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Old 03-26-2009, 08:53 PM
John Navas
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Default NEWS: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>

US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
year, with five more scheduled for 2010.

Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
services.

If all goes as planned, the cities to be added during 2009 include:

* Atlanta, Georgia
* Charlotte, North Carolina
* Chicago, Illinois
* Dallas, Texas
* Fort Worth, Texas
* Honolulu, Hawaii
* Las Vegas, Nevada
* Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
* Portland, Oregon
* Seattle, Washington

The five additional cities scheduled for a 2010 roll-out are:

* Boston, Massachusetts
* Houston, Texas
* New York City, New York
* San Francisco, California
* Washington, D.C.

[MORE]

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Old 04-03-2009, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
news:0jqns4pj6k9gikva56e5ljjq3eup8edh7q@4ax.com...
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>
>
> US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
> its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
> year, with five more scheduled for 2010.
>
> Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
> Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
> company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
> in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
> services.


Currently, I believe 4G services are truly unlimited (and not the
non-grandfathered 3G "limited unlimited" plans of 5GB per month), as they
have an exception posted on their site for 4G services that they do not
apply to the 5GB/month limitation.

Any ideas on if they plan on keeping this when WiMax expands beyond the
Baltimore test market? (As noted last year when it started up, it's a lot
easier to burn through 5GB at 4Mbps than it is at EvDO speeds...) If Sprint
has ambitions to use WiMax to compete with landline/cable data services it
seems they will have to, but who knows with them ;(

Let's hope I'm right and there are no "surprises" post-rollout!

-Doug

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Old 04-25-2009, 08:41 AM
Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to all fifty states- no PC requ
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Default Re: NEWS: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

On Mar 26, 4:53*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>
>
> US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
> its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
> year, with five more scheduled for 2010.
>
> Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
> Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
> company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
> in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
> services.
>
> If all goes as planned, the cities to be added during 2009 include:
>
> * * * Atlanta, Georgia
> * * * Charlotte, North Carolina
> * * * Chicago, Illinois
> * * * Dallas, Texas
> * * * Fort Worth, Texas
> * * * Honolulu, Hawaii
> * * * Las Vegas, Nevada
> * * * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
> * * * Portland, Oregon
> * * * Seattle, Washington
>
> The five additional cities scheduled for a 2010 roll-out are:
>
> * * * Boston, Massachusetts
> * * * Houston, Texas
> * * * New York City, New York
> * * * San Francisco, California
> * * * Washington, D.C.
>
> [MORE]


AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
all markets by June.

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Old 04-25-2009, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: NEWS: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

"Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to
all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> amazed us all with
the following in news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4
@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 26, 4:53*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>
>>
>> US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
>> its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
>> year, with five more scheduled for 2010.
>>
>> Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
>> Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
>> company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
>> in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
>> services.
>>
>> If all goes as planned, the cities to be added during 2009 include:
>>
>> * * * Atlanta, Georgia
>> * * * Charlotte, North Carolina
>> * * * Chicago, Illinois
>> * * * Dallas, Texas
>> * * * Fort Worth, Texas
>> * * * Honolulu, Hawaii
>> * * * Las Vegas, Nevada
>> * * * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
>> * * * Portland, Oregon
>> * * * Seattle, Washington
>>
>> The five additional cities scheduled for a 2010 roll-out are:
>>
>> * * * Boston, Massachusetts
>> * * * Houston, Texas
>> * * * New York City, New York
>> * * * San Francisco, California
>> * * * Washington, D.C.
>>
>> [MORE]

>
> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
> all markets by June.
>


No they're not. They are simply catching up to Verizon and Sprint in 3g
speed in those markets. Their current network does not have the bandwidth
capacity to provide real life 4g speed to a substantial number of users.
Get your facts straight.

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Old 04-25-2009, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: NEWS: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT), "Ooma is the Apple of
VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to all fifty states-
no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mar 26, 4:53*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>
>>
>> US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
>> its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
>> year, with five more scheduled for 2010.
>>
>> Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
>> Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
>> company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
>> in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
>> services.
>>


Except by the end of 2010 ATT will have Sprint beat with its 4G rolled
out.

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Old 04-25-2009, 03:18 PM
Ron
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Default Re: NEWS: Sprint preps 15-city WiMAX roll-out

On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:02:54 +0000 (UTC), The Bob <nospam@bob.com>
wrote:

>"Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to
>all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> amazed us all with
>the following in news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4
>@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Mar 26, 4:53*pm, John Navas <spamfilt...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26/sprint_wimax/>
>>>
>>> US telecom-services provider Sprint has announced that it will extend
>>> its WiMAX-based 4G wireless-broadband service to 10 American cities this
>>> year, with five more scheduled for 2010.
>>>
>>> Today, Sprint offers 4G service in only one test city: Baltimore,
>>> Maryland. Although that service is rated at a peak of 12Mbps, the
>>> company readily admits that true download speeds are more average more
>>> in the 2-to-4Mbps range - which still beats the pants off most 3G
>>> services.
>>>
>>> If all goes as planned, the cities to be added during 2009 include:
>>>
>>> * * * Atlanta, Georgia
>>> * * * Charlotte, North Carolina
>>> * * * Chicago, Illinois
>>> * * * Dallas, Texas
>>> * * * Fort Worth, Texas
>>> * * * Honolulu, Hawaii
>>> * * * Las Vegas, Nevada
>>> * * * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
>>> * * * Portland, Oregon
>>> * * * Seattle, Washington
>>>
>>> The five additional cities scheduled for a 2010 roll-out are:
>>>
>>> * * * Boston, Massachusetts
>>> * * * Houston, Texas
>>> * * * New York City, New York
>>> * * * San Francisco, California
>>> * * * Washington, D.C.
>>>
>>> [MORE]

>>
>> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
>> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
>> all markets by June.
>>

>
>No they're not. They are simply catching up to Verizon and Sprint in 3g
>speed in those markets. Their current network does not have the bandwidth
>capacity to provide real life 4g speed to a substantial number of users.
>Get your facts straight.



Nice try. By end of June, in time for the next iPhone, ATT will have 6
mbps 3.5G; with double the current bandwidth;
and 4G by the end of 2010.

http://ipcarrier.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-4g-nets.html

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Old 04-25-2009, 03:45 PM
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Ron <ron.clifford@peoplepc.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:1ba6v4llnpi81nki5qo2usinn8pf8nntts@4ax.com:

> http://ipcarrier.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-4g-nets.html


You link doesn't say anything about AT&T. Glad to see that you are still
the same stupid little troll.

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Old 04-25-2009, 04:03 PM
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"Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to
all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
> all markets by June.
>
>


Pure horseshit. 4G isn't anywhere close to what WiMax delivers.

http://gizmodo.com/5174718/exclusive...ed-speed-tests

Obviously, WiMax isn't built out as much as a sellphone system that's been
on the air for 20 years, but where they had a good signal, they had 9-
12Mbps download and 1.7 to 1.8Mbps upload speeds AVERAGE!

I'll kiss your *** right in front of the biggest TV station's cameras in
town the day you see a goddamned iPhone on ATTWS downloading anywhere close
to 9 megabits per second. You kiss my *** if it won't deliver.....even
from a bucket truck 10 feet from the sector antenna!

Deal?


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Old 04-25-2009, 04:16 PM
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"Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service to
all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
> all markets by June.
>
>


This quote from Portland looks ominous, though:

"Speaking as someone who has had clearwire (and someone who lives in
Portland) I wouldn't touch their service with a 10 foot pole.

They throttle torrents to 0 (you have to encrypt), their EULA is draconian,
and they require a 1 year contract.

They make comcast look cuddly by comparison. And my 20Mbit connection is
cheaper through them than clearwire's 1.5 mbit connection.

They can keep it. "

Just like sellphones....What good is bandwidth and technology if you're not
allowed to USE what you buy? The company's business plans always ruin
whatever technological advancement Americans ever see.....


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Old 04-25-2009, 05:10 PM
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At 25 Apr 2009 10:18:32 -0500 Ron wrote:

> >> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
> >> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
> >> all markets by June.
> >>

> >
> >No they're not. They are simply catching up to Verizon and Sprint in

3g
> >speed in those markets. Their current network does not have the

bandwidth
> >capacity to provide real life 4g speed to a substantial number of users.


> >Get your facts straight.

>
>
> Nice try. By end of June, in time for the next iPhone, ATT will have 6
> mbps 3.5G; with double the current bandwidth;
> and 4G by the end of 2010.
>
> http://ipcarrier.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-4g-nets.html



Believe it when you see it. AT&T's current 3G is theoretically capable
of 3.6mbps, IIRC, and most users are happy to get 1mb in real-world
conditions. When they "double" it next year to 7.2, you'll be lucky to
get 2. In a perfect world, and uncrowded system, you'd have fast
broadband, but your packets are competing with everyone else's they've
sold 3G service to.

I hate it when I sound like Larry, but it is physics- there's only so
much data bandwidth you can shovel into a finite amount of spectrum, and
we all have to share it.


It'll be interesting to see if Sprint/Clearwire can keep their speeds up
if/when the service fills with users.




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Old 04-25-2009, 05:45 PM
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At 25 Apr 2009 16:16:28 +0000 Larry wrote:
> "Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service

to
> all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
> > REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
> > all markets by June.
> >
> >

>
> This quote from Portland looks ominous, though:
>
> "Speaking as someone who has had clearwire (and someone who lives in
> Portland) I wouldn't touch their service with a 10 foot pole.
>
> They throttle torrents to 0 (you have to encrypt), their EULA is

draconian,
> and they require a 1 year contract.
>
> They make comcast look cuddly by comparison. And my 20Mbit connection

is
> cheaper through them than clearwire's 1.5 mbit connection.
>
> They can keep it. "
>
> Just like sellphones....What good is bandwidth and technology if you're

not
> allowed to USE what you buy? The company's business plans always ruin
> whatever technological advancement Americans ever see.....



Gee, I'm glad we didn't have that ***-kissing deal you're trying to
strike with Ron, when I told you this is what would happen a year ago. I
don't want your mouth anywhere near my ***! ;-)


And seriously, I'm not surprised, nor would I be upset. A wireless
network doesn't have the same capacity as a wired network like DSL or
cable, so they need to protect their "typical" users from users, like,
well, YOU! A guy who downloads terrabytes of media he'll never actually
watch or lsten to just for bragging rights, and opens up his AP to an
entire military base. I'm not saying you shouldn't use your internet
connection the way you want, I'm just saying you shouldn't do it on Xohm,
partcularly if I'm sharing the same tower! ;-)

Realistically, any wireless internet service should be metered, but the
public at large is so afraid of that that it hurts the adoption rate of
data plans, particularly when most people have no concept of how much
data they use. How much is a "webpage", or emailing a photo, or an hour
of IMing?

Offering "unlimited" with "fair use" limits solves it for 95% of users
leaving only you and the other 5% to deal with! ;-)

Having said that, I agree it's a little disingenuous for broadband
providers to continually market higher speeds, then slap you for actually
using bandwidth. If we were all just emailing and web-browsing like
they'd prefer us to be doing, we wouldn't need 20Mbps connections!

The fairest system, IMO, is throttling bandwidth after hitting a
predetermined threshold. Rather than try and restrict WHAT you do on the
internet, just cap how much yo use in a way that doesn't hit you with a
surprise overage bill. The first I'd heard of that was with DirectWay-
DirecTV's first satellite internet service. They offered 400kbps download,
but whacked you down to 100 for a few hours if your downloads over the
last few hours exceeded a certain amount. T-Mo does it now with their
"unlimited" 3G service- after 10GB in a billing cycle, you're punted back
down to GPRS speeds until the end of the cycle.

That seems fairer to me than simply blocking torrents, or VoIP, or
streaming or whatever "behaviors" ISPs think might cause excessive usage.



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Old 04-25-2009, 06:10 PM
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Larry <noone@home.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:Xns9BF87CDE68BBDnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13:

> "Ooma is the Apple of VOIP... killer Linux hub and free phone service
> to all fifty states- no PC required" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:e75d533c-359a-49c6-9d65-f4ac8afc05d4@z14g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>> AT&T is bumping the speed of their 3G up to speeds faster then the
>> REAL LIFE speeds of WiMax for the iPhone right now in two markets and
>> all markets by June.
>>
>>

>
> This quote from Portland looks ominous, though:
>
> "Speaking as someone who has had clearwire (and someone who lives in
> Portland) I wouldn't touch their service with a 10 foot pole.
>
> They throttle torrents to 0 (you have to encrypt), their EULA is
> draconian, and they require a 1 year contract.
>
> They make comcast look cuddly by comparison. And my 20Mbit connection
> is cheaper through them than clearwire's 1.5 mbit connection.
>
> They can keep it. "
>
> Just like sellphones....What good is bandwidth and technology if
> you're not allowed to USE what you buy? The company's business plans
> always ruin whatever technological advancement Americans ever see.....
>
>


Fair Use is one thing. You and your Waffle House buddies using all
available bandwidth 24/7 to enhance your circle jerk is not Fair Use. The
company business plans that you complain about so loudly wouldn't have to
be so limiting in nature if they didn't have to deal with slefish and near-
sighted morons like yurself. Wireless technology would scream to a halt if
the companies did not protect millions of potential customers from the
selfish abuse of bandwidth that you feel entitled to. It is your plan, not
their's that is so fatally flawed.

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Old 04-25-2009, 07:30 PM
Larry
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The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
news:Xns9BF87BDADA992bob@85.214.105.209:

> Fair Use is one thing. You and your Waffle House buddies using all
> available bandwidth 24/7 to enhance your circle jerk is not Fair Use.
> The company business plans that you complain about so loudly wouldn't
> have to be so limiting in nature if they didn't have to deal with
> slefish and near- sighted morons like yurself. Wireless technology
> would scream to a halt if the companies did not protect millions of
> potential customers from the selfish abuse of bandwidth that you feel
> entitled to. It is your plan, not their's that is so fatally flawed.
>
>


You ARE too funny. NOONE, even me, can use "all available
bandwidth"...EVER!

Noone on any consumer port running at full speed, even fiber optic, can
even be noticed in the overall bandwidth of the planet. NOONE has any
effect on YOUR little pinhole, whatsoever!

So, pull your panties back out of your ******* and relax. Wireless
technology has no trouble providing bandwidth, either, to anyone. We're
not going to make your little iphone crash or screw up your crappy phone
service, either.

How stupid to believe all that company propaganda ********.....

Horseshit....



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Old 04-25-2009, 07:44 PM
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Larry <noone@home.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:Xns9BF89DC9CAFFFnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13:

> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9BF87BDADA992bob@85.214.105.209:
>
>> Fair Use is one thing. You and your Waffle House buddies using all
>> available bandwidth 24/7 to enhance your circle jerk is not Fair Use.
>> The company business plans that you complain about so loudly wouldn't
>> have to be so limiting in nature if they didn't have to deal with
>> slefish and near- sighted morons like yurself. Wireless technology
>> would scream to a halt if the companies did not protect millions of
>> potential customers from the selfish abuse of bandwidth that you feel
>> entitled to. It is your plan, not their's that is so fatally flawed.
>>
>>

>
> You ARE too funny. NOONE, even me, can use "all available
> bandwidth"...EVER!


I guess you're not intelligent enough to understand what I was saying.
How unusual.

>
> Noone on any consumer port running at full speed, even fiber optic,

can
> even be noticed in the overall bandwidth of the planet. NOONE has any
> effect on YOUR little pinhole, whatsoever!


Quit comparing apples and oranges.


>
> So, pull your panties back out of your ******* and relax.


Only one of us wears panties and it's not me.


> Wireless
> technology has no trouble providing bandwidth, either, to anyone.

We're
> not going to make your little iphone crash or screw up your crappy

phone
> service, either.


I don't use an iPhone and never mentioned anything about phone service.
You aren't real bright , are you.

>
> How stupid to believe all that company propaganda ********.....
>


Practical working experience, not company propaganda. I wouldn't expect
you to understand this, either.

> Horseshit....


Something you are full of.

>
>
>



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Old 04-27-2009, 03:33 AM
Dennis Ferguson
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On 2009-04-25, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 25 Apr 2009 10:18:32 -0500 Ron wrote:
>> Nice try. By end of June, in time for the next iPhone, ATT will have 6
>> mbps 3.5G; with double the current bandwidth;
>> and 4G by the end of 2010.
>>
>> http://ipcarrier.blogspot.com/2008/0...t-4g-nets.html

>
>
> Believe it when you see it. AT&T's current 3G is theoretically capable
> of 3.6mbps, IIRC, and most users are happy to get 1mb in real-world
> conditions. When they "double" it next year to 7.2, you'll be lucky to
> get 2. In a perfect world, and uncrowded system, you'd have fast
> broadband, but your packets are competing with everyone else's they've
> sold 3G service to.


It isn't necessarily true that the upgrade will actually double the
bandwidth individual AT&T users will receive, but at least it should
double AT&T's capacity assuming most of the phones are also capable of
7.2 Mbps (which might be true if the assumption that a lot of their load
is iPhones is also true, since 3G iPhones can do that).

> I hate it when I sound like Larry, but it is physics- there's only so
> much data bandwidth you can shovel into a finite amount of spectrum, and
> we all have to share it.


Actually I'm pretty sure you can get infinite bandwidth in a finitie
amount of spectrum if you are prepared to install an infinite number
of towers (I once read a Ph. D. thesis which did the math for this
for a CDMA network).

I think the calculation goes more like this: each tower you've got
has to support a sufficient number of users (times revenue/user) to
pay for the new tower you'll need to build when the existing one is
fully used. 4G should provide more for users at a better underlying
cost, measured this way, though it remains to be determined whether
it is enough cheaper for Larry to consider it "fair".

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 05-01-2009, 03:13 AM
Joel Koltner
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
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> The fairest system, IMO, is throttling bandwidth after hitting a
> predetermined threshold.


Agree with you completely... after your first 20GB (or whatever), throttle
people to something like 128kbps -- still usable for checking e-mail/general
purpose web surfing, just not amenable to downloading ****^H^H^H^H movies of
your grandkids until the next period when the counter resets. (Or you sign up
for a plan with more bandwidth...)

---Joel



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Old 05-01-2009, 04:41 PM
Larry
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"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
> news:m6IIl.67958$_R4.46247@newsfe11.iad...
>> The fairest system, IMO, is throttling bandwidth after hitting a
>> predetermined threshold.

>
> Agree with you completely... after your first 20GB (or whatever),
> throttle people to something like 128kbps -- still usable for checking
> e-mail/general purpose web surfing, just not amenable to downloading
> ****^H^H^H^H movies of your grandkids until the next period when the
> counter resets. (Or you sign up for a plan with more bandwidth...)
>
> ---Joel
>
>


All great and I agree IF all the LIMITS are spelled out RIGHT UP FRONT, not
buried in the legal mumbojumbo of some little drag window back in the
lawyer ******** of the webpages.

Then, it should NOT say the word "Unlimited" anywhere in any advertising,
because it's not and THAT's a lie.



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Old 05-01-2009, 05:34 PM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> All great and I agree IF all the LIMITS are spelled out RIGHT UP FRONT, not
> buried in the legal mumbojumbo of some little drag window back in the
> lawyer ******** of the webpages.


Fair enough.

> Then, it should NOT say the word "Unlimited" anywhere in any advertising,
> because it's not and THAT's a lie.


Well, it is "unlimited data" -- just the bandwidth changes as a function of
how much data you've consumed. :-)

I agree that it is misleading to state something like, "7MBps, unlimited
data!" in the same sentence though. I once worked at a company that made a
fancy machine vision-based inspection system that was advertised as something
like, "Inspects 100 widgets per hour, 100micron feature detection!" -- when
those two specs were at opposite ends of what the machine could do: It was
something like 100 widgets per hour with 1000micron feature detectoin or 10
widgets per hour at 100micron feature detection.

Those of us in engineering cringed...



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"Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in news:uoGKl.81515
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> Those of us in engineering cringed...
>
>


The engineers are always ignored once the lawyers take control of any
product and its marketing....

Dilbert isn't fiction, it's reality!

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Larry <noone@home.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:Xns9BFE811FCF3Bnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13:

> "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:sNtKl.73971$nC7.7040@en-nntp-01.dc1.easynews.com:
>
>> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
>> news:m6IIl.67958$_R4.46247@newsfe11.iad...
>>> The fairest system, IMO, is throttling bandwidth after hitting a
>>> predetermined threshold.

>>
>> Agree with you completely... after your first 20GB (or whatever),
>> throttle people to something like 128kbps -- still usable for
>> checking e-mail/general purpose web surfing, just not amenable to
>> downloading ****^H^H^H^H movies of your grandkids until the next
>> period when the counter resets. (Or you sign up for a plan with more
>> bandwidth...)
>>
>> ---Joel
>>
>>

>
> All great and I agree IF all the LIMITS are spelled out RIGHT UP
> FRONT, not buried in the legal mumbojumbo of some little drag window
> back in the lawyer ******** of the webpages.
>
> Then, it should NOT say the word "Unlimited" anywhere in any
> advertising, because it's not and THAT's a lie.
>
>
>


Why not? You still have 24/7 service.

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Old 05-01-2009, 09:32 PM
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The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in news:Xns9BFE86E6C1C19bob@85.214.105.209:

>> Then, it should NOT say the word "Unlimited" anywhere in any
>> advertising, because it's not and THAT's a lie.
>>
>>
>>

>
> Why not? You still have 24/7 service.
>
>


http://www.oag.state.ny.us/media_cen...oct23a_07.html

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/88727

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20981

http://www.betanews.com/article/Veri...with-New-York-
Will-Reimburse-EVDO-Customers/1193179475

http://www.fiercewireless.com/press-...reless-agrees-
settle-deceptive-marketing-investigation

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/product...13280489_x.htm

That's why....



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Old 05-01-2009, 10:47 PM
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Larry <noone@home.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:Xns9BFEB267472AFnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13:

> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9BFE86E6C1C19bob@85.214.105.209:
>
>>> Then, it should NOT say the word "Unlimited" anywhere in any
>>> advertising, because it's not and THAT's a lie.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>> Why not? You still have 24/7 service.
>>
>>

>
> http://www.oag.state.ny.us/media_cen...oct23a_07.html
>
> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/88727
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20981
>
> http://www.betanews.com/article/Veri...with-New-York-
> Will-Reimburse-EVDO-Customers/1193179475
>
> http://www.fiercewireless.com/press-...reless-agrees-
> settle-deceptive-marketing-investigation
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/product...13280489_x.htm
>
> That's why....
>
>
>


Apples and oranges. Not what's being discussed. Actually, the complete
opposite was being discussed.

As hard as I try not to believe it, you really are that stupid.

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