Snit wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> stated in post
>> Do you, Oxford, have any actual data to support your continued claim
>> that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
>> network or else one they already have bought the right to use?
>
> Maybe not now... but maybe soon?
Not "maybe now", but definitively beyond any shadow of doubt most people
are NOT in range of free and open WiFi.
Not "maybe soon", try never...by the time almost to never comes around,
WiFi will be replaced.
> > Do you, Oxford, have any actual data to support your continued claim
> > that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
> > network or else one they already have bought the right to use?
>
> Maybe not now... but maybe soon?
>
> <http://meraki.com/>
Why is it that these "share your access to create open WiFi for everyone"
ideas are always basically just store fronts for proprietary routers and
APs?
> > > Do you, Oxford, have any actual data to support your continued claim
> > > that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
> > > network or else one they already have bought the right to use?
> >
> > Maybe not now... but maybe soon?
> >
> > <http://meraki.com/>
>
>
> Why is it that these "share your access to create open WiFi for everyone"
> ideas are always basically just store fronts for proprietary routers and
> APs?
Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
These companies are providing a service so need to tie into "known"
hardware to make the world free of greedy cell phone companies.
Soon, you'll see a plethora of software only solutions like LinSpot that
make any $10 wireless router free, add in a couple 100 million routers
and the goal for "everyone" will be achieved.
The life cycle of cell phone companies is coming to a quick close, Apple
knows it, thus the iPhone, which is the world No. 1 wifi phone will be
the winner for decades to come.
Looks like Orange in France has already sold 50,000 iPhones even before
they came on sale! too funny...
The cell world is about to massively change Todd, I know it, most Apple
users know it, but you don't.
> > Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
> > by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
>
> I'm not fighting it- I'll happily embrace it if/when a workable model
> emerges. A rag-tag assortment of home uses with $40 proprietary APs isn't
> it, however.
ah, just like Apple was a "rag-tag" company that changed computing
forever in 1976-77... you just aren't of pioneering stock Todd, you are
a weak, "follower", not a headstrong developer like me and most all Mac
users. That's fine of course, but we can still laugh at your weakness
for pushing technology forward approach.
$40 today will be $20 in 12 months, will be $10 in 24 months will be $5
in 36. Don't you understand how computing works? It seems you are still
lost in the obsolete Cell World, none of that matters now that Apple
controls the Cell Market.
> > These companies are providing a service so need to tie into "known"
> > hardware to make the world free of greedy cell phone companies.
>
> Why is a cellphone company "greedy" when it offers a competitive service?
> Unlimited web/e-mail access is $6/month from my provider (T-Mobile.)
> Hardly seems "greedy" to me.
A "competitive service" in a well functioning cell market would be $5 or
less for unlimited data and unlimited voice calls by "this point in
time"...
but for some reason... the price is always $39, $49, $59... and that is
CLEARLY COLLUSION! and Apple will have no tolerance for such weakness in
a market.
The Cell Industry is highly uncompetitive, and we all know that, so
Apple will set all the players straight, it's just how Apple works when
it takes over a market.
> > Soon, you'll see a plethora of software only solutions like LinSpot that
> > make any $10 wireless router free, add in a couple 100 million routers
> > and the goal for "everyone" will be achieved.
> >
> > http://www.linspot.com/
>
> Oh, is this the new flavor of the month, Oky? Last time you were hawking
> www.fon.com.
> > The life cycle of cell phone companies is coming to a quick close, Apple
> > knows it, thus the iPhone, which is the world No. 1 wifi phone will be
> > the winner for decades to come.
>
> That tired line again? If Apple was going to "kill off" cellular with WiFi-
> based devices, why not have simply launched the cellular-less Touch with a
> VoIP client?
Patience my friend, Patience... Apple only moves in strict, solid
directions, VoIP is one of them, take a look at iChatAV! that's the
future of all phone calls, but you wouldn't understand that yet...
> Apple's sleeping with AT&T now- the $10/month they get from every cellular
> iPhone customer gives then a Vested interest in keeping cellular alive and
> well.
>
> Between AT&T and the record Companies, Apple's bed is getting mighty
> crowded! ;-)
Both AT&T and Record companies are mere "puppets" to Apple at this stage
in the game. Apple controls them by revenue alone. Should Apple buy out
AT&T or Universal as has been suggested? Nope! Let them fall on their
own sword, then eat them.
> > Looks like Orange in France has already sold 50,000 iPhones even before
> > they came on sale! too funny...
>
> Yep- the consumer has spoken- they want unlocked iPhones.
Yes, and I FULLY AGREE! Apple should sell an unlocked iPhone in the
States as well, but everyone except AT&T is on such an old
infrastructure they can't support high end iPhone features such as
Visual Voice mail, Google Maps, Unlimited Internet, etc. so Apple is
kinda caught in that regard.
> > The cell world is about to massively change Todd, I know it, most Apple
> > users know it, but you don't.
> >
> > http://snipurl.com/1ubzw
> >
> > this is the most advanced, cheapest micro laptop you can buy!
>
> That's not a "micro-laptop"- it's an iPod/phone/webtablet.
Sure, but it remains the most advanced product for the price in the Cell
Market, everyone agrees with that.
Oh my god, how primitive! How HUGE, how EXPENSIVE! You can get twice the
power in 1/20th the space with the iPhone, for $200 less.
> It's larger, but it's an actual computer with a decent sized hard-drive and
> no "mobile OS" limitations.
But it's a product failure, won't ever sell above a million units.
> Not to take anything away from your blessed iPhone- it's a neat device for
> what it is, but "micro-laptop," it's not.
The iPhone is the greatest human achievement of this decade (so far)
would love to see a 6x8" version however... Jan 15th is coming up soon,
and I'll be first in line to see it.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>Do you, Oxford, have any actual data to support your continued claim
>>>>>that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
>>>>>network or else one they already have bought the right to use?
>>>>
>>>>Maybe not now... but maybe soon?
>>>>
>>>> <http://meraki.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why is it that these "share your access to create open WiFi for everyone"
>>>ideas are always basically just store fronts for proprietary routers and
>>>APs?
>>
>>Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
>>by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
>
>
> "going to be governed by free wireless access"??? I thought your claim
> was that there ALREADY IS free wireless access everywhere.
>
> So, Oxford: do you have any actual data to support your continued claim
> that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
> network or else one they have already bought to use?
>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
> > by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
>
> "going to be governed by free wireless access"??? I thought your claim
> was that there ALREADY IS free wireless access everywhere.
and can you point to a single claim where i ever said that?
of course not...
elmo, everyone knows you are a huge fool, but your false claim seals the
deal.
too funny!
> So, Oxford: do you have any actual data to support your continued claim
> that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
> network or else one they have already bought to use?
i've never said most people... i've simple said 90% of the time you are
in range of open wireless. which remains true.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
>
> > The iPhone is the greatest human achievement of this decade (so far)
>
> oh, boy. OK, here goes:
>
> what are the four greatest human achievements of the 20th century?
but i said of THIS DECADE...
love how you mistakenly move the goal posts... and thought nobody would
catch it...
you've been caught in a lie elmo... or is that liemo?
> Quick, right off the top of your head.
>
> I can't WAIT to see THAT list from you.
yes, now give us greatest human achievement of this decade...
In article
<linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
> this is the most advanced, cheapest micro laptop you can buy!
The iPhone isn't a laptop at all. It doesn't have and, currently, can
have a word processor. It doesn't have a real keyboard. It's a pretty
device, and for some users probably ideal, but a laptop it isn't.
The eee, at $400, actually is a cheap micro laptop.
David Friedman wrote:
> In article
> <linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
>
>
>>this is the most advanced, cheapest micro laptop you can buy!
>
>
> The iPhone isn't a laptop at all. It doesn't have and, currently, can
> have a word processor. It doesn't have a real keyboard. It's a pretty
> device, and for some users probably ideal, but a laptop it isn't.
>
> The eee, at $400, actually is a cheap micro laptop.
>
Any PocketPC Phone is a better choice, runs standard office software
suite, GSM, GPRS/EDGE/EVDO, WiFi, GPS, BT, MP3, etc.
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
>
> Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be
> governed by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
Simple- the model you are hallucinating about does not exist anywhere in
the world today. No utility is provided to the consumer for free.
>
> These companies are providing a service so need to tie into "known"
> hardware to make the world free of greedy cell phone companies.
You assume that tying into that hardware has no cast associated with it.
You are wrong.
You have a third grade knowledge of how these things work.
>
> Soon, you'll see a plethora of software only solutions like LinSpot
> that make any $10 wireless router free, add in a couple 100 million
> routers and the goal for "everyone" will be achieved.
>
> http://www.linspot.com/
Yep- and a dialup connection will end up giving you faster speeds.
>
> The life cycle of cell phone companies is coming to a quick close,
Cite?
> Apple knows it, thus the iPhone, which is the world No. 1 wifi phone
> will be the winner for decades to come.
#1 wifi phone. I didn't see you mention the Google project anywhere?
>
> Looks like Orange in France has already sold 50,000 iPhones even
> before they came on sale! too funny...
>
> The cell world is about to massively change Todd, I know it, most
> Apple users know it, but you don't.
Why would a third rate phone cause all of that?
>
> http://snipurl.com/1ubzw
>
> this is the most advanced, cheapest micro laptop you can buy!
>
> * 749 euros ($1,109) unlocked iPhone, no contract
> * 649 euros ($956) locked iPhone, no contract
> * 549 euros ($809) unlocked iPhone, with Orange contract
> * 399 euros ($588) locked iPhone, with Orange contract
> * 100 euros ($147) to unlock a locked iPhone
Simply further proof that Apple is more greedy than the cell phone
companies. SJ is simply in it for the buck.
Oxford wrote:
> Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
> by free wireless access
Ahhh...you must be from Planet Apple...well, on Earth, its a bit different.
Earth has 70% water coverage. Who is going to pay for all the APs out in
the ocean.
Oh, did you mean the inhabited dry areas of earth? The Florida
Everglades, Grand Tetons, Great Salt Lake Desert, and I-20 between
Odessa and El Paso are considered inhabitable land, but no one hardly
lives there, much less has high speed internet access.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article
> <linuxlovesosx-05D593.16202328112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
>
>> The iPhone is the greatest human achievement of this decade (so far)
>
> oh, boy. OK, here goes:
>
> what are the four greatest human achievements of the 20th century?
>
> Quick, right off the top of your head.
>
> I can't WAIT to see THAT list from you.
Off the top of my head, the machine that makes electric light bulbs is
pretty high up there.
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-82EA4C.16431128112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:
>
> i've never said most people... i've simple said 90% of the time you
> are in range of open wireless. which remains true.
No it doesn't- no open wireless when I visit some of the technology
companies I do business with. That time alone takes me far below 90%. It
would also apply to the thousands of employees at those places of
employment as well.
In article <ddfr-48633E.16081128112007@news.isp.giganews.com>,
David Friedman <ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com> wrote:
> In article
> <linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
>
> > this is the most advanced, cheapest micro laptop you can buy!
>
> The iPhone isn't a laptop at all. It doesn't have and, currently, can
> have a word processor. It doesn't have a real keyboard. It's a pretty
> device, and for some users probably ideal, but a laptop it isn't.
That was supposed to be "It doesn't have and, currently, cannot have ..."
> Oxford wrote:
> > Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
> > by free wireless access
>
> Ahhh...you must be from Planet Apple...well, on Earth, its a bit different.
>
> Earth has 70% water coverage. Who is going to pay for all the APs out in
> the ocean.
smirk
but back to rationality...
> Oh, did you mean the inhabited dry areas of earth? The Florida
> Everglades, Grand Tetons, Great Salt Lake Desert, and I-20 between
> Odessa and El Paso are considered inhabitable land, but no one hardly
> lives there, much less has high speed internet access.
>
> > that $10 wireless router free
>
> Really! Name one that sells for $10 curretnly.
ebay has hundreds of them sold every day -
go to ebay.com
do a search for: wireless / router... then sort low to high.
hopefully this link will work so you can understand what is actually
happening in the fast moving world of free wireless...
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in
news:linuxlovesosx-8A1231.19230828112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>> > Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be
>> > governed by free wireless access
>>
>> Ahhh...you must be from Planet Apple...well, on Earth, its a bit
>> different.
>>
>> Earth has 70% water coverage. Who is going to pay for all the APs out
>> in the ocean.
>
> smirk
>
> but back to rationality...
>
>> Oh, did you mean the inhabited dry areas of earth? The Florida
>> Everglades, Grand Tetons, Great Salt Lake Desert, and I-20 between
>> Odessa and El Paso are considered inhabitable land, but no one hardly
>> lives there, much less has high speed internet access.
>>
>> > that $10 wireless router free
>>
>> Really! Name one that sells for $10 curretnly.
>
> ebay has hundreds of them sold every day -
>
> go to ebay.com
>
> do a search for: wireless / router... then sort low to high.
Sorry you can't afford to buy new technology and have to resort to people's
cast aways.
Actually, I'm not sorry at all.
>
> hopefully this link will work so you can understand what is actually
> happening in the fast moving world of free wireless...
>
You call that a fast moving world? Oh- I forgot you were an SJ fanboi.
You're used to pipe dreams
"Oxford" <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote in message
news:linuxlovesosx-874489.12144428112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>> > > Do you, Oxford, have any actual data to support your continued claim
>> > > that most people in the United States are in range of either a free
>> > > WiFi
>> > > network or else one they already have bought the right to use?
>> >
>> > Maybe not now... but maybe soon?
>> >
>> > <http://meraki.com/>
>>
>>
>> Why is it that these "share your access to create open WiFi for everyone"
>> ideas are always basically just store fronts for proprietary routers and
>> APs?
>
> Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
> by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
>
> These companies are providing a service so need to tie into "known"
> hardware to make the world free of greedy cell phone companies.
why do you consider a for profit wifi access company (like meraki) any less
greedy than a for profit cell phone company?
> Soon, you'll see a plethora of software only solutions like LinSpot that
> make any $10 wireless router free, add in a couple 100 million routers
> and the goal for "everyone" will be achieved.
>
> http://www.linspot.com/
Oxford wrote:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>> Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
>>> by free wireless access
>> Ahhh...you must be from Planet Apple...well, on Earth, its a bit different.
>>
>> Earth has 70% water coverage. Who is going to pay for all the APs out in
>> the ocean.
>
> smirk
>
> but back to rationality...
No...lets go back to YOUR proclamation that "the entire planet" will be
covered.
>> Oh, did you mean the inhabited dry areas of earth? The Florida
>> Everglades, Grand Tetons, Great Salt Lake Desert, and I-20 between
>> Odessa and El Paso are considered inhabitable land, but no one hardly
>> lives there, much less has high speed internet access.
I see that you didn't touch on that comment.
>>> that $10 wireless router free
>> Really! Name one that sells for $10 curretnly.
>
> ebay has hundreds of them sold every day -
>
> go to ebay.com
> http://snipurl.com/1ucnn
Consumer crap...I should have known. And most of it used...
Oxford wrote:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>> Oxford wrote:
>>> that $10 wireless router free
>> Really! Name one that sells for $10 curretnly.
>
> ebay has hundreds of them sold every day -
>
> go to ebay.com
>
> do a search for: wireless / router... then sort low to high.
>
> hopefully this link will work so you can understand what is actually
> happening in the fast moving world of free wireless...
All of my APs cost well over $600, but then they are carrier-class
professional products, my client radios are just under $250. Well beyond
your weekly allowance and well beyond your understanding of WiFi and
radio communications.
"fast moving world of free wireless" is a failed model moving fast down
the drain...you just haven't yet discovered that yet.
In news:linuxlovesosx-82EA4C.16431128112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> typed:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>> Going forward, it's inevitable the entire planet is going to be governed
>>> by free wireless access, so why fight it Todd?
>>
>> "going to be governed by free wireless access"??? I thought your claim
>> was that there ALREADY IS free wireless access everywhere.
>
> and can you point to a single claim where i ever said that?
>
> of course not...
>
> elmo, everyone knows you are a huge fool, but your false claim seals the
> deal.
>
> too funny!
>
>> So, Oxford: do you have any actual data to support your continued claim
>> that most people in the United States are in range of either a free WiFi
>> network or else one they have already bought to use?
>
> i've never said most people... i've simple said 90% of the time you are
> in range of open wireless. which remains true.
>
> elmo, as always, plays the fool...
I just did a quick calculation and found that indeed 90% of the time I am in
close proximity to an actual computer with a real keyboard and large screen.
I use a cell phone for the other 10% of the time when I am out and about,
not near my home or office. lol
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> I asked you a question: what are the four greatest human achievements
> of the 20th century?
but you failed to ask it correctly. points off for you.
> Since you're so good at evaluating "greatest human achievements" and
> all, I thought it would be....interesting.....to see your answer to
> this, so we can evaluate your thought processes.
> > do a search for: wireless / router... then sort low to high.
> >
> > hopefully this link will work so you can understand what is actually
> > happening in the fast moving world of free wireless...
>
> All of my APs cost well over $600, but then they are carrier-class
> professional products, my client radios are just under $250. Well beyond
> your weekly allowance and well beyond your understanding of WiFi and
> radio communications.
>
> "fast moving world of free wireless" is a failed model moving fast down
> the drain...you just haven't yet discovered that yet.
so you finally admit you aren't keeping up with the fast moving world of
wireless, you are still stuck with expensive, low end iron...
Oxford wrote:
> News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>
>> ...And can roam seamlessly between cells/APs...
>
> as you can with apple's wireless base stations since the beginning of
> 802.11 time...
>
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58596
>
> active roaming isn't unique to cell phones, geeeesh!
Roaming is indeed unique to cellphones when it comes to real world
expectations.
In article
<linuxlovesosx-A1FB71.22402928112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <linuxlovesosx@superart.com> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
> > I asked you a question: what are the four greatest human achievements
> > of the 20th century?
>
> but you failed to ask it correctly. points off for you.
>
> > Since you're so good at evaluating "greatest human achievements" and
> > all, I thought it would be....interesting.....to see your answer to
> > this, so we can evaluate your thought processes.
>
> that's easy...
>
> airplane, transistor, www, landing on the moon.
They beat the invention/discovery of quantum mechanics, relativity, game
theory and continental drift?
Oxford wrote:
> DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote:
>
>>> go to ebay.com
>>> http://snipurl.com/1ucnn
>> Consumer crap...I should have known. And most of it used...
>
> about 1/2 of ebay items are brand new, so catch a clue.
>
> professional gear is up there too if you don't understand the market...
>
> lastly, please tell everyone how used wireless is different than new
> wireless?
>
> hint: it's the same, just costs less.
>
> DTC, caught in another corner by the great Oxford.
How much several hundred dollar gear is sold at $10? Don't you even
wonder why people would want to take such a loss?
> Oxford wrote:
>
>> News <News@Groups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...And can roam seamlessly between cells/APs...
>>
>>
>> as you can with apple's wireless base stations since the beginning of
>> 802.11 time...
>>
>> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58596
>>
>> active roaming isn't unique to cell phones, geeeesh!
>
>
> Roaming is indeed unique to cellphones when it comes to real world
> expectations.
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