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Old 07-23-2009, 11:39 PM
Todd Allcock
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Default Sure, the iPhone can fart, but can it count everyone in the entire USA?

http://gcn.com/articles/2009/07/22/c...-platform.aspx

"The U.S. Census Bureau is deploying the Windows Mobile operating system on
140,000 handheld personal digital assistants being used for the 2010 census.

This is the largest single, one-time deployment of Windows Mobile devices to
date, said Randy Siegel, Microsoft Federal telecommunications and mobility
strategist.

Harris Corp., the system integrator for the 2010 census, has selected Sprint
to be the wireless data provider for the census. About 140,000 field workers
are collecting census data using handheld PDAs operating on the Sprint
network..."






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Old 07-24-2009, 05:36 AM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in message
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>

http://gcn.com/articles/2009/07/22/c...-platform.aspx
>
> "The U.S. Census Bureau is deploying the Windows Mobile operating system

on
> 140,000 handheld personal digital assistants being used for the 2010

census.
>
> This is the largest single, one-time deployment of Windows Mobile devices

to
> date, said Randy Siegel, Microsoft Federal telecommunications and mobility
> strategist.
>
> Harris Corp., the system integrator for the 2010 census, has selected

Sprint
> to be the wireless data provider for the census. About 140,000 field

workers
> are collecting census data using handheld PDAs operating on the Sprint
> network..."


Thanks for the info but I'll bet their server might be running Linux since
that is what the City of Seattle Washington decided to use to handle big
numbers.

BTW one of our cell phone stores was selling refurb Wizards for $149 without
a 2 year agreement.



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Old 07-24-2009, 07:23 AM
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At 23 Jul 2009 22:36:58 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

> http://gcn.com/articles/2009/07/22/c...indows-mobile-

platform.aspx
> >
> > "The U.S. Census Bureau is deploying the Windows Mobile operating

system
> on
> > 140,000 handheld personal digital assistants being used for the 2010

> census.
> >
> > This is the largest single, one-time deployment of Windows Mobile

devices
> to
> > date, said Randy Siegel, Microsoft Federal telecommunications and

mobility
> > strategist.
> >
> > Harris Corp., the system integrator for the 2010 census, has selected

> Sprint
> > to be the wireless data provider for the census. About 140,000 field

> workers
> > are collecting census data using handheld PDAs operating on the Sprint
> > network..."

>
> Thanks for the info but I'll bet their server might be running Linux

since
> that is what the City of Seattle Washington decided to use to handle big
> numbers.



Could be- the handhelds, obviously, are for "front line" data collection.

I found it interesting that Sprint will be supplying the connectivity. I
think, probably due to the bad press and their recent CS issues, too few
people realize just what a good network, particularly for data, they've
got.



> BTW one of our cell phone stores was selling refurb Wizards for $149

without
> a 2 year agreement.



I used a Wizard for over two years. Other than the dog-slow 200MHz
processor it was a pretty nice device. My current HTC Tilt runs circles
around it, but I miss the Wiz's stereo side mounted speakers, IR port and
separate headphone jack. (It was 2.5mm instead of 3.5, but at least you
could get an adapter at any RadioShack instead of having to eBay one from
Hong Kong!)

While we're digressing...

I've been contemplating upgrading but I just don't really like the recent
WinMo devices. iPhonitis is a disease running rampant through modern
smartphone design. Big displays and no buttons. Have you seen the Touch
Pro 2? No D-Pad, trackball, joystick or equivalent? I can't work like
that!

Although I've always preferred touchsceen devices, I'd switch to
something like a HTC Snap/Dash II with buttons and no touchscreen before
using a TP2 with touch and nobuttons.

I just picked up an old Verizon Samsung i730 on eBay as a backup device
to use on PagePlus (a prepaid Verizon reseller.) As thick as a brick and
twice as heavy, but it's a "real" WinMo device- six fully programmable
program launch buttons (short and long presses can each be assigned a
different function)- 528MHz processor, WiFi, BT, EvDO, IR, full-sized SD
slot, and supports QNC data (slow but free.). Overkill for the two or
thee times a year I'll use it (it's a backup for when I'm outside T-Mo
coverage areas) but for $50 on eBay and $30/year for service it's a fun
retro toy. It even comes with universal remote software preinstalled-
the IR bulb actually reaches across the room, rather than the 2-3 foot
range typical PDA IR bulbs have.

I've been using handheld cellular phones since they came with shoulder
straps to carry them- large size doesn't scare me. My ideal WinMo phone
would be a big VGA 4" screen device with all the buttons- picture a Dell
Axim X51v or an iPaq 4700 that was also a phone...

Hmmm... I may be hanging on to the Tilt even longer than I used the
Wizard...



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Old 07-24-2009, 01:25 PM
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"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
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>
> too few
> people realize just what a good network, particularly for data, they've
> got.


From my own experience with a Slingplayer Sprint's data network has improved
quite a bit. There are a lot more towers with EVDO than there were a year
ago and it stays connected when it used to break connections once an hour or
sooner.

> I miss the Wiz's stereo side mounted speakers


Unfortunately, in landscape mode they are top and bottom mounted speakers.

> Have you seen the Touch
> Pro 2? No D-Pad, trackball, joystick or equivalent? I can't work like
> that!


Bummer. But they put a seperate jack on there for stereo headphones so they
did one thing right. But I still might get a Diamond2 when they come out
just the the bigger screen.

> I just picked up an old Verizon Samsung i730 on eBay as a backup device
> It even comes with universal remote software preinstalled-
> the IR bulb actually reaches across the room, rather than the 2-3 foot
> range typical PDA IR bulbs have.


Sounds like it could be fun in a bar full of Televisions.

> My ideal WinMo phone
> would be a big VGA 4" screen device with all the buttons- picture a Dell
> Axim X51v or an iPaq 4700 that was also a phone...


I'd like a WVGA screen instead of just VGA since most everything is 16x9
now. But not everything is 16x9 because today I noticed one of are local TV
stations still uses cameras for outdoors that are 4x3.

I wonder if Archos will add a phone to their devices.
http://www.archos.com/home.html?country=us&lang=en

BTW I noticed Archos started to add bluetooth to their devices so that is a
start. At least you can use them with a phone now.

> Hmmm... I may be hanging on to the Tilt even longer than I used the
> Wizard...


Would you still be using your Wizard if the charging jack wasn't broken?



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Old 07-24-2009, 07:20 PM
Paul Miner
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Default Re: Sure, the iPhone can fart, but can it count everyone in the entire USA?

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:15 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote:

>At 23 Jul 2009 22:36:58 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
>> > Harris Corp., the system integrator for the 2010 census, has selected

>> Sprint
>> > to be the wireless data provider for the census. About 140,000 field

>> workers
>> > are collecting census data using handheld PDAs operating on the Sprint
>> > network..."

>>
>> Thanks for the info but I'll bet their server might be running Linux

>since
>> that is what the City of Seattle Washington decided to use to handle big
>> numbers.

>
>
>Could be- the handhelds, obviously, are for "front line" data collection.
>
>I found it interesting that Sprint will be supplying the connectivity. I
>think, probably due to the bad press and their recent CS issues, too few
>people realize just what a good network, particularly for data, they've
>got.


I don't know when the decision to use Sprint was made, but it was
being openly discussed within Sprint as long ago as pre-merger.

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Old 07-24-2009, 07:33 PM
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Default Wizard (was: Sure, the iPhone can)


"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
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>
> I used a Wizard for over two years. Other than the dog-slow 200MHz
> processor it was a pretty nice device.


Talking about a Wizard. I got mine on 7-14-07 and today I got the A2DP to
work after finding the following page.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=263775






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Old 07-25-2009, 01:18 AM
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At 24 Jul 2009 06:25:33 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

> > I miss the Wiz's stereo side mounted speakers

>
> Unfortunately, in landscape mode they are top and bottom mounted

speakers.


Still beats the "facing down into the table the device is sitting on"
speaker of the Tilt.


> > My ideal WinMo phone
> > would be a big VGA 4" screen device with all the buttons- picture a

Dell
> > Axim X51v or an iPaq 4700 that was also a phone...

>
> I'd like a WVGA screen instead of just VGA since most everything is 16x9
> now.


The problem there, IMO, is the device gets unwieldly in size quickly. I
want a wider/larger display- not the HTC-style 2.8" made longer and
denser (like the Sony X1, for example.)


> > Hmmm... I may be hanging on to the Tilt even longer than I used the
> > Wizard...

>
> Would you still be using your Wizard if the charging jack wasn't broken?



Good question, but probably not. The slow speed and constant reboots to
reclaim leaked memory were tiresome. If the Wizard had 128MB of RAM
instead of 64MB, perhaps I would be.



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Old 07-25-2009, 05:16 PM
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Default Wizard + AVRCP ( was: Sure, the iPhone can ... )


"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
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>
> Still beats the "facing down into the table the device is sitting on"
> speaker of the Tilt.


That could be worse because the rubber part that says "GPS" adds clearance
for the sound when the Tilt is placed on a table.

BTW the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond only have one speaker but that speaker
is on the top and it is louder than both the Wizard speakers put together.

> Good question, but probably not. The slow speed and constant reboots to
> reclaim leaked memory were tiresome. If the Wizard had 128MB of RAM
> instead of 64MB, perhaps I would be.


You really notice how slow the Wizard is when using WMP to watch MP4s. Oh
yeah, you don't have to worry about that because WMP on the Tilt won't play
MP4s. :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...b52c7107874ad2

When you talk about "constant reboots" my Sprint Mogul took the cake there.
When I used a BT GPS for navigation via Garmin Mobile XT the bluetooth on
the Mogul would just quit working a lot and then I'd have to reboot the
thing. I'd also have to reboot it right after using "Live Search" for
Mobile (now called Bing).

BTW the patch work to get the A2DP working on a WM5 Wizard, mentioned in
another post, also gets the AVRCP working. FYI a beat up 2 year old WM5
Wizard with AVRCP makes a great MP3 player if your songs can fit on a 2G
memory card.

Let me hammer the iPhone for a bit. It took OS 3.0 to give the iPhone A2DP
but the iPhone still does not support AVRCP. Since every Stereo bluetooth
device I know of supports AVRCP that means the newest iPhone is still
lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile



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Old 07-25-2009, 05:47 PM
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At 25 Jul 2009 10:16:35 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
> news:6ksam.57979$9P.18876@newsfe08.iad...
> >
> > Still beats the "facing down into the table the device is sitting on"
> > speaker of the Tilt.

>
> That could be worse because the rubber part that says "GPS" adds

clearance
> for the sound when the Tilt is placed on a table.
>
> BTW the Touch Pro and Touch Diamond only have one speaker but that

speaker
> is on the top and it is louder than both the Wizard speakers put

together.
>
> > Good question, but probably not. The slow speed and constant reboots

to
> > reclaim leaked memory were tiresome. If the Wizard had 128MB of RAM
> > instead of 64MB, perhaps I would be.

>
> You really notice how slow the Wizard is when using WMP to watch MP4s.

Oh
> yeah, you don't have to worry about that because WMP on the Tilt won't

play
> MP4s. :-)
>

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...ne_edition/msg
/cdb52c7107874ad2

The only .mp4s I ever remember the Wizard playing were the video clips
shot with its own camera.

Keep in mind WMP Mobile, as shipped by Microsoft, does not natively
play .mp4s (or any vido other that .wmv) . OEMs add support for other
formats, generally to support the video camera apps.

The Tilt is actually a much better video playe than the Wizard if you use
Coreplayer. The Coreplayer folks added Tilt-specific video accelleration
into the app to compensate for HTC dropping the ball. I've played .mp4s
I encoded for my wife's iPhone at 800kbps without a dropped frame.


> When you talk about "constant reboots" my Sprint Mogul took the cake

there.
> When I used a BT GPS for navigation via Garmin Mobile XT the bluetooth

on
> the Mogul would just quit working a lot and then I'd have to reboot the
> thing. I'd also have to reboot it right after using "Live Search" for
> Mobile (now called Bing).


I never had a Mogul (I likely would've had I ever been a Spint customer)
but it seemed like a decent phone.


> BTW the patch work to get the A2DP working on a WM5 Wizard, mentioned in
> another post, also gets the AVRCP working. FYI a beat up 2 year old WM5
> Wizard with AVRCP makes a great MP3 player if your songs can fit on a 2G
> memory card.



Or, it would be, if it had a 3.5mm headphone jack. Assuming the
phone isn't needed, a good old Dell Axim X51v would make a much better
media player, IMO, with it's dual SD/CF slot support. I believe A2DP and
AVRCP have been hacked onto the Axim:
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/x...-a2dp-support-
axim-x51.html


> Let me hammer the iPhone for a bit.



You don't need my permission!


> It took OS 3.0 to give the iPhone A2DP
> but the iPhone still does not support AVRCP. Since every Stereo

bluetooth
> device I know of supports AVRCP that means the newest iPhone is still
> lacking.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_profile



Which, IMO, illustrates the weakness of Apple's control over the device.
If not for the app store restrictions and SDK sandbox limitations, 3rd-
party apps could've tried to address this by now rather than wait until
Apple gets around to it.



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Old 07-25-2009, 09:01 PM
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cross posted to pocketpc.

"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
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>
> The only .mp4s I ever remember the Wizard playing were the video clips
> shot with its own camera.


WMP on my Wizard plays the mp4s that are generated with http://zamzar.com
and those are the only MP4s I have. BTW I tried those same MP4s with WMP on
a Tilt and I could not get them to play..

> I never had a Mogul (I likely would've had I ever been a Sprint customer)
> but it seemed like a decent phone.


Yes, the Mogul was a decent phone but for all it's memory it still had
memory problems.

BTW out of everybody I know that had a Mogul all but one of them moved to a
Touch Pro. Me, when the buttons messed up on my Mogul for the second time I
paid $50 to have it replaced with a Touch Pro. After the screen on my Touch
Pro started messing up over half the time I got it replaced with another
Touch Pro. Then after having a working Touch Pro for a while I bought a
used Touch Diamond since I was expecting more problems with the Pro.

> Or, it would be, if it had a 3.5mm headphone jack.


The Wizard I have has a headphone jack and it works just fine with the
headset that came with it but it isn't wired to use with anything else but
that headphone. I bought an adapter at Radio Shack and when I used the
adapter it lost the Stereo. So it was either do some rewiring somewhere or
get Stereo A2DP to work. Turns out I got the Stereo A2DP to work first.

> Assuming the
> phone isn't needed, a good old Dell Axim X51v would make a much better
> media player, IMO, with it's dual SD/CF slot support.


Yes, that Dell Axim probably would make a better MP3 player than the Wizard
but I don't have Dell Axim. And your description of the dual slot sounds
sort of like the HP iPAQ 211. FYI the 211 uses SDHC and the CF slot on the
211 also supports a microdrive. But a playlist generated on the iPAQ 211 is
not transferable to the Wizard since they use different names for the memory
cards.

> I believe A2DP and
> AVRCP have been hacked onto the Axim:


http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/x...-axim-x51.html

GREAT LINK and the patch to get the A2DP/AVRCP to work on WM5 has to be
installed in those exact same steps for some reason. You would think it
would take just one program or cab file but it takes both of them listed in
the URL above.

Then to clear out the crazy listing it places in the installed programs go
to windows/AppMgr and delete the directory it installed.

Then after you delete that directory try to remove the program with "Removce
Programs" and it will just remove the crazy name from the list and stay
installed and fully functional..

When I used to use my Wizard all the time the biggest let down was the lack
of BT Stereo. Now that it has BT Stereo I wonder if I'll pack it away again
or throw it on my dashboard as an MP3 player.



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Old 07-26-2009, 05:29 AM
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At 25 Jul 2009 14:01:58 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
> cross posted to pocketpc.
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
> news:yGGam.38068$nL7.29158@newsfe18.iad...
> >
> > The only .mp4s I ever remember the Wizard playing were the video clips
> > shot with its own camera.

>
> WMP on my Wizard plays the mp4s that are generated with

http://zamzar.com
> and those are the only MP4s I have. BTW I tried those same MP4s with

WMP on
> a Tilt and I could not get them to play..



My Tilt plays the .mp4s made with its own camera in WMP, but no other MP4s.
Not a great hardship- TCPMP is fre and plays .avis, and Coreplayer is
about $30 and plays virtually everything including .mp4s and YouTube
videos.


> > Or, it [the Wizard] would be [a good media player], if it had a 3.5mm
> > headphone jack.

>
> The Wizard I have has a headphone jack and it works just fine with the
> headset that came with it but it isn't wired to use with anything else
> but that headphone. I bought an adapter at Radio Shack and when I used
> the adapter it lost the Stereo. So it was either do some rewiring
> somewhere or get Stereo A2DP to work. Turns out I got the Stereo A2DP
> to work first.



I used several RadioShack 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptors without any problems-
RS sells several models of those adapters- some are designed for mono
use.

I have several of these:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2062470

....which work fine in a pinch (they pass stereo sound), but are awkward
due to their inflexiblity (hard plastic, rather than a flexible cable).
I also have some cheap eBay-sourced adapter cables that also work.



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Old 08-20-2009, 12:33 PM
Werner \Menneisyys\ Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices]
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> WMP on my Wizard plays the mp4s that are generated with http://zamzar.com
> and those are the only MP4s I have. BTW I tried those same MP4s with WMP
> on
> a Tilt and I could not get them to play..


Inside, MP4 files (MP4 is just a container and doesn't restrict the video
codec formats usable inside it) can be anything. It may have been H.264;
this is why the (pretty incapable) built-in player couldn't play it, as
opposed to the much simpler (and more primitive) H.263, the native (crappy)
format of most built-in cameras.


--


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Please see the Pocket PC Mag Expert Blog (including mine) at
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/ - you will definitely like it.


"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
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> cross posted to pocketpc.
>
> "Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@aNOoSPAMl.com> wrote in message
> news:yGGam.38068$nL7.29158@newsfe18.iad...
>>
>> The only .mp4s I ever remember the Wizard playing were the video clips
>> shot with its own camera.

>
> WMP on my Wizard plays the mp4s that are generated with http://zamzar.com
> and those are the only MP4s I have. BTW I tried those same MP4s with WMP
> on
> a Tilt and I could not get them to play..
>
>> I never had a Mogul (I likely would've had I ever been a Sprint customer)
>> but it seemed like a decent phone.

>
> Yes, the Mogul was a decent phone but for all it's memory it still had
> memory problems.
>
> BTW out of everybody I know that had a Mogul all but one of them moved to
> a
> Touch Pro. Me, when the buttons messed up on my Mogul for the second time
> I
> paid $50 to have it replaced with a Touch Pro. After the screen on my
> Touch
> Pro started messing up over half the time I got it replaced with another
> Touch Pro. Then after having a working Touch Pro for a while I bought a
> used Touch Diamond since I was expecting more problems with the Pro.
>
>> Or, it would be, if it had a 3.5mm headphone jack.

>
> The Wizard I have has a headphone jack and it works just fine with the
> headset that came with it but it isn't wired to use with anything else but
> that headphone. I bought an adapter at Radio Shack and when I used the
> adapter it lost the Stereo. So it was either do some rewiring somewhere
> or
> get Stereo A2DP to work. Turns out I got the Stereo A2DP to work first.
>
>> Assuming the
>> phone isn't needed, a good old Dell Axim X51v would make a much better
>> media player, IMO, with it's dual SD/CF slot support.

>
> Yes, that Dell Axim probably would make a better MP3 player than the
> Wizard
> but I don't have Dell Axim. And your description of the dual slot sounds
> sort of like the HP iPAQ 211. FYI the 211 uses SDHC and the CF slot on
> the
> 211 also supports a microdrive. But a playlist generated on the iPAQ 211
> is
> not transferable to the Wizard since they use different names for the
> memory
> cards.
>
>> I believe A2DP and
>> AVRCP have been hacked onto the Axim:

>
> http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/x...-axim-x51.html
>
> GREAT LINK and the patch to get the A2DP/AVRCP to work on WM5 has to be
> installed in those exact same steps for some reason. You would think it
> would take just one program or cab file but it takes both of them listed
> in
> the URL above.
>
> Then to clear out the crazy listing it places in the installed programs go
> to windows/AppMgr and delete the directory it installed.
>
> Then after you delete that directory try to remove the program with
> "Removce
> Programs" and it will just remove the crazy name from the list and stay
> installed and fully functional..
>
> When I used to use my Wizard all the time the biggest let down was the
> lack
> of BT Stereo. Now that it has BT Stereo I wonder if I'll pack it away
> again
> or throw it on my dashboard as an MP3 player.
>
>




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