mikeyhsd wrote:
> of updating to incredible NOW.
>
> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>
>
> mikeyshd
>
>
>
Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my purses.
I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on the
iPhone. There have been reports before.
Janet Wilder wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:10:43 -0500]:
> mikeyhsd wrote:
>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>
>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>
>>
>> mikeyshd
>>
>>
>>
> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my purses.
>
> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on the
> iPhone. There have been reports before.
The iPhone "announcement" is very slim, from "two sources familiar with
the plan". No names given.
Justin wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:10:43 -0500]:
>> mikeyhsd wrote:
>>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>>
>>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>>
>>>
>>> mikeyshd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
>> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my purses.
>>
>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on the
>> iPhone. There have been reports before.
>
> The iPhone "announcement" is very slim, from "two sources familiar with
> the plan". No names given.
>
Yeah. It's not the first time such an "announcement" has been made.
That's why I'm waiting for an *official* pronouncement by VZW
Per mikeyhsd:
>of updating to incredible NOW.
>
>reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
I bought an iTouch some weeks back - to replace an iPod Classic
that went belly-up.
The iTouch merged my PDA and MP3 player well enough that it got
me thinking about an iPhone - especially bco the 300+ dots per
inch on the screen. That would get me down so hauling around
just one device instead of two.
OTOH, Apple seems tb driven by the idea of locking down the user
and totally controlling the application environment - and
charging for most things.
OTOOH, Android seems tb an extension of Google with their
concentration on making things free and open.
That makes Android attractive to me - but I don't know if it
would be enough more attractive to make me go through the hassle
of migrating all my data a second time. I also have not clue
how the OS's UI is. Whatever people may say about Apple, I
think they have to grant that the iTouch/Phone/Pad UI is muy
slick.
Contrary to Janet's consideration, my main gripe with the iTouch
(and iPhone) are that they need tb bigger: I want the biggest
screen that will fit in a pants pocket. iPad is too big,
iTouch/Phone aren't big enough.
Janet Wilder wrote:
> Justin wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:10:43 -0500]:
>>> mikeyhsd wrote:
>>>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>>>
>>>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mikeyshd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
>>> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my purses.
>>>
>>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
>>> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>>
>> The iPhone "announcement" is very slim, from "two sources familiar with
>> the plan". No names given.
>>
> Yeah. It's not the first time such an "announcement" has been made.
> That's why I'm waiting for an *official* pronouncement by VZW
>
Why do you want an iPhone? It's only a not terribly clever trick to get
their hands on your money!
Janet Wilder wrote:
> mikeyhsd wrote:
>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>
>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>
>>
>> mikeyshd
>>
>>
>>
> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my
> purses.
> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>
>
Even the reported rumour I heard on CNBC yesterday didn't have the iPhone
coming to Vz until January. My suggestion? Rarely should you put your life
on hold for 7 months, particularly in the tech world.
Get your Incredible now. If you're the primary account holder and your NE2
is eligible, you'll pay only $100 for it. In the event that the iPhone
actually DOES come to Vz in January, and you still think you really want
one, you will undoubtedly be able to sell that Incredible to at least get
your $100 back. Your worst case scenario is that you'll have to pay full
price for the iPhone, $500 or so. So what? You only go around once Janet.
And what if, when Vz finally DOES get the iPhone, a week later, the 4G
version is introduced at AT&T. Are you gonna kick yourself then?
I have paid full price for a couple of phones because I wanted the latest
thing and my NE2 wasn't available. I ended up eventually selling them on
eBay and getting almost all of my money back. I had what I wanted, when I
wanted it, and it cost me very little.
We need to stop thinking that we can only do things when NE2 is around. I
also suggest we stop living in the tech world waiting for the next great
release. It's a never-ending cycle.
Carl wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:46:03 -0400]:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>> mikeyhsd wrote:
>>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>>
>>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>>
>>>
>>> mikeyshd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
>> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my
>> purses.
>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
>> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>>
>>
> Even the reported rumour I heard on CNBC yesterday didn't have the iPhone
> coming to Vz until January. My suggestion? Rarely should you put your life
> on hold for 7 months, particularly in the tech world.
>
> Get your Incredible now. If you're the primary account holder and your NE2
> is eligible, you'll pay only $100 for it. In the event that the iPhone
> actually DOES come to Vz in January, and you still think you really want
> one, you will undoubtedly be able to sell that Incredible to at least get
> your $100 back. Your worst case scenario is that you'll have to pay full
> price for the iPhone, $500 or so. So what? You only go around once Janet.
> And what if, when Vz finally DOES get the iPhone, a week later, the 4G
> version is introduced at AT&T. Are you gonna kick yourself then?
Yeah, if the iPhone DOES get released on VZW in January, don't forget
they release new phones again in June...
>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
>> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>>
>>
> Even the reported rumour I heard on CNBC yesterday didn't have the iPhone
> coming to Vz until January. My suggestion? Rarely should you put your life
True. I've been putting off getting a new phone until I was able to get
some credit for NE2. I hate my handset. I needed a global phone at the
time and it was this one or a Blackberry. I didn't want to pay the extra
smartphone fees for the Blackberry.
> Get your Incredible now. If you're the primary account holder and your NE2
> is eligible, you'll pay only $100 for it. In the event that the iPhone
> actually DOES come to Vz in January, and you still think you really want
> one, you will undoubtedly be able to sell that Incredible to at least get
> your $100 back. Your worst case scenario is that you'll have to pay full
> price for the iPhone, $500 or so. So what? You only go around once Janet.
> And what if, when Vz finally DOES get the iPhone, a week later, the 4G
> version is introduced at AT&T. Are you gonna kick yourself then?
Only one phone in the family (DH is a Luddite)and a 450 minute plan so I
only get $50 for NE2.
> I have paid full price for a couple of phones because I wanted the latest
> thing and my NE2 wasn't available. I ended up eventually selling them on
> eBay and getting almost all of my money back. I had what I wanted, when I
> wanted it, and it cost me very little.
Since 1995, I have paid $50 for one phone, the one I have and hate. I
have never paid for a phone before. The Droid HTC Incredible cost me
$149.99 plus tax. Will cost me extra per month, too, but I don't care.
> We need to stop thinking that we can only do things when NE2 is around. I
> also suggest we stop living in the tech world waiting for the next great
> release. It's a never-ending cycle.
For the $50 they give me and the cost of these new phones, you make a
lot of sense.
I have played with the Incredible every time I've been in the VZW store.
Yesterday I was there with my friend because they messed up with her
pay-as-you-go plan on the old phone I gave her. The manager had to
straighten things out. She saw me drooling over the Incredible and asked
me if I was buying one. I said I was but was going to wait. She told me
that they are coming in even later because there is a back order on the
screens. Probably won't come in until late July.
I am already accumulating a list of apps that I want on it. I like that
PAD one to tether the netbook without extra data charges. Also getting
the MLB for the DH (world's greatest NY Yankee fan) the shopping one
that scans the UPC and goes online to tell you if it's cheaper somewhere
else, Sirius/XM for the account I already have, and the new one for
Backup Assistant. They have one now for the Droid. I just need to
download it and it will copy my contacts. There are a couple of Sudoku
apps and a mah jongg tile matching one. Those are my favorite games on
my Ninetendo DS Lite.
Migrated my Yahoo contacts over to my Gmail account the other day, too.
I am so wanting this toy!!
Now I carry a small camera (hated phone doesn't have one), a Ninetendo
DS Lite, and an MP3 player. I can so downsize my purse with the Droid!
Told my eldest that I want Verizon gift cards for my birthday so I can
buy apps.
Janet Wilder wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:41:45 -0500]:
> Carl wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>
> Told my eldest that I want Verizon gift cards for my birthday so I can
> buy apps.
I thought most of the apps were bought through google checklout?
Justin wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:41:45 -0500]:
>> Carl wrote:
>>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>> Told my eldest that I want Verizon gift cards for my birthday so I can
>> buy apps.
>
> I thought most of the apps were bought through google checklout?
>
I can offset them by applying the VZW cards to my monthly bill.
Justin wrote:
> Carl wrote on [Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:46:03 -0400]:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>> mikeyhsd wrote:
>>>> of updating to incredible NOW.
>>>>
>>>> reportedly longer battery life and a larger battery available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mikeyshd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Droid X will be too big for me. For one, I have small hands and for
>>> another, I don't think it will fit into the little pockets in my
>>> purses.
>>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
>>> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>>>
>>>
>> Even the reported rumour I heard on CNBC yesterday didn't have the
>> iPhone coming to Vz until January. My suggestion? Rarely should you
>> put your life on hold for 7 months, particularly in the tech world.
>>
>> Get your Incredible now. If you're the primary account holder and
>> your NE2 is eligible, you'll pay only $100 for it. In the event that
>> the iPhone actually DOES come to Vz in January, and you still think
>> you really want one, you will undoubtedly be able to sell that
>> Incredible to at least get your $100 back. Your worst case scenario
>> is that you'll have to pay full price for the iPhone, $500 or so. So
>> what? You only go around once Janet. And what if, when Vz finally
>> DOES get the iPhone, a week later, the 4G version is introduced at
>> AT&T. Are you gonna kick yourself then?
>
> Yeah, if the iPhone DOES get released on VZW in January, don't forget
> they release new phones again in June...
>
>
Exactly my point.
Janet Wilder wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>> I ordered an Incredible yesterday and then they announced Verizon is
>>> going to sell iPhones. I'm thinking of canceling the Incredible and
>>> waiting for the iPhone, but there has to be confirmation from VZW on
>>> the iPhone. There have been reports before.
>>>
>>>
>> Even the reported rumour I heard on CNBC yesterday didn't have the
>> iPhone coming to Vz until January. My suggestion? Rarely should you
>> put your life
>
>
> True. I've been putting off getting a new phone until I was able to
> get some credit for NE2. I hate my handset. I needed a global phone
> at the time and it was this one or a Blackberry. I didn't want to pay
> the extra smartphone fees for the Blackberry.
>
>> Get your Incredible now. If you're the primary account holder and
>> your NE2 is eligible, you'll pay only $100 for it. In the event that
>> the iPhone actually DOES come to Vz in January, and you still think
>> you really want one, you will undoubtedly be able to sell that
>> Incredible to at least get your $100 back. Your worst case scenario
>> is that you'll have to pay full price for the iPhone, $500 or so. So
>> what? You only go around once Janet. And what if, when Vz finally
>> DOES get the iPhone, a week later, the 4G version is introduced at
>> AT&T. Are you gonna kick yourself then?
>
>
> Only one phone in the family (DH is a Luddite)and a 450 minute plan
> so I only get $50 for NE2.
>
>> I have paid full price for a couple of phones because I wanted the
>> latest thing and my NE2 wasn't available. I ended up eventually
>> selling them on eBay and getting almost all of my money back. I had
>> what I wanted, when I wanted it, and it cost me very little.
>
> Since 1995, I have paid $50 for one phone, the one I have and hate. I
> have never paid for a phone before. The Droid HTC Incredible cost me
> $149.99 plus tax. Will cost me extra per month, too, but I don't care.
>
>> We need to stop thinking that we can only do things when NE2 is
>> around. I also suggest we stop living in the tech world waiting for
>> the next great release. It's a never-ending cycle.
>
> For the $50 they give me and the cost of these new phones, you make a
> lot of sense.
>
> I have played with the Incredible every time I've been in the VZW
> store. Yesterday I was there with my friend because they messed up
> with her pay-as-you-go plan on the old phone I gave her. The manager
> had to straighten things out. She saw me drooling over the Incredible
> and asked me if I was buying one. I said I was but was going to wait.
> She told me that they are coming in even later because there is a
> back order on the screens. Probably won't come in until late July.
>
> I am already accumulating a list of apps that I want on it. I like
> that PAD one to tether the netbook without extra data charges. Also
> getting the MLB for the DH (world's greatest NY Yankee fan) the
> shopping one that scans the UPC and goes online to tell you if it's
> cheaper somewhere else, Sirius/XM for the account I already have, and
> the new one for Backup Assistant. They have one now for the Droid. I
> just need to download it and it will copy my contacts. There are a
> couple of Sudoku apps and a mah jongg tile matching one. Those are my
> favorite games on my Ninetendo DS Lite.
>
> Migrated my Yahoo contacts over to my Gmail account the other day,
> too. I am so wanting this toy!!
>
> Now I carry a small camera (hated phone doesn't have one), a Ninetendo
> DS Lite, and an MP3 player. I can so downsize my purse with the
> Droid!
> Told my eldest that I want Verizon gift cards for my birthday so I can
> buy apps.
>
We seem to be on the same page and you got my point and took it very well.
And especially for only $50 it certainly isn't worth depriving yourself.
I am on a familyshare plan and I have the primary phone. My NE2 consists of
$100 off. I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now up to
July 21.
2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I can get an
Incredible!
In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few weeks..
Carl wrote:
> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>
> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now up to
> July 21.
> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I can get an
> Incredible!
>
> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few weeks.
Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all these
new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100% refund return
policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid, compare with both the
Incredible and the X, and decide if I want one of those other models
instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading from a Palm 650) it also helps
me figure out which features I want/need as I use the phone. How good
is the on-screen keyboard, versus needing a physical keyboard? This is
really hard to evaluate when playing with a phone in the store. After
60 days with the phone I'll know if this is a deal breaker for me when I
make my decision to keep or upgrade.
> We seem to be on the same page and you got my point and took it very well.
I paid $150. The $50 was the NE2 discount.
<snip>
> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now up to
> July 21.
I found this out when I was in the store. That's why I ordered it the
other day.
> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I can get an
> Incredible!
>
> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few weeks..
>
I might have waited for the X, but for two things:
1)they are larger and won't fit in the purse pocket or in my hand.
Incredible just fits.
2) I have had 2 Moto phones and not been happy with either of them.
First one had the broken charging disease and the second one is the one
I have now with the outside buttons that turn themselves on even when
the phone is in a case, in my purse with the keypad locked.
One of the nice things about the Incredible was the minimal amount of
side buttons.
JC Dill wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>>
>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>> up to July 21.
>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>> can get an Incredible!
>>
>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>> weeks.
>
> Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all
> these new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100% refund
> return policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid, compare with
> both the Incredible and the X, and decide if I want one of those
> other models instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading from a Palm
> 650) it also helps me figure out which features I want/need as I use
> the phone. How good is the on-screen keyboard, versus needing a
> physical keyboard? This is really hard to evaluate when playing with
> a phone in the store. After 60 days with the phone I'll know if this
> is a deal breaker for me when I make my decision to keep or upgrade.
>
> jc
>
>
I don't blame you for taking advantage of that policy, but I will say that,
as a retail person myself (not in the cell phone industry), I think policies
like those have to be more harmful to consumers than helpful. Someone is
paying for all those 100% refunded returns. Who do you think that is?
On a different tack, would you mind revealing how much you got the Droid for
at Costco and whether or not you had to use your NE2 to get that price?
Thanks in advance for your response.
Janet Wilder wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>
>
>> We seem to be on the same page and you got my point and took it very
>> well.
>
> I paid $150. The $50 was the NE2 discount.
>
>
> <snip>
>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>> up to July 21.
>
> I found this out when I was in the store. That's why I ordered it the
> other day.
>
>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>> can get an Incredible!
>>
>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>> weeks..
> I might have waited for the X, but for two things:
>
> 1)they are larger and won't fit in the purse pocket or in my hand.
> Incredible just fits.
>
> 2) I have had 2 Moto phones and not been happy with either of them.
> First one had the broken charging disease and the second one is the
> one I have now with the outside buttons that turn themselves on even
> when the phone is in a case, in my purse with the keypad locked.
>
> One of the nice things about the Incredible was the minimal amount of
> side buttons.
>
I can understand the size issue. I'm a little hesitant about that myself.
Regarding your Moto problems, I find it hard to believe that Motorola and
HTC are not related in some way. The Moto Droid and the HTC Droid looked
exactly the same to me except for the physical keyboard. Are they not being
built in the same factory?
I do agree with you about the Moto's side button issues though. I find that
things like my ringer volume are never reliably set. I turn it to max and
find later that it somehow got turned down so that I couldn't hear it.
Someone posted here that Verizon is going to allow people who ordered the
Incredible to take a Droid X instead if they so choose. I have not confirmed
this but it makes sense since the Droid X may very well be available before
you get your Incredible.
Carl wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>> Carl wrote:
>>
>>
>>> We seem to be on the same page and you got my point and took it very
>>> well.
>> I paid $150. The $50 was the NE2 discount.
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>>> up to July 21.
>> I found this out when I was in the store. That's why I ordered it the
>> other day.
>>
>>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>>> can get an Incredible!
>>>
>>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>>> weeks..
>> I might have waited for the X, but for two things:
>>
>> 1)they are larger and won't fit in the purse pocket or in my hand.
>> Incredible just fits.
>>
>> 2) I have had 2 Moto phones and not been happy with either of them.
>> First one had the broken charging disease and the second one is the
>> one I have now with the outside buttons that turn themselves on even
>> when the phone is in a case, in my purse with the keypad locked.
>>
>> One of the nice things about the Incredible was the minimal amount of
>> side buttons.
>>
> I can understand the size issue. I'm a little hesitant about that myself.
>
> Regarding your Moto problems, I find it hard to believe that Motorola and
> HTC are not related in some way. The Moto Droid and the HTC Droid looked
> exactly the same to me except for the physical keyboard. Are they not being
> built in the same factory?
That is true. The Incredible, not having the physical keyboard is
lighter and a little thinner. Less side buttons!!!
I did learn that the car charger I have for the current hated Moto will
also fit the Incredible. mini USB ports on both. That's a plus! I do
think I'll look for a pretty case for it. The gal in the store
recommended some covers for the face, but I remember blowing up a
Ninetendo DS with one of those face covers. Then again, if they are
helpful to the HTC, I'll think about them.
Anyone have any thoughts on the face covers. They are thin, transparent,
plastic skins.
>
> I do agree with you about the Moto's side button issues though. I find that
> things like my ringer volume are never reliably set. I turn it to max and
> find later that it somehow got turned down so that I couldn't hear it.
Mine does the opposite. It puts the ringer on highest. It also has
turned on the speaker, tried to connect to the Internet (that's why it's
turned off) tried to connect to Get It Now (another feature I had to
turn off)
> Someone posted here that Verizon is going to allow people who ordered the
> Incredible to take a Droid X instead if they so choose. I have not confirmed
> this but it makes sense since the Droid X may very well be available before
> you get your Incredible.
>
I might consider taking a physical look at the two of them together.
Who knows by then we'll find out that VZW will be getting the iPhone
then I'll have to start to think about this whole thing all over again.
Carl wrote:
> JC Dill wrote:
>> Carl wrote:
>>> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>>>
>>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>>> up to July 21.
>>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>>> can get an Incredible!
>>>
>>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>>> weeks.
>> Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all
>> these new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100% refund
>> return policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid, compare with
>> both the Incredible and the X, and decide if I want one of those
>> other models instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading from a Palm
>> 650) it also helps me figure out which features I want/need as I use
>> the phone. How good is the on-screen keyboard, versus needing a
>> physical keyboard? This is really hard to evaluate when playing with
>> a phone in the store. After 60 days with the phone I'll know if this
>> is a deal breaker for me when I make my decision to keep or upgrade.
>>
>> jc
>>
>>
> I don't blame you for taking advantage of that policy, but I will say that,
> as a retail person myself (not in the cell phone industry), I think policies
> like those have to be more harmful to consumers than helpful. Someone is
> paying for all those 100% refunded returns. Who do you think that is?
I pay an annual fee to join Costco - it helps cover the costs associated
with their return policy. I don't feel there is anything wrong with
using a store's return policy as long as I follow their rules (which I do).
> On a different tack, would you mind revealing how much you got the Droid for
> at Costco and whether or not you had to use your NE2 to get that price?
> Thanks in advance for your response.
I paid $99, which came to ~$118 with taxes, using my NE2 (which has been
available to me for several years, but I haven't found a phone I wanted
to spend money to upgrade to as long as my prior phone was working OK).
JC Dill wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> JC Dill wrote:
>>> Carl wrote:
>>>> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>>>>
>>>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>>>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>>>> up to July 21.
>>>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>>>> can get an Incredible!
>>>>
>>>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>>>> weeks.
>>> Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all
>>> these new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100%
>>> refund return policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid,
>>> compare with both the Incredible and the X, and decide if I want
>>> one of those other models instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading
>>> from a Palm 650) it also helps me figure out which features I
>>> want/need as I use the phone. How good is the on-screen keyboard,
>>> versus needing a physical keyboard? This is really hard to
>>> evaluate when playing with a phone in the store. After 60 days
>>> with the phone I'll know if this is a deal breaker for me when I
>>> make my decision to keep or upgrade. jc
>>>
>>>
>> I don't blame you for taking advantage of that policy, but I will
>> say that, as a retail person myself (not in the cell phone
>> industry), I think policies like those have to be more harmful to
>> consumers than helpful. Someone is paying for all those 100%
>> refunded returns. Who do you think that is?
>
> I pay an annual fee to join Costco - it helps cover the costs
> associated with their return policy. I don't feel there is anything
> wrong with using a store's return policy as long as I follow their rules
> (which
> I do).
>> On a different tack, would you mind revealing how much you got the
>> Droid for at Costco and whether or not you had to use your NE2 to
>> get that price? Thanks in advance for your response.
>
> I paid $99, which came to ~$118 with taxes, using my NE2 (which has
> been available to me for several years, but I haven't found a phone I
> wanted to spend money to upgrade to as long as my prior phone was working
> OK).
> jc
>
Ok, thanks for your reply. I was just curious.
Just for the record, I don't blame you for making use of a store's return
policy. I certainly would. My criticism was aimed at the policy of the
retailer, which I think hurts consumers in the long run more than it helps
them. It is simply a marketing ploy, not much different than "Buy one, get
one free" which is often covered by overcharging for the one you pay for and
limiting the selection of the 2nd one. These practices do hurt small
business owners though, who don't have the money or resources to work the
game or counter the claims.
Dave Rudisill wrote:
>> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I do agree with you about the Moto's side button issues though. I
>>> find that things like my ringer volume are never reliably set. I
>>> turn it to max and find later that it somehow got turned down so
>>> that I couldn't hear it.
>>
>> Mine does the opposite. It puts the ringer on highest. It also has
>> turned on the speaker, tried to connect to the Internet (that's why
>> it's turned off) tried to connect to Get It Now (another feature I
>> had to turn off)
>
> I use an app called Volume Locker on my Droid Eris. When one of
> those side puttons is pressed it gives you 30 seconds to confirm
> the change in volume. If you don't confirm it, the volume doesn't
> change.
>
Thanks. I'll look into this. But the chances are I won't notice the warning
message as these changes often occur when I put my phone in a pocket.
Carl wrote on [Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:55:18 -0400]:
> Dave Rudisill wrote:
>>> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I do agree with you about the Moto's side button issues though. I
>>>> find that things like my ringer volume are never reliably set. I
>>>> turn it to max and find later that it somehow got turned down so
>>>> that I couldn't hear it.
>>>
>>> Mine does the opposite. It puts the ringer on highest. It also has
>>> turned on the speaker, tried to connect to the Internet (that's why
>>> it's turned off) tried to connect to Get It Now (another feature I
>>> had to turn off)
>>
>> I use an app called Volume Locker on my Droid Eris. When one of
>> those side puttons is pressed it gives you 30 seconds to confirm
>> the change in volume. If you don't confirm it, the volume doesn't
>> change.
>>
> Thanks. I'll look into this. But the chances are I won't notice the warning
> message as these changes often occur when I put my phone in a pocket.
I think that's the point. The warning has to be confirmed or the volume
won't change
On 7/5/2010 11:51 AM, Carl wrote:
> JC Dill wrote:
>> Carl wrote:
>>> JC Dill wrote:
>>>> Carl wrote:
>>>>> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>>>>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>>>>> up to July 21.
>>>>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>>>>> can get an Incredible!
>>>>>
>>>>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>>>>> weeks.
>>>> Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all
>>>> these new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100%
>>>> refund return policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid,
>>>> compare with both the Incredible and the X, and decide if I want
>>>> one of those other models instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading
>>>> from a Palm 650) it also helps me figure out which features I
>>>> want/need as I use the phone. How good is the on-screen keyboard,
>>>> versus needing a physical keyboard? This is really hard to
>>>> evaluate when playing with a phone in the store. After 60 days
>>>> with the phone I'll know if this is a deal breaker for me when I
>>>> make my decision to keep or upgrade. jc
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I don't blame you for taking advantage of that policy, but I will
>>> say that, as a retail person myself (not in the cell phone
>>> industry), I think policies like those have to be more harmful to
>>> consumers than helpful. Someone is paying for all those 100%
>>> refunded returns. Who do you think that is?
>>
>> I pay an annual fee to join Costco - it helps cover the costs
>> associated with their return policy. I don't feel there is anything
>> wrong with using a store's return policy as long as I follow their rules
>> (which
>> I do).
>>> On a different tack, would you mind revealing how much you got the
>>> Droid for at Costco and whether or not you had to use your NE2 to
>>> get that price? Thanks in advance for your response.
>>
>> I paid $99, which came to ~$118 with taxes, using my NE2 (which has
>> been available to me for several years, but I haven't found a phone I
>> wanted to spend money to upgrade to as long as my prior phone was working
>> OK).
>> jc
>>
> Ok, thanks for your reply. I was just curious.
>
> Just for the record, I don't blame you for making use of a store's return
> policy. I certainly would. My criticism was aimed at the policy of the
> retailer, which I think hurts consumers in the long run more than it helps
> them. It is simply a marketing ploy, not much different than "Buy one, get
> one free" which is often covered by overcharging for the one you pay for and
> limiting the selection of the 2nd one. These practices do hurt small
> business owners though, who don't have the money or resources to work the
> game or counter the claims.
>
>
Agree, honest customers pay for all of the freeloaders who say treat a
place that sells tools as a tool rental place ("buy" a tool, build your
deck or cut down your trees and put the unsaleable tool back in the box
and return to get your "rental deposit" back)
> Just for the record, I don't blame you for making use of a store's return
> policy. I certainly would. My criticism was aimed at the policy of the
> retailer, which I think hurts consumers in the long run more than it helps
> them. It is simply a marketing ploy, not much different than "Buy one, get
> one free" which is often covered by overcharging for the one you pay for and
> limiting the selection of the 2nd one. These practices do hurt small
> business owners though, who don't have the money or resources to work the
> game or counter the claims.
At Costco, the phone kiosks are leased out to a smaller company, just
like the eye exam area is leased out.
The present return policy is actually not as good as the return policy
they used to have at the phone kiosk which was that you could return a
phone you didn't like whenever you wanted in exchange for a different
phone or a refund (though it didn't get you out of your new contract or
contract extension).
I think that Costco forced the phone kiosk operator to abide by the same
return policies that Costco had for their electronics, which used to be
unrestricted, then became 90 days.
I had two Droids in my house for the past two days, owned by two
relatives. As a phone, the design leaves a lot to be desired, but the
radio part of it is very good. The problem is the way you hold it to
your face. My sister in law tends to move it back and forth away from
her face during a call, and her cheek touches a button on the touch
screen which ends the call.
"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:i0t5bn$onf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 7/5/2010 11:51 AM, Carl wrote:
>> JC Dill wrote:
>>> Carl wrote:
>>>> JC Dill wrote:
>>>>> Carl wrote:
>>>>>> I would get the Incredible, for example, for only $100 total.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was going to order one 2 weeks ago except 2 things happened:
>>>>>> 1. It turns out there's a waiting list for Incredibles that is now
>>>>>> up to July 21.
>>>>>> 2. The Droid X is coming out July 15, potentially ahead of when I
>>>>>> can get an Incredible!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this specific set of circumstances, I have opted to wait the few
>>>>>> weeks.
>>>>> Last week I bought a Droid at Costco. Why did I buy one, with all
>>>>> these new options available? Because Costco has a 90 day 100%
>>>>> refund return policy. This gives me time to evaluate my Droid,
>>>>> compare with both the Incredible and the X, and decide if I want
>>>>> one of those other models instead. As a new Droid user (upgrading
>>>>> from a Palm 650) it also helps me figure out which features I
>>>>> want/need as I use the phone. How good is the on-screen keyboard,
>>>>> versus needing a physical keyboard? This is really hard to
>>>>> evaluate when playing with a phone in the store. After 60 days
>>>>> with the phone I'll know if this is a deal breaker for me when I
>>>>> make my decision to keep or upgrade. jc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't blame you for taking advantage of that policy, but I will
>>>> say that, as a retail person myself (not in the cell phone
>>>> industry), I think policies like those have to be more harmful to
>>>> consumers than helpful. Someone is paying for all those 100%
>>>> refunded returns. Who do you think that is?
>>>
>>> I pay an annual fee to join Costco - it helps cover the costs
>>> associated with their return policy. I don't feel there is anything
>>> wrong with using a store's return policy as long as I follow their rules
>>> (which
>>> I do).
>>>> On a different tack, would you mind revealing how much you got the
>>>> Droid for at Costco and whether or not you had to use your NE2 to
>>>> get that price? Thanks in advance for your response.
>>>
>>> I paid $99, which came to ~$118 with taxes, using my NE2 (which has
>>> been available to me for several years, but I haven't found a phone I
>>> wanted to spend money to upgrade to as long as my prior phone was
>>> working
>>> OK).
>>> jc
>>>
>> Ok, thanks for your reply. I was just curious.
>>
>> Just for the record, I don't blame you for making use of a store's return
>> policy. I certainly would. My criticism was aimed at the policy of the
>> retailer, which I think hurts consumers in the long run more than it
>> helps
>> them. It is simply a marketing ploy, not much different than "Buy one,
>> get
>> one free" which is often covered by overcharging for the one you pay for
>> and
>> limiting the selection of the 2nd one. These practices do hurt small
>> business owners though, who don't have the money or resources to work the
>> game or counter the claims.
>>
>>
> Agree, honest customers pay for all of the freeloaders who say treat a
> place that sells tools as a tool rental place ("buy" a tool, build your
> deck or cut down your trees and put the unsaleable tool back in the box
> and return to get your "rental deposit" back)
>
>
An excellent, and undoubtedly true, example. Thanks.
I was at a wedding last Sunday night. A guy I knew was wearing a new suit.
The jacket still had the labels sewn on to the jacket arm. Now, granted he
was a young man (early 20's) and possibly didn't KNOW you're supposed to
remove them, but my money is on that he used the store as a free
"rent-a-suit" place for the occasion. Tne real shame is that there's no real
regulation of that practice and someone else is going to buy that suit off
the rack as a new suit for full price.
Sorry, fellow newsgroupers, but if you think there's a "free lunch", you're
only helping these large retailers to get over on you.
SMS wrote:
> On 05/07/10 8:51 AM, Carl wrote:
>
>> Just for the record, I don't blame you for making use of a store's
>> return policy. I certainly would. My criticism was aimed at the
>> policy of the retailer, which I think hurts consumers in the long
>> run more than it helps them. It is simply a marketing ploy, not much
>> different than "Buy one, get one free" which is often covered by
>> overcharging for the one you pay for and limiting the selection of
>> the 2nd one. These practices do hurt small business owners though,
>> who don't have the money or resources to work the game or counter
>> the claims.
>
> At Costco, the phone kiosks are leased out to a smaller company, just
> like the eye exam area is leased out.
>
> The present return policy is actually not as good as the return policy
> they used to have at the phone kiosk which was that you could return a
> phone you didn't like whenever you wanted in exchange for a different
> phone or a refund (though it didn't get you out of your new contract
> or contract extension).
>
> I think that Costco forced the phone kiosk operator to abide by the
> same return policies that Costco had for their electronics, which
> used to be unrestricted, then became 90 days.
>
>
I was going to bring up this point when I started reading your post. I'm
glad you recognized it for yourself. You don't get a kiosk in a place like
Costco without abiding by the terms of THEIR rules. On another, related
note, I'm not aware that the optical kiosk's are leased out, though that may
be true. I'm in that business and have never seen the opportunity come up
for offer. There is no big business retailer behind those optical kiosks
that I am aware of. At this point I will point out that the product
availability at Costco kiosks is severely limited. They cannot and do not
supply all things and all services. it's another "you get what you pay for"
operation.
>
>
> I had two Droids in my house for the past two days, owned by two
> relatives. As a phone, the design leaves a lot to be desired, but the
> radio part of it is very good. The problem is the way you hold it to
> your face. My sister in law tends to move it back and forth away from
> her face during a call, and her cheek touches a button on the touch
> screen which ends the call.
>
>
That is a problem. I have had it too. The same thing happens with the iPhone
though. That's why the Storm's click-touchscreen is so underrated imho.
I think there's an app she can download that locks the screen, but I think
it creates a different set of problems.
Justin wrote:
> Carl wrote on [Mon, 5 Jul 2010 11:55:18 -0400]:
>> Dave Rudisill wrote:
>>>> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I do agree with you about the Moto's side button issues though. I
>>>>> find that things like my ringer volume are never reliably set. I
>>>>> turn it to max and find later that it somehow got turned down so
>>>>> that I couldn't hear it.
>>>>
>>>> Mine does the opposite. It puts the ringer on highest. It also has
>>>> turned on the speaker, tried to connect to the Internet (that's why
>>>> it's turned off) tried to connect to Get It Now (another feature I
>>>> had to turn off)
>>>
>>> I use an app called Volume Locker on my Droid Eris. When one of
>>> those side puttons is pressed it gives you 30 seconds to confirm
>>> the change in volume. If you don't confirm it, the volume doesn't
>>> change.
>>>
>> Thanks. I'll look into this. But the chances are I won't notice the
>> warning message as these changes often occur when I put my phone in
>> a pocket.
>
> I think that's the point. The warning has to be confirmed or the
> volume won't change
>
My apologies. I did miss the point somehow. Thanks for bringing that back to
my attention.
> I was going to bring up this point when I started reading your post. I'm
> glad you recognized it for yourself. You don't get a kiosk in a place like
> Costco without abiding by the terms of THEIR rules. On another, related
> note, I'm not aware that the optical kiosk's are leased out, though that may
> be true.
Not the optical sales, but the eye exam area.
> I'm in that business and have never seen the opportunity come up
> for offer. There is no big business retailer behind those optical kiosks
> that I am aware of. At this point I will point out that the product
> availability at Costco kiosks is severely limited. They cannot and do not
> supply all things and all services. it's another "you get what you pay for"
> operation.
I have optical benefits through my HMO, $175 every two years, good only
at their own optical center. Costco is still less expensive for the
glasses I get (ultra-high index, transitions, no-line bifocals). The
selection is fine and they address problems better than the optician I
used to go to.
> I was at a wedding last Sunday night. A guy I knew was wearing a new suit.
> The jacket still had the labels sewn on to the jacket arm. Now, granted he
> was a young man (early 20's) and possibly didn't KNOW you're supposed to
> remove them, but my money is on that he used the store as a free
> "rent-a-suit" place for the occasion. Tne real shame is that there's no real
> regulation of that practice and someone else is going to buy that suit off
> the rack as a new suit for full price.
It's probably going to end up at a discount retailer such as Marshalls.
A top-line department store or mens wear store won't put it back on
the rack after it has had as much wear as this. It just won't have the
crispness that an unworn suit has and will stand out on the rack as
"worn" and no-one is going to select it to purchase.
Stores that take back worn items accept this wear/return as the
occasional incident that is part of doing business. Very, very few
customers do this. If it becomes a bigger issue then they change their
return policy.
For instance, both Lands End and REI have VERY generous return policies
and have for many years. This is because their customers don't abuse
the policy. I'm pretty sure Costco has a similar customer base - few
customers abuse the policy. Costco also has a very easy way to deal
with customers that abuse the policy - they can warn then pull your
membership. Without a membership card you can't buy. I saw them
warning a customer one day who opened a package to examine the items
(clothing) and then decided to purchase an UNOPENED package. The
customer refused to take the package they opened, and they were told
that if they did this again they would have their membership revoked.
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