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Old 07-16-2009, 09:40 PM
Steve Sobol
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Default Re: Verizon - high prices for wireless Internet

Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
of those carriers can comment.

** Is alt.cellular.cingular the right place to post discussions about
at&t wireless, or is alt.cellular.attws? **

In article <h3m9du$nsu$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
bobedgeworthy@seaportvillausa.net says...
>
> Does anyone know why Verizon charges so much for their wireless Internet
> packages. $.25 per megabyte ($256 per gigabyte) is totally crazy.


Verizon has always priced themselves at the top of the market, based on
their alleged "best coverage" and "best network." (I'm sure that those
claims are true in many markets, but I know they're not true
everywhere.)

> Does anyone offer a nationwide wireless Internet plan with prices mere
> mortals can afford?


Your only options right now are Sprint and at&t, because T-Mobile is
nowhere near finished building out their 3G network (because they didn't
have enough spectrum until less than two years ago).

Sprint will probably be less expensive than at&t. I can't comment on
either service's reliability; I haven't been a Sprint customer since
mid-2005 and didn't use 3G then, and I have never been an at&t customer
at all. Talk to people who actually use them, and you'll get more useful
info.

If you can get T-Mobile 3G, it will most likely be cheaper than either
of the carriers, but T-Mobile's 3G footprint is still pretty small. You
can check their online coverage maps, which tend to be very accurate, or
call Customer Service at 800-937-8997 and talk to a rep, to get more
info. (Or you can stop into a T-Mo retail store.)

You need to determine which carrier will work best for you. Both have
trial periods. Take advantage of them. And find out from other people
you know, who use wireless data, what they think of at&t's and Sprint's
packages. (price, reliability, etc.)

One other thing: ignore the trolls in these newsgroups who will tell you
"PROVIDER X SUCKS" - a lot of them just have an axe to grind. Figure out
which carrier will work best for YOU - only you can determine that.



--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
sjsobol@JustThe.net

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Old 07-16-2009, 09:46 PM
JJTj
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>One other thing: ignore the trolls in these newsgroups who will tell you
>"PROVIDER X SUCKS" - a lot of them just have an axe to grind.


Not all of us do..

I'm living the hell with AT&T right now, was happy for 10
years, and AT&T tells me too damn bad. But you are right
to search all the providers, find which is best for you,
then PRAY they keep up their end of the contract.

Not ALL of them do..


JJTj


After 10 years of good service, great reception, AT&T decides to
change the "direction of the tower". Never a late payment,
never a complaint. We now get suck service at the address
the bill is paid from. 1st, we are told we MUST buy new
phones because they are 'upgrading'. THEN, we are told
they are, and I quote: "waiting for parts to fix the tower".

Then we get a call again saying we must buy new phones.

(we have Razor V3is, which we BOUGHT from them)

THEN..and these are all techs (so they say) calling..

"tower is awaiting parts, should be fixed by 7/30/2009"

Calls to their <love this name> "Office of the President"
are routed to just another call center in AZ. Calls to the
corp office (210-821-4105) are met with people either dumping
to the OOTP in AZ, or telling us we "have no right to speak
with anyone at this location" or just them hanging up on us.

Seems after 10 years, no one at AT&T gives a ****.

THEN..after talking to the A/General's office in Ma, we find
out we are not alone here. Seems, since the service is used
by my parents, who do not text/surf/etc, AT&T is, and this is how
it was told to me by them "phasing out certain consumers" to aim
at the "youth market" who charge up bills using said services.

They admit that even if we buy new phones, they doubt if service in
my area will be good, but to even see if it will, I MUST sign a
new 2yr service contract to troubleshoot. I live in central Ma, high
near the airport, and up till now, had AWESOME service/reception.

So they send a phone, a complete plastic hunk of crap, I charge the
battery, replace the sim..nothing. Put the sim back in the Razor,
and get a weak signal. Then I get a call reminding me to sign up
for the new contract or return the phone in 30 days. NEVER do they
ask if it's even working. Phone goes back in the morning.

AT&T tells us, I guess out of the goodness of their hearts, they will
"cancel our contract with out term charges" & to "find another service".

10 years, and it's '**** you'.

Now, our phones are worthless, we can't get good service, and are told
in so many words, too bad. AT&T doesn't care. Here's the kicker:

A 10 min walk and I reach a AT&T store. About 20 feet before I get there,
I get GREAT reception. Walk about 20 feet away..dead. I'm sure their
tower is aimed at that spot <snicker>. And it's down hill from me.

Sorry to rant, but it's the truth.




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Old 07-17-2009, 12:17 AM
George
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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
> of those carriers can comment.
>
> ** Is alt.cellular.cingular the right place to post discussions about
> at&t wireless, or is alt.cellular.attws? **
>
> In article <h3m9du$nsu$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> bobedgeworthy@seaportvillausa.net says...
>> Does anyone know why Verizon charges so much for their wireless Internet
>> packages. $.25 per megabyte ($256 per gigabyte) is totally crazy.

>
> Verizon has always priced themselves at the top of the market, based on
> their alleged "best coverage" and "best network." (I'm sure that those
> claims are true in many markets, but I know they're not true
> everywhere.)



And "best network" also includes what happens when the sun isn't
shining. VZW is totally anal about redundancy and quality of equipment.
Every site has a large amount of battery and almost every site has a
backup generator. AT&T just has toy cabinets with minimal battery. The
prior AT&Ts old now retired TDMA network was more substantial.

As more and more people go cell only it is even more important the
system works on "cloudy" days. I have mentioned this to a number of
people and they had no idea what it meant. Early this winter there was a
massive widespread early ice storm near here. Power was off for 4 or 5
days. Folks I know who have AT&T and Sprint said service was gone about
an hour after the power was knocked off. VZW kept humming.

>
>> Does anyone offer a nationwide wireless Internet plan with prices mere
>> mortals can afford?

>
> Your only options right now are Sprint and at&t, because T-Mobile is
> nowhere near finished building out their 3G network (because they didn't
> have enough spectrum until less than two years ago).
>
> Sprint will probably be less expensive than at&t. I can't comment on
> either service's reliability; I haven't been a Sprint customer since
> mid-2005 and didn't use 3G then, and I have never been an at&t customer
> at all. Talk to people who actually use them, and you'll get more useful
> info.
>
> If you can get T-Mobile 3G, it will most likely be cheaper than either
> of the carriers, but T-Mobile's 3G footprint is still pretty small. You
> can check their online coverage maps, which tend to be very accurate, or
> call Customer Service at 800-937-8997 and talk to a rep, to get more
> info. (Or you can stop into a T-Mo retail store.)
>
> You need to determine which carrier will work best for you. Both have
> trial periods. Take advantage of them. And find out from other people
> you know, who use wireless data, what they think of at&t's and Sprint's
> packages. (price, reliability, etc.)
>
> One other thing: ignore the trolls in these newsgroups who will tell you
> "PROVIDER X SUCKS" - a lot of them just have an axe to grind. Figure out
> which carrier will work best for YOU - only you can determine that.
>
>
>


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Old 07-18-2009, 08:39 AM
tlvp
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On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:46:22 -0400, JJTj <no-spam.con> wrote:

>
>>One other thing: ignore the trolls in these newsgroups who will tell you
>>"PROVIDER X SUCKS" - a lot of them just have an axe to grind.

>
> Not all of us do..
>
> I'm living the hell with AT&T right now, was happy for 10
> years, and AT&T tells me too damn bad. But you are right
> to search all the providers, find which is best for you,
> then PRAY they keep up their end of the contract.
>
> Not ALL of them do..
>
>
> JJTj
>
>
> After 10 years of good service, great reception, AT&T decides to
> change the "direction of the tower". Never a late payment,
> never a complaint. We now get suck service at the address
> the bill is paid from. 1st, we are told we MUST buy new
> phones because they are 'upgrading'. THEN, we are told
> they are, and I quote: "waiting for parts to fix the tower".
>
> Then we get a call again saying we must buy new phones.
>
> (we have Razor V3is, which we BOUGHT from them)
>
> THEN..and these are all techs (so they say) calling..
>
> "tower is awaiting parts, should be fixed by 7/30/2009"
>
> Calls to their <love this name> "Office of the President"
> are routed to just another call center in AZ. Calls to the
> corp office (210-821-4105) are met with people either dumping
> to the OOTP in AZ, or telling us we "have no right to speak
> with anyone at this location" or just them hanging up on us.
>
> Seems after 10 years, no one at AT&T gives a ****.
>
> THEN..after talking to the A/General's office in Ma, we find
> out we are not alone here. Seems, since the service is used
> by my parents, who do not text/surf/etc, AT&T is, and this is how
> it was told to me by them "phasing out certain consumers" to aim
> at the "youth market" who charge up bills using said services.
>
> They admit that even if we buy new phones, they doubt if service in
> my area will be good, but to even see if it will, I MUST sign a
> new 2yr service contract to troubleshoot. I live in central Ma, high
> near the airport, and up till now, had AWESOME service/reception.
>
> So they send a phone, a complete plastic hunk of crap, I charge the
> battery, replace the sim..nothing. Put the sim back in the Razor,
> and get a weak signal. Then I get a call reminding me to sign up
> for the new contract or return the phone in 30 days. NEVER do they
> ask if it's even working. Phone goes back in the morning.
>
> AT&T tells us, I guess out of the goodness of their hearts, they will
> "cancel our contract with out term charges" & to "find another service".
>
> 10 years, and it's '**** you'.
>
> Now, our phones are worthless, we can't get good service, and are told
> in so many words, too bad. AT&T doesn't care. Here's the kicker:
>
> A 10 min walk and I reach a AT&T store. About 20 feet before I get there,
> I get GREAT reception. Walk about 20 feet away..dead. I'm sure their
> tower is aimed at that spot <snicker>. And it's down hill from me.
>
> Sorry to rant, but it's the truth.


Your current RAZR is a GSM RAZR, JJTj? using a SIM card?
By all means get at&t to provide you with the SIM-subsidy Unlock Code
(sometimes called SUK) and SIM-unlocking instructions
before you leave their tender mercies.

That way you (a) can use the same handset with T-Mobile (if they
have coverage where you need it) or with any prepaid GSM provider
(after unlocking, the phone will function with *any* provider's SIM).

Cheers, and good luck, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

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Old 07-18-2009, 12:48 PM
JJTj
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>Your current RAZR is a GSM RAZR, JJTj? using a SIM card?
>By all means get at&t to provide you with the SIM-subsidy Unlock Code
>(sometimes called SUK) and SIM-unlocking instructions
>before you leave their tender mercies.


I've requested the unlock code for over 5 months, gave them the
'number' they asked for. No unlock code yet.

Should I hold my breath? <hehehe>


JJTj





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Old 07-18-2009, 03:20 PM
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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
> of those carriers can comment.
>
> ** Is alt.cellular.cingular the right place to post discussions about
> at&t wireless, or is alt.cellular.attws? **


Cingular no longer exists. Please remove Cingular from follow-ups. While
technically alt.cellular.attws was for the old AT&T Wireless service,
it's become the defacto group for the new mobile service provided by
AT&T since no one thought that a new group was necessary.

Amusingly, the person who started the Cingular group is extremely upset
about the change, and now repeatedly posts the alt.cellular.cingular
charter to the alt.cellular.attws group, even though it has no relevance.

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Old 07-18-2009, 03:26 PM
George
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Roger 2008 wrote:
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
>> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
>> of those carriers can comment.

>
> Has anybody tried
> http://Slingshot.com yet?
>
>

I would say that if their web site is accurate there is a 100% chance no
one has tried it because according to the website "buy now" gives:

"Please visit one of our retail partners to purchase a modem"

Then here is the exhaustive list of those locations:

Store Locator
Coming Soon.

I though someone else also had a similar offering maybe last year that
went to this stage likely designed to clean out investors pockets.

Here is the confirmation that are still at the sucking in investors and
partners stage:

"Slingshot Communications is forming exclusive partnerships and
synergies now that will springboard our company, partners and affiliates
to even greater success as our customer base grows.

We are currently on the lookout for partners who would benefit from
marketing their related equipment or services to our customer base, as
well as affiliates to sell our products along with their complementary
offerings.
There are still opportunities to become a Dealer or Retailer. Please
don't hesitate to contact us with additional questions."

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Old 07-18-2009, 03:56 PM
Roger 2008
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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
> of those carriers can comment.


Has anybody tried
http://Slingshot.com yet?



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Old 07-18-2009, 09:52 PM
Steve Sobol
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In article <rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>,
rwpcs@att.net says...
>
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
> > Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
> > of those carriers can comment.

>
> Has anybody tried
> http://Slingshot.com yet?


I don't know how reliable the service is, but marketing jackasses who
scream "Unlimited!" and then have a footnote "to 5 GB" aren't likely to
get any of my money.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
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Old 07-18-2009, 09:53 PM
Steve Sobol
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In article <rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>,
rwpcs@att.net says...
>
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
> > Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
> > of those carriers can comment.

>
> Has anybody tried
> http://Slingshot.com yet?


Wow. You can't buy through them, you must buy through one of their
retailers, and their retail store locator isn't online yet.

They're not only jackasses, they're idiots.



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sjsobol@JustThe.net

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Old 07-18-2009, 10:26 PM
George
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Steve Sobol wrote:
> In article <rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>,
> rwpcs@att.net says...
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
>>> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
>>> of those carriers can comment.

>> Has anybody tried
>> http://Slingshot.com yet?

>
> Wow. You can't buy through them, you must buy through one of their
> retailers, and their retail store locator isn't online yet.
>
> They're not only jackasses, they're idiots.
>
>
>

I'll bet they think they are pretty smart. I would say they are at the
make big claims stage to suck in investors stage. The website likely is
window dressing to make them look legitimate.

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Old 07-19-2009, 02:30 AM
tlvp
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:48:43 -0400, JJTj <no-spam.con> wrote:

>
>>Your current RAZR is a GSM RAZR, JJTj? using a SIM card?
>>By all means get at&t to provide you with the SIM-subsidy Unlock Code
>>(sometimes called SUK) and SIM-unlocking instructions
>>before you leave their tender mercies.

>
> I've requested the unlock code for over 5 months, gave them the
> 'number' they asked for. No unlock code yet.
>
> Should I hold my breath? <hehehe>


Nope: but, as you exhale, ask again. T-Mo also has on occasion
'forgotten' to provide the unlock code, but came through on my
second asking.

It might help to suggest that you 'mislaid' the unlock code and
instructions, and just need that all again :-) . I suspect they
will be willing to email it all to you.

> JJTj


Cheers, and good luck, -- tlvp
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Old 07-21-2009, 10:58 PM
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"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
>> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
>> of those carriers can comment.

>
> Has anybody tried
> http://Slingshot.com yet?
>

They have "unlimited" service for $59.95 per month, but if you scroll down
you'll see that unlimited really only means 5gb.

How can they get away with saying that 5gb is unlimited?



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Old 07-22-2009, 01:43 AM
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Bob Edgeworthy wrote:
>
>
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
>>> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that customers
>>> of those carriers can comment.

>>
>> Has anybody tried
>> http://Slingshot.com yet?
>>

> They have "unlimited" service for $59.95 per month, but if you scroll
> down you'll see that unlimited really only means 5gb.
>
> How can they get away with saying that 5gb is unlimited?
>
>

What does the *contract* say. That is the only thing that counts in
this case. Their advertising is not legally binding, their contract IS
binding if you sign it!

The long and the short of it is READ AND UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT YOU
SIGN! You are going to be stuck with its terms for two years or more!

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:37 AM
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"Bob Edgeworthy" <bobedgeworthy@seaportvillausa.net> wrote in
news:h45e3e$m2p$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>
>
> "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
> news:rNqdnZ0c4vqYSfzXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com ...
>>
>> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.24c84b34bfe4bdb49896ec@news.justthe.net.. .
>>> Cross-posted to the at&t, Sprint and T-Mo newsgroups so that
>>> customers of those carriers can comment.

>>
>> Has anybody tried
>> http://Slingshot.com yet?
>>

> They have "unlimited" service for $59.95 per month, but if you scroll
> down you'll see that unlimited really only means 5gb.
>
> How can they get away with saying that 5gb is unlimited?
>
>
>


Verizon Wireless settled with the Atty General Cuomo of NY State out of
court over this obvious lie.

http://www.prepaidreviews.com/blog/v...rizon-settles-
unlimited-data-suit-34972/

http://cybernetnews.com/verizon-admi...ted-data-plan-
is-limited-to-5gb-per-month/

It cost 'em over a million dollars in fees and refunds.

Looks like Mr Cuomo needs to go back to court against more liars who
didn't get the message that "Unlimited Access" isn't an acceptable ploy
to get the word unlimited in the ads for a 5GB limited service.



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Old 08-02-2009, 03:52 PM
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:39:02 -0400, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
wrote in <op.uw857cgio63xbg@acer250.gateway.2wire.net>:

>On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:46:22 -0400, JJTj <no-spam.con> wrote:


>> (we have Razor V3is, which we BOUGHT from them)


>Your current RAZR is a GSM RAZR, JJTj? using a SIM card?
>That way you (a) can use the same handset with T-Mobile (if they
>have coverage where you need it) or with any prepaid GSM provider
>(after unlocking, the phone will function with *any* provider's SIM).


Only up to 2.5G -- AFAIK there is no 3G RAZR that supports the
frequencies used by T-Mobile.

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