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Old 04-22-2009, 07:11 PM
Steve Sobol
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Default Unlimited plans - new ones from T-Mo, MetroPCS - how do they compare?

Haven't looked at Metro's. T-Mo's is pretty impressive when stacked up
against VZ/Sprint/ATT, I think.

If T-Mo has good coverage where you live, and you've been a customer for
at least 22 months, and your account is in good standing, you can take
advantage of one of T-Mo's two new Unlimited Loyalty plans.

We just switched to Unlimited Loyalty for Families. $89.99/month for
unlimited voice for my line and my wife's, plus $39.99/month for my daughter's
phone... just $9.99 more than the KidConnect prepaid plan she'd been on.

Our promotional messaging package - $10/month for unlimited text, picture and
instant messages for all phones on the account - was grandfathered. (Normally
this package is $20/month)

We also pay $2/month for Family Allowances. We are limiting our daughter to
the same 75 minutes/1000 messages per month that she had on KidConnect, but
we can now reward her with more airtime and messages when she earns them.
(We can also reduce her allowances or disable calling from the phone entirely,
but I'm being optimistic here... I don't think she's going to do anything that
would cause us to punish her like that... she likes her phone too much. :>)

As a result, we're paying $47.32 per line per month for unlimited talk and
unlimited messaging, plus taxes and fees.

As a bonus, we're off KidConnect. KidConnect was a groundbreaking, brilliant
idea, but they had lots of billing issues early on. They never did get things
completely fixed, and eventually dropped KidConnect altogether. Plus, now
we can pay for ALL of the phones with one payment. (We couldn't do that before,
because the KidConnect account was a prepaid account, separate from our
main account.)

The one thing T-Mo doesn't include in this plan is data. That's fine. T-Mo
was only able to start building their 3G network recently, and we still don't
have 3G here. So there's no way I'd pay for a T-Mo data plan anyhow.



MetroPCS *just* started advertising unlimited nationwide calling. If I had
to guess, they are operating as a Sprint MVNO - Sprint caters to virtual
operators and runs 1900 MHz CDMA, same as Metro does. Pricing seems to be
around $50/month.

Of course, Metro doesn't serve Victorville yet. Their map says this is a
Future Expansion area. But we get Los Angeles TV stations, and they're
advertising this unlimited plan down there, so I figured I'd go check them
out.

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Old 04-22-2009, 07:56 PM
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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Haven't looked at Metro's. T-Mo's is pretty impressive when stacked up
> against VZ/Sprint/ATT, I think.
>
> If T-Mo has good coverage where you live, and you've been a customer for
> at least 22 months, and your account is in good standing, you can take
> advantage of one of T-Mo's two new Unlimited Loyalty plans.
>
> We just switched to Unlimited Loyalty for Families. $89.99/month for
> unlimited voice for my line and my wife's, plus $39.99/month for my daughter's
> phone... just $9.99 more than the KidConnect prepaid plan she'd been on.
>
> Our promotional messaging package - $10/month for unlimited text, picture and
> instant messages for all phones on the account - was grandfathered. (Normally
> this package is $20/month)
>
> We also pay $2/month for Family Allowances. We are limiting our daughter to
> the same 75 minutes/1000 messages per month that she had on KidConnect, but
> we can now reward her with more airtime and messages when she earns them.
> (We can also reduce her allowances or disable calling from the phone entirely,
> but I'm being optimistic here... I don't think she's going to do anything that
> would cause us to punish her like that... she likes her phone too much. :>)
>
> As a result, we're paying $47.32 per line per month for unlimited talk and
> unlimited messaging, plus taxes and fees.
>
> As a bonus, we're off KidConnect. KidConnect was a groundbreaking, brilliant
> idea, but they had lots of billing issues early on. They never did get things
> completely fixed, and eventually dropped KidConnect altogether. Plus, now
> we can pay for ALL of the phones with one payment. (We couldn't do that before,
> because the KidConnect account was a prepaid account, separate from our
> main account.)
>
> The one thing T-Mo doesn't include in this plan is data. That's fine. T-Mo
> was only able to start building their 3G network recently, and we still don't
> have 3G here. So there's no way I'd pay for a T-Mo data plan anyhow.
>
>
>
> MetroPCS *just* started advertising unlimited nationwide calling. If I had
> to guess, they are operating as a Sprint MVNO - Sprint caters to virtual
> operators and runs 1900 MHz CDMA, same as Metro does. Pricing seems to be
> around $50/month.
>
> Of course, Metro doesn't serve Victorville yet. Their map says this is a
> Future Expansion area. But we get Los Angeles TV stations, and they're
> advertising this unlimited plan down there, so I figured I'd go check them
> out.
>


Unfortunately tmobile wouldn't be any sort of a deal here and in the
nearby states where I travel because of their poor coverage. I guess all
that may happen is it may exert some pricing pressure on the market.

MetroPCS isn't an MVNO. Another regional PCS carrier with a cheap price
operates around here but they only have good coverage in the very
central area of this region. They have their own equipment.

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Old 04-22-2009, 08:27 PM
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On 2009-04-22, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO. Another regional PCS carrier with a cheap price
> operates around here but they only have good coverage in the very
> central area of this region. They have their own equipment.


MetroPCS isn't an MVNO in the areas where they have native coverage. But I
doubt they're running their own network in the areas marked as "extended."

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Old 04-22-2009, 11:16 PM
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Steve Sobol wrote:

> As a result, we're paying $47.32 per line per month for unlimited talk and
> unlimited messaging, plus taxes and fees.


So what's the total after taxes and fees?

The 1500 minutes/1500 texts for $39.99/month (inclusive of fees) looks
pretty good on PagePlus. That's a lot more minutes than I use each month
even paying for nights and weekends and mobile to mobile. Plus you get
3G data for $1.20/MB which is pretty good since doing basic stuff on the
handset doesn't use many MB (you wouldn't want to tether and use your
laptop on this though).

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Old 04-23-2009, 12:17 AM
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
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> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>> As a result, we're paying $47.32 per line per month for unlimited
>> talk and unlimited messaging, plus taxes and fees.

>
> So what's the total after taxes and fees?
>
> The 1500 minutes/1500 texts for $39.99/month (inclusive of fees) looks
> pretty good on PagePlus. That's a lot more minutes than I use each
> month even paying for nights and weekends and mobile to mobile. Plus
> you get 3G data for $1.20/MB which is pretty good since doing basic
> stuff on the handset doesn't use many MB (you wouldn't want to tether
> and use your laptop on this though).
>


Steven, got Cricket in your area?
http://www.mycricket.com/cricketplans/charleston
No contracts, no funny business.

Best plan for teens is $40...unlimited talk to any phone
USA/Canada/AK/HI/PR + unlimited texting and pictures with caller ID.

Add unlimited broadband to a USB modem for a netbook/laptop/desktop for
$35/mo more....

It's a helluva deal if they're in your area. They just lit up Milwaukee,
Chicago, Southern Wisconsin and Philadelphia. A Cricket phone works
anywhere Cricket has native coverage, roams on Verizon/Alltel/Sprint
elsewhere but isn't cheap but great for emergency comms. $1.20/MB is just
SUICIDE! That's crazy!



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Old 04-23-2009, 12:49 AM
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Larry wrote:

> Steven, got Cricket in your area?
> http://www.mycricket.com/cricketplans/charleston
> No contracts, no funny business.


No, and I travel far too much to use something like Cricket or Metro PCS.

For me, 1500 minutes and 1500 texts would be far more than I would ever
use in one month, essentially the same as unlimited, and I suspect the
same is true for most non-business users, other than some teenagers I've
seen that could easily send 50 text messages per day.

I have to choose between AT&T and Verizon, or their MVNOs. Sprint and
T-Mobile don't work well in my area.

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Old 04-23-2009, 01:11 AM
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:CSOHl.5921$Lr6.653
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> Larry wrote:
>
>> Steven, got Cricket in your area?
>> http://www.mycricket.com/cricketplans/charleston
>> No contracts, no funny business.

>
> No, and I travel far too much to use something like Cricket or Metro PCS.
>
> For me, 1500 minutes and 1500 texts would be far more than I would ever
> use in one month, essentially the same as unlimited, and I suspect the
> same is true for most non-business users, other than some teenagers I've
> seen that could easily send 50 text messages per day.
>
> I have to choose between AT&T and Verizon, or their MVNOs. Sprint and
> T-Mobile don't work well in my area.
>


I was thinking more along the lines for the teens who don't live on the
road out-of-town. They're thrilled to have Dad off their backs for the 439
texts they sent yesterday....(c;]



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Old 04-23-2009, 01:45 AM
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On 2009-04-22, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
> On 2009-04-22, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO. Another regional PCS carrier with a cheap price
>> operates around here but they only have good coverage in the very
>> central area of this region. They have their own equipment.

>
> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO in the areas where they have native coverage. But I
> doubt they're running their own network in the areas marked as "extended."


MetroPCS roams on Cricket, Cricket roams on MetroPCS. I don't think
that makes either of them an MVNO (if that were the definition every
US carrier would be an MVNO). I don't think MetroPCS uses Sprint's
network for anything.

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 04-23-2009, 01:51 AM
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On 2009-04-22, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Steve Sobol wrote:
>
>> As a result, we're paying $47.32 per line per month for unlimited talk and
>> unlimited messaging, plus taxes and fees.

>
> So what's the total after taxes and fees?


I'll tell you when I get the first bill.

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Old 04-23-2009, 03:03 AM
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On 2009-04-23, Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On 2009-04-22, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>>
>> On 2009-04-22, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO. Another regional PCS carrier with a cheap price
>>> operates around here but they only have good coverage in the very
>>> central area of this region. They have their own equipment.

>>
>> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO in the areas where they have native coverage. But I
>> doubt they're running their own network in the areas marked as "extended."

>
> MetroPCS roams on Cricket, Cricket roams on MetroPCS. I don't think
> that makes either of them an MVNO (if that were the definition every
> US carrier would be an MVNO). I don't think MetroPCS uses Sprint's
> network for anything.


And MetroPCS Unlimited Nationwide includes the greater Cleveland area, and
I lived there for over 34 years, and was a cellular user in that area from
1993-2003, and unless something changed since I left, neither Metro nor
Cricket has a network in Cleveland.

The local flat-rate unlimited provider in Cleveland is Northcoast PCS/Revol.

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Old 04-23-2009, 04:05 AM
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On 2009-04-23, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
> On 2009-04-23, Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On 2009-04-22, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>>> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO in the areas where they have native coverage. But I
>>> doubt they're running their own network in the areas marked as "extended."

>>
>> MetroPCS roams on Cricket, Cricket roams on MetroPCS. I don't think
>> that makes either of them an MVNO (if that were the definition every
>> US carrier would be an MVNO). I don't think MetroPCS uses Sprint's
>> network for anything.

>
> And MetroPCS Unlimited Nationwide includes the greater Cleveland area, and
> I lived there for over 34 years, and was a cellular user in that area from
> 1993-2003, and unless something changed since I left, neither Metro nor
> Cricket has a network in Cleveland.
>
> The local flat-rate unlimited provider in Cleveland is Northcoast PCS/Revol.


Yes. I forgot about them since they only operate in a couple of
markets (Verizon got most of the rest of their once-quite-extensive
spectrum holdings). For all I know there may be other small guys
which MetroPCS uses for roaming as well.

It doesn't really change the issue much. MetroPCS operates and sells
its own network in some markets, and roams on other (usually small)
carriers' facilities in other markets, which is very much the same
thing that all other US carriers do. It would be hard to call MetroPCS
an MVNO without having to call all other US cell phone operators
the same thing. And I still suspect Sprint in particular is not
friendly with MetroPCS at all, since MetroPCS is one of a small
handful of operators which Sprint goes to the trouble of listing
as "never-use-this" in their PRL.

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 04-23-2009, 08:57 AM
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Larry wrote:

> I was thinking more along the lines for the teens who don't live on the
> road out-of-town. They're thrilled to have Dad off their backs for the 439
> texts they sent yesterday....(c;]


No, it doesn't work for teens either, at least not where I live. If the
teen is involved at all in after-school sports or other extra-curricular
activities, where they go out of town. I.e. all eight graders in our
district have a week long trip to Yosemite (if they want to go, and
amazingly some turn it down). Even within my own town, right in the
heart of Silicon Valley, there are many areas, including some schools
and sports facilities, where there is no coverage at all other than on
Verizon, and recently (over resident's objections) the city council
attempted to address this issue by passing a law allowing cell phone
towers in places like playgrounds, parks, and open space areas, in order
to solve the coverage problems on AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint. What was
amusing was that in every area where they were lamenting the lack of
coverage and the need for towers, they also admitted that they
personally did have coverage because they had all simply chosen the only
carrier with coverage. But this had also prevented them from buying an
iPhone and supporting the city's largest private employer!

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Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> MetroPCS roams on Cricket, Cricket roams on MetroPCS. I don't think
> that makes either of them an MVNO (if that were the definition every
> US carrier would be an MVNO). I don't think MetroPCS uses Sprint's
> network for anything.


They often co-locate under the Sprint antennas on Sprint towers, but on
a sub-set of them.

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Dennis Ferguson wrote:

> It doesn't really change the issue much. MetroPCS operates and sells
> its own network in some markets, and roams on other (usually small)
> carriers' facilities in other markets, which is very much the same
> thing that all other US carriers do. It would be hard to call MetroPCS
> an MVNO without having to call all other US cell phone operators
> the same thing. And I still suspect Sprint in particular is not
> friendly with MetroPCS at all, since MetroPCS is one of a small
> handful of operators which Sprint goes to the trouble of listing
> as "never-use-this" in their PRL.


Yet Sprint leases MetroPCS space on many of their towers.

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On 2009-04-23, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson wrote:
>> It doesn't really change the issue much. MetroPCS operates and sells
>> its own network in some markets, and roams on other (usually small)
>> carriers' facilities in other markets, which is very much the same
>> thing that all other US carriers do. It would be hard to call MetroPCS
>> an MVNO without having to call all other US cell phone operators
>> the same thing. And I still suspect Sprint in particular is not
>> friendly with MetroPCS at all, since MetroPCS is one of a small
>> handful of operators which Sprint goes to the trouble of listing
>> as "never-use-this" in their PRL.

>
> Yet Sprint leases MetroPCS space on many of their towers.


I guess so, though, judged just by the tower in the parking lot
at work, Sprint also leases tower space to AT&T and Verizon. The
only MetroPCS cell site I'm sure about is on a tower by itself.

In fact most cell towers big enough to share aren't owned by
any of the cell phone companies any more; for the last 5 or
6 years they've been selling them off to management companies
like American Tower, TowerCo and Crown Castle. While I'm sure
you can find towers that Sprint and MetroPCS share I'm equally
confident you can find towers shared by just about any combination
of carriers. I know of no reason to think that Sprint and MetroPCS
have any sort of special relationship.

Dennis Ferguson

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Steve Sobol wrote:
> On 2009-04-22, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO. Another regional PCS carrier with a cheap price
>> operates around here but they only have good coverage in the very
>> central area of this region. They have their own equipment.

>
> MetroPCS isn't an MVNO in the areas where they have native coverage. But I
> doubt they're running their own network in the areas marked as "extended."
>


I think it is pretty likely they simply cut roaming agreements with
other similar carriers.

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Old 04-23-2009, 04:12 PM
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
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> Larry wrote:
>
>> I was thinking more along the lines for the teens who don't live on
>> the road out-of-town. They're thrilled to have Dad off their backs
>> for the 439 texts they sent yesterday....(c;]

>
> No, it doesn't work for teens either, at least not where I live. If
> the teen is involved at all in after-school sports or other
> extra-curricular activities, where they go out of town. I.e. all eight
> graders in our district have a week long trip to Yosemite (if they
> want to go, and amazingly some turn it down). Even within my own town,
> right in the heart of Silicon Valley, there are many areas, including
> some schools and sports facilities, where there is no coverage at all
> other than on Verizon, and recently (over resident's objections) the
> city council attempted to address this issue by passing a law allowing
> cell phone towers in places like playgrounds, parks, and open space
> areas, in order to solve the coverage problems on AT&T, T-Mobile, and
> Sprint. What was amusing was that in every area where they were
> lamenting the lack of coverage and the need for towers, they also
> admitted that they personally did have coverage because they had all
> simply chosen the only carrier with coverage. But this had also
> prevented them from buying an iPhone and supporting the city's largest
> private employer!
>


Nothing is more beautiful than a 500 to 1000 foot, broadbased, hurricane-
proof, red and white tower with YOUR radio system way up at the top,
running enough power to heat a small subdivision!....(c;]

Oh, sorry....old paging habits are hard to break...

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