This looks like a great new pure Google phone. Too bad the following web
page does not show the full specs, especially the data bands. I'm also
not sure about LG and how they compare to HTC. What do you guys know
about that?
> This looks like a great new pure Google phone. Too bad the
> following web page does not show the full specs, especially the
> data bands.
That's essential information now with the AT&T buyout looming on the
horizon. If I were buying an expensive phone I'd want to be sure it
would work on either T-Mo or AT&T's network.
"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9EC177F772526xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
> That's essential information now with the AT&T buyout looming on the
> horizon. If I were buying an expensive phone I'd want to be sure it
> would work on either T-Mo or AT&T's network.
The following independent web site does show the band specs too, and
they include the AT&T data bands. I wonder though if this will
eventually be verified by T-Mobile. In any case, the data speed is still
not upto what's availale at T-Mo. I just wonder what's the point of
speeding up their data network without offering phones to take advantage
of it. There must be some disconnect between their network people and
headset marketing.
> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9EC177F772526xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...
>> That's essential information now with the AT&T buyout looming on
>> the horizon. If I were buying an expensive phone I'd want to be
>> sure it would work on either T-Mo or AT&T's network.
>
> The following independent web site does show the band specs
> too, and
> they include the AT&T data bands. I wonder though if this will
> eventually be verified by T-Mobile. In any case, the data speed is
> still not upto what's availale at T-Mo. I just wonder what's the
> point of speeding up their data network without offering phones to
> take advantage of it. There must be some disconnect between their
> network people and headset marketing.
>
> <http://www.phonearena.com/phones/T-Mobile-G2x_id5272/fullspecs>
Thanks, good information. Now all I need is a World phone with great
specs because I'll be back to VZW as soon as the ATT buyout goes
through. Although I had coverage problems with VZW they always treated
me right and their "Old Fart" plan makes 'em the same price as AT&T
(also an "Old Fart" plan) and much cheaper than Sprint.
> Thanks, good information. Now all I need is a World phone with great
> specs because I'll be back to VZW as soon as the ATT buyout goes
> through. Although I had coverage problems with VZW they always treated
> me right and their "Old Fart" plan makes 'em the same price as AT&T
> (also an "Old Fart" plan) and much cheaper than Sprint.
I was talking to an "old fart" while at a hotel and she was complaining
that she had used up her 200 minutes on the Verizon 65+ plan while on
vacation (where of course she had no landline). I suggested that she
call Verizon and ask for a one time "grant" of some extra minutes, which
she did (they gave her 50).
She was saying that it was a really good deal on service, 200 minutes
for only $30 a month. I explained to her that that was actually a
terrible deal, and with the same phone she was using she could get 1200
minutes for the same price on Verizon's network (actually less since the
$29.99 Verizon charges does not include tax, federal, state & local
fees, or Verizon's garbage fees) by using Pageplus. Even if you don't
care about text or data, the $29.95 Talk N Text 1200 plan on Pageplus is
a better deal than the Verizon 65+ plan, unless you do a tremendous
amount of mobile to mobile calling.
> She was saying that it was a really good deal on service, 200
> minutes for only $30 a month. I explained to her that that was
> actually a terrible deal
It's a REALLY good deal for those of us who's minutes never exceed
20 while travelling or 10 - 12 while at home, I'm currently at 3
minutes for about 1/4 of the month.
> and with the same phone she was using she could get 1200 minutes
> for the same price on Verizon's network (actually less since the
> $29.99 Verizon charges does not include tax, federal, state &
> local fees, or Verizon's garbage fees) by using Pageplus. Even if
> you don't care about text or data, the $29.95 Talk N Text 1200
> plan on Pageplus is a better deal than the Verizon 65+ plan,
> unless you do a tremendous amount of mobile to mobile calling.
I do little mobile to mobile calling, what would Pageplus charge me for
15 minutes talk and unlimited data? Spending 30/mo for t-mo or vzw
voice allows me to get a data plan.
T-Mo used to have data only plans with a few cents/minute for voice and
that's what I wanted but they'd discontinued that before I signed on (a
couple of days before, it was still on their website!) I'd have been
spending less than $10/month for voice and had unlimited data, I sure
wish they still had that plan....
On 4/10/2011 8:24 AM, XS11E wrote:
> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/9/2011 9:13 AM, XS11E wrote:
>
>> She was saying that it was a really good deal on service, 200
>> minutes for only $30 a month. I explained to her that that was
>> actually a terrible deal
>
> It's a REALLY good deal for those of us who's minutes never exceed
> 20 while travelling or 10 - 12 while at home, I'm currently at 3
> minutes for about 1/4 of the month.
Then it's an even much worse deal than I originally stated.
For $30 a YEAR (the minimum you can get on Pageplus) you would get 20
minutes per month. $10 every 120 days minus about $0.50 every 30 days
leaves $24 worth of 10 cent minutes, or 240 minutes. You do have to
remember to add $10 every 120 days.
For $80 a YEAR you could have 154 minutes per month with a once per year
payment on Verizon's network. After less than three months on the old
fart's plan you'd have spent $80.
> For $30 a YEAR (the minimum you can get on Pageplus) you would get
> 20 minutes per month. $10 every 120 days minus about $0.50 every
> 30 days leaves $24 worth of 10 cent minutes, or 240 minutes. You
> do have to remember to add $10 every 120 days.
So how much is unlimited BIS? How much is unlimited data for Android,
iPhone, WinMo? Pageplus is totally useless to me or anyone with a
smart phone.
On 4/11/2011 8:21 AM, XS11E wrote:
> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> For $30 a YEAR (the minimum you can get on Pageplus) you would get
>> 20 minutes per month. $10 every 120 days minus about $0.50 every
>> 30 days leaves $24 worth of 10 cent minutes, or 240 minutes. You
>> do have to remember to add $10 every 120 days.
>
> So how much is unlimited BIS? How much is unlimited data for Android,
> iPhone, WinMo? Pageplus is totally useless to me or anyone with a
> smart phone.
LOL, you were going on and on about the senior plans, which have no data
at all, and how few minutes you used, and how you were going to switch
to a 200 minute senior plan for $30 a month on Verizon if the T-Mobile
acquisition by AT&T takes place. Now all of a sudden unlimited data and
BIS support are crucial? Are you looking for a) an inexpensive plan for
light usage, or b) an expensive plan with unlimited data on a Blackberry?
If it's an inexpensive low usage plan, if you compare the senior plan on
AT&T and Verizon to Pageplus, the postpaid senior plans on those
carriers are an abysmal deal. The only way they are able to sell any of
these plans is that they are selling to consumers with more money than
knowledge.
If you're looking for BIS then forget about Pageplus. It would make no
sense to have a Blackberry on Pageplus, unless you didn't care about BIS
services and already had the handset (and some people _are_ using
Blackberrys on Pageplus without BIS).
There is no unlimited data on Pageplus. But if you believe every recent
study that's come out on smart phone data usage, that's not a problem
for the vast majority of smart phone users whose usage of 3G data while
away from home, work (or other places where Wi-Fi is available), is well
under the 100MB offered by Pageplus.
It's certainly a bit less convenient to switch to Wi-Fi when it's
available rather than to use 3G all the time, but the studies all show
that the average user could easily use 100MB or less of 3G without any
change in the total MB of data served to the phone, or any other change
in data usage patterns. The "power" user, who's watching streaming
videos, listening to Pandora all day, and transferring large numbers of
high resolution photos over 3G would obviously not be happy with 100MB.
Even those relatively few users that presently do use >100MB of data
while away from non-3G networks might be persuaded that saving $50 a
month by slightly delaying the uploading/downloading of large quantities
of data is worth it. Wi-Fi has become so ubiquitous, it would likely not
be a long delay, nor would it require any special trips to a place where
Wi-Fi was available.
> On 4/11/2011 8:21 AM, XS11E wrote:
>> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For $30 a YEAR (the minimum you can get on Pageplus) you would
>>> get 20 minutes per month. $10 every 120 days minus about $0.50
>>> every 30 days leaves $24 worth of 10 cent minutes, or 240
>>> minutes. You do have to remember to add $10 every 120 days.
>>
>> So how much is unlimited BIS? How much is unlimited data for
>> Android, iPhone, WinMo? Pageplus is totally useless to me or
>> anyone with a smart phone.
>
> LOL, you were going on and on about the senior plans, which have
> no data at all, and how few minutes you used, and how you were
> going to switch to a 200 minute senior plan for $30 a month on
> Verizon if the T-Mobile acquisition by AT&T takes place. Now all
> of a sudden unlimited data and BIS support are crucial? Are you
> looking for a) an inexpensive plan for light usage, or b) an
> expensive plan with unlimited data on a Blackberry?
Why not read before replying? I don't use voice, I use a lot of data.
I want an inexpensive voice plan for VERY light usage with an unlimited
data plan which T-Mo and VZW both offer. Sprint, Pageplus, etc. do NOT
offer any such plans.
"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> Why not read before replying? I don't use voice, I use a lot of data.
> I want an inexpensive voice plan for VERY light usage with an
> unlimited
> data plan which T-Mo and VZW both offer. Sprint, Pageplus, etc. do
> NOT
> offer any such plans.
My situation exactly. I also use very few voice minutes. If anything, I
use more more texting than voice, but data I could use a lot. They
should have plans designed for people like us.
> Why not read before replying? I don't use voice, I use a lot of data.
> I want an inexpensive voice plan for VERY light usage with an unlimited
> data plan which T-Mo and VZW both offer. Sprint, Pageplus, etc. do NOT
> offer any such plans.
Maybe you should look at Sprint's Virgin service where unlimited data is
$25 with 300 talk minutes. The data and voice coverage is only on
Sprint's native 3G network, which isn't great, but it's probably no
worse than data coverage on T-Mobile (though a bit slower). Neither
carrier is probably going to be around in the long term.
For reliable voice coverage with T-Mobile or Sprint you should always be
carrying a Pageplus phone for those areas without T-Mobile or Sprint
coverage.
On 4/12/2011 12:48 PM, Cameo wrote:
> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>> Why not read before replying? I don't use voice, I use a lot of data.
>> I want an inexpensive voice plan for VERY light usage with an unlimited
>> data plan which T-Mo and VZW both offer. Sprint, Pageplus, etc. do NOT
>> offer any such plans.
>
> My situation exactly. I also use very few voice minutes. If anything, I
> use more more texting than voice, but data I could use a lot. They
> should have plans designed for people like us.
They do, they're the unlimited data plans. Voice is a giveaway these
days. Once you have unlimited data you essentially have unlimited voice
anyway.
> On 4/12/2011 12:48 PM, Cameo wrote:
>> They should have plans designed for people like us.
>
> They do, they're the unlimited data plans. Voice is a giveaway
> these days. Once you have unlimited data you essentially have
> unlimited voice anyway.
Not really, AFAIK T-Mo no longer has any data plan w/o a voice plan nor
do they have the data plan with the per/minute voice plan.
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 16:16:27 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> For reliable voice coverage with T-Mobile
>
> It's been totally reliable, I've never been anywhere I couldn't connect
> and if I were, I have UMA which isn't available anywhere but T-Mo.
What's more, T-Mo reliably passes along *.ru-based bulk spam MMS messages
through their email-to-MMS gateway -- "filtering? -- schmiltering!" they say.
Just today, for example, half a dozen pieces of spam arrived, pushing meds,
watches, and body-part enlargements, through drugstoretop.ru, globalrxgift.ru,
enlargefastvote.ru, watchesevent.ru, and medicbuytablets.ru.
And their C.C. lines are busier than ever. I don't think I can listen to their
JungleDanceFever music-on-hold much longer without going bats :-) .
> We don't know yet what AT&T will do about UMA *IF* the buyout goes
> through.
But we can be sure they'll try to maximize their revenues from delivery of
unsolicited bulk spam MMS :-) .
Cheers, -- tlvp
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At 12 Apr 2011 13:26:31 -0700 XS11E wrote:
> "Cameo" <cameo@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > They should have plans designed for people like us.
>
> They did, about a year back T-Mo offered unlimited data for around...
> My memory may have slipped but I think it was about $30/month?
>
> Voice was 20 cents per minute and that made it just perfect for me!
> When I signed up, they'd already dropped the plan. <sigh>
AT&T used too have a similar plan a few years ago, called "PDA Connect"
or something like that. It was $35/month for unlimited data and some
high per minute charge for voice, like $0.35.
Like T-Mo they killed it when they went to 3G, except on AT&T that was
longer ago. Probably too many smartphones had tethering abilities,
making such plans potential liabilities compared to the $50-60 laptop
plans.
At 12 Apr 2011 13:28:44 -0700 XS11E wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 4/12/2011 12:48 PM, Cameo wrote:
> >> They should have plans designed for people like us.
> >
> > They do, they're the unlimited data plans. Voice is a giveaway
> > these days. Once you have unlimited data you essentially have
> > unlimited voice anyway.
>
> Not really, AFAIK T-Mo no longer has any data plan w/o a voice plan nor
> do they have the data plan with the per/minute voice plan.
I think Steven's point was that data add-ons are priced cheaper than
(current) standalone data plans so the voice is essentially "free."
A data-only laptop card plan (the only data only contact plan currently
available) runs $60 or so, and the cheapest voice plus unlimited data
smartphone plan on T-Mo is about the same.
The cheapest option for unlimited data only on T-Mobile is the pay by the
day plan for $1.49. While that is $45/month, the old $30 plan would've
probably been close to $40 after fees and taxes anyway. The day plan
doesn't require a contract and you only pay on the days you use it.
(There's a login page so the phone can't just connect by itself to
retrieve email or whatever, and run up the bill.)
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:35:01 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What's more, T-Mo reliably passes along *.ru-based bulk spam MMS
>> messages through their email-to-MMS gateway -- "filtering? --
>> schmiltering!" they say.
>
> I've receive no spam messages, they're very easy to block. ...
Yep, or anyway they *would* be ... *if* you don't trigger Active Server
Error messages when you try to access the EmailFilters.aspx settings page.
I, and a few other unfortunates, have been triggering those errors
on that page on the my.t-mobile.com site SINCE mid-JUNE of 2009 (!).
The customer care reps I tell that to, none of whom believe me,
all change their tune when THEY TOO, trying to access that page for
my account, run into the same 500-style errors as I do.
> ... I'm
> currently blocking ALL MMS but it's very easy to block only those you
> don't want.
Yup, very easy -- except for those of us for whom it's been impossible
for nigh onto two years now. (Another one of the myriad little problems
at&t doesn't know it's buying as it seeks to buy T-Mobile :-) .)
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
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> Yep, or anyway they *would* be ... *if* you don't trigger Active
> Server Error messages when you try to access the EmailFilters.aspx
> settings page.
When's the last time you tried? I've had other problems with the T-Mo
website and I notice they've made some changes, maybe they accidentally
fixed it?
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:39:04 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, or anyway they *would* be ... *if* you don't trigger Active
>> Server Error messages when you try to access the EmailFilters.aspx
>> settings page.
>
> When's the last time you tried?
Day before yesterday :-{ . And a Cust. Care Rep. who *did* manage to get in
and *did* manage to create one MMS filter ... got a Server Error when trying
to Save Changes -- his filter didn't stick.
> ... I've had other problems with the T-Mo
> website and I notice they've made some changes, maybe they accidentally
> fixed it?
That'd be too good to be true :-) . But thanks for the thought.
Cheers, -- tlvp
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On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:10:17 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That'd be too good to be true :-) . But thanks for the thought.
>
> Easy fix, just tell the CS person what's going on, they'll report it
> and get the website fixed sometime this century or next....
Next decade, maybe, after the at&t merger :-) . I (and others) have been
on them about it since Ju. 2009 to no effect. Trouble tickets, Helpdesk
tickets, and still other sorts of tickets have been issued -- and closed,
unresolved -- on it, by the dozens!
Seemingly, from their side of the great corporate firewall,
the "engineers" see no problem to resolve.
Cheers, -- tlvp
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>> Easy fix, just tell the CS person what's going on, they'll report
>> it and get the website fixed sometime this century or next....
>
> Next decade, maybe, after the at&t merger :-) . I (and others)
> have been on them about it since Ju. 2009 to no effect. Trouble
> tickets, Helpdesk tickets, and still other sorts of tickets have
> been issued -- and closed, unresolved -- on it, by the dozens!
These things take time but they do get resolved, I complained to VZW
about the dead spot at my sister's house and they said they knew about
it and were working on it. Within a few days they sent a truck and
tech who determined, "Yep, it's a dead spot!" They haven't fixed it
yet but it's only been 11 years so you have to be patient! <G>
I fixed the dead spot myself by switching to T-Mobile which does not
have a dead spot at her house, I may be the only one in the world who
left VZW because of poor coverage and moved to T-Mobile because of
better coverage! <G>
With T-Mo's own coverage plus UMA I'm covered everywhere I've been so
far.
On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:20:39 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> tlvp <tPlOvUpBErLeLsEs@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:10:17 -0400, XS11E <xs11eNO@spamyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> Easy fix, just tell the CS person what's going on, they'll report
>>> it and get the website fixed sometime this century or next....
>>
>> Next decade, maybe, after the at&t merger :-) . I (and others)
>> have been on them about it since Ju. 2009 to no effect. Trouble
>> tickets, Helpdesk tickets, and still other sorts of tickets have
>> been issued -- and closed, unresolved -- on it, by the dozens!
>
> These things take time but they do get resolved, I complained to VZW
> about the dead spot at my sister's house and they said they knew about
> it and were working on it. Within a few days they sent a truck and
> tech who determined, "Yep, it's a dead spot!" They haven't fixed it
> yet but it's only been 11 years so you have to be patient! <G>
There aren't really any alternatives to being patient, are there? :-)
> I fixed the dead spot myself by switching to T-Mobile ...
I wouldn't call that a *fix* -- that's a *work-around* :-) .
> ... which does not
> have a dead spot at her house, I may be the only one in the world who
> left VZW because of poor coverage and moved to T-Mobile because of
> better coverage! <G>
Noted :-) .
> With T-Mo's own coverage plus UMA I'm covered everywhere I've been so
> far.
Enjoy them in good health :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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In article <Xns9ECA9C176175Dxs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1>, XS11E says...
>
> These things take time but they do get resolved, I complained to VZW
> about the dead spot at my sister's house and they said they knew about
> it and were working on it. Within a few days they sent a truck and
> tech who determined, "Yep, it's a dead spot!" They haven't fixed it
> yet but it's only been 11 years so you have to be patient! <G>
Sometimes you have to be proactive about it.
I used to live in Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio, a small suburb that used to
consist of mostly summer cottages. For a long time, AT&T and Verizon had
no coverage there (T-Mobile hadn't entered Cleveland yet). Sprint had a
tower right on the edge of the city. Verizon had nothing.
I was able to get Verizon to add coverage in about six months, but I
gave them some additional information... Sprint's tower was in nearby
Mentor, so I suggested they could colocate equipment on that tower. I
gave them the name and address of the Mentor city official in charge of
zoning, too...
"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.2815412d721675839896f8@news.justthe.net.. .
> Sometimes you have to be proactive about it.
>
> I used to live in Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio, a small suburb that used
> to
> consist of mostly summer cottages. For a long time, AT&T and Verizon
> had
> no coverage there (T-Mobile hadn't entered Cleveland yet). Sprint had
> a
> tower right on the edge of the city. Verizon had nothing.
>
> I was able to get Verizon to add coverage in about six months, but I
> gave them some additional information... Sprint's tower was in nearby
> Mentor, so I suggested they could colocate equipment on that tower. I
> gave them the name and address of the Mentor city official in charge
> of
> zoning, too...
Nice. I also had no T-Mo coverage at my house when I bought my first
phone even though it is located about two straight miles from the T-Mo
HQ. So I kept *****ing about it, writing everywhere I could, including
to the T-Mo guy who I thought was in charge of such things, pointing out
the irony of the situation and how bad it reflected on the company. I
don't know if it had any effect on seeing a tower erected soon two
blocks from my house or if it would have happened anyway, but I like to
believe that they may have gotten tired of hearing from me. Many delays
are caused, however, by city permit issues. It seems that everybody
wants good coverage, but not a tower in their backyard. (As if it was
some nuclear power plant, or something.)
In article <iogq1j$apg$1@dont-email.me>, Cameo says...
> blocks from my house or if it would have happened anyway, but I like
to
> believe that they may have gotten tired of hearing from me. Many delays
> are caused, however, by city permit issues. It seems that everybody
> wants good coverage, but not a tower in their backyard. (As if it was
> some nuclear power plant, or something.)
Right. I think everyone's afraid that they're going to end up with
cancer from all of the radiation from those towers. There are also
aesthetic issues. On the other hand, there are ways to resolve the
aesthetic issues!
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