Re: The cathedral plus the bazaar: Open source and Apple (design) envy

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:22:04 -0700 (PDT), SMS <scharf.steven@gmail.com>
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>On Jul 3, 3:42*am, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> actually, not as much as other carriers.
>
>There's actually two parts to your "actually." First, in many parts of
>the country there is no 3G yet on T-Mobile. Second, at least in the
>western region, even if there is technically 3G, T-Mobile coverage is
>very lacking.

Still not over your anti-GSM agenda, I see -- T-Mobile 3G coverage is
actually quite good here in Northern California, as shown in the
coverage map I posted earlier, and as anyone knows with any actual
experience on the T-Mobile 3G network.

>> it is a decent value, but so are offerings from other carriers. it's
>> not the only choice nor is it the best value for everyone.
>
>Flexpay is more expensive than other prepaid plans, plus you have much
>poorer coverage that is the hallmark of T-Mobile, at least in the
>western region. You wouldn't sign up for FlexPay for voice-only. [SNIP]

Total nonsense.

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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

In article <q0ms451g09an8ldsbvgdi3db2pbpir1fuv@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
@navasgroup.com says...

> >There's actually two parts to your "actually." First, in many parts of
> >the country there is no 3G yet on T-Mobile. Second, at least in the
> >western region, even if there is technically 3G, T-Mobile coverage is
> >very lacking.
>
> Still not over your anti-GSM agenda, I see -- T-Mobile 3G coverage is
> actually quite good here in Northern California, as shown in the
> coverage map I posted earlier, and as anyone knows with any actual
> experience on the T-Mobile 3G network.

They're rolling out in the bigger cities, yes, but there are still a lot
of places, like Victorville, where T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet and there is
no ETA.

We're a little over an hour northeast of Los Angeles.



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Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
sjsobol@JustThe.net

Steve Sobol wrote:

> They're rolling out in the bigger cities, yes, but there are still a lot
> of places, like Victorville, where T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet and there is
> no ETA.
>
> We're a little over an hour northeast of Los Angeles.

I was back east a few weeks ago, and my brother was looking into getting
3G data service. He has Sprint cell service, and Sprint 3G service is
pretty good there, but T-Mobile had not yet deployed 3G in his part of
south Florida.

Of course it's not an anti-GSM agenda, as our favorite troll said. AT&T
3G service has greatly improved and is almost caught up with Verizon. It
has nothing to do with GSM or CDMA (especially since all 3G is CDMA of
one sort or another!).

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:14:12 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote in <MPG.24b830a3a0c9472e9896cd@news.justthe.net>:

>In article <q0ms451g09an8ldsbvgdi3db2pbpir1fuv@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
>@navasgroup.com says...
>
>> >There's actually two parts to your "actually." First, in many parts of
>> >the country there is no 3G yet on T-Mobile. Second, at least in the
>> >western region, even if there is technically 3G, T-Mobile coverage is
>> >very lacking.
>>
>> Still not over your anti-GSM agenda, I see -- T-Mobile 3G coverage is
>> actually quite good here in Northern California, as shown in the
>> coverage map I posted earlier, and as anyone knows with any actual
>> experience on the T-Mobile 3G network.
>
>They're rolling out in the bigger cities, yes, but there are still a lot
>of places, like Victorville, where T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet and there is
>no ETA.
>
>We're a little over an hour northeast of Los Angeles.

Fair enough, although Victorville is in the high desert with a
population of about 100K, and what I wrote was "Northern California",
much farther than an "hour northeast of Los Angeles".

I spent the 4th weekend in the Sacramento area, and had good 3G coverage
from Davis to Roseville and down toward Stockton.

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Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?

In article <6al455lp8hu3u7b8b94jpka7et9a0mu6dm@4ax.com>, spamfilter1
@navasgroup.com says...

> >They're rolling out in the bigger cities, yes, but there are still a
lot
> >of places, like Victorville, where T-Mo doesn't have 3G yet and there is
> >no ETA.
> >
> >We're a little over an hour northeast of Los Angeles.
>
> Fair enough, although Victorville is in the high desert with a
> population of about 100K, and what I wrote was "Northern California",
> much farther than an "hour northeast of Los Angeles".

Acknowledged. My point was simply that T-Mo is still in the middle of
their 3G rollout and, while I'm not surprised that you have good 3G data
coverage, plenty of small- and mid-sized cities still don't.

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Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
sjsobol@JustThe.net

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:58:37 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote in <ZVw3m.1826$cl4.1282@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com>:

>Of course it's not an anti-GSM agenda, as our favorite troll said.

It quite clearly is.

>AT&T
>3G service has greatly improved and is almost caught up with Verizon.

Actually superior.

>It
>has nothing to do with GSM or CDMA (especially since all 3G is CDMA of
>one sort or another!).

CDMA2000 and UMTS are different technologies.

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Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>

If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?