Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone

Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower
Reuters
Updated: 2:52 p.m. MT July 9, 2007
Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth quarter
that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player, according to
a JP Morgan report.

Kevin Chang, a JP Morgan analyst based in Taiwan, cited people in the
supply channel that he did not name and an application with the U.S. Patent
and Trademark office for his report.

Apple filed a patent application document that refers to a multifunctional
handheld device with a circular touch pad control, similar to the Nano’s
scroll wheel.

Apple did not respond to requests for comment.

Long lines of people turned out on June 29 when U.S. sales began for the
iPhone, a mobile phone with a music player and Web browser. Analysts have
estimated that sales in the first weekend were as high as 700,000 units.

Chang said a way to follow up the iPhone with a cheaper version would be to
convert the Nano into a phone and price it at $300 or lower. The iPhone
sells for $500 and $600, depending on storage space.

“We believe that iPod Nano will be converted into a phone because it’s
probably the only way for Apple to launch a lower end phone without
severely cannibalizing iPod Nano,” he said noting that the new phone could
have “rather limited functionality.”

Because of the anticipated lower price, 2008 sales of 30 million to 40
million units “is achievable,” Chang said.

This would be a much larger volume than is expected of the first iPhone,
Apple has targeted sales of 10 million units in 2008, which would give it a
1 percent share of the global market.


Sales of the iPhone are expected to be limited to a small percentage of the
market due to its high price tag, particularly in the United States where
85 percent of consumers tend to spend $100 or less on cell phones.

But analysts predict that a cheaper phone from Apple, which leads the
digital music player market, could pose a much bigger threat to
long-established phone makers such as Nokia, Motorola, Samsung Electronics
and Sony Ericsson, owned by Sony and Ericsson.

Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior
written consent of Reuters.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19682602/

marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:

> Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> according to a JP Morgan report.
>
>

On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"

iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.

Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;

Larry
--
While in Mexico, I didn't have to press 1 for Spanish.
While in Iran, I didn't have to press 1 for Farsi, either.
It just isn't fair.

In article <Xns9968DDA978500noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
> >
> >
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.
>
> Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
> the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;

They're in Roswell.

--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"

In article <Xns9968DDA978500noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
> >
> >
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.
>
> Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
> the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;
>
> Larry

Would you care to make a small wager on that?

:-)

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

On Jul 9, 3:53 pm, marc...@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
> Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower


Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
least people don't expect to be able to use an
iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
I'm a PDA" but can't run software.

On Jul 9, 6:43 pm, Larry <n...@home.com> wrote:
> marc...@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote innews:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.

History repeats itself. It was about 8 months ago when people were
fighting and getting shot, stabbed, punched
and robbed both when waiting in line for a Playstation 3 and after
they got the damn thing. The hype
machine around it was simply incredible. Fast-forward to today:

"Playstation-what? I'm too busy playing this Wii I finally was able to
get today to care about that POS!!!"


>
> Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
> the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;
>


Cool! I've been running out of interesting targets to shoot at during
practice.

On 9 Jul 2007, marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
>Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower
>Reuters
>Updated: 2:52 p.m. MT July 9, 2007
>Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth quarter
>that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player, according to
>a JP Morgan report.
>
>Kevin Chang, a JP Morgan analyst based in Taiwan, cited people in the
>supply channel that he did not name and an application with the U.S. Patent
>and Trademark office for his report.
>
>Apple filed a patent application document that refers to a multifunctional
>handheld device with a circular touch pad control, similar to the Nano’s
>scroll wheel.
>
>Apple did not respond to requests for comment.
>
>Long lines of people turned out on June 29 when U.S. sales began for the
>iPhone, a mobile phone with a music player and Web browser. Analysts have
>estimated that sales in the first weekend were as high as 700,000 units.
>
>Chang said a way to follow up the iPhone with a cheaper version would be to
>convert the Nano into a phone and price it at $300 or lower. The iPhone
>sells for $500 and $600, depending on storage space.
>
>“We believe that iPod Nano will be converted into a phone because it’s
>probably the only way for Apple to launch a lower end phone without
>severely cannibalizing iPod Nano,” he said noting that the new phone could
>have “rather limited functionality.”
>
>Because of the anticipated lower price, 2008 sales of 30 million to 40
>million units “is achievable,” Chang said.
>
>This would be a much larger volume than is expected of the first iPhone,
>Apple has targeted sales of 10 million units in 2008, which would give it a
>1 percent share of the global market.
>
>
>Sales of the iPhone are expected to be limited to a small percentage of the
>market due to its high price tag, particularly in the United States where
>85 percent of consumers tend to spend $100 or less on cell phones.
>
>But analysts predict that a cheaper phone from Apple, which leads the
>digital music player market, could pose a much bigger threat to
>long-established phone makers such as Nokia, Motorola, Samsung Electronics
>and Sony Ericsson, owned by Sony and Ericsson.
>
>Copyright 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or
>redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior
>written consent of Reuters.
>url: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19682602/

Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.

In article <Xns9968DDA978500noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
> >
> >
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.
>
> Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
> the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;

You couldn't be more wrong. I am not an iPhone user, nor do I plan to
buy one, but out of the box, the iPhone provides a huge amount of
functionality that smartphone users use all the time. There is no way
that people paying that amount of money for a smart phone, let alone a
cell phone calling/data plan would just throw away the device after a
few months, especially since they will likely lock in for a two year
cell phone contract. Not to mention that even though full fledged apps
can't be developed for the iPhone; there are a hell of a lot of new
functions that can be added by third-party developers via Web 2,
although I for one would like to see Apple open up the full API. In
fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising software developer
figures out how to get at the full API without Apple's help. That person
will be wealthy, as a result.

In article <Xns9968DDA978500noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans to launch a cheaper version of the iPhone in the fourth
> > quarter that could be based on the ultra-slim iPod Nano music player,
> > according to a JP Morgan report.
> >
> >
>
> On the editorial page of the local daily newsrag, this morning, there was a
> hilarious political cartoon showing this goofy kid throwing the iPhone over
> his shoulder into a huge pile of electronic toys. He's saying to the
> suited salesman, "I'm bored. What's next?"
>
> iPhones will be on Ebay in a couple of months begging for 1/2 price.
>
> Somewhere there are huge warehouses full of iPhones being held back to hold
> the price up......Hope someone finds them...(c;

That's illogical. Apple has a monopoly on the iPhone. Apple can set the
iPhone's price at whatever it wants regardless of the iPhone's supply.

Marc wrote:
> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone

<snip>

Personally, I'm waiting for "the best phone" that so many posters ask about.

In the mean time, I'll use my phone as a phone, my camera as a camera, and
watch movies at a theater or on TV.

--
Notan

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in news:srhi-CC54CA.07203810072007
@newsgroups.comcast.net:

> there are a hell of a lot of new
> functions that can be added by third-party developers via Web 2,
> although I for one would like to see Apple open up the full API. In
> fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising software developer
> figures out how to get at the full API without Apple's help. That
person
> will be wealthy, as a result.
>

I held one in the deserted ATT store across from Northwoods Mall in N
Charleston, SC, one of three on a little display to "make 'em drool over
something they can't have". It's cute, too small to watch movies on, has
crappy audio without earphones and is too BIG for a cellphone. I saw my
reflection in the window making a call and I looked really stupid holding
a Palm Pilot to my ear talking to it...(c;

Specifically, what new function were you referring to?

Play music.....no, no, not that....
Play video.....no, no, not that....
look at webpages...no, no, not that
download files....no, no, forbidden by ATT
email....no, no, that's not new, either.
Play online games....no, also forbidden
Run Windoze software....oops, sorry.
Run MAC software....no, it doesn't do that, either, I'm told.
Run Palm software....no, no, that wouldn't consume enough power.
Do Palm Pilot "things"....no, no, that's not new any more

Hmm...It's not a HDTV....It's not a surround sound stereo, either....It
has no beverage functions or food processors and I don't THINK anyone has
figured out a way to have some new orgasms with it. I didn't see any
holes...(c;

SPECIFICALLY, what NEW "functions" does it have, outside of the two-
fingered slick touchscreen? Everything except webpages and email are
forbidden by its ATT masters so there'll be no new stuff from that port.
It has little STORAGE, no hard drive and no way to access the OS to
"install things" its masters at Apple/ATT don't want on their system.

Larry
--
Damn! No Linux GUI, either!

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in news:srhi-4980DE.07221010072007
@newsgroups.comcast.net:

> That's illogical. Apple has a monopoly on the iPhone. Apple can set the
> iPhone's price at whatever it wants regardless of the iPhone's supply.
>
>

GM has a monopoly on Cadillac Escalades, too, but it cannot demand any
price it wants for it because the market is FLOODED with Escalades selling
far below its dream price.

So, as with every other new product, we create a shortage to maintain
retail pricing until, at least, the richest and most drooling customers
have paid full retail for it...and its sales go into the post-fascination
slump every product, including this one, goes through. Then, prices will
drop until sales pick up to a target level, again. Remember those big-
screen $10,000 (various technology) TV sets Circuit City now sells for
$1595? Same idea....

That cartoon on the editorial page was spot-on accurate....(c;

Larry
--
While in Mexico, I didn't have to press 1 for Spanish.
While in Iran, I didn't have to press 1 for Farsi, either.
It just isn't fair.

In article <1184048323.764812.15380@i38g2000prf.googlegroups. com>,
zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote:

> On Jul 9, 3:53 pm, marc...@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote:
> > Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
> > Chang said follow to iPhone could be priced at $300 or lower
>
>
> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
> least people don't expect to be able to use an
> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.

The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
where everything is easy to use and intuitive."

That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.

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To reply by email, remove the word "space"

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Specifically, what new function were you referring to?
>
> Play music.....no, no, not that....

first cell device to use Coverflow - that's very new.

> Play video.....no, no, not that....

first cell device to be directly linked to YouTube - that's very new.

> look at webpages...no, no, not that

first cell device to show the Actual Web - that's very new.

> download files....no, no, forbidden by ATT

??? but you don't have to use ATT, you can use 802.11.

> email....no, no, that's not new, either.

first cell device to have your actual emails - that's very new.

> Play online games....no, also forbidden

you got one right! no games sorry, kiddos... i guess this is a big
person's toy.

> Run Windoze software....oops, sorry.

and why would you ever want to do that?

> Run MAC software....no, it doesn't do that, either, I'm told.

ah, it runs Mac software, what do you think each of those buttons does?

> Run Palm software....no, no, that wouldn't consume enough power.

palm stuff isn't needed.

> Do Palm Pilot "things"....no, no, that's not new any more

like what?

> Hmm...It's not a HDTV....

It's actually higher quality than HDTV, a 1660dpi screen, the first of
any cell phone.

> It's not a surround sound stereo, either....

unless you hook up speakers of course.

> It
> has no beverage functions or food processors

don't be silly.

> and I don't THINK anyone has
> figured out a way to have some new orgasms with it.

sure they have, where have you been?

http://www.ohmibod.com/ohmibod.html

>
> SPECIFICALLY, what NEW "functions" does it have, outside of the two-
> fingered slick touchscreen? Everything except webpages and email are
> forbidden by its ATT masters so there'll be no new stuff from that port.
> It has little STORAGE, no hard drive and no way to access the OS to
> "install things" its masters at Apple/ATT don't want on their system.

I listed out many new features above, read it again. a hard drive would
consume battery life and you can write any Web 2.0 app you want for it.
I just put real time, moving radar on mine. How about your cell phone,
can it do this?

http://apple.accuweather.com/widget/iphone1/iphone.html

Nope!

=

So Larry, we have now discovered you are an idiot. Thanks for letting us
know.

Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:

> > Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
> > least people don't expect to be able to use an
> > iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
> > I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
>
> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
> where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
>
> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.

100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
phone in history.

none wrote:
> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
>> where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
>>
>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
>
> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
> phone in history.

You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?

--
Notan

Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> >>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
> >>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
> >>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
> >>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
> >> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
> >> where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
> >>
> >> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
> >
> > 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
> > phone in history.
>
> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?

I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots and
lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
facts".

http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/

The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
"grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.

So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
product actually delivered.

Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
on the market, and everyone agrees with that.

none wrote:
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
>>>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
>>>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
>>>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
>>>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
>>>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
>>>> where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
>>>>
>>>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
>>> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
>>> phone in history.
>> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?
>
> I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots and
> lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
> point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
> facts".
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
>
> The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
> "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
> exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
>
> So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
> product actually delivered.
>
> Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
> little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
> on the market, and everyone agrees with that.

You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>

--
Notan

marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:

> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone

How about one based on the Shuffle, for people who just want to talk
to somebody, but don't care who?

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | bert@iphouse.com

"Notan" <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in message
news:LaidnbsnKKLhJQ7bnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com ...
> none wrote:
>> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
>>>>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
>>>>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
>>>>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
>>>>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function
>>>>> phone where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
>>>>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
>>>> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
>>>> phone in history.
>>> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?
>>
>> I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots and
>> lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
>> point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
>> facts".
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
>>
>> The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
>> "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
>> exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
>>
>> So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
>> product actually delivered.
>>
>> Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
>> little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
>> on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
>
> You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>
>
> --
> Notan

It's just a shame he wasn't waiting in line the day they were handing out
brains.

Bert Hyman wrote:
> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
>> Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>
> How about one based on the Shuffle, for people who just want to talk
> to somebody, but don't care who?

Very nice! <g>

--
Notan

At 10 Jul 2007 11:12:50 +0000 Brian wrote:

> >But analysts predict that a cheaper phone from Apple, which leads the
> >digital music player market, could pose a much bigger threat to
> >long-established phone makers such as Nokia, Motorola, Samsung
Electronics
> >and Sony Ericsson, owned by Sony and Ericsson.

> Verizon is so-o-o-o-o-o-o-o screwed.

Yep- just as soon as American consumers stop caring about coverage... ;-)


--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> > The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
> > "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
> > exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
> >
> > So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
> > product actually delivered.
> >
> > Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
> > little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
> > on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
>
> You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>

sure, i waited 8 hours, got 4 iphones and had a GREAT time, got lots of
free stuff during the day, met new people, quite a few hot chicks! and
didn't sense any hype at all during the day. yes, apple could be accused
of "excitement", but never "hype".

In article <Xns996979520D696VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>,
Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>
> How about one based on the Shuffle, for people who just want to talk
> to somebody, but don't care who?

Did I mention that this is SO stolen for my sig files??

none wrote:
> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
>
>>> The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
>>> "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
>>> exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
>>>
>>> So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
>>> product actually delivered.
>>>
>>> Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
>>> little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
>>> on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
>> You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>
>
> sure, i waited 8 hours, got 4 iphones and had a GREAT time, got lots of
> free stuff during the day, met new people, quite a few hot chicks! and
> didn't sense any hype at all during the day. yes, apple could be accused
> of "excitement", but never "hype".


My question was rhetorical, as supported by your response.

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none wrote:
>met new people, quite a few hot chicks!

Awesome Dude. I'm sure you'll be the only one in your 6'th grade class
with an iPhone.

At 10 Jul 2007 09:31:25 -0600 none wrote:

> first cell device to use Coverflow - that's very new.


True- it's pretty, but it isn't a new FUNCTION. All music-playing phones
let you choose content by "album" or "artist." New look, old function.

This seems to be the theme of these online "debates" over iPhone's
merits. The pro-iPhone crowd confuses new methodology with new
functionality, and the anti-iPhone crowd dismisses new interface and
design far to easily, since ease-of-use is critical in the actual use of
all of these "new" feature that aren't really new.

> first cell device to be directly linked to YouTube - that's very new.

YouTube launched a mobile service just prior to the iPhone launch.
(m.youtube.com) making YouTube available on many mobiles now. Arguably,
the creation of their mobile service was in preparation for the iPhone,
so thanks for that! ;-)


>
> first cell device to show the Actual Web - that's very new.

Except for flash/java. It's closer than most devices, but still not the
"actual web."

> first cell device to have your actual emails - that's very new.

Huh? HTML e-mail has been available on other devices. I've had it for
over a year, although admittedly I needed third-party software (the free
QMail) on my WM phone. Now I have it natively (WM6) via software update
as well.


> > Play online games....no, also forbidden
>
> you got one right! no games sorry, kiddos... i guess this is a big
> person's toy.

While the anti-iPhone posts here have been ridiculous, it's equally
ridiculous to dismiss as feature the iPhone lacks as unimportant or
useless. A lot of adults play mobile games as well.

Besides, you can't have it both ways- it doesn't have games, so it's not
for kids- it doesn't have full Exchange support, so it's not for
business. Who then is it for? Unemployed adults?

> > Run Windoze software....oops, sorry.
>
> and why would you ever want to do that?

Agreed- it has it's own perfectly good OS. Imagine the possibilities if
an SDK is ever released!

> > Run MAC software....no, it doesn't do that, either, I'm told.
>
> ah, it runs Mac software, what do you think each of those buttons does?

Runs _iPhone_ software- not _Mac_ software, otherwise Safari would hook
flash and java support and download it, like a Mac can. It's not a Mac,
and it isn't running Mac software- unless Macs are now using ARM-based
processors...

> > Do Palm Pilot "things"....no, no, that's not new any more
>
> like what?

Isn't syncing one-way on iPhone? (I'm asking- I haven't used on yet.)
Do contact and calendar changes upload to your computer?


> > Hmm...It's not a HDTV....
>
> It's actually higher quality than HDTV, a 1660dpi screen, the first of
> any cell phone.

Huh? How does 1660dpi come out to 320x480 unless the iPhone screen is
1/3"?


The iPhone resolution of 320x480 is certainly sufficient, however VGA
phones (640x480) predate the iPhone (ETEN makes a WM PPC phone for
Euro/Asian markets with a 3.5" VGA screen.) I'm happy enough with 320x240,
but more is always nicer.

> I just put real time, moving radar on mine. How about your cell phone,
> can it do this?
>
> http://apple.accuweather.com/widget/iphone1/iphone.html
>
> Nope!

Animated radar maps hav been available on WAP browsers for years, and
downloadable apps (generally not free, however) have displayed it on PPCs
and Treos for quite some time. Sadly, it seems, this is another example
of "making it easy makes it new." How many current "dumb-phone" users
know the wealth of easy-to-receive information that's been available on
their phones for years?

> So Larry, we have now discovered you are an idiot. Thanks for letting
> us know.

Larry is just making a semi-valid point. The iPhone is certainly
breaking some ground in ease of use, but it doesn't actually DO anything
that hasn't been done before.
It's the iPod all over again- existing technology made easier. There's
nothing wrong with that- it's a perfectly laudable goal in and of itself.
I just remember watching the Pirates/calamari iPhone commercial a few
weeks ago and my wife saying "your phone does all that, doesn't it?" The
irony was
that I had to tell her "so does yours!" (She has a T-Mobile Dash- a WM
Smartphone with a "hard" keyboard rather than a touchscreen.)

I'd bet she'd like the iPhone- if only AT&T had coverage where we live...



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In article <Xns996979520D696VeebleFetzer@127.0.0.1>,
Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:

> marc318@hotmail.com (Marc) wrote in
> news:2GQNG8OL39272.7039467593@anonymous.poster:
>
> > Apple plans cheaper, Nano-based phone
>
> How about one based on the Shuffle, for people who just want to talk
> to somebody, but don't care who?

LOL - the entire teen market.

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In article <LaidnbsnKKLhJQ7bnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com>,
Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:

> none wrote:
> > Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
> >
> >>>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
> >>>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
> >>>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
> >>>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
> >>>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function phone
> >>>> where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
> >>>>
> >>>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
> >>> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
> >>> phone in history.
> >> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?
> >
> > I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots and
> > lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
> > point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
> > facts".
> >
> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
> >
> > The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
> > "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
> > exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
> >
> > So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
> > product actually delivered.
> >
> > Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
> > little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
> > on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
>
> You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>

And then trying to sell them on eBay.

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In article <JqSdnWnODsYZIw7bnZ2dnUVZ_sSmnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"MuahMan" <MuahMan@yahue.com> wrote:

> "Notan" <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in message
> news:LaidnbsnKKLhJQ7bnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@giganews.com ...
> > none wrote:
> >> Notan <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Probably would've been a better move by Apple from the get-go. At
> >>>>>> least people don't expect to be able to use an
> >>>>>> iPod like a pocket computer, unlike the iPhone which screams "look!
> >>>>>> I'm a PDA" but can't run software.
> >>>>> The iPhone simply screams, "Look, I'm a really cool multi-function
> >>>>> phone where everything is easy to use and intuitive."
> >>>>> That's what people have been waiting for. That's why it's selling.
> >>>> 100% correct, and that's why it has become the fastest selling cell
> >>>> phone in history.
> >>> You don't think "hype" had anything to do with it?
> >>
> >> I don't think there was any "hype" surrounding the iPhone, just lots and
> >> lots of actual/truthful information. Apple's ads were straight to the
> >> point and lacking in any "hype". Watch them, it's very much "just the
> >> facts".
> >>
> >> http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/ad1/
> >>
> >> The word "hype", would mean something that couldn't be delivered, or was
> >> "grandiose"... and with the iPhone, everyone agrees that it delivers
> >> exactly how Apple advertised it, BUT much more.
> >>
> >> So if you want to get "technical" there was "less hype" that what the
> >> product actually delivered.
> >>
> >> Sure the media got a little carried away, but even with that, there was
> >> little "hype" after the fact. the iPhone is easily the best smart phone
> >> on the market, and everyone agrees with that.
> >
> > You were one of those people, waiting on line, weren't you? <g>
> >
> > --
> > Notan
>
> It's just a shame he wasn't waiting in line the day they were handing out
> brains.

BTW- how is your Zune?

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