Page Plus is lowering a la carte texting and data rates on their standard
plan.
I received this email today:
"Page Plus Cellular
"July 27, 2011
"Dear Page Plus Dealer:
"We are pleased to announce*rate reductions*to our Standard*pay-as-you-go
plan. Effective immediately, the rates for SMS text messaging*and for
data usage have been reduced.
"The new rate for text messaging on the Standard plan is $.05 per SMS
sent and received (reduced from $.08 each).
"The new rate for data usage while on the Standard plan is $.99 per MB,
reduced from $1.20/MB.
"Standard plan voice rates and all other features remain unchanged.
*
"As always, we will continue to notify you of new plans, changes to
existing plans, and other important information as it develops. Thank you
for your continued support of Page Plus Cellular."
> "The new rate for text messaging on the Standard plan is $.05 per SMS
> sent and received (reduced from $.08 each).
Meanwhile, T-Mobile is increasing texting rates on August 13th by 100%
for receiving texts (5¢ to 10¢) while sending remains at 10¢.
This increase is _before_ AT&T buys them, just wait until after they're
part of AT&T (if the deal goes through). AT&T currently charges 20¢ per
text, sending and receiving.
AT&T has spent so much money on donations to groups that have
reciprocated by coming out in favor of the deal that they need to refill
their treasury, and increasing texting rates will help. As the CEO of
the Columbia Urban League stated, “In our work, we are often witness to
the obstacles minority Americans face when trying to access mobile
broadband and its associated benefits. This deal would help extricate
the barriers keeping our members from attaining these benefits, working
towards the end of the digital divide.”
To me it seems like the sole benefit of T-Mobile prepaid over Pageplus
prepaid is that you can keep a T-Mobile prepaid phone active for $10 per
year, versus $30 per year on Pageplus, and it costs $80 on Pageplus if
you only want to re-up once a year rather than three times a year.
> "The new rate for text messaging on the Standard plan is $.05 per SMS
> sent and received (reduced from $.08 each).
>
> "The new rate for data usage while on the Standard plan is $.99 per MB,
> reduced from $1.20/MB.
Geez Todd, when will you stop shilling for Pageplus?!
With the reduced rates for pay as you go data I may need to re-think my
$30/month plan since I haven't been using enough data to justify it.
At 28 Jul 2011 10:24:57 -0700 SMS wrote:
> To me it seems like the sole benefit of T-Mobile prepaid over Pageplus
> prepaid is that you can keep a T-Mobile prepaid phone active for $10
> per year, versus $30 per year on Pageplus, and it costs $80 on Pageplus
> if you only want to re-up once a year rather than three times a year.
>
There's that, plus compatibility with iPhones (albeit at EDGE data speeds)
and the $1.49/day "unlimited" data day pass which works on phones and
allows tethering. (It doesn't work on T-Mo-branded tablets or laptop
cards, though.)
At 28 Jul 2011 10:27:52 -0700 SMS wrote:
> On 7/27/2011 8:42 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > "The new rate for text messaging on the Standard plan is $.05 per SMS
> > sent and received (reduced from $.08 each).
> >
> > "The new rate for data usage while on the Standard plan is $.99 per MB,
> > reduced from $1.20/MB.
>
> Geez Todd, when will you stop shilling for Pageplus?!
I callz 'em like I seez 'em.
> With the reduced rates for pay as you go data I may need to re-think my
> $30/month plan since I haven't been using enough data to justify it.
With "free" 9.6k QNC, I've yet to pay for any data on PP (and you thought
100k EDGE was slow!)
On 7/28/2011 1:51 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Jul 2011 10:24:57 -0700 SMS wrote:
>> To me it seems like the sole benefit of T-Mobile prepaid over Pageplus
>> prepaid is that you can keep a T-Mobile prepaid phone active for $10
>> per year, versus $30 per year on Pageplus, and it costs $80 on Pageplus
>> if you only want to re-up once a year rather than three times a year.
>>
>
> There's that, plus compatibility with iPhones (albeit at EDGE data speeds)
> and the $1.49/day "unlimited" data day pass which works on phones and
> allows tethering. (It doesn't work on T-Mo-branded tablets or laptop
> cards, though.)
I know it exists, but I can't find the $1.49 day pass mentioned on
T-Mobile's prepaid page.
I did notice that the minimum refill for prepaid is now $15 rather than
$10, but the web site is wrong about the price per minute,
<http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/pay-as-you-go-plans>, it's now 50
cents per minute for the $10 card. That makes T-Mobile five times as
expensive as Pageplus, per minute, for the lowest denomination card,
with a higher minimum, shorter expiration, and far poorer coverage. I
wonder if they're intentionally trying to lose business in order to help
gain approval for the acquisition.
At 28 Jul 2011 16:12:15 -0700 SMS wrote:
> On 7/28/2011 1:51 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 28 Jul 2011 10:24:57 -0700 SMS wrote:
> >> To me it seems like the sole benefit of T-Mobile prepaid over
> >> Pageplus prepaid is that you can keep a T-Mobile prepaid phone
> >> active for $10 per year, versus $30 per year on Pageplus, and it
> >> costs $80 on Pageplus if you only want to re-up once a year rather
> >> than three times a year.
> >>
> >
> > There's that, plus compatibility with iPhones (albeit at EDGE data
> > speeds) and the $1.49/day "unlimited" data day pass which works on
> > phones and allows tethering. (It doesn't work on T-Mo-branded
> > tablets or laptop
> > cards, though.)
>
> I know it exists, but I can't find the $1.49 day pass mentioned on T-
> Mobile's prepaid page.
It's sad that T-Mo's web site has always been a confusing, contradictory
mess.
> I did notice that the minimum refill for prepaid is now $15 rather than
> $10, but the web site is wrong about the price per minute,
> <http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/pay-as-you-go-plans>, it's now 50
> cents per minute for the $10 card. That makes T-Mobile five times as
> expensive as Pageplus, per minute, for the lowest denomination card,
> with a higher minimum, shorter expiration, and far poorer coverage. I
> wonder if they're intentionally trying to lose business in order to
> help gain approval for the acquisition.
I noticed that a while ago, that the $10 and $25 cards where replaced
with $15 and $30, yet T-Mo still gives a "free" $25 card with the
purchase of a prepaid phone during some promos. The last card I
activated was a $25 freebie that came with a prepaid Comet I bought a
couple of months ago. I applied the card to a different line (an old
Gold Rewards line) and noticed I didn't get my "bonus" minutes for being
Gold. I wasn't sure if it was a glitch, or maybe that Gold bonuses
only apply to the new "current" card denominations. I didn't bother
calling to complain since I only use that line for the web day passes, so
the minutes mean absolutely nothing to me.
>I did notice that the minimum refill for prepaid is now $15 rather than
>$10, but the web site is wrong about the price per minute,
><http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/pay-as-you-go-plans>, it's now 50
>cents per minute for the $10 card. That makes T-Mobile five times as
>expensive as Pageplus, per minute, for the lowest denomination card,
>with a higher minimum, shorter expiration, and far poorer coverage. I
>wonder if they're intentionally trying to lose business in order to help
>gain approval for the acquisition.
Makes ya kind want the $29/unlimited Verizon plan back, huh?
Of course, I seldom use anything near that yet, I'm still
learning. But NO WAY do I want to pay .$50 a min and
$15 to RECHARGE at THOSE rates...30 mins at a time.
I'd guess 30 mins goes away REAL fast...
And I have no coverage problems, free Droid phone, etc.
On 7/28/2011 4:30 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 28 Jul 2011 16:12:15 -0700 SMS wrote:
>> On 7/28/2011 1:51 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>>> At 28 Jul 2011 10:24:57 -0700 SMS wrote:
>>>> To me it seems like the sole benefit of T-Mobile prepaid over
>>>> Pageplus prepaid is that you can keep a T-Mobile prepaid phone
>>>> active for $10 per year, versus $30 per year on Pageplus, and it
>>>> costs $80 on Pageplus if you only want to re-up once a year rather
>>>> than three times a year.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There's that, plus compatibility with iPhones (albeit at EDGE data
>>> speeds) and the $1.49/day "unlimited" data day pass which works on
>>> phones and allows tethering. (It doesn't work on T-Mo-branded
>>> tablets or laptop
>>> cards, though.)
>>
>> I know it exists, but I can't find the $1.49 day pass mentioned on T-
>> Mobile's prepaid page.
>
> It's somewhere in this mess:
>
> <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/prepaid.aspx?>
>
> It's sad that T-Mo's web site has always been a confusing, contradictory
> mess.
It's intentional.
I could still not find any mention of the $1.49 day pass for prepaid.
Inexplicably, under they have a sub-title "Monthly 4G and Pay As You Go"
but underneath they list their international rates, with nothing about
data:
<http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-additional-services#international>.
Also, AFAIK, T-Mobile has a 3G network and has not even begun to deploy
4G LTE, but they keep talking about 4G.
> I noticed that a while ago, that the $10 and $25 cards where replaced
> with $15 and $30, yet T-Mo still gives a "free" $25 card with the
> purchase of a prepaid phone during some promos.
Callingmart still offers the $10/30 minute card and $25/130 minute card.
I think the mistake on the T-Mobile site for the $15 card may be that
the $15 card has more than 30 minutes but they forgot to change it,
since on the $30 card they upped the minutes to 160 (from 130 on the $25
card).
I would not be surprised if what T-Mobile is doing is an effort to
increase churn so they look less viable as a stand-alone company when
the government is making the decision on the acquisition. AT&T is
looking increasingly desperate about the acquisition to the point of
being bizarre. They've gotten a large number of strange NGOs (that they
donate to) to come out publicly in favor of the acquisition.
Of course the lack of the iPhone and their 1700MHz spectrum are
additional causes of T-Mobile's churn since they can't offer many
popular handsets.
AT&T is not doing all that well lately either, churn is way up and net
additions have fallen by 42% (over the same quarter last year). Mostly
caused by Verizon getting the iPhone.
Adding <alt.cellular.t-mobile> in case any T-Mobile prepaid customers
are interested in paying a lot less for better prepaid.
At 29 Jul 2011 08:01:45 -0700 SMS wrote:
> On 7/28/2011 4:30 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> > At 28 Jul 2011 16:12:15 -0700 SMS wrote:
> >> I know it exists, but I can't find the $1.49 day pass mentioned on T-
> >> Mobile's prepaid page.
> >
> > It's somewhere in this mess:
> >
> > <http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones/prepaid.aspx?>
> >
> > It's sad that T-Mo's web site has always been a confusing,
contradictory
> > mess.
>
> It's intentional.
>
> I could still not find any mention of the $1.49 day pass for prepaid..
I'm on my WinMo phone, but on the oage I linked, below the phones, is a
list of prepaid plans, and in the list is:
" Pay As You Go plans
" Perfect for customers who want to control their spending without a
monthly plan, with talk as low as 10¢ a minute."
<snip refill amounts and credit>
"$1.49 Web DayPass: Unlimited 24-hour mobile web access for Pay As You
Go (also available if you need more data than included in your monthly
plan)."
> Inexplicably, under they have a sub-title "Monthly 4G and Pay As You
> Go" but underneath they list their international rates, with nothing
> about data: <http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-additional-
> services#international>.
>
> Also, AFAIK, T-Mobile has a 3G network and has not even begun to deploy
> 4G LTE, but they keep talking about 4G.
4G, in T-Mo's dictionary, is a marketing term and equals "as fast or
faster than the slowest speed anyone else calls 4G." Since T-Mo's 3G
HSPA+ (21 and 42Mb/s) is as fast or faster than Sprint/Clear's WiMax,
which is advertised as 4G, T-Mo feels it's perfectly fair to bill their
higher speed 3G as "4G."
Personally, I don't have a problem with that, since until Verizon
launched LTE, T-Mo's "4G" was the fastest network available, and faster
than Sprint's 4G.
FWIW, even Verizon's LTE doesn't meet the EU definition of "4G" (100Mb/s
average for mobile networks, 1Gb for fixed, IIRC) so in absence of an
industry standard definition of 4G, T-Mo can call their network anything
they like. (The fact that the normally very litigious carriers haven't
sued T-Mo over the use of the term would seem to suggest T-Mo is in the
clear, at least legally.)
> > I noticed that a while ago, that the $10 and $25 cards where replaced
> > with $15 and $30, yet T-Mo still gives a "free" $25 card with the
> > purchase of a prepaid phone during some promos.
>
> Callingmart still offers the $10/30 minute card and $25/130 minute
> card. I think the mistake on the T-Mobile site for the $15 card may be
> that the $15 card has more than 30 minutes but they forgot to change
> it, since on the $30 card they upped the minutes to 160 (from 130 on
> the $25 card).
$10 and $25 cards are still commonly available at resellers. Whether
they're just selling through "old stock" or whether T-Mo has just elected
to offer different values through third parties, I couldn't tell you.
> I would not be surprised if what T-Mobile is doing is an effort to
> increase churn so they look less viable as a stand-alone company when
> the government is making the decision on the acquisition.
Doubtful. T-Mo (postpaid) just launched a bunch of new value plans which
are very attractive and seem designed to win back the demographic they've
been losing to Cricket and MetroPCS. If the "fix" is in, and T-Mo was
trying to shred customers, the postpaid guys apparently missed the memo.
I think T-Mo is just trying to increase ARPU. Nobody wants/needs the $2-
3/month customer. Increasing the minimum refill bumps them up to $5/month.
None of this affects heavier users- they weren't buying $10s or $25s
anyway- the minimum card to get near $0.10/minute is $50, and even
heavier users are on monthly plans.
(Same goes for the texting rate increase. Anyone doing any significant
amount of texting is on a plan with a bucket.)
> AT&T is
> looking increasingly desperate about the acquisition to the point of
> being bizarre. They've gotten a large number of strange NGOs (that they
> donate to) to come out publicly in favor of the acquisition.
That's not that strange- it's the typical M.O. in these types of
potentially unpopular mergers. Notice Microsoft came out in favor of it-
AT&T has been the most enthusiastic vendor of the new Windows Phones, and
the only one to throw any ad dollars atpushing them.
> Of course the lack of the iPhone and their 1700MHz spectrum are
> additional causes of T-Mobile's churn since they can't offer many
> popular handsets.
Yes on the iPhone, but I'll disagree on the rest. Advertising is what
makes a handset popular. T-Mo's Android and Blackberry selection is as
good as anyone's, and certainly brr than AT&T's, but Verizon has created
"Droid" as a popular branding through incessant advertising- T-Mo just
can't compete with that spending to turn a "MyTouch" or a "Galaxy" into
an equally desired device.
A recent study (embarrassingly) suggested the iPhone was actually the
most popular device on T-Mo's network with over 1 million in active use.
(We've got two on T-Mo- one on postpaid, and one on prepaid.)
> AT&T is not doing all that well lately either, churn is way up and net
> additions have fallen by 42% (over the same quarter last year). Mostly
> caused by Verizon getting the iPhone.
Live by the sword, die by the sword. AT&T knew iPhone exclusivity
wouldn't last forever, but was too short sighted to plan an exit
strategy. They locked down their Androids tighter than anyone, carried a
piss-poor selection of them, and tried to steer their entire customer
base to the Jesus phone.
> Adding <alt.cellular.t-mobile> in case any T-Mobile prepaid customers
> are interested in paying a lot less for better prepaid.
Different strokes, as they say...
Page Plus has better coverage, but a crappy handset selection and poor
data options. T-Mo offers cheap subsidized handsets (not as cheap as
contract options, but certainly cheaper than unsubsidized,) the $1.49/day
web pass is pretty nifty for those who can use it, and their monthly
prepaid options, while not as cheap as PP's, offer a lot more data.
> FWIW, even Verizon's LTE doesn't meet the EU definition of "4G" (100Mb/s
> average for mobile networks, 1Gb for fixed, IIRC) so in absence of an
> industry standard definition of 4G, T-Mo can call their network anything
> they like. (The fact that the normally very litigious carriers haven't
> sued T-Mo over the use of the term would seem to suggest T-Mo is in the
> clear, at least legally.)
Nah, they're just not worth suing.
> Page Plus has better coverage, but a crappy handset selection and poor
> data options.
Any Verizon handset other than the iPhone and the Blackberry can be used
on Pageplus. But you have to pay full price for it.
> T-Mo offers cheap subsidized handsets (not as cheap as
> contract options, but certainly cheaper than unsubsidized,) the $1.49/day
> web pass is pretty nifty for those who can use it, and their monthly
> prepaid options, while not as cheap as PP's, offer a lot more data.
PP is definitely not a good choice for those that need to use a lot of
data, but for those people that use 3G data on their phone mainly when
there is no other data available, the 100MB can be sufficient. Last week
we were on a week long vacation. Every hotel (7) had wi-fi. Two college
campuses we visited had free guest wi-fi. Several restaurant we went to
had free wi-fi. It's more work than just using 3G, but not all that much
more.
At 29 Jul 2011 14:07:37 -0700 SMS wrote:
> On 7/29/2011 9:52 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > FWIW, even Verizon's LTE doesn't meet the EU definition of "4G"
(100Mb/s
> > average for mobile networks, 1Gb for fixed, IIRC) so in absence of an
> > industry standard definition of 4G, T-Mo can call their network
anything
> > they like. (The fact that the normally very litigious carriers
haven't
> > sued T-Mo over the use of the term would seem to suggest T-Mo is in
the
> > clear, at least legally.)
>
> Nah, they're just not worth suing.
DT has deep pockets!
> > Page Plus has better coverage, but a crappy handset selection and poor
> > data options.
>
> Any Verizon handset other than the iPhone and the Blackberry can be
> used on Pageplus. But you have to pay full price for it.
Have you priced "full price" handsets at Verizon? Dumbphones are $300,
smartphones are $500-600. Prepaid phones on T-Mo start at $20,
smartphones at $100. For practical purposes Page Plus users are stick
with the crap low-end or refurb phones from Page Plus, or whatever they
can score on eBay or Craigslist.
> > T-Mo offers cheap subsidized handsets (not as cheap as
> > contract options, but certainly cheaper than unsubsidized,) the
$1.49/day
> > web pass is pretty nifty for those who can use it, and their monthly
> > prepaid options, while not as cheap as PP's, offer a lot more data.
>
> PP is definitely not a good choice for those that need to use a lot of
> data, but for those people that use 3G data on their phone mainly when
> there is no other data available, the 100MB can be sufficient. Last
> week we were on a week long vacation. Every hotel (7) had wi-fi. Two
> college campuses we visited had free guest wi-fi. Several restaurant we
> went to had free wi-fi. It's more work than just using 3G, but not all
> that much more.
My vacation will go differently. We're traveling back east to see my
family and staying at my childhood home. Not a single WiFi access point
in range. (It's an older suburban neighborhood inhabited almost
exclusively by luddite retirees, most of whom are the same neighbors we
had when we moved in back in the early 1970s!)
Of the big four carriers, only Verizon works most the time, the other
three only work consistently outside in the yard or on the second floor.
T-Mo will probably disown me after I turn my "4G" phone into a WiFi
hotspot for a week for the kids' netbook, iPhones and iPods!
> Have you priced "full price" handsets at Verizon? Dumbphones are $300,
> smartphones are $500-600. Prepaid phones on T-Mo start at $20,
> smartphones at $100. For practical purposes Page Plus users are stick
> with the crap low-end or refurb phones from Page Plus, or whatever they
> can score on eBay or Craigslist.
Yes, that's true. Fortunately there is no shortage of gently used smart
phones for sale on craigslist.
> On 7/27/2011 8:42 PM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> "The new rate for text messaging on the Standard plan is $.05 per SMS
>> sent and received (reduced from $.08 each).
>>
>> "The new rate for data usage while on the Standard plan is $.99 per MB,
>> reduced from $1.20/MB.
>
> Geez Todd, when will you stop shilling for Pageplus?!
>
> With the reduced rates for pay as you go data I may need to re-think my
> $30/month plan since I haven't been using enough data to justify it.
But I use txt almost as much as calls, so the Unlimited is still working
for me.
> Geez Todd, when will you stop shilling for Pageplus?!
Maybe a remedial reading course would help him to comprehend the title
of the group? <GD&R>
Although PagePlus has some nice features, it's not a viable option for
many of us here.
Oh, BTW, T-Moble finally convinced me not to wait for AT&T, I'm back
with VZW and paying the $5/mo increase in monthly fees. <sigh>
I picked up an LG Revolution and currently oscillating between, "This
is the worst piece of crap ever made!" and, "Hey, I really LIKE this
phone!" I was going to take it back today but I'll give it a couple of
more days and see if I can resolve some of the issues.
At 30 Jul 2011 08:25:03 -0700 XS11E wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Geez Todd, when will you stop shilling for Pageplus?!
>
> Maybe a remedial reading course would help him to comprehend the title
> of the group? <GD&R>
Fair enough! I've always been of the opinion, though, that MVNOs,
particularly those without their own NG, were on-topic in their "master"
carrier's NG.
> Although PagePlus has some nice features, it's not a viable option for
> many of us here.
Absolutely true. Although I personally find it makes a great backup. I
use T-Mo, which occasionally leaves me short of coverage in the sticks,
and for $2.50 OP fills those holes without having to switch to Verizon
ans watch my family plan jump about $50/month!
> Oh, BTW, T-Moble finally convinced me not to wait for AT&T, I'm back
> with VZW and paying the $5/mo increase in monthly fees. <sigh>
That'll be all of us soon enough, I'm afraid, after the merger!
> I picked up an LG Revolution and currently oscillating between, "This
> is the worst piece of crap ever made!" and, "Hey, I really LIKE this
> phone!" I was going to take it back today but I'll give it a couple of
> more days and see if I can resolve some of the issues.
In my experience, I find that oscillating between like and hate really
means you like it, and just want to fix the things that bug you. Flaws
on products I don't like much seem easier to live with, almost because
you're expecting the product to let you down!
>> I picked up an LG Revolution and currently oscillating between,
>> "This is the worst piece of crap ever made!" and, "Hey, I really
>> LIKE this phone!" I was going to take it back today but I'll
>> give it a couple of more days and see if I can resolve some of
>> the issues.
>
> In my experience, I find that oscillating between like and hate
> really means you like it, and just want to fix the things that bug
> you.
Flaws that couldn't be fixed:
1. Can't connect to my PC, getting constant USB errors.
XDAdevelopers says it's a bad phone, exchange it.
2. Can't set up my email account.
VZW AND LG support say it's designed that way, no fix except to use K9
which I don't much like but I DID find a fix at the VZW store and an
HTC Thunderbolt is now connected and charging w/o any USB errors, my
email is set up with no problems!
I'm coming from a MyTouch 4G, also an HTC phone (rooted, flashed, etc.)
so I'm very used to HTC's miserable 3.4 minute battery life. I'm also
coming from a BlackBerry 9700 (which T-Mo would no longer let me switch
with the MT4G w/o changing plan) so I'm also aware there is such a
thing as 3 days of battery life with heavy usage. Shame on you HTC!
At 30 Jul 2011 11:37:19 -0700 XS11E wrote:
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> > At 30 Jul 2011 08:25:03 -0700 XS11E wrote:
>
> >> I picked up an LG Revolution and currently oscillating between,
> >> "This is the worst piece of crap ever made!" and, "Hey, I really
> >> LIKE this phone!" I was going to take it back today but I'll
> >> give it a couple of more days and see if I can resolve some of
> >> the issues.
> >
> > In my experience, I find that oscillating between like and hate
> > really means you like it, and just want to fix the things that bug
> > you.
>
> Flaws that couldn't be fixed:
> 1. Can't connect to my PC, getting constant USB errors.
>
> XDAdevelopers says it's a bad phone, exchange it.
>
> 2. Can't set up my email account.
>
> VZW AND LG support say it's designed that way, no fix except to use K9
> which I don't much like but I DID find a fix at the VZW store and an
> HTC Thunderbolt is now connected and charging w/o any USB errors, my
> email is set up with no problems!
>
> I'm coming from a MyTouch 4G, also an HTC phone (rooted, flashed, etc.)
> so I'm very used to HTC's miserable 3.4 minute battery life. I'm also
> coming from a BlackBerry 9700 (which T-Mo would no longer let me switch
> with the MT4G w/o changing plan) so I'm also aware there is such a
> thing as 3 days of battery life with heavy usage. Shame on you HTC!
It's not HTC (well, not entirely!) It's Android. Blackberry was designed
ground-up with two objectives in mind: use as little data and power as
possible, and achieves that with a proprietary, closed system.
Android uses standard technologies designed for desktop PCs, moves a lot
of power-sucking data around, and leaves apps and processes running all
over the place. It's really like a small desktop OS shoehorned onto a
phone. My HD2 gets about half the battery life on Android than it does
on WinMo, and my "pure" Android devices (a Huawei Comet and a Pandigital
eBook/Tablet) are no bargains wrt to battery life either.
> At 30 Jul 2011 11:37:19 -0700 XS11E wrote:
>> I'm coming from a MyTouch 4G, also an HTC phone (rooted, flashed,
>> etc.) so I'm very used to HTC's miserable 3.4 minute battery
>> life.
> It's not HTC (well, not entirely!) It's Android.
Mostly it's HTC, the late non-lamented LG Revolution had almost 50%
more battery life by my personal test.
> My HD2 gets about half the battery life on Android than it does on
> WinMo,
My experience is that it get's the same running either way but I'm not
running from the card, I flashed a NAND and WinMo is almost entirely
gone. I know there's probably some root files remaining but other than
that.....
At 30 Jul 2011 21:49:55 -0400 tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:00:58 -0400, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@anoospaml.com> wrote:
>
> > ...
> > T-Mo will probably disown me after I turn my "4G" phone into a WiFi
> > hotspot for a week for the kids' netbook, iPhones and iPods!
>
> Either that or Bill you Big Bucks for that privilege :-) .
Naah, my old grandfathered plan is unlimited. Worst case scenario they'd
tell me I need one of the newer limited "unlimited" plans.
>At 30 Jul 2011 21:49:55 -0400 tlvp wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:00:58 -0400, Todd Allcock
><elecconnec@anoospaml.com> wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>> > T-Mo will probably disown me after I turn my "4G" phone into a WiFi
>> > hotspot for a week for the kids' netbook, iPhones and iPods!
>>
>> Either that or Bill you Big Bucks for that privilege :-) .
>
>
>Naah, my old grandfathered plan is unlimited. Worst case scenario they'd
>tell me I need one of the newer limited "unlimited" plans.
Unlimited? Big user? No problem, they may just choke you to death...
While it sounds bad in that article, personally I'd rather that the
carriers use throttling and continue offering unlimited plans. Even the
throttled speed is probably enough for streaming audio, and it's
definitely fast enough for e-mail.
SMS wrote on [Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:42:21 -0700]:
> On 7/30/2011 9:55 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>> Unlimited? Big user? No problem, they may just choke you to death...
>>
>> http://bytelib.com/att-is-going-to-c...vy-data-users/
>
> While it sounds bad in that article, personally I'd rather that the
> carriers use throttling and continue offering unlimited plans. Even the
> throttled speed is probably enough for streaming audio, and it's
> definitely fast enough for e-mail.
Funny how they give no actual hard information
5% of 98.6 million is almost 5 million people.
12 times more data than the average... what's the average? What's the top
they are seeing?
Is the average 250MB? Are they throttling above 3GB? Or do they claim their
avg to be 100MB?
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/2011 9:55 PM, AJL wrote:
>
>> Unlimited? Big user? No problem, they may just choke you to death...
>>
>> http://bytelib.com/att-is-going-to-c...vy-data-users/
>
> While it sounds bad in that article, personally I'd rather that the
> carriers use throttling and continue offering unlimited plans. Even the
> throttled speed is probably enough for streaming audio, and it's
> definitely fast enough for e-mail.
Agreed. And it may benefit us non-hogs with a little more bandwidth too...
"Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Funny how they give no actual hard information
> 5% of 98.6 million is almost 5 million people.
>
> 12 times more data than the average... what's the average? What's the
> top
> they are seeing?
>
> Is the average 250MB? Are they throttling above 3GB? Or do they claim
> their
> avg to be 100MB?
On 7/31/2011 10:53 AM, Cameo wrote:
> "Justin" <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>> Funny how they give no actual hard information
>> 5% of 98.6 million is almost 5 million people.
>>
>> 12 times more data than the average... what's the average? What's the top
>> they are seeing?
>>
>> Is the average 250MB? Are they throttling above 3GB? Or do they claim
>> their
>> avg to be 100MB?
>
> It's a moving average, I gather.
They said throttling begins some time after 5GB and they said that
throttling only affects the top 5% of users, so presumably what they are
saying is that 95% of users are using less than 5GB.
They don't say what the average data use is. However when they dropped
unlimited data for new customers and began offering 200MB and 2GB plans
they said that 65% of their smart phone customers use less than
200MB/month of data. This means that 30% are (or were) between 200MB and
5GB.
This jives with recent surveys of data usage. I.e. the June 2011 Validas
study stated that 58-64% of users on each carrier were using less than
200MB/month.
In article <4e3585ef$0$2204$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS says...
>
> On 7/30/2011 9:55 PM, AJL wrote:
>
> > Unlimited? Big user? No problem, they may just choke you to death...
> >
> > http://bytelib.com/att-is-going-to-c...vy-data-users/
>
> While it sounds bad in that article, personally I'd rather that the
> carriers use throttling and continue offering unlimited plans. Even the
> throttled speed is probably enough for streaming audio, and it's
> definitely fast enough for e-mail.
I can understand your position... but personally, I'd rather have a
choice between being throttled and paying additional money. Being
throttled can cause problems since I use my smartphone for work, and
when you get throttled, you end up running at 2G speeds (at least that's
the way it works on T-Mobile).
> I can understand your position... but personally, I'd rather have a
> choice between being throttled and paying additional money. Being
> throttled can cause problems since I use my smartphone for work, and
> when you get throttled, you end up running at 2G speeds (at least that's
> the way it works on T-Mobile).
Yes, on T-Mobile you can't get around the throttling by paying more. On
AT&T you can by switching to the 2GB plan and buying extra GB.
But realistically speaking, on a work phone you're highly unlikely to
exceed 5GB/month. Those using excessive amounts of data are doing a lot
of video streaming.
At 01 Aug 2011 16:08:17 -0700 SMS wrote:
> On 8/1/2011 1:14 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> > I can understand your position... but personally, I'd rather have a
> > choice between being throttled and paying additional money. Being
> > throttled can cause problems since I use my smartphone for work, and
> > when you get throttled, you end up running at 2G speeds (at least
that's
> > the way it works on T-Mobile).
>
> Yes, on T-Mobile you can't get around the throttling by paying more. On
> AT&T you can by switching to the 2GB plan and buying extra GB.
On T-Mo you could get around it by upgrading to a bigger plan. In
addition to AT&T's two options, of 200MB and 2GB, T-Mo also offers 5GB
and 10GB.
IIRC, AT&T charges $10 per extra gig, so 5GB on AT&T would be $55, about
what T-Mo charges for 10GB.
> But realistically speaking, on a work phone you're highly unlikely to
> exceed 5GB/month.
IIRC, Steve (Sobol) exceeded it last month, which was why he asked the
question in the first place.
> Those using excessive amounts of data are doing a lot
> of video streaming.
That song again? There are plenty of ways to burn a lot of data without
necessarily "doing a lot of video streaming." Syncing files, uploading
photos, automatic OTA phone/SD backups (there are lots of Android apps
for that.)
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