Wi-Fi Becomes a Bit _Too_ Ubiquitous at Google's I/O Event

<http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/google-engineer-claims-wifi-hotspots-to-blame-for-shoddy-connections-at-io-2011-20110516/>

Someone in a Java class I'm taking went to this event. They gave
everyone a Verizon LTE Mi-Fi, plus they had a load of people putting
their phones into hot spot mode. The other freebies were a 10" Samsung
Galaxy tablet (not yet on the market) and a Chromebook to be sent later.
Well not free, really, the registration was $450 and quickly sold out
and registrations were being scalped for $1500.

SMS wrote on [Mon, 16 May 2011 07:55:42 -0700]:
> <http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/google-engineer-claims-wifi-hotspots-to-blame-for-shoddy-connections-at-io-2011-20110516/>
>
> Someone in a Java class I'm taking went to this event. They gave
> everyone a Verizon LTE Mi-Fi, plus they had a load of people putting
> their phones into hot spot mode. The other freebies were a 10" Samsung
> Galaxy tablet (not yet on the market) and a Chromebook to be sent later.
> Well not free, really, the registration was $450 and quickly sold out
> and registrations were being scalped for $1500.

So, for $450 - $1500 you could get into the select group that could
use wifi.

Yeah, free wifi it too ubiquitous

Troll

On 5/16/2011 10:55 AM, SMS wrote:
> <http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/google-engineer-claims-wifi-hotspots-to-blame-for-shoddy-connections-at-io-2011-20110516/>
>
>
> Someone in a Java class I'm taking went to this event. They gave
> everyone a Verizon LTE Mi-Fi, plus they had a load of people putting
> their phones into hot spot mode. The other freebies were a 10" Samsung
> Galaxy tablet (not yet on the market) and a Chromebook to be sent later.
> Well not free, really, the registration was $450 and quickly sold out
> and registrations were being scalped for $1500.


Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
hotspots?

On 5/16/2011 10:49 AM, News wrote:

> Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
> hotspots?

The same problem has occurred at Apple events at Moscone. How do you
stop people from using their personal hot spots? Google probably should
not have given out the Verizon LTE Mi-Fi's, but shipped them instead.

In <4dd1703b$0$67525$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:

>On 5/16/2011 10:49 AM, News wrote:

>> Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
>> hotspots?

>The same problem has occurred at Apple events at Moscone. How do you
>stop people from using their personal hot spots? Google probably should
>not have given out the Verizon LTE Mi-Fi's, but shipped them instead.

related to this, I've been trying to fix a problem for auditorium
presntations that's been getting worse and worse...

In the Good Old Daze of, say, a year ago.... the lecturer could
use a system hooked up through standard 802.11 (WiFi) to the
ethernet'ed base station in the back of the room.

Nowadays, with just about everyone carrying a WiFi client,
and with more and more using Mi-Fi's or similar products,
the intereference level in the room is about as dense as
the hot air from DC.

I was able to get some breathing room by putting in a second AP,
with the first one "open" on channel 1, with an SSID
of "guest", and the lecturer using a protected unit
on ch 11. But with the Mi_Fi's, etc., that's going to
be history pretty soon.

I'd love to find suggestions for another matched pair
of AP and client (that is, a base station and a box
I can attach to the computer) that uses some other set
of frequencies all together, shirley. If they're low
powered and/or FCC licensed by the manufactuerer, they
should be legal and adequate.

That way I'd put the AP next to the ethernet hub, and
plug the client into the computer.

As this is for a semi commercial use, price (within reason)
isn't critical. Reliability and simpicty,, and ability
to work with OS's other than W*****s, is the key.

Any suggestions? I've been running into far too much misc.
and useless info when searching.

Thanks.


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On 5/16/2011 2:43 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 10:49 AM, News wrote:
>
>> Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
>> hotspots?
>
> The same problem has occurred at Apple events at Moscone. How do you
> stop people from using their personal hot spots? Google probably should
> not have given out the Verizon LTE Mi-Fi's, but shipped them instead.


Right; fanbois (of all types) display no self-control or response to
suggestion.

On 5/16/2011 11:52 AM, danny burstein wrote:
> In<4dd1703b$0$67525$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> writes:
>
>> On 5/16/2011 10:49 AM, News wrote:
>
>>> Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
>>> hotspots?
>
>> The same problem has occurred at Apple events at Moscone. How do you
>> stop people from using their personal hot spots? Google probably should
>> not have given out the Verizon LTE Mi-Fi's, but shipped them instead.
>
> related to this, I've been trying to fix a problem for auditorium
> presntations that's been getting worse and worse...
>
> In the Good Old Daze of, say, a year ago.... the lecturer could
> use a system hooked up through standard 802.11 (WiFi) to the
> ethernet'ed base station in the back of the room.
>
> Nowadays, with just about everyone carrying a WiFi client,
> and with more and more using Mi-Fi's or similar products,
> the intereference level in the room is about as dense as
> the hot air from DC.
>
> I was able to get some breathing room by putting in a second AP,
> with the first one "open" on channel 1, with an SSID
> of "guest", and the lecturer using a protected unit
> on ch 11. But with the Mi_Fi's, etc., that's going to
> be history pretty soon.
>
> I'd love to find suggestions for another matched pair
> of AP and client (that is, a base station and a box
> I can attach to the computer) that uses some other set
> of frequencies all together, shirley. If they're low
> powered and/or FCC licensed by the manufactuerer, they
> should be legal and adequate.

You might try powerline networking. Highly unlikely that anyone else in
the room would be interfering.

On Mon, 16 May 2011 18:52:50 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

>I'd love to find suggestions for another matched pair
>of AP and client (that is, a base station and a box
>I can attach to the computer) that uses some other set
>of frequencies all together, shirley. If they're low
>powered and/or FCC licensed by the manufactuerer, they
>should be legal and adequate.

Look at 802.11a (on the 5GHz band) or maybe move down to the 900MHz
band. Ubiquity sells some great gear, from what I've heard over in
alt.internet.wireless. There's another big player in this space, but I
forget the name so I'll stick with Ubiquity. The trick for you, I
think, will be to move off of the 2.4GHz band.

<www.ubnt.com>


--
Paul Miner

On 5/16/2011 11:59 AM, News wrote:
> On 5/16/2011 2:43 PM, SMS wrote:
>> On 5/16/2011 10:49 AM, News wrote:
>>
>>> Who was it that failed to foresee the impact done by wretched excess
>>> hotspots?
>>
>> The same problem has occurred at Apple events at Moscone. How do you
>> stop people from using their personal hot spots? Google probably should
>> not have given out the Verizon LTE Mi-Fi's, but shipped them instead.
>
>
> Right; fanbois (of all types) display no self-control or response to
> suggestion.

They think that if only everyone else will follow the requests that
there will be sufficient bandwidth for themselves.

But the real issue still needs to be solved somehow. Wi-fi is becoming
more and more common throughout the world, and if Verizon follows AT&T's
lead (as they have already announced they will be doing) and starts
tiered data pricing then Wi-Fi hot spots will be being used by a lot of
people that don't bother to use them now.

In alt.cellular.verizon danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
> In the Good Old Daze of, say, a year ago.... the lecturer could
> use a system hooked up through standard 802.11 (WiFi) to the
> ethernet'ed base station in the back of the room.

> Nowadays, with just about everyone carrying a WiFi client,
> and with more and more using Mi-Fi's or similar products,
> the intereference level in the room is about as dense as
> the hot air from DC.

----<snip>----
> Any suggestions? I've been running into far too much misc.
> and useless info when searching.

> Thanks.

Why not put an AP up near the lecturer and run an ethernet cable
back to your hub. The wideband "capture effect" gives nearby nodes
a strong advantage when interference is a consideration.

--
Jack Myers / Westminster, California, USA
Faith is believing what you know ain't so.
-Mark Twain

In <aruda8-v4t.ln1@n6wuz.net> "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> writes:

>Why not put an AP up near the lecturer and run an ethernet cable
>back to your hub. The wideband "capture effect" gives nearby nodes
>a strong advantage when interference is a consideration.

Might be worth trying if.. the lecturer was on the stage. In
fact I tried something similar using an AP that was
fed via "powerplug". Still had way too much interference
from all the other signals.

And also, generally the lecturer is standing in the aisle by the
fifth row or thereeabouts.

But I'll give the thoughtt another try.

Thanks.


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help full, thanks