iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > Fortune has a great article today of what is going to happen throughout
> > the World:
> >
> > Great READING!
>
> So it's been established that you CAN read.
>
> So, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> in Steve Jobs's world?

The mystery of that question is clearly in your court. Nobody has come
up with any "crucial" contribution she has made to Apple/SJ.

So it's fully up to you to share your "secret" or forever play the fool.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> Let's see, you've spent the last few months sending out massive waves of
> non-topical information to a wide variety of newsgroups.
>
> How is it, then, that you're not spamming? Tell us more.

So, Elmo... who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
in Steve Jobs's world?

For some reason you can't come up with an answer. Everyone will be
laughing at you until you do.

--

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > mark, you make everyone laugh with ignorance like that, Apple certainly
> > did create the first PDA, they even coined the term!
>
> I suggest you look before 1993 when Newtown came out.
>
> PSION came out with its EPOC/SIBO PDAs before that. And before that, we
> had many different "glorified calculators" that acted as PDA such as the
> Casio BOSS.

how could they come out with a PDA before the acronym was coined by
Apple? They didn't. Sure there were other devices, just like there were
other MP3 players, computers, before Apple "set the standard" everyone
users today. The iPhone is no different. Everything has to match up to
those high goals are they aren't considered quality products by the
public or the reviewers.

Thus no PDA could have happened before the first "PDA" was created.
Apple / CEO John Sculley clearly created that word/term/acronym. Look it
up.

> Suggest you look into:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion
>
> Its first PDA was in 1984, 9 years before the Newtown. The EPOC based
> ones came out before 1991 (the MC series, but I don't have a date). 1991
> saw the introduction of the Series 3 PDA (2 years prior to newtown) with
> not only all the PDA functions but also networking with computers,
> ability to install new applications and a fully pre emptive multitasking
> system with interprocess communications. (EPOC on the 16 bit processors
> (80286 equivalents).

But it wasn't a PDA, the term wasn't used or created until August 3, 1993

> Sculley claiming he invented PDA is just as credible as those who say Al
> Gore invented the internet. I don't wish to diminish the Newtown which
> was a great leap forwards in software/hardware.

Yes, but Facts are Facts... you can't change them now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_N...in_development

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the truth hurts sometime

The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton. PDAs are sometimes
referred to as "Palms", "Palm Pilot" or "Palm Tops"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History

"Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:

> > Yes, I do understand that you might not want to measure up to that
> > level, but what they have to say is important. And spells the future of
> > all other technical groups within the USENET hierarchy.
>
> Oxford - Stick to one name - you moron.
> This sock puppet shit is indicative of what an ass you continue to be.

I never use sock puppets, i only use Pen Names, get used to it.

> I have no idea why you do it, but it really makes you worse than you already
> do.

Why? Pay attention to the valuable content I offer, ignore the Pen Name
since that matters the least within the packet of info provided.

> Not quite as much as the actual content of your fanatical fanboy fantasies.
>
> But certainly the sock puppets - along with the completely wacky shit you
> post
> show all who have to endure it - that you have a very tenuous grip on
> reality.
>
> There are meds that can probably treat your disorder.... get help.

Meds? I'm quite rational and post topical information. Try it sometime.

none wrote:
> the truth hurts sometime
>
> The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
> Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
> Vegas,
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History


First, wikipedia is interesting, but it is not an authoritative bible
when it comes to facts. Sometimes it takes time for the facts to be
straightened out.

And even if Sculley was the first to use the acronym, it doesn't mean
that the Newton was the first device for which the term PDA could be
applied.

Before that, the term "Pocket Organiser" was often used.

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> none wrote:
> > the truth hurts sometime
> >
> > The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
> > Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
> > Vegas,
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History
>
> First, wikipedia is interesting, but it is not an authoritative bible
> when it comes to facts. Sometimes it takes time for the facts to be
> straightened out.

yes, but in this instance it is 100% factual.

> And even if Sculley was the first to use the acronym, it doesn't mean
> that the Newton was the first device for which the term PDA could be
> applied.

there is no "if", it's a fact he is the first to do so. what has gotten
lost in the shuffle is the Newton still remains the only PDA. the "A"
stood for "Assistant", that actually asked you questions, no common PDA
or "Pocket Organizer" ever did that pre-PDA or post-PDA.

The "A" in the Newton allowed the software to anticipate the behavior of
the user and act on those assumptions. For example, Newton would filter
an AppleLink email, hyperlink all of the names to the address book,
search the email for dates and times, and ask the user if it should
schedule an event.

Pretty slick, nothing comes close to it even today.

> Before that, the term "Pocket Organiser" was often used.

yes, and those were Pocket Organizers, or PO's even PDO's, but not PDA's.

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none wrote:

> the truth hurts sometime
>
> The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
> Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
> Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton. PDAs are sometimes
> referred to as "Palms", "Palm Pilot" or "Palm Tops"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History



Oh, and who made that edit, Oxford? Another fanboi? Corporate?

As you say, the truth can hurt.

"News" <News@Groups.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1rWdnV0ylZioI7DanZ2dnUVZ_sHinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
>
> none wrote:
>
>> the truth hurts sometime
>>
>> The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
>> Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
>> Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton. PDAs are sometimes referred
>> to as "Palms", "Palm Pilot" or "Palm Tops"
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History
>
>
>
> Oh, and who made that edit, Oxford? Another fanboi? Corporate?
>
> As you say, the truth can hurt.

I'm amazed that so many take this oxford boy seriously! It must be an
american troll, since almost anyone in Europe can see that the iphone is
appr four years behind the models we are using today.

iphone is a teenagers toy... nice looking but very little of a phone...

BG wrote:

> "News" <News@Groups.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1rWdnV0ylZioI7DanZ2dnUVZ_sHinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>
>
> iphone is a teenagers toy...
>
>

Best demographic target for fashion victim wares...

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:01:57 -0700, "Ness Net"
<richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:

Total BS against Leopard, which is totally irrelavant to this
Newsgroup

Ron wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:01:57 -0700, "Ness Net"
> <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
> Total BS against Leopard, which is totally irrelavant to this
> Newsgroup


Then call off your AAPL trolls since they don't want to have to smell
the iBrick crap they drop here.

News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> none wrote:
>
> > the truth hurts sometime
> >
> > The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
> > Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
> > Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton. PDAs are sometimes
> > referred to as "Palms", "Palm Pilot" or "Palm Tops"
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History
>
> Oh, and who made that edit, Oxford? Another fanboi? Corporate?
>
> As you say, the truth can hurt.

yes, and he edited these 83 references as well, that oxford is amazing!

http://snipurl.com/1t4ij

learn your history, the term PDA came directly from Apple.

"BG" <borje@hotmail.com> wrote:

> iphone is a teenagers toy... nice looking but very little of a phone...

it's currently the world's most powerful smartphone, you'll be shocked
at how well designed it is. europe and asia is around a decade behind in
features, size and usability.

europe will all a buzz about from next week on. both the UK and Germany
are going to start having them next week.

Get Ready for iPhone
iPhone arrives on June 29. iPhone features an amazing mobile phone, is
the best iPod we've ever created, and puts the Internet in your pocket
with desktop-class email, web browsing, searching, and maps. And iPhone
makes it all easy to use with its revolutionary multi-touch user
interface. iPhone syncs with your PC or Mac just like an iPod, so
organizing your content now will help you start calling, texting,
emailing, surfing, listening, and watching even faster when you get your
iPhone. Here are a few suggestions to help you get ready:

Contacts
Making a call with iPhone is as simple as tapping a name. You won't need
to re-enter all your contacts because iPhone syncs with the address book
you already use on your computer‹Address Book or Entourage on a Mac, or
Outlook or Outlook Express on a PC. If you keep your contacts on the web
using Yahoo! Address Book, iPhone can sync with them, too. To get ready
for iPhone, organize your contacts in one of these applications and make
sure they're up to date with the latest phone numbers and email
addresses. If you don't have contacts on your computer, don't worry. You
can still enter them directly into iPhone.

Calendar
Using its built-in calendar, iPhone lets you check your appointments
with the flick of a finger. iPhone uses iTunes to sync with the calendar
application you already use on your computer‹iCal or Entourage on the
Mac, or Outlook on a PC‹just like it does with your contacts. If you
don't already use one of these applications to manage your appointments,
now is a great time to start, so you'll be ready to sync when your
iPhone arrives. If you choose not to use a calendar program, that's OK.
You'll be able to enter appointments directly into the iPhone calendar.

Email
iPhone is the first phone to come with a desktop-class email
application. So now your phone can display rich HTML email with graphics
and photos alongside the text. iPhone will even fetch your latest email
every time you open the application and automatically retrieve your
email on a set schedule, just like a computer does. iPhone works with
the most popular email systems‹including Yahoo! Mail, Gmail, AOL, and
..Mac Mail. If you're not already using one of these services, now would
be a great time to get an account. iTunes will make email setup on
iPhone a breeze by automatically syncing the settings from email
accounts stored in Mail on a Mac or Outlook on a PC. Don't worry if
you're not on one of these email services; iPhone also works with almost
any industry-standard POP3 and IMAP email system.

Photos
iPhone has a 2-megapixel camera and a gorgeous 3.5-inch display, so it's
a great way to enjoy and show off your digital photos. iPhone uses
iTunes to sync your photos from iPhoto on a Mac or Adobe Photoshop
Elements, Adobe Photoshop Album, or any picture folder on a PC. You can
carry thousands of photos on iPhone, but you can start by creating an
album or two with 50 to 100 of your favorite photos, so that when you
first sync your iPhone, you'll be ready to quickly show off some of your
best shots.

Music and Video
iPhone is the best iPod ever. Its beautiful, 3.5-inch widescreen display
allows you to easily enjoy the music, TV shows, and movies you have in
your iTunes library. If you already use iTunes, you can start getting
ready for iPhone by creating a playlist of a few hundred of your
favorite songs. If you don't have iTunes, now is a good time to download
it and start a music and video library. That way, when you sync your
iPhone with iTunes, you'll be able to take your favorite music, as well
as a few of your TV shows and movies, with you wherever you go.

iTunes Account
To set up your iPhone, you'll need an account with Apple's iTunes Store.
If you already have an iTunes account, make sure you know your account
name and password. If you don't have an account, you should set one up
now to save time later. To set up an account, launch iTunes, select the
iTunes Store, and click the Sign In button in the upper right corner of
iTunes. Sign in and you're ready to go.

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/easysetup/getready.html

http://www.apple.com/de/iphone/easysetup/getready.html

France is later in the month. Orange won the iphone account there.

none wrote:
> News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>none wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the truth hurts sometime
>>>
>>>The term "personal data assistant" was first used on January 7, 1992 by
>>>Apple Computer CEO John Sculley at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las
>>>Vegas, Nevada, referring to the Apple Newton. PDAs are sometimes
>>>referred to as "Palms", "Palm Pilot" or "Palm Tops"
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...istant#History
>>
>>Oh, and who made that edit, Oxford? Another fanboi? Corporate?
>>
>>As you say, the truth can hurt.
>
>
> yes, and he edited these 83 references as well, that oxford is amazing!
>
> http://snipurl.com/1t4ij
>
> learn your history, the term PDA came directly from Apple.



That term is significant, why? It represents a product phase, at best.

News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> Best demographic target for fashion victim wares...

except the interesting thing about apple products is how it "looks" is
how it works as well. apple does "complete design", no other
cell/handset maker can do that since they don't control the entire
product. or are locked into old software systems (sybian) whereas apple
is running OSX under the hood which is by far the most popular unix in
the world so they can modernize the iphone as time goes on... other cell
phones are pretty much "stuck in time" when you purchase them. not the
iphone!

when you get a chance to touch, see, use one you'll understand what all
the excitement is about.

the "future" of all cell phones lands in europe next week.

november 9th to be exact.

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/

http://www.apple.com/de/iphone/

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > > How is it, then, that you're not spamming? Tell us more.
> >
> > So, Elmo... who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> > in Steve Jobs's world?
>
> Many of us know the answer. We're waiting for YOU, the expert on the
> history of Apple Computer and personal computing, to tell us.

nobody knows but you Elmo, this is your story and I have you clearly
painted into a corner. Nobody else knows or they would have come forward
with your "secret" by now.

> After all, you ARE an expert, right? You've spent months telling
> everyone that.

Yes, I'm an expert on Apple's history and Adele doesn't appear anywhere
in it except for putting out refreshments and cookies when Apple came to
town. She's a nobody in the Apple realm, everyone knows that.

Except you.

none wrote:

> News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Best demographic target for fashion victim wares...
>
>
> except the interesting thing about apple products is how it "looks" is
> how it works as well.


Yeah, right, Oxford. Fashion is fleeting and fickle.

Many now reporting they tried the iBrick and got over it fast.

Oxford wrote:

> She's a nobody in the Apple realm, everyone knows that.
>



Sorta like you, eh, Oxie?

But you're trying hard, desperately hoping someone will notice.

Don't hold your breath.

News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> > learn your history, the term PDA came directly from Apple.
>
> That term is significant, why? It represents a product phase, at best.

correct, and I'm not disputing that. my comment is that the term PDA
which is still in use today came from Apple, and while no PDA today has
the "A" (Assistant) feature that the newton had, it still remains the
acronym used by many to categorize a certain class of device.

News <News@Groups.com> wrote:

> Yeah, right, Oxford. Fashion is fleeting and fickle.

yeah, kinda like when Apple brought the world the first mass produced
"PC", that sure was a fashion fad

and laser printing & fonts, that will never go anywhere they said when
apple introduced it to the world in 1985.

and the "world wide web" "just a fad" when Steve's NeXT box made it
possible.

then the iPod, just a flash in the pan when introduced 6 years ago, now
it's one of the world's most successful electronic devices in the
history of history.

now, the iPhone is a total game changer. all other cell phones became
obsolete on June 29th 2007. so you can complain all you want, but
apple/steve have done it again.

> Many now reporting they tried the iBrick and got over it fast.

yeah, just like it has the best user satisfaction ever recorded.

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/26812.php

An unprecedented 82% of iPhone owners reported being Very Satisfied with
their purchase, up 5-points since our previous survey in July and by far
the highest rating of any cellular manufacturer.

The only other company with a satisfaction rating above 50% is
Research-in-Motion / Blackberry (51%).

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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > Yes, I'm an expert on Apple's history and Adele doesn't appear anywhere
> > in it except for putting out refreshments and cookies when Apple came to
> > town.
>
> You keep saying that. Do you honestly believe it?
>
> That's a yes or no answer, btw.

Yes.

Until you prove otherwise. Still waiting for you to dig into your your
secret history books and show that it's a No.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > nobody knows but you Elmo, this is your story and I have you clearly
> > painted into a corner. Nobody else knows or they would have come forward
> > with your "secret" by now.
>
> Someone has.
>
> He even beat you over the head with it.
>
> Twice.
>
> You refused to see it.

i don't read or see every post. so could you repost the link?

thanks!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> > nobody knows but you Elmo,
>
> no, everyone but you apparently knows.

then how about someone posting the info?

why is it so hard for everyone, including you?

what "crucial" info are you hiding?

"Ron" <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:3bjri35mmcua0m7atqumj12p18toskcuig@4ax.com...
> ....... which is totally irrelavant to this
> Newsgroup

Exactly!!!!

Now.... Tell Oxford (and his sock puppets) the exact same thing.
Be VERY clear to him. Knock off the iPhone crap in the other groups.
We don't give a damn about the iPhone.

"Gene Jones" <jasin@janus.com> wrote in message
news:jasin-398452.21590103112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
> "Ness Net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, I do understand that you might not want to measure up to that
>> > level, but what they have to say is important. And spells the future of
>> > all other technical groups within the USENET hierarchy.
>>
>> Oxford - Stick to one name - you moron.
>> This sock puppet shit is indicative of what an ass you continue to be.
>
> I never use sock puppets, i only use Pen Names, get used to it.
>
>> I have no idea why you do it, but it really makes you worse than you
>> already
>> do.
>
> Why? Pay attention to the valuable content I offer, ignore the Pen Name
> since that matters the least within the packet of info provided.
>
>> Not quite as much as the actual content of your fanatical fanboy
>> fantasies.
>>
>> But certainly the sock puppets - along with the completely wacky shit you
>> post
>> show all who have to endure it - that you have a very tenuous grip on
>> reality.
>>
>> There are meds that can probably treat your disorder.... get help.
>
> Meds? I'm quite rational and post topical information. Try it sometime.

"Pen names" - my ass!!
They are SOCK PUPPETS - plain and simple. You can call then what
you want - it changes nothing. Just like your iPhone drivel. Why do you
feel you have to use multiple names? This is certainly schizoid or some
other mental disorder - there is no excuse for this.

The shit you post has NO value whatsoever. It is supposition, it is pure
fanatical fanboy fantasy and it is highly delusional. The fact that you feel
you have to pollute other groups with your fiction is indicative of just
what
a huge asshole you are.

David W Studeman <eat_your_own_spam@hormel.com> wrote:

> Apple really didn't invent anything.

well, they were the first to have a full web browser in a cell phone,
first to have multi-touch (similar of how people used computers before
apple made the mouse popular - it's the same level of advancement) first
to make a thin, huge screen, light device that has incredible battery
life. first one to put an iPod in a smartphone. first to figure out
smooth syncing on a phone to a computer, first to make typing on a flat
screen seem natural and accurate. first to use a "single button" on a
smartphone device making it far easier to use. first to tie together all
applications in a consistent way. but yes, other than that, they
invented nothing.

> Just marketed ideas, some dating back
> to the late 60's.

apple hasn't done a lot of marketing with the iphone, mostly the
"news/hype" comes from how great the iphone actually is. they hit a home
run by doing the hard work up front, then the product sells itself. no
other company can do that since they don't have the deep technical
resources like apple has.

yes, i agree many of these "ideas" have been around for decades, but
apple has a knack of making them into a usable "product"... nobody else
seems to be able to do that.

> Your real browser as it were, is based on KHTML which
> belongs to the KDE community. I couldn't consider a browser, regardless of
> rendering engine, being viewed on a screen only a tiny fraction the area of
> a typical 19" monitor, "real" browsing.

ah, iPhone's Safari while based on KHTML is a far cry from what is
available in the Linux world, they don't have WebKit, they don't have
high resolution screens, they don't have core graphics, etc. The iPhone
was the first to do a Web Browser correctly on a phone because of
Apple's in house talents, nothing relating to KHTML.

Multi-Touch is a marvel of modern man, sure it's a HUGE screen for a
smartphone, but Apple uses Multi-Touch in a way that with just your
fingers you can see, work, read an entire page with ease. No other cell
company will be allowed to do this for 17 years. So Apple basically owns
the browsing world on small screens for all that time.

> As far as wifi, the reason it typically draws less current is because most
> of them put out less than 100mw and you need to be within 500 feet of a
> Latte as it were for it to do any good. Cellular devices typically can
> output ten times that at 850mhz and twenty times that on 1.9ghz. There is
> no free lunch here. Power dissipation in watts is power dissipation and it
> does not matter how you arrived at a specific power dissipation. Of course
> if you are closer to a cell tower, the tower controls the output of your
> device and throttles it back. Translation: In a weaker area, you will use
> more battery power. With WiFi, it won't use much power because it doesn't
> have it to use in the first place. I do like the WiFi and the SIP phone
> feature of my chosen Multimedia Cellular device though so I'm not totally
> bashing WiFi.

Yes, but the density of WiFi is increasing far faster than Cell Towers,
so it's easy to see that the Cell World is obsolete in 10 years.
Companies like FON are totally making Cell Companies obsolete.

http://www.fon.com/en/info/whatsFon

> Seeing as how the rate of change is quite high these days, was 70% a year
> back in the 70's and I'm sure it is mind numbingly fast these days, there
> is no accurate way to predict what will be in vogue for the next decade or
> more and nothing that is used in the iPhone is earth shattering, it is a
> collection of existing technology with a marketing trademark slapped on it
> and a HUGE advertising budget.

We haven't seen much iphone marketing coming from Apple, sure some TV
commercials, but most of the "advertising" comes from people that own
them. It's a huge leap for everyone in the world, once people use them
they become a free advertising machine... just how it should be. Apple
simply builds the best smartphone on the market by far, the rest is free.

> To me, if it had a holographic virtual
> screen and virtual keyboard as well as virtual touch on the virtual screen
> in thin air rather than on the physical device itself, THEN it would be
> revolutionary. The problem with all these small multimedia gadjets is that
> you are limited to real estate a third the size of a paperback book, sorry
> but this won't do.

apple has been working on holography for decades so you'll see it when
it's ready. but apple was the first to create a usable virtual keyboard,
use gestures to move around, etc. yes, yes... the fantasy of air touch
is fine, or pure voice recogontion even better. but those aren't ready
for prime time, the only thing we do know is apple will be the first to
bring it to market on a mass scale.

the iPhone screen is H U G E - biggest of any smartphone to size ratio,
so while it appears you haven't yet touched an iPhone, you will soon and
then understand why the world is all going to the iPhone as the primary
pocket sized communication device.

-

Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote:

> >when you get a chance to touch, see, use one you'll understand what all
> >the excitement is about.
>
> I touched, I saw, I used (briefly), but I didn't see what the
> excitement was about. I'm thinking you have to have a pre-existing
> affection for Apple products in order to ignore the fact that there's
> not much of substance here.

nah, you need to take it home, sync it with your machine use it for a
few days before you say "damn! this thing is amazing". there is more
depth to the product than briefly touching / using it in a store.

get it home, then you'll begin to understand what all the excitement is
about.

and no, i could careless about apple as a company. i just like great
products, perhaps you don't?

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In article <jasin-C96836.11081204112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote:

> David W Studeman <eat_your_own_spam@hormel.com> wrote:
>
> > Apple really didn't invent anything.
>
> well, they were the first to have a full web browser in a cell phone,

In what sense are the browsers in Nokia communicators--mine is the
9300--not full? For that matter, I'm pretty sure the E90 was out before
the iPhone. There are lots of things wrong with it--I bought one and
then sent it back--but it seems to have both a full browser and a
suitable screen.

--
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Author of _Harald_, a fantasy without magic.
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David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:

> > well, they were the first to have a full web browser in a cell phone,
>
> In what sense are the browsers in Nokia communicators--mine is the
> 9300--not full? For that matter, I'm pretty sure the E90 was out before
> the iPhone. There are lots of things wrong with it--I bought one and
> then sent it back--but it seems to have both a full browser and a
> suitable screen.

it's a baby browser, it isn't showing you EXACTLY what you seen on a
real browser on a Mac or PC.

http://wapain.net/my/uploads/nokia9300.jpg

apple was the first to do it correctly on a phone, that's what i'm
saying.

http://www.thegeekbeat.com/wp-conten...1/iphone-3.gif

then throw in multi-touch and you have full access to the web. nokia
doesn't have near this level of sophistication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0vt6TvEho

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