has gone nowhere. Some say Verizon should acquire
them, but I don't think that Verizon wants or needs them.
Ness-Net wrote:
> Please check this....
> Either they are wrong - or you mis-read.
>
> Alltel isn't even in the Seattle market.
>
>
> "SMS 斯蒂文• 夏" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:4755f2af$0$84232$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>
>>
>> -Alltel was #1 in 3 markets (Tampa, Cleveland, and Seattle)
>>
>
Yes, my mistake. The third market where Alltel was #1 is Phoenix, not
Seattle.
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 05 Dec 2007 11:01:35 -0800 Joel Koltner wrote:
>
>> These are all decent reasons that many customers would leave Sprint for,
>> certainly. (Although the very first, "excessive amount of dropped calls"
> is
>> probably likely to be no better with any other carrier.)
> Perhaps I've been blessed with my coice of T-Mobile, but I can probably
> count the number of dropped calls I've had in the past couple of years on
> the fingers of one hand.
>
>> Sure, I was just pointing that the somewhat smaller total coverage
>> area/phone selection/WiMax were *not* reasons most people would or
>> wouldn't choose Sprint.
>
> Agreed. My friends and colleagues who use Sprint seem happy enough. That
> goes double for those on SERO plans.
>
>
>
I think most experienced cell users (more than one provider, over many
years) would confirm that experience with coverage depends more on the
individual handset than the provider. For instance, here in rural MO,
on Sprint, wifey's Sanyo SCP-3100 is essentially useless until she hits
a major highway. My older Sanyo RL-4920 is usually at home, as well as
on the highway.
The only other MAJOR provider that has service (albeit flaky) in this
area is US Cellular. And, their coverage plans suck. I want service I
can use almost anywhere I travel in the US.
--
Thieves get rich and saints get shot, and God don't answer prayers a lot.
> I think most experienced cell users (more than one provider, over
> many years) would confirm that experience with coverage depends more
> on the individual handset than the provider.
Actually I find it's the opposite. While a crappy handset will give you
more problems, in my experience an excellent performing handset can't save
bad coverage.
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 05 Dec 2007 23:45:05 -0600 me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> I think most experienced cell users (more than one provider, over
>> many years) would confirm that experience with coverage depends more
>> on the individual handset than the provider.
>
> Actually I find it's the opposite. While a crappy handset will give you
> more problems, in my experience an excellent performing handset can't save
> bad coverage.
This is true. No matter how good the handset, if there isn't ubiquitous
coverage you won't be able to connect. In my area, Sprint and T-Mobile
have far less coverage for two reasons: 1) they were latecomers and
ended up with the undesirable 1900 MHz spectrum which requires many more
towers for equivalent coverage than 800 MHz, and 2) they are running
into more organized opposition to putting up more towers (which didn't
exist in the early days when the companies that morphed into Verizon and
AT&T began putting up towers) .
Cellguy wrote:
> Be careful that this doesn't violate the wiretap laws in your state.
> That's why police cruisers with dashboard video cameras don't record the
> sound, just the picture.
In your state. Television is full of police dashboard video tapes complete
with sound from wireless remote microphones.
Cellguy wrote:
> Be careful that this doesn't violate the wiretap laws in your state.
> That's why police cruisers with dashboard video cameras don't record the
> sound, just the picture.
I'm sure that law enforcement agencies are exempt those laws.
On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:38:40 -0600, DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx>
wrote:
>Cellguy wrote:
>> Be careful that this doesn't violate the wiretap laws in your state.
>> That's why police cruisers with dashboard video cameras don't record the
>> sound, just the picture.
>
>I'm sure that law enforcement agencies are exempt those laws.
I doubt very many such laws (if any) really exist. I used to have a
dash camera (w/ outside sounds recorded via an external weatherproof
mic) in my car, at the suggestion of a couple of police officers. As
long as you aren't following someone as to constitute stalking, you
are entitled to record anything that is plainly obvious on public
roadways. There is no expectation of privacy on public roads except
under limited circumstances within your own car.
Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
I live in southwestern Pa. Wireless here is pretty tough with the terrain being the way it is. I like Sprint because it roams over on Verizon. I get Sprint prices and Verizon coverage. I drive a lot to Chicago and have great service all across the area that I go. Actually better than my Verizon phone.
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