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Old 10-26-2007, 06:12 PM
Ness Net
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"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-6EFD92.22380025102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You did claim that you know all about netiquette so why did you start a
>> new thread in alt.cellular.verizon ?

>
> simply because tverizon users have the most to gain by developing for
> the iphone. they are locked into nokia, blackberry, so they are trapped.
>
> at least apple offers a more open option, plus a far better phone.
>
> verizon users are moving over in droves, 4,500 per day by some estimates
> but wanted to get the word out to programmers for the big iphone pushes
> coming up.
>
> -


This is one of the most bullshit, disingenuous answers I've heard.
On many levels.

First and foremost - you do it to TROLL - you have some mental defect that
makes
you THINK you need to come into another newsgroup and evangelize.
No one wants this information in a.c.v and no one in a.c.v thinks you are
credible.

In fact, I'd bet that by now, anything you post is now written off as 100%
horseshit.

Second: ANY developer worth a damn that wanted to program for an iPhone
already
knows. If YOU have to tell them, they probably don't give a damn about it
anyway.
Or are too stupid to do quality work or to even DO the work at all.

Your 'justification' is one of the poorest excuses I've ever seen for bad
behavior.
You want to incite, you want to irritate and you WANT to be an asshole.



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Old 10-26-2007, 06:22 PM
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Ness Net wrote:
>


>>
>> verizon users are moving over in droves, 4,500 per day by some estimates
>> but wanted to get the word out to programmers for the big iphone pushes
>> coming up.
>>
>> -

>
> This is one of the most bullshit, disingenuous answers I've heard.
> On many levels.
>
> First and foremost - you do it to TROLL - you have some mental defect
> that makes
> you THINK you need to come into another newsgroup and evangelize.
> No one wants this information in a.c.v and no one in a.c.v thinks you
> are credible.
>
> In fact, I'd bet that by now, anything you post is now written off as
> 100% horseshit.
>
> Second: ANY developer worth a damn that wanted to program for an iPhone
> already
> knows. If YOU have to tell them, they probably don't give a damn about
> it anyway.
> Or are too stupid to do quality work or to even DO the work at all.
>
> Your 'justification' is one of the poorest excuses I've ever seen for
> bad behavior.
> You want to incite, you want to irritate and you WANT to be an asshole.
>
>


You said it better than me...

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Old 10-26-2007, 08:32 PM
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Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
234096.23511125102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> ah, Apple has always built machines to allow you to do it

exactly "your
> way" without the fuss of Microsoft and the clones which lock

you into
> backwards technology without any control.
>


Hey! You're tellin' me! I just came from the ATT store looking
at the differences between the iPhone and my Nokia N800 Linux
tablet.

"My Way" was to rotate the MOST IMPORTANT internet client on the
device around to HORIZONTAL MODE so I could READ THE TEXT on any
webpage! WTF? IT DOESN'T ROTATE?! Everything rotates, right?

Nope.

Whoever made the statement "Safari Sucks" hit the nail DEAD ON
THE HEAD. Open a webpage and the WHOLE webpage is about 2.5"
tall with 4 pixel text even you kids can't read. So, I spread
the text out to something big enough to read. UNfortunately,
when you do that, the BROWSER is ONLY 320 pixels WIDE, if you
full screen it. Most webpages don't autowrap to something that
tiny so I ended up sliding back and forth slewing with my finger
just to read what it said.

WHY DOESN'T IT ROTATE HORIZONTAL??!! That's the biggest blunder
I've seen on it. I never noticed it until I went by the ATT
store to compare picture quality with my N800. On a
multimegapixel professonally-taken flickr photo, the N800 ATE ITS
SHORTS, mostly because the picture was BIGGER, not because it was
better.

But, God! IT DOESN'T ROTATE HORIZONTALLY?! I'd never use it
vertically because the print is TOO SMALL TO READ! How stupid!

----------------------------------------------------

ATT is close to Best Buy. I stopped by to see someone I know who
works there and the new iPodphoneclone MP3 player with the
browser on wifi to sell iTunes was there. A pretty teenie bopper
came to "help me", so I hung around for her scent...(c; Just for
fun, knowing it wouldn't play Realaudio, I took it to BBC Radio:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio
and clicked up Radio 1 on this $US400 MP3 player. I clicked
LISTEN to go to the great stream BBC provides the world. What I
saw is going to make a LOT OF WEBMASTERS with streaming audio
PISSED AT APPLE!

Instead of the Pod just stating it couldn't play the Realmedia
stream...THEY LIED! The box says THE ADDRESS IS INVALID!! The
poor webmasters are going to be deluged with broken link
complaints if this PoS sells like an iPod! INVALID ADDRESS??!!

My heavenly scented teenie bopper, causing my dizzines, said the
webpage was down. She knew everything, like most teenie boppers
do. I couldn't stand it....pulled out the M800 and played the
stream for her...on the speakers. "Hmm...seems to work on your
wifi over here..." I just couldn't bring myself to stop her as
she strode off to find a Geek to fix the iPodphonecloneplayer.
Her scent fading but still detectable enough to keep me swimming,
I waited for her heavenly return with said Geek. BBC 1 was still
playing away on the N800's mplayer. He told her it wouldn't play
Realmedia anything, but couldn't just walk off without playing
with the N800 he'd read about but never seen.

The iPodphonecloneplayer forgotten, we used BBuy's new wifi to
play for a few minutes until his chain handler arrived to break
it up. I left.

VERTICALLY LOCKED SAFARI REALLY SUCKS! Please tell me they're
gonna make it rotate, too!

Larry
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:33 PM
Larry
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Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
234096.23511125102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> Ah, but if it doesn't run on a Mac, it won't be of a high enough

quality.
>
>


See? There you go...buying HARDWARE then trying to find software
to run on it.....

THAT'S BACKWARDS!

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Old 10-26-2007, 08:34 PM
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Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
234096.23511125102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> Not really, if you go with a Mac you are safe since it runs ALL
> software, if you buy just a PC, you are kinda locked out of many
> possibilities.
>


Ok, let's see the iPhone run Firefox HORIZONTALLY so I can read the
text....

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Old 10-26-2007, 09:18 PM
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Oxford laid this down on his screen :
> Today, Apple Opens iPhone Dev Center... Complete with technical
> documentation, sample code, and videos through ADC on iTunes, the iPhone
> Dev Center is a single source for information on designing, coding and
> optimizing applications for iPhone and iPod touch.
>
> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>
> Enjoy!


Isn't there some kind of apple or Iphone group you can pollute?



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Old 10-26-2007, 10:34 PM
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Belphegor wrote:
> The whole idea of css and the separation of content and style is that
> you can use style sheets to reformat for different platforms and
> media.


Yes...but there are different ways to define "platform". One is as a
particular named device or browser (such as "iPhone" or "IE"); the other
is as a set of device/browser capabilities.

The fact that we have web pages that render correctly on iPhone, but not
iPod Touch, indicates that people are doing the former instead of the
latter.

>> I don't "recommend" IE. I use it, but I also use Firefox at least as
>> often (probably more often).

> You described IE in your previous post as a 'real browser' and Safari
> as 'the worlds worst browser'.


Well, yes, IE is a real browser. So is Firefox.

It is difficult to respect Safari when it loses the ability to render
forms, not because of a CSS issue but rather because an obscure file on
~/Library/FontCollections becomes inaccessible.

> If that is not a recommendation of IE over Safari, you tell me what it
> is.


As the two do not run on the same platform (the Mac version of IE is
ancient and unsupported, so it does not count) that is a strawman
argument.

If I had to recommend one, and only one, browser it would be Firefox.

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Old 10-26-2007, 11:38 PM
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Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>
> You forgot some other problems with it....
>
> No Apple and its oddball OSX


OSX is the most widely used Unix in the world by a wide margin.

> No AT&T


Offers the most coverage for the least price.

> No cellphone carrier hobbling


? not sure what you mean there.

> No permanent battery


The iPhone battery is fully replaceable. Here is one for $20.

http://snipurl.com/1srq5

> No contracts


You don't need a contract with the iPhone. It works with a per month
GoPhone mode as well.

> No training wheels you can't remove


What training wheels?

> No special webpages to make it render


??? not sure what you mean.

> Let's address the other points, just for fun at 1AM....
> Nokia N800 iPhone
> Heavy - 206g 135g


yes, a 1/3rd heavier.

> Bulky - 144 x 75 x 13mm 115 x 61 x 11.6mm


thick, bulky

> Display 4.25" 800x480 3.5" 480x320


But the display is clearer on the iPhone

> Speakers front stereo what speakers??


The iPhone has speakers

> Runtime-standby 250 hours 250 hours


Good, the Nokia equals the iPhone in one area.

> running - who can tell in the real world? Too many variables.
> With wifi and BT on, connected to one or the other, streaming
> audio or video with backlight on full bright, 16GB of SD cards
> installed, 27 processes running, speaker volume wide open,
> standard battery - over 4 hours continuous duty.


Yes, agree... but overall the iPhone has a much longer battery life.
Even simple things like when you put it up to your ear to talk, it
senses the MASS of your head, then dims the screen to black. Pull it
away, it brightens back up. The nokia doesn't do that.

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Old 10-26-2007, 11:42 PM
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"IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:

> If Apple computers and software provide a user with anything they would ever
> need to do - Why would an Apple computer owner need another OS especially
> Windows?
>
> Since the latest versions of Apple OS uses the same processor as Windows -
> AND - if Steve Jobs really wants to overtake Microsoft - why doesn't Apple
> just release a version of Apple OS to run on a Windows machine. Then rather
> than upgrading to Windows Vista, everyone could upgrade to the Apple OS?


OSX is only 50% of the Mac. Windows hardware just isn't up to the same
standards as a Mac, so if you put it on Windows hardware, you'd be back
to the mess that is called Windows.

And nobody wants to repeat that failure, so keeping OSX on quality
hardware is best for the consumer, provides better value for the $.

If you want to run Vista on a Mac, you can do so, get a Mac.

http://www.apple.com/mac

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Old 10-27-2007, 02:04 AM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-10-26, Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote:

> OSX is the most widely used Unix in the world by a wide margin.


Which markets does that apply to? Desktop? I don't doubt it. Server?
Probably not.




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Old 10-27-2007, 02:05 AM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-10-26, Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:

> OSX is only 50% of the Mac. Windows hardware just isn't up to the same
> standards as a Mac, so if you put it on Windows hardware, you'd be back
> to the mess that is called Windows.


Bullshit. Newer Macs use much of the same hardware, idiot.


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Old 10-27-2007, 02:17 AM
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Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in
news:alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710261411340.4284@Tomobiki-
Cho.CAC.Washignton.EDU:

> If I had to recommend one, and only one, browser it would be

Firefox.
>
>


Amen....on Linux...fasten seat belts sign is lighted.

I just found out, today, while playing with the iPhone SAFARI
DOESN'T ROTATE INTO HORIZONTAL!

How awful...and stupid! Of ALL the applications that should
rotate on an Iphone's little low-res screen, SAFARI SHOULD!

If you magnify the webpage so you can read the text....it's
ALWAYS wider than the vertical screen requiring constant
scrolling side to side. That's PITIFUL!

Firefox is the new browser of Maemo Internet Tablet Linux
OS2008....(c; Nokia listens to their customers.

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Old 10-27-2007, 02:19 AM
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Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote in news:jasin-
4AD99C.16383026102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:

>> No cellphone carrier hobbling

>
> ? not sure what you mean there.
>


You must be very naive. Don't you wonder why it only plays iTunes,
not Realplayer or the other COMMON formats used by internet radio
stations like BBC? It's because the CARRIER, ATT, doesn't WANT YOU
TO DO STREAMING on their bandwidth!

Geez...get out of that vacuum bottle!

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Old 10-27-2007, 02:25 AM
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In article <Xns99D5D8A2726B9noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> I just found out, today, while playing with the iPhone SAFARI
> DOESN'T ROTATE INTO HORIZONTAL!


You are full of it. It does rotate!!!

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Old 10-27-2007, 02:45 AM
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Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote in news:jasin-
4AD99C.16383026102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:

>> No permanent battery

>
> The iPhone battery is fully replaceable. Here is one for $20.
>
> http://snipurl.com/1srq5
>


"This was one of the toughest ones we've ever seen.", he says in
the video parting shot. What a piece of $hit! SOLDERED IN
battery?! NOONE solders in the battery! Even my little Sansa
Express tiny MP3 player has a PLUG IN BATTERY! This is $400?!

Most interesting video, thanks for the pointer. I didn't see
anything resembling replaceable MEMORY, AKA memory cards. I
guess you're supposed to pay ATT to move anything on and off
it...again the iTunes-for-Money effect....Sellphone! I move
music, video, pdf files, etc. on and off it by removing the 2nd
8GB SDHC card, conveniently behind a little weather plug under
the handle, plug it into a Sansadisk SD-to-USB adapter because
the SD reader in my Gateway only reads 4GB cards, and plug it
into my USB hub #2. Now, with the 8GB card a removeable disk
drive, I can copy/move stuff on/off it very easily and quite fast
to the main PC. Some files are huge...(c;

I could plug the N800 into the USB hub, but that runs slower than
memory direct....

Replacing my battery, a standard Nokia BP-5L, just take the back
off it, which also gives you access to the internal 8GB SDHC
memory card, the other one, and flipping the battery out of the
metal holder like a normal Sellphone. It has gold pins to make
with the gold battery contacts. I'm never out of power long.
There's a spare battery in my carrying case:
The OEM BP-5L is used in many Nokia phones and is about $16 from
a thousand places on the net. The 2nd battery I bought was a
Duracell Li-POLYMER battery, the newer technology for $18. It's
still 1.3AH, same physical size to fit in the metal frame.

Changing the battery takes 10 seconds IF you have
fingernails...and doesn't void Nokia's warranty.

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Old 10-27-2007, 03:04 AM
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:45:13 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote in news:jasin-
>4AD99C.16383026102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:
>
>>> No permanent battery

>>
>> The iPhone battery is fully replaceable. Here is one for $20.
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1srq5
>>

>
>"This was one of the toughest ones we've ever seen.", he says in
>the video parting shot. What a piece of $hit! SOLDERED IN
>battery?! NOONE solders in the battery! Even my little Sansa
>Express tiny MP3 player has a PLUG IN BATTERY! This is $400?!


Ahh, now *this* is entertainment. Larry fighting with a sock puppet
troll. Priceless! ;-)


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Old 10-27-2007, 03:08 AM
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Gene Jones <jasin@janus.com> wrote in news:jasin-
4AD99C.16383026102007@mpls-nnrp-04.inet.qwest.net:

> But the display is clearer on the iPhone
>
>


Nope...just smaller. Took my N800 to ATT store this morning to
check that allegation. It just isn't so. Professional
multimegapixel pictures look identical, just bigger and more
beautiful on the bigger N800 screen. The Wikipedia photo is from
the little WEBCAM that pops out the side, VGA webcam, not a
camera. That photo isn't fair at low rez like that. Any good
flickr picture looks the same on both of them, except for the
size.

>Yes, agree... but overall the iPhone has a much longer battery

life.
>Even simple things like when you put it up to your ear to talk,

it
>senses the MASS of your head, then dims the screen to black.

Pull it
>away, it brightens back up. The nokia doesn't do that.


The nokia doesn't have an internal earphone, moot point. It has
speakers. It's not a Sellphone. I bet what the iPhone is
sensing is your face pressing lots of touchscreen simultaneously,
triggering that function until you pull your face away.

Speaking of things iPhone does automatically, when we were
playing with them, 3 of them on a display, this morning, ALL
THREE of them kept switching from Safari to the home screen in
about 3 seconds while we were looking at the webpages. We didn't
touch them...they just did it. We searched and searched for some
control to turn that off so it would STAY in Safari but never
found it. How do you force it to NOT switch away from the
webpage? The ATT salesman was very nice, but unfamiliar with the
product he was selling to a fault. He had no idea how to control
it.

As to my head, I would never put the Nokia to my ear and have the
speakers blow my eardrums! It's flip out stand makes phoning on
Skype a pleasure, but its microphone is TOO sensitive and picks
up background noise if you talk too softly because Skype
automatically adjusts mic gain to meet conditions. Everyone
reports they don't hear any echos when I'm on Skype with the
speakers instead of earphones.

OS2008 for my N800 and the new N810 coming out has expanded
bluetooth capability to include both handsfree BT Sellphone
headset and BT stereo headset/speaker support OS2007 doesn't.
OS2008 will be out "soon"...I'm sure before the Christmas retail
orgy.

There's a slidecontrol to change screen brightness from the
taskbar. You use control panel to set the automatic controls
when it dims itself after the last screen click.

I hope you guys can get Flash 9, RealMedia, WM and Java support
in the near future. I'm sure this is all related to it being a
Carrier-controlled Sellphone, with the company trying to stop the
unpaying streaming they all do quite well. I suppose I can see
their point trying to hobble anything that uses continuous
bandwidth. There's not enough quicktime streams to matter. I
hope the N8xx series gets JAVA support, which it doesn't have,
now, too. Some of my fav NOAA websites use JAVA to render
radar/satellite movies. N800 won't play them, dammit.

Will iPhone stream MP3 audio or is that hobbled, too?

Larry
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This is a most interesting conversation between us, but the
Verizon people are quite upset. Let's move this thread to
alt.cellular.attws on all future posts to this thread off
Verizon, where they choose not to participate as they can't even
stream anything for $60/month. I'll redirect all the posts I
post but keep the comp.sys.mac.advocacy the same....thanks.

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Old 10-27-2007, 03:11 AM
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Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
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> If you want to run Vista on a Mac, you can do so, get a Mac.
>
> http://www.apple.com/mac
>


How do you operate right-click on a 1-button mouse??
What about wheel clicks and movements?? MacMouse would be quite
useless on Vista with no way to get to the popup menus.



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Old 10-28-2007, 04:25 AM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:261020072125539196%fort514
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> You are full of it. It does rotate!!!
>
>


THREE units DIDN'T rotate and the sales guy who didn't know much
couldn't make it rotate on the 3 demo units at ATT

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Old 10-28-2007, 12:15 PM
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In article <Xns99D6EE5957F01noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>, Larry
<noone@home.com> wrote:

> THREE units DIDN'T rotate and the sales guy who didn't know much
> couldn't make it rotate on the 3 demo units at ATT


Duh. You turn the iPhone horizontal and Safari rotates. Either you are
a liar or you and the sales guy are both idiots.

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Old 10-28-2007, 04:22 PM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote:

> > THREE units DIDN'T rotate and the sales guy who didn't know much
> > couldn't make it rotate on the 3 demo units at ATT

>
> Duh. You turn the iPhone horizontal and Safari rotates. Either you are
> a liar or you and the sales guy are both idiots.


if the iphone is horizontal, like on a table and rotated... it won't
rotate for obvious reasons. it only rotates when being held at a 25%
(approx) or more angle.

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Old 10-28-2007, 10:28 PM
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Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote in news:281020070715343963%fort514
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> you and the sales guy are both idiots.
>


I suppose it's both of us. NONE of the 3 units rotated Safari when
the unit was rotated. Maybe someone got past it and hacked them
when noone was looking. I couldn't believe it was so stupid as NOT
to rotate. I know nothing of iPhone except there's damned few
control you can see on any preference pages....I was hunting to
find out how to stop it from just switching back to the home page
after 5 seconds of no tapping. I never found it, but didn't stay
long.

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Old 10-28-2007, 10:29 PM
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Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
7B6D6A.09221128102007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net:

> Charles <fort514@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> > THREE units DIDN'T rotate and the sales guy who didn't know

much
>> > couldn't make it rotate on the 3 demo units at ATT

>>
>> Duh. You turn the iPhone horizontal and Safari rotates. Either

you are
>> a liar or you and the sales guy are both idiots.

>
> if the iphone is horizontal, like on a table and rotated... it

won't
> rotate for obvious reasons. it only rotates when being held at

a 25%
> (approx) or more angle.
>


I was holding it upright in my hand. I think some joker hacked
it to make it look bad when none of the ATT reps were paying
proper attention.....

Larry
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