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Old 08-30-2007, 01:58 AM
Larry
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Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in
news:slrnfdb7tu.8fe.nospam@debian.dns2go.com:

> Larry wrote on [Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:57:11 +0000]:
>> Michael Wise <no@spam.invalid> wrote in
>> news:no-DB457A.21442928082007@c-61- 68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:
>>
>>> There's probably more. How many people live in China these days?
>>>
>>>

>>
>> What percentage of the Chinese slaves making $10/week have
>> cellphones?

>
> There are over five hundred million active mobile phone accounts in
> China, as of 2007.
>
>

http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/china/geog/population.htm
According to this website's ticking Chinese population clock, at this
minute, there's 1,320,307,309 Chinese, breeding like flies. It's a good
political strategy the Mexicans are only starting to appreciate. They're
way behind.

So, lessee, 1320307309/500000000 = 2.64 people per cellphone. I just
can't believe there are that many Chinese who can afford a cellphone.
One must wonder, if this is true, what they are paying, if anything in
the communist utopia for cellphone service. 37.8% of them have
cellphones? Amazing...simply amazing.

Now, ask yourself, given you knowledge of how many simultaneous users all
three sectors of a cell can support on CDMA, how many of those 500M cells
can actually make a call?

http://www.cpirc.org.cn/en/eindex.htm
Here's the live ticking clock from the Chinese, themselves.
Notice how many more births tick up on the birth clock than the
population clock. Those undertakers gotta go home tired as hell!

Standby for the mass starvations.......GIF at 11.


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Old 08-30-2007, 02:29 AM
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:58:13 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>Now, ask yourself, given you knowledge of how many simultaneous users all
>three sectors of a cell can support on CDMA, how many of those 500M cells
>can actually make a call?


Are you trying to say you believe there is only one cell tower in all
of China?


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Old 08-30-2007, 02:38 AM
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"Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOSPAM@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote in
news:13dbcel16rt8264@corp.supernews.com:

> So if you hate capitalism so much, why don't you give up your
> citizenship and move to one of those oh so great (in your mind)
> socialist countries?
>
>


Didja ever notice how great the electrical system across America works in
a government-regulated system? I think my big UPS came on a couple of
months ago, but hasn't beeped since.

If I move from Charleston to Atlanta or Chicago or Seattle or San Diego,
the government-regulated voltage and frequency are the same so I can
enjoy all my electrical toys, anywhere in the country! I don't have to
contend with SCE&G running 220VAC 50Hz and Georgia Power & Light running
120VAC 60Hz. I don't have to buy a special converter to make my toaster
run off the oddball, competitive, independently configured electrical
system in Seattle or San Diego, either. I get there and they all have
the same plugs/voltage/frequency, wherever I go. Noone is running on
110VDC, like Thomas Edison wanted me to have. It's all multiphase Tesla
power on the grid.....the government-controlled, MANDATED power grid.

This was no accident. Edison Electric fought long and hard to keep
America on Direct Current. Edison, himself, electricuted many animals,
even an elephant in Central Park, NYC, to show the straying public how
dangerous it was to have alternating current in their homes. This house
and that house had AC from Tesla/Westinghouse. Those two houses over
there were wired to Edison's DC. You could see their lights dim as it
got dark. DC houses were easy to spot.

But, fed up with the complaints, the Federal Government stepped in
because the power was needed by all and FORCED them all, kicking and
screaming, to provide 115-0-115VAC, 60 Hz...not 25, not 50, not 30...60
Hz so that everybody's motors and transformers would work, no matter
where they moved to. IT was a FEDERAL DECISION, as it should have been.

A little later, Nikola Tesla, inventor of the AC power system your
computer is plugged into, using many of his inventions like transformers,
multiphase motors in its cooling fans...invented "radio". The Commerce
Department started getting interested in the national aspect and usage of
radio and Congress, finally, got off its dead asses and passed The
Communications Act of 1934, way, way after it was desparately needed.
The FCC was the result. At that time, unlike the political bullshit
appointees of 2007, the FCC was a collection of the finest radio and
telephone engineers, whos task it was to make sure that your phone would
work with all the other phones in America. These engineers decided,
quite well I might add, that all phones would ring on a certain AC
voltage and pair of frequencies and would use a certain DC voltage to
supply the loop current to all phones across the country, no matter which
phone company you paid, with a STANDARDIZED TELEPHONE SYSTEM. Phones in
Chicago could easily be connected to phones in Detroit or New York. The
keyword is INTEROPERABILITY, where all the crazy phone system schemes up
to that point, and there were hundreds of incompatible, unconnectable
systems, would be converted, kicking and screaming in many cases, to ONE
STANDARDIZED PHONE SYSTEM. The results was you could call anywhere you
wanted without crazy conversion schemes that ruined the call quality.
Radio underwent a similar transition from every-company-for-itself, all
doing what they thought was only in the company's best interest, to a
government-mandated and licensed system, controlled by the FCC. This
resulted in just ONE radio in your home that would tune ALL the stations,
not just the ones the radio manufacturer got bribed to play, like before.
There used to be fixed-tuned radios that would only play one
station....sorta like that shitty cellphone in your pocket being locked
up to one carrier for his financial benefit, no matter whether it makes
calls or not.

When FM radio was invented in WW2, the FCC was, again, the STANDARDIZING
control that decided, with the input of the radio industry, what
frequency band, carrier deviation, modulation index, audio bandwidth,
channel separation, and who got a license on this channel for your area.
This meant that, again, ONE radio would play ALL the stations because ALL
of them were using the SAME STANDARDIZED FM SYSTEM. Your FM radio, like
your AM radio before it, would play ALL the stations on the air! What a
concept! SOCIALISM!

TV started out with some really crazy ideas...spinning disks, strobing
lights, scanning electron beams, none of which would play ALL the
channels on ALL the TVs in ALL the homes. The FCC, once again to the
benefit of all, with the input but not control of the broadcasters and
radio manufacturers, decided WHICH TV system would be allowed on the
PUBLIC's airwaves. It was called NTSC. It's aural transmitter was 4.5
Mhz above its visual transmitter in frequency. It used a STANDARD set of
"channels", just like FM. These frequencies were guarded by the FCC,
just like all the radio channels before it, so that only ONE station was
in a geographical area, eliminating interference (and competition by the
way). NTSC has 525 lines, 30 frames per second, interlaced scanning of
every other line, a standardized vertical and horizontal sync. Later,
when color was invented, FCC decided, once again, that we would use a
STANDARD 3.579545 Mhz, lower resolution, suppressed carrier sideband
scheme to add color information to the analog signal because there were
gaps in the video sidebands not being used. This was a GOVERNMENT
decision. These decisions meant your ONE TV could watch NBC, CBS, FOX,
Mama's TV, Tire and Haircare...everyone's TV transmitter was sending out
the SAME SIGNAL!.....by FCC DECREE! You didn't need, like your shitty
cellphone, a different TV with a different frequency band and modulation
scheme to watch NBC on one and CBS on another. (Different systems were
used in Europe and Asia to prevent one countries population from watching
another countries TV channels their governments couldn't block coming
across the borders. They had names like SECAM, PAL, etc. There was even
PAL 1, PAL 2, etc. Russians and East Germans had to hack their
TVs....just like Americans are hacking their shitty cellphones...so they
could watch West German TV. But, in America, you could move across the
whole country, even into Canada and Mexico and most all of Central
America with ONE TV every transmitter was COMPATIBLE WITH. When I was a
kid in upstate NY, I delighted in TV DX, staying up way late at night
tuning my father's Zenith so carefully and rotating the monster
antenna...waking the whole house when Canadian TV skipped into our little
town....They had the same TV as we did!

Nope....This bullshit, and it is real bullshit, of having "competition"
in cellphone systems since AMPS was replaced by all these INCOMPATIBLE
digital schemes, by a complacent FCC run by lawyers, whos only aim is to
sell off the public's airwaves and public control of them to the various
corporate bastards, obviously paying them to do so, has hurt America,
greatly. My cellphone only works on one or two systems, not all of them
like it did on AMPS. I lost control of my cellphone to the corporate
bastards the minute I agreed to go digital with GTE. Then, THEY decided
I couldn't use anyone else's even compatible system with their PRLs and
forbidden statements in them....resulting in DEAD PHONES and WORSE
COVERAGE all across America.

Bullshit, America.......WE CAN DO BETTER!



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Old 08-30-2007, 02:57 AM
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:54:25 -0700, Michael Wise <no@spam.invalid> wrote:


>In article <slrnfdc16l.d32.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
> AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:


>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:36:47 -0700, Michael Wise <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >In article <slrnfdaqv8.dgr.aznomad.2@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
>> > AZ Nomad <aznomad.2@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:

>>
>> >> On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:44:30 -0700, Michael Wise <no@spam.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >In article <Xns999AD7D12FF73noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
>> >> > Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in
>> >> >> news:1jOAi.109566$TW6.69968@newsfe06.phx:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Yup, that is my case and point. But Sprint users can just go into the
>> >> >> > menu and set their phone to permanent roaming if they want. I do it
>> >> >> > everywhile just for the fun of it, but usually go back to using the
>> >> >> > native sprint service because it is better here in southern
>> >> >> > california.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've always thought CDMA sucks because if it was so wonderful, everyone
>> >> >> would be using it....not just 3 in the States....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Well in addition to having the biggest US marketshare, CDMA is also in
>> >> >the following countries:
>> >>
>> >> >Bangladesh
>> >> >Brazil
>> >> >Canada
>> >> >China
>> >> >Czech Republic
>> >> >Estonia
>> >> >India
>> >> >Indonesia
>> >> >Kenya
>> >> >Latvia
>> >> >Malawi
>> >> >Mexico
>> >> >Moldova
>> >> >Morocco
>> >> >Nepal
>> >> >New Zealand
>> >> >Norway
>> >> >Pakistan
>> >> >Portugal
>> >> >Romania
>> >> >Russia
>> >> >South Africa
>> >> >Sri Lanka
>> >> >Ukraine
>> >> >Venezuela
>> >>
>> >> All pinacles of state of the art technologies. If it's good enough for
>> >> kenya, it's good enough for you, is that it?

>>
>>
>> >Wow, why not go down the list and add a derogatory comment for every
>> >country listed.

>>
>> The list speaks for itself and not in a positive way.




>I see, so you have a negative viewpoint of the majority of cell users in
>the U.S. (over 50% of the US uses CDMA), Canada, big chunks of Eastern
>Europe, and a lot of developing countries who have poor landline
>infostructure and need solid cellular.


How the fuck do you jump from saying that a country that has a poor landline
infrastructure must have a great cellular network and thus be a model
example?

A see a backward ass country being just that: a backward ass country.
Nothing less. Nothing more. and certainly nothing to run out and
immitate.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:58 AM
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Todd Allcock wrote:
> That explains why the NTSC American TV standard was so lousy compared
> to Europe's PAL and SECAM standards. The FCC mandated that any color
> standard adopted in the US had to be backwards-compatible with the
> millions of black-and-white sets already in use


Back then, a decent B&W television cost $350. A decently-paid family made
$12,000 per year, or $1,000 per month, or $700 after taxes. And lobbyists
weren't able to purchase Congresscritters nearly as easily as today.

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Old 08-30-2007, 03:11 AM
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At 30 Aug 2007 00:58:13 +0000 Larry wrote:

> So, lessee, 1320307309/500000000 = 2.64 people per cellphone. I

just
> can't believe there are that many Chinese who can afford a cellphone.



It's believable when you consider the cost of a product or service is
based, in part, on what the market will bear. The third-world has an
amazing cellular market penetration, as many users who've never had a
landline leapfrog right to wireless. Companies like Nokia and
Motorola are tripping over themselves to see who can produce the
cheapest, most featureless handsets to supply to countries like
India. Both offer phones that can be sold wholesale to carriers for
less than $40. (Phones that to us would look "ancient" with two-line
monochrome LCD screens!)

> One must wonder, if this is true, what they are paying, if anything

in
> the communist utopia for cellphone service. 37.8% of them have
> cellphones? Amazing...simply amazing.



According to PrepaidgGSM.net, prepaid users pay 0.013 Euros for local
calls, and 0.029 for LD. Much cheaper than any prepaid provider here
in the US. I assume monthly plans are similarly lower than ours.



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or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:28 AM
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"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:memBi.119420$xx1.33627@newsfe09.phx...
>
> "TeddeLI" <Spam@nospam.neat> wrote in message
> news:mn.e3f17d780d964d54.69402@nospam.neat...
>> Jim Dubya presented the following explanation :
>>> "Hertz_Donut" <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ctidnUbqRKklV07bnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
>>>> "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6kEAi.148742$zz2.60899@newsfe12.phx...
>>>>> Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal.
>>>>> Explain that.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
>>>>> news:q006d3dp7k64dvd712pe1adn22ecnvv52j@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
>>>>>> <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am now using Verizon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>>>>>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon
>>>>>> coverage,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It could be any number of things:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The Sprint tower is nearer to your house.
>>>> 2. The Verizon phone you had was not one that was good for reception.
>>>> 3. The Verizon phone was not using an update PRL that gave you ability
>>>> to
>>>> connect to the tower in your area.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, I stand by my claim....Verizon is *FAR* better than
>>>> Sprint,
>>>> in network and customer service and support.
>>>>
>>>> Honu
>>>>
>>> Verizon sent a a technicial to evaluate the signal quality in my
>>> neighborhood. They contacted me and told me that they could not provide
>>> reliable service in my neighborhood because the signal was too low. They
>>> also terminated me as a customer and waived the ETF because they
>>> couldn't
>>> provide reliable service. That is when I switched to Sprint.
>>>
>>> BTW: I don't understand how you can say that Verizon is better than
>>> Sprint.
>>> I can go into the Roaming Menu on my Sprint Phone and set the phone to
>>> "Roaming Mode". It will roam on Verizon reglardless of whether I have a
>>> Sprint signal. Therefore, I have the best of both worlds. Verizon phones
>>> cannot roam on Sprint and cannot be forced into roaming mode at all.
>>> They
>>> will appempt to hold-on to a Verizon signal even if that signal is
>>> unusable.
>>> Does that make sense?
>>>
>>> "It's the Network!"
>>>
>>>>

>>
>> Why don't you just set the roaming indicator on your newsreader to
>> another group. You are just so wonderful that you can set the roaming
>> indicator on your Sprint phone to roam. You've said it over and over
>> again.
>>
>>

>
> I have said it over and over again and some folks here still don't get it!
>


Perhaps it's just that no one listens to a thing you say.....

Honu



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Old 08-30-2007, 06:56 AM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
On 2007-08-29, Jim Dubya <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:

> I have said it over and over again and some folks here still don't get it!


Most people probably stopped listening after the second, third or maybe
tenth time you said it; it's become quite obnoxious.


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Old 08-30-2007, 01:56 PM
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Ness_net wrote:
> Probably one of the fastest growing economies on the planet.
> Hard to do if all are "slaves"....


Can we say "von Neumann machines"

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:00 PM
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AZ Nomad wrote:
> How the fuck do you jump from saying that a country that has a poor landline
> infrastructure must have a great cellular network and thus be a model
> example?


The radio and cellular trade magazines occasionally refer to the explosion
of cellular growth in countries that have a practically non-existent wired
landline infrastructure.

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Old 08-30-2007, 02:02 PM
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Todd Allcock wrote:
> It could be easily argued, for example, that the sparsely-populated,
> but geographically large Kenya, should be more concerned with the
> range advantages of CDMA


Add Australia to your CDMA list for the same reason.


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Old 08-30-2007, 02:03 PM
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The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> Are you trying to say you believe there is only one cell tower in all
> of China?


Yeah...haven't you heard of "The Great Tower of China"?

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Old 08-30-2007, 03:24 PM
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In article <WJpBi.44$D47.38@fe089.usenetserver.com>, Todd Allcock wrote:
> It's believable when you consider the cost of a product or service is
> based, in part, on what the market will bear. The third-world has an
> amazing cellular market penetration, as many users who've never had a
> landline leapfrog right to wireless. Companies like Nokia and
> Motorola are tripping over themselves to see who can produce the
> cheapest, most featureless handsets to supply to countries like
> India. Both offer phones that can be sold wholesale to carriers for
> less than $40. (Phones that to us would look "ancient" with two-line
> monochrome LCD screens!)

The same is now happening here. Many new families/individuals
are going for cellular only packages. for for the styles of phone... I
will take one of those basics please. I don't need color. I don't need
zillions of ring tones or web access. A b&W camera would be OK too for
the few snaps I actually shoot, I have a Pentax K1000
SLR with Kodak BWCN400 film loaded for this purpose. the phone has
to be BIG and easilly handled by this legally blind user (I am a two
handed cell phone user).
Seems that the whiz bang superphones don't appeal to every
one. I may pick up a Nokia 1100 just for the hell of it. Gotta go find
the non-tracfone version though. but I admit. my Nokia 6340i works
pretty damn well with T-mobile. and my Alltel Nokia 3585i is doing equally
well on CDMA. I even have considered a Motelona 158x (its a motorla
GSM phone mounted in a retro style Motorola Brick case.) but I
got other uses planned for my renters rebate.

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Old 08-30-2007, 03:40 PM
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DTC wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> It could be easily argued, for example, that the sparsely-populated,
>> but geographically large Kenya, should be more concerned with the
>> range advantages of CDMA

>
> Add Australia to your CDMA list for the same reason.


Except that they are shutting down their "regular" CDMA network in the
outback. The replacement is still CDMA, but GSM flavor CDMA (W-CDMA),
which they have dubbed "Next G."

The world is moving the CDMA, one way or another. The technical
advantages are overwhelming. The European carriers wanted to move long
ago, but their governments wouldn't let them.

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Old 08-30-2007, 09:30 PM
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At 30 Aug 2007 14:24:19 +0000 B'ichela wrote:

> The same is now happening here. Many new families/individuals
> are going for cellular only packages.


I did it too for about a year. I was never so happy to hear a real
dialtone when I moved and got a hardline back! I used to live in a
quasi-rural area outside Kansas City who's penny-ante phone company
charged me $50/month for a "metro" line, otherwise calls to/from KC
would be long-distance! I bagged it eventually and stuck my KC-based
Cingular phone into a "Cellsocket" to use my home phones through the
cellphone. It worked ok, but it was no landline!


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or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
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Old 08-31-2007, 05:50 AM
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On Aug 29, 5:58 pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote innews:slrnfdb7tu.8fe.nospam@debian.dns2go.com:
>

Larry must really live in a fantasy world. Depleted Uranium has been
used three times to destroy armored vehicles; In Desert Storm, in the
Balkans, on the run to Baghdad in 2003. How many Americans have a
tank in their backyard? If you don't have a tank, there is no reason
to use a kinetic energy penetrator which is only effective against
tanks. So much for bad science fiction and a wildly imaginative but
otherwise warped mind.


> Larry
> --
> How long will it be before the American Illuminati Government
> turns itsdepleteduraniumweapons on Americans?




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Old 09-01-2007, 12:53 AM
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Rhotel1 <rwhelbig@gmail.com> wrote in news:1188535810.926761.172530
@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> Larry must really live in a fantasy world. Depleted Uranium


YOU need to do a little homework on DU......(c;

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Old 09-01-2007, 03:45 AM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> Rhotel1 <rwhelbig@gmail.com> wrote in news:1188535810.926761.172530
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>
>> Larry must really live in a fantasy world. Depleted Uranium

>
> YOU need to do a little homework on DU......(c;
>
> Larry
> --
> How long will it be before the American Illuminati Government
> turns its depleted uranium weapons on Americans?



Anyone who believes that there is an "American Illuminati Government" needs
to do a little homework.

Honu


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Old 09-01-2007, 04:58 AM
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At 31 Aug 2007 16:45:08 -1000 Hertz_Donut wrote:

> Anyone who believes that there is an "American Illuminati

Government" needs
> to do a little homework.



The problem is that "research" doesn't work for conspiracy theorists.
Any information that disproves or disagrees with the conspiracy is,
by definition, part of the conspiracy...


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all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
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In article <7jGBi.22232$9W6.20626@fe103.usenetserver.com>, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 30 Aug 2007 14:24:19 +0000 B'ichela wrote:
>
>> The same is now happening here. Many new families/individuals
>> are going for cellular only packages.

>
> I did it too for about a year. I was never so happy to hear a real
> dialtone when I moved and got a hardline back! I used to live in a
> quasi-rural area outside Kansas City who's penny-ante phone company
> charged me $50/month for a "metro" line, otherwise calls to/from KC
> would be long-distance! I bagged it eventually and stuck my KC-based
> Cingular phone into a "Cellsocket" to use my home phones through the
> cellphone. It worked ok, but it was no landline!

Sorry about the long delay in followup. That is true. However,
in this day and age of mobility, most Americans do not see a value in
a hardwired telephone circuit to the Central Office. I run a BBS and I
used to have SBC/SNET (I am in Connecticut). Between the two phone
lines and the DSL I was forking out over $122 a month! plus another
$20 for AT&T's Long distance calling plans (forgot the name of it, but
it allows you to call anyone in the U.S toll free, worked great for
grabbing Fidonet packets )
Now I have a Alltel Cell phone, a prepaid T-mobile to go GSM
cell phone, Cable Broadband with VoIP from Cablevision. the
VoIP is just for the BBS to yak on, or an occassional outgoing call,
by me.
Because I am hardly home. I use my Alltel Cell phone as my
main line. My T-mobile prepaid ias my backup. Did I save money by
doing this? Not on your life! But now people can easily reach me no
matter where I am.

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Old 09-01-2007, 03:40 PM
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In article <Xns999BDD459BE8Anoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> Didja ever notice how great the electrical system across America works in
> a government-regulated system? I think my big UPS came on a couple of
> months ago, but hasn't beeped since...

Loved your article. but one thing I wish, would someone please
stop ramming Digital down our throats! For the reasons you mentioned,
if every cell phone was capable to supporting AMPS there would not be
these big gaps in coverage. AMPS should be a maintained standard Just
as 120 VAC 60HZ is. It doesn't mean people cannot improve on it if
they desire but if all phones could do AMPS we can all have a common
format to fall back on. If my GSM/AMPS phone cannot hit a GSM cell, it
can switch to Analog thus allowing me to make/recieve a call.
Now Analog TV will being going dark in 2009? What for? Granted
we have more empty spots on the dial in most markets to allow the
chanels to be moved closer together, but do we REALLY need to tell
everyone that TV will no longer be available to those who cannot
afford a converter box?
What is it with the current FCC having "Auctions" of our
frequencies", I was always told that the FCC just "organizes" the
blocks of frequencies by allocating Licensing. I Never heard of them
being a Frequency Ebay. I cannot afford to place a bid! their reserve
is out of my league. I asked them about establishing a LPAM (Low Power
Amplitude Modulation) radio station. They didn't offer that option.
Nor could I anyway since I am not a 501c3 not for profit organization.
I am an American Citizen. I wanted to establish a lower power AM
station to give people a respite from the A.M "Yak" radio thats around
Torrington Connecticut... Sadly I cannot even do so, not enough funds
to even get a 10 Watt License! (which they don't offer for A.M)
Sorry to rant and rave but what I see going on, I had to
release my pent up frustration. Our country is going to the dogs!
Greedy Curs with nothing but $$$$ for dog biscuits. I find this
detestable.

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Old 09-01-2007, 06:07 PM
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B'ichela <mdalene@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote in
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> In article <Xns999BDD459BE8Anoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> Loved your article. but one thing I wish, would someone please
> stop ramming Digital down our throats! For the reasons you mentioned,
> if every cell phone was capable to supporting AMPS there would not be
> these big gaps in coverage. AMPS should be a maintained standard Just
> as 120 VAC 60HZ is. It doesn't mean people cannot improve on it if
> they desire but if all phones could do AMPS we can all have a common
> format to fall back on. If my GSM/AMPS phone cannot hit a GSM cell, it
> can switch to Analog thus allowing me to make/recieve a call.


This isn't going to happen because the sole reason for "digital" is
channel sharing, increasing revenue per channel on every sector of every
cell. It was sold to the government regulators as a way to increase
capacity without having to increase bandwidth and stop the constant
complaints to FCC from consumers about busy, busy, busy signals on the
old AMPS system. AMPS was overrun, only in the cities of course, as the
industry and FCC grossly underestimated how popular relatively cheap,
(relative to IMTS at $4.50/min) was going to be. The consumer explosion
of cellular caught them all by surprise. So, the government bought it,
just like "global warming". To retreat, now, would be to admit they were
wrong. As with the global warming industry, this admission will never
happen. (HIV also doesn't cause AIDS because all AIDS patients don't
have HIV...and only a fraction of the HIV patients, which has been around
for millions of years, get AIDS. Once a government freight train leaves
the station, noone seems to be willing to pull the brake handles.)

No, the solution to your (our) problem is "resource sharing by force".
Let's say you have a license for the A band covering the whole state of
Iowa. But, you realize that if you build out the system to COVER the
whole state of Iowa, it's going to eat into your profits pretty hard.
You couldn't get a license just to cover Des Moines because the FCC
wanted people in the cornfields to have cellular service. This was fine
during the AMPS era because the corn farmers had installed AMPS phones
running 3 watts to tall towers spaced 20 miles apart. This didn't make
enough money for the corporations so they ignored it and convinced the
FCC to give them more years to build the infrastructure in the
cornfields. Of course, that was decades ago and the infrastructure was
never going to be built where it was less, but not un, profitable. We
wanted to build Des Moines and other high density, high profit areas and
resist building anything that doesn't say Interstate in the
country....exactly where we are, today.

The buildout time is way past. FCC and Congress, greased by CTIA bribes,
doesn't act in the interest of the public. Nothing changes. Service
sucks. At one point, FCC was making noises about re-regulating cellular
by force to improve service. The carriers, ever fearful the public will
take over their controls by law, started making agreements to share
resouces. (Remember when Verizon, Sprint and Alltel all roamed on each
others towers and you never had a dead phone for a while?) This cost the
carriers nothing, actually, but smartass consumers started noticing their
phones roaming onto X or Y in a lot of places where Z sucked and churned
to X in their area. This was also about the time FCC simply ended this
"these are OUR numbers and you can't churn with them" bullshit. So,
churning to X was far less painful. Grease flowed and the FCC stopped
making noises about the re-regulation. So, the carriers shut down the
in-market roaming to save churning and some roaming charges that X was
charging them as Z couldn't reciprocate with equal airtimes. So, now
your phone no longer roams on X or Y in the "dead zones" of Z....it says
NO SERVICE...or more correctly, it hears a faint Z it cannot use and we
reprogrammed it to say you had service in the faint areas you do not...as
everyone here knows.

So, the solution is for a purged FCC to FORCE them ALL to share resources
and take out all this forbidden system nonsense from their little PRL
controllers.....you know....like AMPS phones used to do they couldn't
control.


> Now Analog TV will being going dark in 2009? What for? Granted
> we have more empty spots on the dial in most markets to allow the
> chanels to be moved closer together, but do we REALLY need to tell
> everyone that TV will no longer be available to those who cannot
> afford a converter box?


The FCC has been wrestled away from its stoic engineers, who lived solely
to serve the public with great services in phone and radio and TV, long
ago. Political appointees were put in their place that have no idea what
a transistor looks like, to say nothing of how it operates. Pick any FCC
senior bureaucrat and shove him through the door of your favorite local
TV transmitter building. Tell him to put it on the air. Being a
political lawyer, he can't even find the light switch to say nothing of
the transmitter control sequences.

These political hacks work for the various bribing lobby groups paying
off the politicians, and the politicians, themselves. Nice boys, doing
what they are told, by the politicals being bribed. You get the picture.
They kicked all the engineers out of the building pointing out the
airwaves belonged to the PUBLIC, the reason we licensed them...like we
issue you a license if you meet our requirements to drive on the PUBLIC's
roads....so we can punish you by removing said license if you don't
follow the rules...set by the FCC engineers that made everything work in
the past.

Two things happened. Commercial consumer radio and TV that was forbidden
to be owned by just a priviledged few, those great little AM stations in
Podunk playing what the people wanted, were soaked up by Clear Channel,
who fired them all and installed a satellite link to play the drivel AM
and FM have become. They don't care what you want. They want a
transmitter that plays CONTINUOUS COMMERCIALS, as many as the ADVERTISERS
will tolerate, whether anyone listens to them or not. XM and iPod
smiles. TV also became the toys of a few huge conglomerates who cared
not for good broadcasting. They owned cable companies, too, making sure
noone had real programs on it any more...just SPAM.

Wireless radio services, like "business band radio", wireless telephone
services, did the same thing. Motorola built out trunk systems and the
FCC made it so you had to know someone and really kiss ass to get a
private radio license for your taxi company that DIDN'T involve paying
Motorola for a trunk radio system, which costs thousands, on their shared
trunks. You've all seen the results on cellular. A few ever-growing-
more-monopolistic megacarriers are buying up everything in sight so they
can control the markets. ATT-Cingular? GTE-Cellular One-Verizon? 360
Communications-Bell Atlantic-Alltel? Sound familiar? Big companies with
big money to buy big politicians and bureaucrats to do their bidding.
Now, where have we seen that before??....(c;

These political hacks were told by the politicians to divest the PUBLIC
of its PUBLIC airwaves as soon as possible to try to stave off the
tremendous Federal Debt of spend, spend, spend money we don't have for
stupidity like NASA, constant WARS to keep us in power and money for our
military industry friends, also bribing us. So, the FCC has constant
"auctions", your next paragraph below, SELLING the public's property off
for short-term financing of the Federal bureaucracy to these huge
corporations. The sales went so well, so profitable, so greedy, that we
needed to run the really-wide-frequency-band analog TV stations off most
of the channels so we can SELL them to the highest bidders, like
Qualcomm, Verizon, etc. If you search the FCC website, you can find out
how many frequency bands the Arabs have purchased in the USA! Most
interesting. Of course, if Z OWNS the frequency bands it paid millions
for across the country....it can do WHATEVER THE HELL IT PLEASES with
those bands. They're not PUBLIC airwaves any more. It would be the same
thing if we sold Canada Interstate 95! Canada could put up toll booths
every mile and charge us per minute....just like Verizon?

We haven't lost control of cellular/PCS......YET. But, it's coming.


> What is it with the current FCC having "Auctions" of our
> frequencies", I was always told that the FCC just "organizes" the
> blocks of frequencies by allocating Licensing. I Never heard of them
> being a Frequency Ebay. I cannot afford to place a bid! their reserve
> is out of my league. I asked them about establishing a LPAM (Low Power
> Amplitude Modulation) radio station. They didn't offer that option.
> Nor could I anyway since I am not a 501c3 not for profit organization.
> I am an American Citizen. I wanted to establish a lower power AM
> station to give people a respite from the A.M "Yak" radio thats around
> Torrington Connecticut... Sadly I cannot even do so, not enough funds
> to even get a 10 Watt License! (which they don't offer for A.M)


Hey! You're not supposed to notice this! It's done quietly...with
minimal publicity....between the political FCC hacks and buyers. Stop
making noises! What do you think it is, some conspiracy?

Big communications corporations, like Clear Channel, live to keep YOU and
anyone else interested in starting a broadcasting operation OFF THE AIR!
That's exactly what the FCC's LPFM appeasement program almost noone
outside a church or school, who are no threat to the National Association
of Broadcasters, can get licensed. NO, you can't get a 100W LPFM license
for Podunk and play what Mom & Pop used to play on WPDK-AM 1220 did
before they got bought out by CC! What, are you crazy?! Pirate radio
operators are tracked down FAR MORE STRINGENTLY than any other illegal
group and SQUASHED! They ARE a threat! They play MUSIC!

You'll never be a broadcaster. You might get a job at CC, though...(c;


> Sorry to rant and rave but what I see going on, I had to
> release my pent up frustration. Our country is going to the dogs!
> Greedy Curs with nothing but $$$$ for dog biscuits. I find this
> detestable.
>


Too late. The ruling elite (Freemasons, Skull&Bones, Bohemian Grove,
Illuminati) have already beat you to it. They control your MONEY, your
MEDIA, your GOVERNMENT and YOU. Their corporations are running America,
and the rest of the planet, now. Federal Reserve Bank Corporation, Bank
of England (and the other PRIVATELY OWNED AND OPERATED central banks) can
squash any opposition. Meyer Rothchild, one of the Superjews, said,
"Give me control of a country's money and I care not who makes its laws."

Of course, now they don't care how you vote, either. They just rig the
machines and have eliminated those nasty paper trails that might give the
public the truth.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Diebold

When was the last time you watched a REAL expose of any of this on the
MEDIA? Rupert Murdock News (called FOXnews) never said a word about it
until CITIZENS, and their bloggers on the internet, exposed it.

You just watch....real soon, the bloggers are going to come under some
special copyright law that says all words belong to this conglomerate or
that one.... They've GOT to shut this independent, uncontrollable noise
off! People are beginning to BELIEVE the bloggers!



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Old 09-02-2007, 07:36 PM
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In article <Xns999E8687AAF35noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry wrote:
> The buildout time is way past. FCC and Congress, greased by CTIA bribes,
> doesn't act in the interest of the public. Nothing changes. Service
> sucks. At one point, FCC was making noises about re-regulating cellular
> by force to improve service.

Funny how the FCC talks about Open Access for WI-FI and
everyone doesn't realize that some things should have been Open Access
from the start! and your cellular telephone is one of those things!
Seems thats why the providrs have created a tower of babel. GSM vs
CDMA vs WCDMA vs AMPS vs Iden (whatever that really is) is insane.
Europe standardized on GSM as they knew from the start that there had
to be a strong hand to keep the cellular providers on their best
behaviour. It took Europe a few years to nail the roaming fees and
at the threat of the EU mandating fees, the independent wireless
providers worked to lower the cost of roaming.
>
> So, the solution is for a purged FCC to FORCE them ALL to share resources
> and take out all this forbidden system nonsense from their little PRL
> controllers.....you know....like AMPS phones used to do they couldn't
> control.

How would you suggest we begin cleaning up the FCC? Where do
we start? How can we return Analog TV and Cell phone service to the
rightful place they belong. Should the U.S have its own mandated
standards of AMPS/GSM or should we mandate CDMA/AMPS as the national
standard? (Broadcom would HATE that move ;*)
> The FCC has been wrestled away from its stoic engineers, who lived solely
> to serve the public with great services in phone and radio and TV, long
> ago.

That sucks! considering that was their original purpose. We
need to restore or destroy this corrupt organization. Its time to do a
Political Bust. Smash down the doors and hang every one of them by
their testicals. after an trial by jury.
> These political hacks work for the various bribing lobby groups paying
> off the politicians, and the politicians, themselves. Nice boys, doing
> what they are told, by the politicals being bribed.

We need to perform an outright ban on lobbists. They are not in our
best interest in most cases. Politicians should simply ignore the
lobbyists wallets opening and use their heads to determine if it
really is a good idea to support the lobbyists agenda or not.

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Old 09-03-2007, 01:58 AM
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B'ichela <mdalene@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote in
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> How would you suggest we begin cleaning up the FCC? Where do
> we start? How can we return Analog TV and Cell phone service to the
> rightful place they belong. Should the U.S have its own mandated
> standards of AMPS/GSM or should we mandate CDMA/AMPS as the national
> standard? (Broadcom would HATE that move ;*)
>


I don't think this is possible any more because it's impossible to clean
up the Congress, as we saw early this morning with one of those
Republican Neocons copping a plea for the BJ in the men's room...(c;

Problem 1 is our vote means nothing as long as everyone we get to vote
for is the "lawyer of their choice", as I have put it for 20 years.
Doesn't matter which party or candidate wins. "Their guy" always wins
because all the guys are "their guys". Case in point, last Prez race.

Kerry - Freemason 32nd degree, Skull & Bonesman, Member Bohemian
Grove...a PC.
Bush - Freemason 32nd degree, Skull & Bonesman, Member Bohemian
Grove...another PC.

Which Freemason did you vote for. "They" don't care!...

If another Kennedy shows up, who's not a "member" and the right stripes,
well, then there's always Diebold to fall back on, right?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g
http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting

This will not be fixed. Just watch it. Voting is the new scam.

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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns999FD680D3621noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> B'ichela <mdalene@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote in
> news:Jnr7o4.A4y@pinkrose.net.dhis.org:
>
>> How would you suggest we begin cleaning up the FCC? Where do
>> we start? How can we return Analog TV and Cell phone service to the
>> rightful place they belong. Should the U.S have its own mandated
>> standards of AMPS/GSM or should we mandate CDMA/AMPS as the national
>> standard? (Broadcom would HATE that move ;*)
>>

>
> I don't think this is possible any more because it's impossible to clean
> up the Congress, as we saw early this morning with one of those
> Republican Neocons copping a plea for the BJ in the men's room...(c;


There was no "BJ in the mens room", although you may fantasize about such
things.




>
> Problem 1 is our vote means nothing as long as everyone we get to vote
> for is the "lawyer of their choice",


Your vote means nothing because you are too stupid to be able to make an
informed decision.

as I have put it for 20 years.

You probably haven't voted in that entire time. You are just a a whiner.


> Doesn't matter which party or candidate wins. "Their guy" always wins
> because all the guys are "their guys". Case in point, last Prez race.


See what I mean? You are indeed a complete idiot.

>
> Kerry - Freemason 32nd degree, Skull & Bonesman, Member Bohemian
> Grove...a PC.



And you believe the bullshit you post?


> Bush - Freemason 32nd degree, Skull & Bonesman, Member Bohemian
> Grove...another PC.


So you are saying Bush and Kerry are similar?

You have proven once again that you are a complete idiot.
>
> Which Freemason did you vote for. "They" don't care!...


Did you forget to put on the tin-foli hat this morning?


>
> If another Kennedy shows up, who's not a "member" and the right stripes,
> well, then there's always Diebold to fall back on, right?
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=aZws98jw67g
> http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting


No, the current push is to create Clinton aristocracy....


>
> This will not be fixed. Just watch it. Voting is the new scam.


Fot the vast majority of the folks who vote in this country, it is serious
business. You, on the other hand, believe the fairy tales being
fed to you by the liberal press, and you won't vote...which is their intent.
You are a good little liberal sheep.


(one last bit of advice...you should research what "depleted uranium" is).

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Hertz_Donut wrote:
> No, the current push is to create Clinton aristocracy....


Its still going to be an aristocracy, just a rebranding of the name. IMHO

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"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> Hertz_Donut wrote on [Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:15:12 -1000]:
>>
>> Fot the vast majority of the folks who vote in this country, it is
>> serious
>> business. You, on the other hand, believe the fairy tales being
>> fed to you by the liberal press, and you won't vote...which is their
>> intent.
>> You are a good little liberal sheep.

>
> You're believing the fairy tales being told by the right that the press
> is liberal. Which is their intent. You also are a good little sheep.




Wow! Another idiot chimes in....
and this one believes that the press is *NOT* liberal!
Justin, you have your head farther up your ass than was thought possible.

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Old 09-03-2007, 07:54 PM
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Whew...do you really think there's any difference between demopublicans or
republicrats. There is NO difference, they laugh at us behind their backs
in their own back rooms. Like it really matters who's in power. They're
one and the same, no room for Libertarians. They love that we separate them
into liberals and conservatives when they're for one thing....to stay
elected and keep putting cash in their pockets.


"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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> Hertz_Donut wrote on [Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:15:25 -1000]:
>> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrnfdocv4.2v3.nospam@debian.dns2go.com...
>>> Hertz_Donut wrote on [Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:15:12 -1000]:
>>>>
>>>> Fot the vast majority of the folks who vote in this country, it is
>>>> serious
>>>> business. You, on the other hand, believe the fairy tales being
>>>> fed to you by the liberal press, and you won't vote...which is their
>>>> intent.
>>>> You are a good little liberal sheep.
>>>
>>> You're believing the fairy tales being told by the right that the press
>>> is liberal. Which is their intent. You also are a good little sheep.

>>
>>
>>
>> Wow! Another idiot chimes in....
>> and this one believes that the press is *NOT* liberal!
>> Justin, you have your head farther up your ass than was thought possible.

>
> So, what you're saying is:
> Ba