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Old 03-27-2011, 03:01 PM
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Default Invisible Energy For Cell Phones So They Can Track You With Your Battery Out Of Your Phone


It is possible for a phones GPS to be self powered, no battery needed,
by the energy available from the environment. Most probably deriven
from angels.

The technology was demonstrated in a cell phone that could charge it's
own battery from the ambient energy in the environment. Expect every
cell phone to do this in a couple of months.

A GPS chip requires less energy than charging a battery. Isn't Nikola
Tesla cool or what?

Cell phones are another tool that helps "them" (bad guys) to pinpoint
who or where you and I (good guys) are, if you are "their" (bads
guys) target. Being able to open a cell phone account with a false
name has a few advantages, like preventing someone with access to a
companies DB of customers targeting you or calling your neighbor's
wow-wow daughter and talking love-smack to her.
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Old 03-27-2011, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: Invisible Energy For Cell Phones So They Can Track You With Your Battery Out Of Your Phone

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:22 -0500, Searching_____ wrote:

> It is possible for a phones GPS to be self powered, no battery needed,
> by the energy available from the environment. Most probably deriven
> from angels.
>
> The technology was demonstrated in a cell phone that could charge it's
> own battery from the ambient energy in the environment. Expect every
> cell phone to do this in a couple of months.
>
> A GPS chip requires less energy than charging a battery. Isn't Nikola
> Tesla cool or what?
>
> Cell phones are another tool that helps "them" (bad guys) to pinpoint
> who or where you and I (good guys) are, if you are "their" (bads
> guys) target. Being able to open a cell phone account with a false
> name has a few advantages, like preventing someone with access to a
> companies DB of customers targeting you or calling your neighbor's
> wow-wow daughter and talking love-smack to her.



Yes, I've heard that. I don't put any stock into it though. My
understanding is that it takes a lot of power to make contact with the
cell towers. The chip would run down quickly if they were putting out
that much power when the phone's off. I'm guessing though, I don't
really know.

There are rumors of a "roving bug" but I believe they have to download
something to your phone when it's on that will then cause the phone to
not fully shut off (i.e. the microphone might keep recording). But
this should cause the battery to run down much faster. A normal
"unbugged" phone shouldn't be trackable when it's off. I'm guessing
though, I don't really know.

But if you have any links to credible sources that claim tracking of
an unmodified phone can occur with the phone off, I'd be happy to
change my mind. I'm guessing though, I don't really know.
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Old 03-27-2011, 03:05 PM
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:03:18 -0500, I no more wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:22 -0500, Searching_____ wrote:
>
>> It is possible for a phones GPS to be self powered, no battery needed,
>> by the energy available from the environment. Most probably deriven
>> from angels.
>>
>> The technology was demonstrated in a cell phone that could charge it's
>> own battery from the ambient energy in the environment. Expect every
>> cell phone to do this in a couple of months.
>>
>> A GPS chip requires less energy than charging a battery. Isn't Nikola
>> Tesla cool or what?
>>
>> Cell phones are another tool that helps "them" (bad guys) to pinpoint
>> who or where you and I (good guys) are, if you are "their" (bads
>> guys) target. Being able to open a cell phone account with a false
>> name has a few advantages, like preventing someone with access to a
>> companies DB of customers targeting you or calling your neighbor's
>> wow-wow daughter and talking love-smack to her.

>
> Yes, I've heard that. I don't put any stock into it though. My
> understanding is that it takes a lot of power to make contact with the
> cell towers. The chip would run down quickly if they were putting out
> that much power when the phone's off. I'm guessing though, I don't
> really know.
>
> There are rumors of a "roving bug" but I believe they have to download
> something to your phone when it's on that will then cause the phone to
> not fully shut off (i.e. the microphone might keep recording). But
> this should cause the battery to run down much faster. A normal
> "unbugged" phone shouldn't be trackable when it's off. I'm guessing
> though, I don't really know.
>
> But if you have any links to credible sources that claim tracking of
> an unmodified phone can occur with the phone off, I'd be happy to
> change my mind. I'm guessing though, I don't really know.


A bit confused, Confucius?

The phones have to be tracked...otherwise, how do you plan on making
and taking calls? They locate you by the strength/weakness of the
signal relative to a set number of towers. And, by all accounts, you
can be tracked with the phone off..but not if the battery is taken
out. Also, no, this is far from the biggest privacy threat in the
history of Usenet. Though to be honest, some of the "threats"
mentioned in this place have been waaaaaaaaay far out there.

You can disable GPS on most phones, but it differs by manufacturer
and, to turn it completely off, you're crippling the phones
capabilities and apps pretty harshly. Folks are going to have to learn
that if they want to play with the newest toys in our security and
marketing-obsessed world, there will be some ugly realities to deal
with.
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Old 03-27-2011, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: Invisible Energy For Cell Phones So They Can Track You With Your Battery Out Of Your Phone

On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:05:13 -0500, hierophant wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:03:18 -0500, I no more wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 10:01:22 -0500, Searching_____ wrote:
>>
>>> It is possible for a phones GPS to be self powered, no battery needed,
>>> by the energy available from the environment. Most probably deriven
>>> from angels.
>>>
>>> The technology was demonstrated in a cell phone that could charge it's
>>> own battery from the ambient energy in the environment. Expect every
>>> cell phone to do this in a couple of months.
>>>
>>> A GPS chip requires less energy than charging a battery. Isn't Nikola
>>> Tesla cool or what?
>>>
>>> Cell phones are another tool that helps "them" (bad guys) to pinpoint
>>> who or where you and I (good guys) are, if you are "their" (bads
>>> guys) target. Being able to open a cell phone account with a false
>>> name has a few advantages, like preventing someone with access to a
>>> companies DB of customers targeting you or calling your neighbor's
>>> wow-wow daughter and talking love-smack to her.

>>
>> Yes, I've heard that. I don't put any stock into it though. My
>> understanding is that it takes a lot of power to make contact with the
>> cell towers. The chip would run down quickly if they were putting out
>> that much power when the phone's off. I'm guessing though, I don't
>> really know.
>>
>> There are rumors of a "roving bug" but I believe they have to download
>> something to your phone when it's on that will then cause the phone to
>> not fully shut off (i.e. the microphone might keep recording). But
>> this should cause the battery to run down much faster. A normal
>> "unbugged" phone shouldn't be trackable when it's off. I'm guessing
>> though, I don't really know.
>>
>> But if you have any links to credible sources that claim tracking of
>> an unmodified phone can occur with the phone off, I'd be happy to
>> change my mind. I'm guessing though, I don't really know.

>
> A bit confused, Confucius?
>
> The phones have to be tracked...otherwise, how do you plan on making
> and taking calls? They locate you by the strength/weakness of the
> signal relative to a set number of towers. And, by all accounts, you
> can be tracked with the phone off..but not if the battery is taken
> out. Also, no, this is far from the biggest privacy threat in the
> history of Usenet. Though to be honest, some of the "threats"
> mentioned in this place have been waaaaaaaaay far out there.
>
> You can disable GPS on most phones, but it differs by manufacturer
> and, to turn it completely off, you're crippling the phones
> capabilities and apps pretty harshly. Folks are going to have to learn
> that if they want to play with the newest toys in our security and
> marketing-obsessed world, there will be some ugly realities to deal
> with.


I don't think that disables their ability to track you. As you said,
they can triangulate you based on strength of signal to a cell tower.
I'm guessing though, I don't really know.

And, does disabling the GPS on a phone prevent the phone company
itself from tracking you through GPS? I'm guessing though, I don't
really know.
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Old 03-29-2011, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: Invisible Energy For Cell Phones So They Can Track You With Your Battery Out Of Your Phone

> I don't think that disables their ability to track you. As you said,
> they can triangulate you based on strength of signal to a cell tower.
> I'm guessing though, I don't really know.


You get a gross tracking just by which cell tower(s) can hear the
phone. It's really easy to distinguish Dallas vs. Miami vs. Austin
vs. London.

> And, does disabling the GPS on a phone prevent the phone company
> itself from tracking you through GPS? I'm guessing though, I don't
> really know.


The phone company still has the cell towers.

GPS by itself determines your location. It does not *SEND* the result
anywhere. There are plenty of GPS loggers on trucks, for example, that
log where the truck went but nobody can get at that info until after
the truck gets back to the office and someone downloads the log.

You aren't going to be able to track me with my Garmin GPS. It
has no transmitter.

GPS tracker devices (also sometimes used on trucks, especially for
high-value shipments) need a radio to transmit their location. That
takes power. It does not really take much power to send your
location from your GPS-enabled phone every time you call 911, unless
you're calling it WAY too much.

GPS might send back a location if the phone is sent a "ping" of a
special type. I'm not sure about this.

GPS might send your location out in conjunction with various apps
and web sites, if you permit that.


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