Make them say "It's the Network"!

Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.

I make them say "It's the Network" because they are drinking so much Verizon
Kool-Aid that they just can't belive that their phone can't make a call or
is dropping the call. Sometimes they are so brainwashed that they even try
to blame the dropped call on the landline phone of the person that they are
talking with!! Can you believe that?!

Anyway, I make them say ":It's the network" and then I let them borrow my
phone.

BTW: I don't work for Sprint or have any connection to Sprint or Verizon
other than I was a Verizon/Airtouch customer for 10 years before being
forced to switch to Sprint becuse Verizon couldn't provide service to my
neighborhood in Southern Orange County California and therefore I had to
dump-them. 'Actually Verizon dumped-me and waived the ETF after
investigating my neighborhood and talling me that they cannot provide
reliable service in my area. I think that Verion has the best marketing
maching of any company in the world and I congratulate them for that
accomplishment. Their "It's the Network" marketing campaign has everyone
drinking Verizon Kool-aid by the gallons. This really fun! I was on Ortega
Highway (between Riverside and Orange County) with a friend last week to do
some astronomy. He wanted to call his wife and his Verizon phone had no
signal! I loaned him my Sprint phone after making him say "It's the Network"
and he was able to make the call. Just for the fun-of-it, I forced my Sprint
phone to roam on Verizon and showed him that I couldn't get any signal
either. He was rather impressed that I could force my phone into roaming
mode and is going to be switching to Sprint after his contract is up with
Verizon. I also work in a building in Carlbad California on Faraday Avenue
that has a very low Verizon signal. The Verizon Kool-Aid drinkers are
dropping calls all of the time in our labs at the office. I save the day by
loaning them my Sprint phone after making them say "It's the Network".

Boys and girls, is really important to be able to separate the wheat from
the chaf. The truth is that "It's the Network" is a wonderful marketing
campaign but there is no single cell phone service provider that is "the
best". The best cell phone service is the one that works the best in the
areas that you work, live, play, and travel. That is really the final and
ONLY truth!!

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call.
<snip>

You're completely full of shit.

A_C

Jim Dubya wrote:
> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.

Ever thought they might say "its the asshole" when you walk up?

Personally if you were in my car and asked me to say something so
stupid, you'd get removed from the vehicle. If you're REALLY lucky I
might even slow down before removing you.

Its the attitude, stupid.

PS - if you want coverage buy a nice dual band mobile ham radio rig
(2m/70cm) and a nice meaty amplifier and antenna. Burn a few hours
learning how to use echolink and you'll probably find you get much
better coverage with it than you do a cellphone. Of course, 1500W of FM
always beats 250mW of CDMA (plus the 800 band is pretty worthless, 1900
is completely worthless and should only be used for overlays... PCS-only
carriers SUCK) :P

"Agent_C" <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c8dmc318c83muslkidpt0buj3ke2t728uo@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>>there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>>can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call.
> <snip>
>
> You're completely full of shit.
>
> A_C
>

Agent_C,

It sounds like you need to have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid. You
are already "way--the-legal-limit" and seem to be very intoxicated on the
stuff! :Maybe you should make an appointment with a therapist and tell them
of your obsession with "It's the Network". They have helped many folks like
you and I am sure that there is hope for you but you may have to eat the ETF
and switch to another cell phone service. :-)

Best of luck and hope that you can successfully detox very soon. Now go back
to playing "secret agent man" and be nice. :-)

"Agent_C" <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c8dmc318c83muslkidpt0buj3ke2t728uo@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>>there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>>can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call.
> <snip>
>
> You're completely full of shit.
>
> A_C
>

Agent_C,

It sounds like you need to have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid. You
are already "way--the-legal-limit" and seem to be very intoxicated on the
stuff! :Maybe you should make an appointment with a therapist and tell them
of your obsession with "It's the Network". They have helped many folks like
you and I am sure that there is hope for you but you may have to eat the ETF
and switch to another cell phone service. :-)

Best of luck and hope that you can successfully detox very soon. Now go back
to playing "secret agent man" and be nice. :-)

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:08:13 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
wrote:

>Agent_C,
>
>It sounds like you need to have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid. You
>are already "way--the-legal-limit" and seem to be very intoxicated on the
>stuff! :Maybe you should make an appointment with a therapist and tell them
>of your obsession with "It's the Network". They have helped many folks like
>you and I am sure that there is hope for you but you may have to eat the ETF
>and switch to another cell phone service. :-)
>
>Best of luck and hope that you can successfully detox very soon. Now go back
>to playing "secret agent man" and be nice. :-)

Anything of substance to say?

A_C

I figured out long ago that this whole myth of "best coverage" and "best
customer service" was a case of mass delusion, probably brought on by the
"Can you hear me now?" campaign, which I actually do admire for its
effectiveness. I'm sure there are a fair number of other people who are
aware of this phenomenon. However, most of us are content to just go through
life with a certain quiet smugness about our resistance to clever
advertising. As for getting your kicks from forcing the VZW sheep to grovel
before you, I guess it's your phone and you have the right to set your own
conditions - or possibly you are just a troll with too much free time on
your hands - but in either case, really, you do need to Get a Life.

<balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aHGyi.154034$F02.49213@fe09.usenetserver.com. ..
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have
>> this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's
>> the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>
> Ever thought they might say "its the asshole" when you walk up?
>
> Personally if you were in my car and asked me to say something so stupid,
> you'd get removed from the vehicle. If you're REALLY lucky I might even
> slow down before removing you.
>
> Its the attitude, stupid.
>
> PS - if you want coverage buy a nice dual band mobile ham radio rig
> (2m/70cm) and a nice meaty amplifier and antenna. Burn a few hours
> learning how to use echolink and you'll probably find you get much better
> coverage with it than you do a cellphone. Of course, 1500W of FM always
> beats 250mW of CDMA (plus the 800 band is pretty worthless, 1900 is
> completely worthless and should only be used for overlays... PCS-only
> carriers SUCK) :P
>

If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone didn't
work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big TEN-FOUR good
buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell phone! :-)

P.S. Your conversations on those fancy CB Radios are not private. Did you
know what other folks can hear everything that you say when you are on
channel 19 talking to the truckers and lot lizzards? :-)

Also, PCS works very well when it is deployed well.

At 21 Aug 2007 16:19:43 -0400 Nick Danger wrote:
> I figured out long ago that this whole myth of "best coverage" and
> "best
> customer service" was a case of mass delusion, probably brought on
by the
> "Can you hear me now?" campaign, which I actually do admire for its
> effectiveness.

To be fair, however, such a campaign couldn't overcome a rotten
network.

McDonald's could launch a "Big Mac- it's better than a steak dinner"
campaign, and no one's going to walk around thinking- "they're right-
it IS better than steak!"

While T-Mobile and Sprint work in my neighborhood much better than
AT&T or Verizon, that's certainly not the norm. In my travels, when
I'm in a lousy reception area and most of us are cursing at our phones,

it's usually (not always) the guy with the Verizon phone making a
call while the rest of us are staring at the lack of bars on our
phones.

I say this as a happy T-Mo customer- the situation I described above
doesn't happen often enough for me to trade a two phones with 1000
minutes and unlimited data for $72 for better reception and a
$150/month bill! We all have priorities. Mine are inexpensive voice
and data, and the freedom to choose any equipment I want to use.


> I'm sure there are a fair number of other people who are
> aware of this phenomenon. However, most of us are content to just
> go through
> life with a certain quiet smugness about our resistance to clever
> advertising.

Again, advertising often can change your predisposition to a product,
but rarely overcomes personal experience. The Verizon campaign is
only as successful as it is because it's essentially true. Verizon
coverage isn't necessarily leaps and bounds above the others, but
it's usually as good as anyone elses, and sometimes better.


--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, Jim Dubya <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:


>Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
>problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
>Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.

You're a jerk. A complete knee-biter.

In news:k7rmc316kghttnt229klp2rdn5q44of636@4ax.com,
Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> typed:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:14:58 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:aHGyi.154034$F02.49213@fe09.usenetserver.com. ..
>>>
>>> PS - if you want coverage buy a nice dual band mobile ham radio rig
>>> (2m/70cm) and a nice meaty amplifier and antenna. Burn a few hours
>>> learning how to use echolink and you'll probably find you get much
>>> better coverage with it than you do a cellphone. Of course, 1500W of
>>> FM always beats 250mW of CDMA (plus the 800 band is pretty worthless,
>>> 1900 is completely worthless and should only be used for overlays...
>>> PCS-only carriers SUCK) :P
>>>
>>
>> If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone
>> didn't work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big
>> TEN-FOUR good buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell
>> phone! :-)
>>
>> P.S. Your conversations on those fancy CB Radios are not private. Did you
>> know what other folks can hear everything that you say when you are on
>> channel 19 talking to the truckers and lot lizzards? :-)
>>
>> Also, PCS works very well when it is deployed well.
>
> You're equating CB to a 1500W Ham rig??

The OP Does not seem to be in touch with reality about cell phones OR CB OR
a 1500W Ham rig.
Makes me wonder about all he has posted ;-)

AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, Jim Dubya <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
>> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
>> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>
> You're a jerk. A complete knee-biter.
>
Trolls tend to be like that. So why bother feeding them?

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:07:35 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:


>AZ Nomad wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, Jim Dubya <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
>>> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
>>> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>>
>> You're a jerk. A complete knee-biter.
>>
>Trolls tend to be like that. So why bother feeding them?

Trolls tend to be brighter than him. It takes some cleverness to get a
good heated argument going. He's just your basic jerk.

"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in
news:TcGyi.40126$Vk6.8264@newsfe07.phx:

> Anyway, I make them say ":It's the network" and then I let them borrow
> my phone.
>
>

Precious!

.....especially if you follow it up with, "Can you hear me now??!!", while
they're on your phone...(c;

Larry
--
I always loan my Alltel phone to Verizon customers inside WalMart where
Verizon's DEAD. 4 of them have turned in my customer referral cards so I
get my bounty!...(c;

I'll make 'em say, "It's the network.", from now on....(c;

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in newsYKyi.9040
$9W6.6284@fe103.usenetserver.com:

> McDonald's could launch a "Big Mac- it's better than a steak dinner"
> campaign, and no one's going to walk around thinking- "they're right-
> it IS better than steak!"
>
>

Obviously, you've never read the warning statements on the cardboard
sleeve a new fan belt comes in, have you? Warnings like - Turn off the
engine before attempting to replace this belt. You just KNOW someone
needed that statement, right? You could easily convince 30% of the
Americans like him that McDonald's greaseburgers were better'n steak.
Listen to any talk radio station for an hour and see what commercials
work great to sell Select Comfort $2000 air mattresses, Bose $2000 6"
speakers, etc.

People are really STUPID!......well, except for you and me.

Larry
--

Jim Dubya wrote:
> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aHGyi.154034$F02.49213@fe09.usenetserver.com. ..
>> Jim Dubya wrote:
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have
>>> this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's
>>> the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>> Ever thought they might say "its the asshole" when you walk up?
>>
>> Personally if you were in my car and asked me to say something so stupid,
>> you'd get removed from the vehicle. If you're REALLY lucky I might even
>> slow down before removing you.
>>
>> Its the attitude, stupid.
>>
>> PS - if you want coverage buy a nice dual band mobile ham radio rig
>> (2m/70cm) and a nice meaty amplifier and antenna. Burn a few hours
>> learning how to use echolink and you'll probably find you get much better
>> coverage with it than you do a cellphone. Of course, 1500W of FM always
>> beats 250mW of CDMA (plus the 800 band is pretty worthless, 1900 is
>> completely worthless and should only be used for overlays... PCS-only
>> carriers SUCK) :P
>>
>
> If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone didn't
> work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big TEN-FOUR good
> buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell phone! :-)

CB? What? that'd be 27 mhz, 11 meter, full of whores, whore lovers,
and mexican/south american skip noise. Your statement proves you're not
just an asshole, you're a stupid asshole.

Actually, with an attitude like yours I'd probably say it, then call my
PBX to make damned well sure to record your caller ID, then teach it to
randomly call you all sorts of the day and night and run a recording
about how much I appreciated when you let me use your phone... Yeah
buddy, enjoy that coverage!

Last time I 'broke down' (and my last experience with dealer mechanics -
a warranty is pretty worthless if you can't trust the mechanics to do
the job right) I was out in the middle of the Davy Crockett National
Forest a mile or two south of TX-21 on FM-227. Bottom of a valley,
hotter than hell, clear skies, and turning nightfall fast. No signal in
the car, -106 *at best* outside the car, phone strung up in the air.
1xRTT worked well enough to get help via AIM, then proceeded to bs on
IRC until the wrecker arrived...

While I sat there, there was a standard copper-based underground phone
ped a few yards away from me (there were no houses for at least a mile
in any direction, maybe two). Because of this I now carry cheap phones
in the car with insulation-piercing wire clips hacked onto the phone
wire. Cheaper than a proper field service handset, and works well enough...

While I was there I checked all the channels (field service mode +
*2280x combos) for CDMA service, and my old panasonic duramax couldn't
find anything on TDMA or AMPS (Cingular was just starting to deploy GSM
at this time, not that it works any better in this location today...)

> P.S. Your conversations on those fancy CB Radios are not private. Did you
> know what other folks can hear everything that you say when you are on
> channel 19 talking to the truckers and lot lizzards? :-)

You think your conversations on any phone network are private? Unless
you encrypt it in a completely proprietary fashon, assume everybody and
their dog is listening.

> Also, PCS works very well when it is deployed well.

Yep, but tmo won't put a repeater inside my house (for free)! A side
effect of our very good thermal insulation is absolutely awful RF
penetratability. Considering theres a WISP operating about 180' from my
home (on a 150' tower) I consider this insulation a good thing. Verizon
800 generally gets better than -95 in the house. AT&T runs dual
850+1900 here. Both work great around my home, I walk inside and the
1900 immediately disappears.

My impression from personal experience and following newsgroups is that
coverage varies with each carrier in different regions of the country.

In the Silicon Valley, Verizon provides me much better coverage than
Cingular used to. About 5 years ago a friend tried Sprint and complained
that nobody could understand him. He changed carriers (I'm not sure to
which).

My brother lives on a golf course in La Quinta, California. Verizon works,
but Cingular and Nextel are a problem. Sprint is unknown.

Years ago, Sprint began advertising that their long distance was 10 cents
per minute. The early commercials did not yet have the footnote that you
had to be a subscriber. I used the "pick code" to make my calls on Sprint.
They then billed me 25 cents per minute and refused to adjust my bill
because I was "a casual caller." Later commercials included the
subscription warning. I will never be a Sprint customer because they
cheated me.



"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:TcGyi.40126$Vk6.8264@newsfe07.phx...

<balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:IUPyi.191522$6Y2.136315@fe11.usenetserver.com ...
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:aHGyi.154034$F02.49213@fe09.usenetserver.com. ..
>>> Jim Dubya wrote:
>>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have
>>>> Verizon, there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because
>>>> they either can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever
>>>> they have this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them
>>>> say "It's the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make
>>>> their call.
>>> Ever thought they might say "its the asshole" when you walk up?
>>>
>>> Personally if you were in my car and asked me to say something so
>>> stupid, you'd get removed from the vehicle. If you're REALLY lucky I
>>> might even slow down before removing you.
>>>
>>> Its the attitude, stupid.
>>>
>>> PS - if you want coverage buy a nice dual band mobile ham radio rig
>>> (2m/70cm) and a nice meaty amplifier and antenna. Burn a few hours
>>> learning how to use echolink and you'll probably find you get much
>>> better coverage with it than you do a cellphone. Of course, 1500W of FM
>>> always beats 250mW of CDMA (plus the 800 band is pretty worthless, 1900
>>> is completely worthless and should only be used for overlays... PCS-only
>>> carriers SUCK) :P
>>>
>>
>> If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone
>> didn't work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big
>> TEN-FOUR good buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell
>> phone! :-)
>
> CB? What? that'd be 27 mhz, 11 meter, full of whores, whore lovers, and
> mexican/south american skip noise. Your statement proves you're not just
> an asshole, you're a stupid asshole.
>
> Actually, with an attitude like yours I'd probably say it, then call my
> PBX to make damned well sure to record your caller ID, then teach it to
> randomly call you all sorts of the day and night and run a recording about
> how much I appreciated when you let me use your phone... Yeah buddy,
> enjoy that coverage!
>
> Last time I 'broke down' (and my last experience with dealer mechanics - a
> warranty is pretty worthless if you can't trust the mechanics to do the
> job right) I was out in the middle of the Davy Crockett National Forest a
> mile or two south of TX-21 on FM-227. Bottom of a valley, hotter than
> hell, clear skies, and turning nightfall fast. No signal in the car, -106
> *at best* outside the car, phone strung up in the air. 1xRTT worked well
> enough to get help via AIM, then proceeded to bs on IRC until the wrecker
> arrived...
>
> While I sat there, there was a standard copper-based underground phone ped
> a few yards away from me (there were no houses for at least a mile in any
> direction, maybe two). Because of this I now carry cheap phones in the
> car with insulation-piercing wire clips hacked onto the phone wire.
> Cheaper than a proper field service handset, and works well enough...
>
> While I was there I checked all the channels (field service mode + *2280x
> combos) for CDMA service, and my old panasonic duramax couldn't find
> anything on TDMA or AMPS (Cingular was just starting to deploy GSM at this
> time, not that it works any better in this location today...)
>
>> P.S. Your conversations on those fancy CB Radios are not private. Did you
>> know what other folks can hear everything that you say when you are on
>> channel 19 talking to the truckers and lot lizzards? :-)
>
> You think your conversations on any phone network are private? Unless you
> encrypt it in a completely proprietary fashon, assume everybody and their
> dog is listening.
>
>> Also, PCS works very well when it is deployed well.
>
> Yep, but tmo won't put a repeater inside my house (for free)! A side
> effect of our very good thermal insulation is absolutely awful RF
> penetratability. Considering theres a WISP operating about 180' from my
> home (on a 150' tower) I consider this insulation a good thing. Verizon
> 800 generally gets better than -95 in the house. AT&T runs dual 850+1900
> here. Both work great around my home, I walk inside and the 1900
> immediately disappears.
>

You are a putz and with the email address that you are using, you seem to
also have the ego to go with the putzism. :-)

CDMA conversations are digitally encoded spread spectrum are private,
however it is possible for the CIA to "listen-in". Your ham radio
(overpowered CB that operates on 2m/70cm ) uses simple FM transmission and
can be monitored by any kid with a Police Scanner. As I said before, 1900
MHz works just fine if it is deployed correctly. A good example is the 1800
MHz GSM cell phone networks in Europe that work very well because they are
properly deployed. Does that make sense?

Keep the rubber side down good buddy and happy rendezvous with the Lot
Lizards, :-)

Best Regards,

Dubya

balsofsteele@gmail.com wrote:
> Yep, but tmo won't put a repeater inside my house (for free)! A side
> effect of our very good thermal insulation is absolutely awful RF
> penetratability. Considering theres a WISP operating about 180' from my
> home (on a 150' tower) I consider this insulation a good thing.

More likely you are well below the vertical beamwidth of the antenna.

Jim Dubya wrote:
> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message

> You are a putz and with the email address that you are using, you seem to
> also have the ego to go with the putzism. :-)

I've only ever heard two types of people use the word "putz" in real
life. One is older jewish men, the other is retards on the Internet
that watched Coming To America one too many times.

> CDMA conversations are digitally encoded spread spectrum are private,
> however it is possible for the CIA to "listen-in". Your ham radio
> (overpowered CB that operates on 2m/70cm ) uses simple FM transmission and
> can be monitored by any kid with a Police Scanner. As I said before, 1900
> MHz works just fine if it is deployed correctly. A good example is the 1800
> MHz GSM cell phone networks in Europe that work very well because they are
> properly deployed. Does that make sense?

Ok, so what you're saying is: $20 off ebay can monitor my ham radio, but
it actually takes some effort to decode cellular. No shit, sherlock.
Just because you can't buy the hardware to do the decoding for $20 off
ebay doesn't mean it isn't available.

End result is the same - neither is anywhere near secure.

> Keep the rubber side down good buddy and happy rendezvous with the Lot
> Lizards, :-)

Whatever, jew/retard.

BS

In news:6CFzi.156147$qj5.68459@fe19.usenetserver.com,
balsofsteele@gmail.com <balsofsteele@gmail.com> typed:
> Jim Dubya wrote:
>> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>> You are a putz and with the email address that you are using, you seem to
>> also have the ego to go with the putzism. :-)
>
> I've only ever heard two types of people use the word "putz" in real
> life. One is older jewish men, the other is retards on the Internet
> that watched Coming To America one too many times.
>
>> CDMA conversations are digitally encoded spread spectrum are private,
>> however it is possible for the CIA to "listen-in". Your ham radio
>> (overpowered CB that operates on 2m/70cm ) uses simple FM transmission
>> and can be monitored by any kid with a Police Scanner. As I said before,
>> 1900 MHz works just fine if it is deployed correctly. A good example is
>> the 1800 MHz GSM cell phone networks in Europe that work very well
>> because they are properly deployed. Does that make sense?
>
> Ok, so what you're saying is: $20 off ebay can monitor my ham radio, but
> it actually takes some effort to decode cellular. No shit, sherlock.
> Just because you can't buy the hardware to do the decoding for $20 off
> ebay doesn't mean it isn't available.
>
> End result is the same - neither is anywhere near secure.
>
No difference in security when using a device which can be received by a
$20.00 monitor from E-Bay and a $100,000+ Government only piece of
sophisticated equipment. http://rfdesign.com/mag/702RFDEF2.pdf

IMHO IIRC wrote:
> In news:6CFzi.156147$qj5.68459@fe19.usenetserver.com,
> balsofsteele@gmail.com <balsofsteele@gmail.com> typed:
>> Jim Dubya wrote:
>>> <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> You are a putz and with the email address that you are using, you seem to
>>> also have the ego to go with the putzism. :-)
>> I've only ever heard two types of people use the word "putz" in real
>> life. One is older jewish men, the other is retards on the Internet
>> that watched Coming To America one too many times.
>>
>>> CDMA conversations are digitally encoded spread spectrum are private,
>>> however it is possible for the CIA to "listen-in". Your ham radio
>>> (overpowered CB that operates on 2m/70cm ) uses simple FM transmission
>>> and can be monitored by any kid with a Police Scanner. As I said before,
>>> 1900 MHz works just fine if it is deployed correctly. A good example is
>>> the 1800 MHz GSM cell phone networks in Europe that work very well
>>> because they are properly deployed. Does that make sense?
>> Ok, so what you're saying is: $20 off ebay can monitor my ham radio, but
>> it actually takes some effort to decode cellular. No shit, sherlock.
>> Just because you can't buy the hardware to do the decoding for $20 off
>> ebay doesn't mean it isn't available.
>>
>> End result is the same - neither is anywhere near secure.
>>
> No difference in security when using a device which can be received by a
> $20.00 monitor from E-Bay and a $100,000+ Government only piece of
> sophisticated equipment. http://rfdesign.com/mag/702RFDEF2.pdf

Modern SDR kit that can capture an entire 10 mhz cellular carrier (for
later processing) is under $1k last I checked. Its not realtime, but
its close enough.

Its just a matter of programming. If it hasn't been done already, it
will be sooner or later. I still don't talk about things that I desire
any level of security with on the phone, its STILL the safest method of all.

Jim Dubya wrote:
> "Agent_C" <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:c8dmc318c83muslkidpt0buj3ke2t728uo@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have
>>> Verizon, there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone
>>> because they either can't get a signal or they keep dropping the
>>> call.
>> <snip>
>>
>> You're completely full of shit.
>>
>> A_C
>>
>
> Agent_C,
>
> It sounds like you need to have another tall glass of Verizon
> Kool-Aid. You are already "way--the-legal-limit" and seem to be very
> intoxicated on the stuff! :Maybe you should make an appointment with
> a therapist and tell them of your obsession with "It's the Network".
> They have helped many folks like you and I am sure that there is hope
> for you but you may have to eat the ETF and switch to another cell
> phone service. :-)
> Best of luck and hope that you can successfully detox very soon. Now
> go back to playing "secret agent man" and be nice. :-)

It sounds to me like you're the one more obsessed with the "it's the
network" slogan. You appear to have made this so personal.

And by the way, what's with the "Kool-aid" reference? Is that a reference to
the Jim Jones Guyana travesty of 30 years ago? If so, it would seem
inappropriate. Whatever you mean by it, you use it too often. It loses its
impact.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:32:19 -0700, Jim Dubya wrote:

> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.

Hmm. My experience is exactly opposite. Co-workers traveling with me and
another field guy with VZW frequently had to borrow our phones to call the
factory.

My company eventually dropped Sprint and went with VZW across the board.
Much better coverage across the USA.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:14:58 -0700, Jim Dubya wrote:

> If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone didn't
> work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big TEN-FOUR good
> buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell phone! :-)

My experience has been that if my VZW phone didn't work neither would
Sprint's.

"Traveling Man" <none@none.com> wrote in message news:ldlgj3hu2wnp.184m9qwggbfov.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:14:58 -0700, Jim Dubya wrote:
>
>> If your car was broken down on a deserted road and your Verizon phone didn't
>> work and your high-powered CB Radio didn't work (that's a big TEN-FOUR good
>> buddy!), you would say anything to use my working cell phone! :-)
>
> My experience has been that if my VZW phone didn't work neither would
> Sprint's.

Heh, heh. I've noticed exactly the same thing in northwestern Minnesota,
where VZW appears to roam mostly on Sprint's network.
When I lose Sprint coverage there, I automatically lose Verizon, too.
According to Jerome's posts, big areas of Wisconsin are like that, also.

"Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:TcGyi.40126$Vk6.8264@newsfe07.phx...
> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have this
> problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's the
> Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>
> I make them say "It's the Network" because they are drinking so much
> Verizon Kool-Aid that they just can't belive that their phone can't make a
> call or is dropping the call. Sometimes they are so brainwashed that they
> even try to blame the dropped call on the landline phone of the person
> that they are talking with!! Can you believe that?!

I think perhaps it is you that has been drinking the kool-aid.

I travel extensively, more than 200 days out of the year. I have had the
distinct
displeasure of having Sprint.

I have also used T-mobile.

I am now using Verizon.

Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
It is head and shoulders above Sprint.

There should be a law prohibiting comparing the two.

Simply put, Verizon is the carrier that Sprint wants to be when it grows
up...

Honu

How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon, alltel
and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense to me.

"Hertz_Donut" <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote in message
news:muKdnZe46sBGYU_bnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
> "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:TcGyi.40126$Vk6.8264@newsfe07.phx...
>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have
>> this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's
>> the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>>
>> I make them say "It's the Network" because they are drinking so much
>> Verizon Kool-Aid that they just can't belive that their phone can't make
>> a call or is dropping the call. Sometimes they are so brainwashed that
>> they even try to blame the dropped call on the landline phone of the
>> person that they are talking with!! Can you believe that?!
>
> I think perhaps it is you that has been drinking the kool-aid.
>
> I travel extensively, more than 200 days out of the year. I have had the
> distinct
> displeasure of having Sprint.
>
> I have also used T-mobile.
>
> I am now using Verizon.
>
> Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
> It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>
> There should be a law prohibiting comparing the two.
>
> Simply put, Verizon is the carrier that Sprint wants to be when it grows
> up...
>
> Honu
>
>
>

Verizon doesn't work at my house or office. Sprint gets full signal. Explain
that.

"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
news:q006d3dp7k64dvd712pe1adn22ecnvv52j@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:33:29 -1000, "Hertz_Donut"
> <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote:
>
>>I am now using Verizon.
>>
>>Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>>It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>
> I agree completely...my wife and I travel extensively to many parts of
> the country and have never been disappointed with our Verizon coverage,

Jim Dubya was thinking very hard :
> How can it be better than sprint when sprint will roam on verizon, alltel
> and many other cell service providers? That doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> "Hertz_Donut" <somewhere@outhere.net> wrote in message
> news:muKdnZe46sBGYU_bnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@hawaiiantel. net...
>> "Jim Dubya" <jimdubya@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:TcGyi.40126$Vk6.8264@newsfe07.phx...
>>> Whenever I am traveling with co-worker from my company that have Verizon,
>>> there are many times that they borrow my Sprint phone because they either
>>> can't get a signal or they keep dropping the call. Whenever they have
>>> this problem and need to borrow my Sprint phone, I make them say "It's
>>> the Network" before I let them borrow my Sprint phone to make their call.
>>>
>>> I make them say "It's the Network" because they are drinking so much
>>> Verizon Kool-Aid that they just can't belive that their phone can't make
>>> a call or is dropping the call. Sometimes they are so brainwashed that
>>> they even try to blame the dropped call on the landline phone of the
>>> person that they are talking with!! Can you believe that?!
>>
>> I think perhaps it is you that has been drinking the kool-aid.
>>
>> I travel extensively, more than 200 days out of the year. I have had the
>> distinct
>> displeasure of having Sprint.
>>
>> I have also used T-mobile.
>>
>> I am now using Verizon.
>>
>> Of the three, Verizon is the best for those who travel.
>> It is head and shoulders above Sprint.
>>
>> There should be a law prohibiting comparing the two.
>>
>> Simply put, Verizon is the carrier that Sprint wants to be when it grows
>> up...
>>
>> Honu
>>
>>
>>

Simply put, for you Sprint is best. For the rest of the US Verizon is
best.