Why will verizon not release an update for the storm? I hear there is an
update available , but I can't get mine to upate. I'm tired of waiting on
Verizon for a much needed update.
Tyler wrote:
Why will verizon not release an update for the storm? I hear there is an
update available , but I can't get mine to upate. I'm tired of waiting
on Verizon for a much needed update.
Gee, I wasn't aware that cell phones have updates, just like a computer.
What type of updates are they?
BTW my friend recently bought a Blackberry Storm and she returned it
after a week. She said she it had some good points and bad points. She
wasn't able to access some of the websites that she liked.
> Why will verizon not release an update for the storm? I hear there
> is an update available , but I can't get mine to upate. I'm tired
> of waiting on Verizon for a much needed update.
Call CS, ask if there's an update available. You'll need to have the
software version of your phone available when you call and you'll
probably have to take the phone to a Verizon store to have it updated.
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> Gee, I wasn't aware that cell phones have updates, just like a
> computer. What type of updates are they?
Just like a computer, software is updated to fix problems. I recently
had an update for my Samsung Flipshot that fixed the calendar problems
and now it's working as it should.
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XS11E wrote:
> JandC805@webtv.net (J and C) wrote:
>
>> Gee, I wasn't aware that cell phones have updates, just like a
>> computer. What type of updates are they?
>
> Just like a computer, software is updated to fix problems. I recently
> had an update for my Samsung Flipshot that fixed the calendar problems
> and now it's working as it should.
>
Updates can fix problems, add functionality or improve performance.
They can also add bugs, reduce performance and remove functionality.
FIND OUT what the update does BEFORE it's installed! If your phone
already does everything you want or need, think several times before
updating it.
> Updates can fix problems, add functionality or improve performance.
> They can also add bugs, reduce performance and remove functionality.
>
>
Unfortunately for everyone but the carriers, the software is, especially in
Verizon's case, all hobbled up with many standard features deleted so you
can't use them. If VZW thinks they can SELL you something, they force the
manufacturer to shut down the item or lock it out until you pay them.....
Typical nonsense carriers do is to shut down access to pictures or keep
pictures off removable memory cards so they can SELL you your own pictures
downloaded over their network so you can be charged, instead. Bluetooth
file transfers from the phone to your laptop may be hobbled up to prevent
you bypassing the box office and loading your own MP3 files, ringtones,
movies, music onto the phone without going by the carrier's box office to
pay for stuff you already own.
What pisses me off is: Why do I have to PAY just to use the ****** BREW
browser that's already in my phone each month?
Allowing users to "upgrade" from unmolested firmware may restore normal
operation to functions the company doesn't want you to have....damn them!
Alltel and VZW sell Motorola ROKR Z6 phones that are identical. Alltel's
is called Z6m, Verizon's Z6tv. Z6m has Bluetooth OBEX, FTP, DUN, A2DP,
Handsfree. Z6tv has handsfree headsets, but refuses to allow file access
on its memory cards or tether to a laptop for internet. It has Verizon
TV...woo woo!....****.
--
-----
Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....
Do you EVER get sick of being such a dark, black cloud?
"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9BF4F05C929EFnoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in news:S-
> adnZ3u3INOH3PUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Updates can fix problems, add functionality or improve performance.
>> They can also add bugs, reduce performance and remove functionality.
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately for everyone but the carriers, the software is, especially in
> Verizon's case, all hobbled up with many standard features deleted so you
> can't use them. If VZW thinks they can SELL you something, they force the
> manufacturer to shut down the item or lock it out until you pay them.....
>
> Typical nonsense carriers do is to shut down access to pictures or keep
> pictures off removable memory cards so they can SELL you your own pictures
> downloaded over their network so you can be charged, instead. Bluetooth
> file transfers from the phone to your laptop may be hobbled up to prevent
> you bypassing the box office and loading your own MP3 files, ringtones,
> movies, music onto the phone without going by the carrier's box office to
> pay for stuff you already own.
>
> What pisses me off is: Why do I have to PAY just to use the ****** BREW
> browser that's already in my phone each month?
>
> Allowing users to "upgrade" from unmolested firmware may restore normal
> operation to functions the company doesn't want you to have....damn them!
>
> Alltel and VZW sell Motorola ROKR Z6 phones that are identical. Alltel's
> is called Z6m, Verizon's Z6tv. Z6m has Bluetooth OBEX, FTP, DUN, A2DP,
> Handsfree. Z6tv has handsfree headsets, but refuses to allow file access
> on its memory cards or tether to a laptop for internet. It has Verizon
> TV...woo woo!....****.
>
> --
> -----
> Larry
> You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
> because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....
On 2009-04-22, Ness-Net <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
> Do you EVER get sick of being such a dark, black cloud?
More to the point, as he's been told, what he claims is NOT globally correct
for EVERY carrier - not even for every US carrier, since there are other US
carriers (other than Verizon) that don't cripple their phones.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
Larry wrote:
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in news:S-
> adnZ3u3INOH3PUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@giganews.com:
>
>> Updates can fix problems, add functionality or improve performance.
>> They can also add bugs, reduce performance and remove functionality.
>>
>>
>
> Unfortunately for everyone but the carriers, the software is,
> especially in Verizon's case, all hobbled up with many standard
> features deleted so you can't use them. If VZW thinks they can SELL
> you something, they force the manufacturer to shut down the item or
> lock it out until you pay them.....
>
> Typical nonsense carriers do is to shut down access to pictures or
> keep pictures off removable memory cards so they can SELL you your
> own pictures downloaded over their network so you can be charged,
> instead. Bluetooth file transfers from the phone to your laptop may
> be hobbled up to prevent you bypassing the box office and loading
> your own MP3 files, ringtones, movies, music onto the phone without
> going by the carrier's box office to pay for stuff you already own.
>
> What pisses me off is: Why do I have to PAY just to use the ******
> BREW browser that's already in my phone each month?
>
> Allowing users to "upgrade" from unmolested firmware may restore
> normal operation to functions the company doesn't want you to
> have....damn them!
>
> Alltel and VZW sell Motorola ROKR Z6 phones that are identical.
> Alltel's is called Z6m, Verizon's Z6tv. Z6m has Bluetooth OBEX, FTP,
> DUN, A2DP, Handsfree. Z6tv has handsfree headsets, but refuses to
> allow file access on its memory cards or tether to a laptop for
> internet. It has Verizon TV...woo woo!....****.
>
>
In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals, have
the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market what they
want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as they don't lie
or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the public, then market
forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to go out of business.
There is no Big Brother telling them what to do, nor should there be (except
perhaps, in the limited examples of healthcare and finance, public-good
services, areas in which competition and market forces do not seem to work.
And even that's my own opinion.)
Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing. They are not your mommy
and daddy out there holding your hand and protecting you from all the evil
in the world. Their purpose is to SELL things, Larry, not baby you, nor to
provide some sort of individualized product which suits the personal needs
of any specific individual.
If you don't like Verizon, go to someone else. There are many competing
choices. Oh, what? The competition gives you more 'stuff' but doesn't
provide as good a service? Aw, too bad. Make your choice then. 'Stuff' or
service. Or, alternatively, YOU start your own cellphone company and do it
better, the way you think it should be done and let's see how long you stay
in business. The last option is that you don't have to play. There's no law
that says you have to have a cell phone. Stick to your tablet thingy and
enjoy its superiority.
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:49f48c70$0$22530$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals,
> have the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market
> what they want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as
> they don't lie or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the
> public, then market forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to
> go out of business. There is no Big Brother telling them what to do,
> nor should there be (except perhaps, in the limited examples of
> healthcare and finance, public-good services, areas in which
> competition and market forces do not seem to work. And even that's my
> own opinion.)
>
> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing.
Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
Now, all we have to do to correct these problems is fire the *******
lawyers at the FCC who are SUPPOSED to be looking our for OUR interests,
not theirs, and put the stoic old engineers who used to look out for OUR
interests back at the helm of the FCC before the lawyercrooks got rid of
them.
Without a LICENSE, Verizon can do anything it wants to anyone it wants
any way it wants outside of a felony, of course. If we simply tell the
Verizon shell companies that hold the licenses how WE think sellphones
should be marketed in America, and if they disagree we'll simply CANCEL
their licenses to find someone who wishes to be in the sellphone
business with a more ethical and friendly manner....we can!
You cannot drive your car any ****** old way you like because you are
LICENSED by the people to have that priviledge. Similarly, sellphone
companies are LICENSED to provide a level of service the owners of the
airwaves, US, expect them to provide as a REQUIREMENT for us issuing
them a valid radio operation license on OUR airwaves. That license can
be revoked, making sellphone companies a LOT more friendly to its
customers in the process.....(c;]
Putting the old engineers back in charge of the FCC will have a nice
secondary effect, too. They'll rebuild the broadcasting business by
going back to the rules and regulations like forcing broadcasters who
want a LICENSE renewed to actually provide PROGRAMMING for 40 minutes of
every hour, instead of it just being a little fill-in between the
incessant commercials American TV has on it now under the lawyers.
Just imagine....TV with something to WATCH on it, again! What a
concept!
--
-----
Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....
Larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> news:49f48c70$0$22530$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals,
>> have the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market
>> what they want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as
>> they don't lie or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit
>> the public, then market forces should prevail to force them to adapt
>> or to go out of business. There is no Big Brother telling them what
>> to do, nor should there be (except perhaps, in the limited examples
>> of healthcare and finance, public-good services, areas in which
>> competition and market forces do not seem to work. And even that's my
>> own opinion.)
>>
>> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing.
>
> Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
> PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
> airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
>
> Now, all we have to do to correct these problems is fire the *******
> lawyers at the FCC who are SUPPOSED to be looking our for OUR
> interests, not theirs, and put the stoic old engineers who used to
> look out for OUR interests back at the helm of the FCC before the
> lawyercrooks got rid of them.
>
> Without a LICENSE, Verizon can do anything it wants to anyone it wants
> any way it wants outside of a felony, of course. If we simply tell
> the Verizon shell companies that hold the licenses how WE think
> sellphones should be marketed in America, and if they disagree we'll
> simply CANCEL their licenses to find someone who wishes to be in the
> sellphone business with a more ethical and friendly manner....we can!
>
> You cannot drive your car any ****** old way you like because you are
> LICENSED by the people to have that priviledge. Similarly, sellphone
> companies are LICENSED to provide a level of service the owners of the
> airwaves, US, expect them to provide as a REQUIREMENT for us issuing
> them a valid radio operation license on OUR airwaves. That license
> can be revoked, making sellphone companies a LOT more friendly to its
> customers in the process.....(c;]
>
> Putting the old engineers back in charge of the FCC will have a nice
> secondary effect, too. They'll rebuild the broadcasting business by
> going back to the rules and regulations like forcing broadcasters who
> want a LICENSE renewed to actually provide PROGRAMMING for 40 minutes
> of every hour, instead of it just being a little fill-in between the
> incessant commercials American TV has on it now under the lawyers.
>
> Just imagine....TV with something to WATCH on it, again! What a
> concept!
>
None of which has to do with whether a cell phone company decides it can't
give all its customers unlimited data plans for only $x/month when it
figures that it either has to charge $y/month or limit the access to 5GB. Or
whether that same company feels that it is economically feasible to provide
unlimited text messaging for free or charge $1.00 per message, or whether
they feel that they will be more sound financially by locking out certain
features on their phones and then charging the customers for opening them
up.
What you're proposing is intense government regulation of the cell phone
industry through its power to license and using that power as a gun to the
head of these companies to force them to what? Give away services for below
their cost? Go under? Let's do remember that these are publicly traded
companies and they have stock holders to answer to in terms of profits and
losses. Their goal is to make their stock rise so their shareholders can be
happy with the management. That's capitalism. Now if you think there's
something wrong with the system, we can talk about that, but we need to stop
blaming Big Business for trying to do what it's paid and designed to do.
I'd like to see the government become more active in regulating the
insurance, healthcare, and financial industries way before I'm going to
worry about a relatively non-essential area like cell phones.
Btw, like you, I am a licensed ham radio operator and have been for a long
time. I can relate to your 'licensing' and 'distribution of the public
airways' arguments, but I think they're irrelevant to the faults you find
with cell phone companies.
On 2009-04-26, Carl <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Btw, like you, I am a licensed ham radio operator and have been for a long
> time. I can relate to your 'licensing' and 'distribution of the public
> airways' arguments, but I think they're irrelevant to the faults you find
> with cell phone companies.
I mostly agree with you. Where Larry's argument *is* relevant is where
coverage is concerned. If he's not talking about coverage, the FCC argument
is irrelevant.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
On Apr 22, 1:03*am, "Ness-Net" <richard.nod...@nessnet.spam.com>
wrote:
> Do you EVER get sick of being such a dark, black cloud?
>
> "Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns9BF4F05C929EFnoonehomecom@74.209.13 1.13...
>
What's YOUR pecuniary interest in the matter?
He's just warning people about the unsavory way VZW does its
customers.
I appreciate the info he's passing along.
That's what usenet is all about --- to inform yourself.
On Apr 22, 9:54*am, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
> On 2009-04-22, Ness-Net <richard.nod...@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you EVER get sick of being such a dark, black cloud?
>
> More to the point, as he's been told, what he claims is NOT globally correct
> for EVERY carrier - not even for every US carrier, since there are other US
> carriers (other than Verizon) that don't cripple their phones.
Why you idiotic lying sonofa*****. How can a phone be crippled? It
doesn't have legs. Jeezus, what a baldfaced liar.
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
>
> Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
> But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
On Apr 26, 12:31*pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> > "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net> wrote in news:S-
> > adnZ3u3INOH3PUnZ2dnUVZ_j2dn...@giganews.com:
>
> >> Updates can fix problems, add functionality or improve performance.
> >> They can also add bugs, reduce performance and remove functionality.
>
> > Unfortunately for everyone but the carriers, the software is,
> > especially in Verizon's case, all hobbled up with many standard
> > features deleted so you can't use them. *If VZW thinks they can SELL
> > you something, they force the manufacturer to shut down the item or
> > lock it out until you pay them.....
>
> > Typical nonsense carriers do is to shut down access to pictures or
> > keep pictures off removable memory cards so they can SELL you your
> > own pictures downloaded over their network so you can be charged,
> > instead. *Bluetooth file transfers from the phone to your laptop may
> > be hobbled up to prevent you bypassing the box office and loading
> > your own MP3 files, ringtones, movies, music onto the phone without
> > going by the carrier's box office to pay for stuff you already own.
>
> > What pisses me off is: *Why do I have to PAY just to use the ******
> > BREW browser that's already in my phone each month?
>
> > Allowing users to "upgrade" from unmolested firmware may restore
> > normal operation to functions the company doesn't want you to
> > have....damn them!
>
> > Alltel and VZW sell Motorola ROKR Z6 phones that are identical.
> > Alltel's is called Z6m, Verizon's Z6tv. *Z6m has Bluetooth OBEX, FTP,
> > DUN, A2DP, Handsfree. *Z6tv has handsfree headsets, but refuses to
> > allow file access on its memory cards or tether to a laptop for
> > internet. *It has Verizon TV...woo woo!....****.
>
> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals, have
> the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market what they
> want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as they don't lie
> or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the public, then market
> forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to go out of business.
> There is no Big Brother telling them what to do, nor should there be (except
> perhaps, in the limited examples of healthcare and finance, public-good
> services, areas in which competition and market forces do not seem to work.
> And even that's my own opinion.)
>
> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing. They are not your mommy
> and daddy out there holding your hand and protecting you from all the evil
> in the world. Their purpose is to SELL things, Larry, not baby you, nor to
> provide some sort of individualized product which suits the personal needs
> of any specific individual.
>
> If you don't like Verizon, go to someone else. There are many competing
> choices. Oh, what? The competition gives you more 'stuff' but doesn't
> provide as good a service? *Aw, too bad. Make your choice then. 'Stuff'or
> service. Or, alternatively, YOU start your own cellphone company and do it
> better, the way you think it should be done and let's see how long you stay
> in business. The last option is that you don't have to play. There's no law
> that says you have to have a cell phone. Stick to your tablet thingy and
> enjoy its superiority.
>
> Meantime, try to stop whining so much.
Oh, stfu. He's informing people, much to your agonizing discomfort.
Larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> news:49f48c70$0$22530$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals,
>> have the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market
>> what they want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as
>> they don't lie or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the
>> public, then market forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to
>> go out of business. There is no Big Brother telling them what to do,
>> nor should there be (except perhaps, in the limited examples of
>> healthcare and finance, public-good services, areas in which
>> competition and market forces do not seem to work. And even that's my
>> own opinion.)
>>
>> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing.
>
> Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
> PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
> airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
So what you are saying is that since the airwaves are "ours" and even
though the cell companies paid "us" substantial sums to license their
use and spent billions on infrastructure and pay salaries and costs of
maintenance etc the service should be free?
How about a smaller scale example? Our local county owns a
park/recreation area that has a lake. They rent a space to a family that
has a concession stand and also a boat rental. Since according to your
thinking the space is "ours" would it be OK for you to show up and
demand free boat rental and then when you are done get a free burger,
fries and a drink? Why not? Clearly the park is "ours" and even though
the family pays rent, buys and maintains the boats and purchases
supplies for the stands what gives them the right to charge for that
service?
>
> Now, all we have to do to correct these problems is fire the *******
> lawyers at the FCC who are SUPPOSED to be looking our for OUR interests,
> not theirs, and put the stoic old engineers who used to look out for OUR
> interests back at the helm of the FCC before the lawyercrooks got rid of
> them.
>
> Without a LICENSE, Verizon can do anything it wants to anyone it wants
> any way it wants outside of a felony, of course. If we simply tell the
> Verizon shell companies that hold the licenses how WE think sellphones
> should be marketed in America, and if they disagree we'll simply CANCEL
> their licenses to find someone who wishes to be in the sellphone
> business with a more ethical and friendly manner....we can!
>
> You cannot drive your car any ****** old way you like because you are
> LICENSED by the people to have that priviledge. Similarly, sellphone
> companies are LICENSED to provide a level of service the owners of the
> airwaves, US, expect them to provide as a REQUIREMENT for us issuing
> them a valid radio operation license on OUR airwaves. That license can
> be revoked, making sellphone companies a LOT more friendly to its
> customers in the process.....(c;]
It would seem your major "level of service" problem is that you are
asked to pay to use their system.
>
> Putting the old engineers back in charge of the FCC will have a nice
> secondary effect, too. They'll rebuild the broadcasting business by
> going back to the rules and regulations like forcing broadcasters who
> want a LICENSE renewed to actually provide PROGRAMMING for 40 minutes of
> every hour, instead of it just being a little fill-in between the
> incessant commercials American TV has on it now under the lawyers.
>
> Just imagine....TV with something to WATCH on it, again! What a
> concept!
>
>
>
On Apr 26, 3:18*pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> > "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
I'd like to see the government become more active in regulating the
> insurance, healthcare, and financial industries way before I'm going to
> worry about a relatively non-essential area like cell phones.
Cellphones are not nonessential. They are a necessity. In this
business climate you'd be an idiot not to have one. They were not a
necessity when they didn't exist, but they are now. And the public
airwaves belong to the public, not greasy corporations like VZW.
jl wrote:
> On Apr 22, 9:54 am, Steve Sobol <sjso...@JustThe.net> wrote:
>> On 2009-04-22, Ness-Net <richard.nod...@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you EVER get sick of being such a dark, black cloud?
>> More to the point, as he's been told, what he claims is NOT globally correct
>> for EVERY carrier - not even for every US carrier, since there are other US
>> carriers (other than Verizon) that don't cripple their phones.
>
> Why you idiotic lying sonofa*****. How can a phone be crippled? It
> doesn't have legs. Jeezus, what a baldfaced liar.
You aren't much of a team player. You buddied up with your apparent
soulmate Larry who just whines and whines and whines and whines about
"crippled cellphones".
>> --
>> Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
>>
>> Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
>> But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
>
> Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
> PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
> airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
Maybe the old 800/850, but our government sold "our" airwaves fair and
square at 1900 PCS, 1700 AWS, and the soon to be vacated 700 Mhz UHF-TV
band.
George wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
>> news:49f48c70$0$22530$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals,
>>> have the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market
>>> what they want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as
>>> they don't lie or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the
>>> public, then market forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to
>>> go out of business. There is no Big Brother telling them what to do,
>>> nor should there be (except perhaps, in the limited examples of
>>> healthcare and finance, public-good services, areas in which
>>> competition and market forces do not seem to work. And even that's my
>>> own opinion.)
>>> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing.
>>
>> Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
>> PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
>> airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
>
> So what you are saying is that since the airwaves are "ours" and even
> though the cell companies paid "us" substantial sums to license their
> use and spent billions on infrastructure and pay salaries and costs of
> maintenance etc the service should be free?
>
>
> How about a smaller scale example? Our local county owns a
> park/recreation area that has a lake. They rent a space to a family that
> has a concession stand and also a boat rental. Since according to your
> thinking the space is "ours" would it be OK for you to show up and
> demand free boat rental and then when you are done get a free burger,
> fries and a drink? Why not? Clearly the park is "ours" and even though
> the family pays rent, buys and maintains the boats and purchases
> supplies for the stands what gives them the right to charge for that
> service?
>
>
>
>>
>> Now, all we have to do to correct these problems is fire the *******
>> lawyers at the FCC who are SUPPOSED to be looking our for OUR
>> interests, not theirs, and put the stoic old engineers who used to
>> look out for OUR interests back at the helm of the FCC before the
>> lawyercrooks got rid of them.
>>
>> Without a LICENSE, Verizon can do anything it wants to anyone it wants
>> any way it wants outside of a felony, of course. If we simply tell
>> the Verizon shell companies that hold the licenses how WE think
>> sellphones should be marketed in America, and if they disagree we'll
>> simply CANCEL their licenses to find someone who wishes to be in the
>> sellphone business with a more ethical and friendly manner....we can!
>>
>> You cannot drive your car any ****** old way you like because you are
>> LICENSED by the people to have that priviledge. Similarly, sellphone
>> companies are LICENSED to provide a level of service the owners of the
>> airwaves, US, expect them to provide as a REQUIREMENT for us issuing
>> them a valid radio operation license on OUR airwaves. That license
>> can be revoked, making sellphone companies a LOT more friendly to its
>> customers in the process.....(c;]
>
>
> It would seem your major "level of service" problem is that you are
> asked to pay to use their system.
>
>>
>> Putting the old engineers back in charge of the FCC will have a nice
>> secondary effect, too. They'll rebuild the broadcasting business by
>> going back to the rules and regulations like forcing broadcasters who
>> want a LICENSE renewed to actually provide PROGRAMMING for 40 minutes
>> of every hour, instead of it just being a little fill-in between the
>> incessant commercials American TV has on it now under the lawyers.
>>
>> Just imagine....TV with something to WATCH on it, again! What a concept!
>>
>>
>>
"Soap" and "Fresno" were the last things we bothered to watch on
broadcast TV. We even bought the DVDs so we could rerun the series at
our convenience.
I think every show we ever liked was canceled after a year or two. ISTR
that Star Trek lasted a little longer but it, too, got the ax.
We didn't buy the converter boxes so we could "continue" to watch
broadcast TV". If you don't watch it in the first place, how can you
continue?
In this case, we're talking about phones with software features that
were available from the manufacturer but had some of those features disabled
by the carrier.
Crippled doesn't necessarily mean "physically disabled."
Dude, you just make it *too* *easy.*
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
On 2009-04-26, George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> You aren't much of a team player. You buddied up with your apparent
> soulmate Larry who just whines and whines and whines and whines about
> "crippled cellphones".
The opportunity to slam me trumped the opportunity to "team up" with Larry,
apparently.
Our boy isn't even consistent
At least Larry IS consistent, I'll give him that much. I do admire his
determination to stick to his argument, even if he's not always right.
--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, California, USA
Microsoft's new marketing slogan for Windows is "Life Without Walls."
But if you have no walls, how can you have windows?
>>
>> If you don't like Verizon, go to someone else. There are many competing
>> choices. Oh, what? The competition gives you more 'stuff' but doesn't
>> provide as good a service? Aw, too bad. Make your choice then. 'Stuff' or
>> service. Or, alternatively, YOU start your own cellphone company and do it
>> better, the way you think it should be done and let's see how long you stay
>> in business. The last option is that you don't have to play. There's no law
>> that says you have to have a cell phone. Stick to your tablet thingy and
>> enjoy its superiority.
>>
>> Meantime, try to stop whining so much.
>
> Oh, stfu. He's informing people, much to your agonizing discomfort.
>
It is amazing to watch such a polished and professional legal mind at
work. I can imagine that your opponents shuddered when they heard your
name. Was any of your courtroom work recorded and if so could you upload
it somewhere? It would be fascinating watching you torpedo the
opposition with "your honor, I don't like what that other guy said,
would you tell him to stfu?"
On Apr 26, 5:34*pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> jl wrote:
>
> >> If you don't like Verizon, go to someone else. There are many competing
> >> choices. Oh, what? The competition gives you more 'stuff' but doesn't
> >> provide as good a service? *Aw, too bad. Make your choice then. 'Stuff' or
> >> service. Or, alternatively, YOU start your own cellphone company and do it
> >> better, the way you think it should be done and let's see how long youstay
> >> in business. The last option is that you don't have to play. There's no law
> >> that says you have to have a cell phone. Stick to your tablet thingy and
> >> enjoy its superiority.
>
> >> Meantime, try to stop whining so much.
>
> > Oh, stfu. *He's informing people, much to your agonizing discomfort.
>
> It is amazing to watch such a polished and professional legal mind at
> work. I can imagine that your opponents shuddered when they heard your
> name. Was any of your courtroom work recorded and if so could you upload
> it somewhere? It would be fascinating watching you torpedo the
> opposition with "your honor, I don't like what that other guy said,
> would you tell him to stfu?"
This is usenet, shitbird, not the courtroom. This is raucous free
speech, and you are a shitbird of a feather.
On Apr 26, 3:50*pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> > "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> >news:49f48c70$0$22530$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
> >> In a free, capitalistic society, Larry, companies, like individuals,
> >> have the right to produce the product they choose to produce, market
> >> what they want to market, and sell what they want to sell (as long as
> >> they don't lie or misrepresent). If what they produce doesn't suit the
> >> public, then market forces should prevail to force them to adapt or to
> >> go out of business. There is no Big Brother telling them what to do,
> >> nor should there be (except perhaps, in the limited examples of
> >> healthcare and finance, public-good services, areas in which
> >> competition and market forces do not seem to work. And even that's my
> >> own opinion.)
>
> >> Companies, Verizon or otherwise, owe you nothing.
>
> > Sounds great, but doesn't wash. *Sellphone companies operate on the
> > PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. *It's NOT their
> > airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
>
> So what you are saying is that since the airwaves are "ours" and even
> though the cell companies paid "us" substantial sums to license their
> use and spent billions on infrastructure and pay salaries and costs of
> maintenance etc the service should be free?
>
> How about a smaller scale example? Our local county owns a
> park/recreation area that has a lake. They rent a space to a family that
> has a concession stand and also a boat rental. Since according to your
> thinking the space is "ours" would it be OK for you to show up and
> demand free boat rental and then when you are done *get a free burger,
> fries and a drink? Why not? Clearly the park is "ours" and even though
> the family pays rent, buys and maintains the boats and purchases
> supplies for the stands what gives them the right to charge for that
> service?
>
>
>
>
>
> > Now, all we have to do to correct these problems is fire the *******
> > lawyers at the FCC who are SUPPOSED to be looking our for OUR interests,
> > not theirs, and put the stoic old engineers who used to look out for OUR
> > interests back at the helm of the FCC before the lawyercrooks got rid of
> > them.
>
> > Without a LICENSE, Verizon can do anything it wants to anyone it wants
> > any way it wants outside of a felony, of course. *If we simply tell the
> > Verizon shell companies that hold the licenses how WE think sellphones
> > should be marketed in America, and if they disagree we'll simply CANCEL
> > their licenses to find someone who wishes to be in the sellphone
> > business with a more ethical and friendly manner....we can!
>
> > You cannot drive your car any ****** old way you like because you are
> > LICENSED by the people to have that priviledge. *Similarly, sellphone
> > companies are LICENSED to provide a level of service the owners of the
> > airwaves, US, expect them to provide as a REQUIREMENT for us issuing
> > them a valid radio operation license on OUR airwaves. *That license can
> > be revoked, making sellphone companies a LOT more friendly to its
> > customers in the process.....(c;]
>
> It would seem your major "level of service" problem is that you are
> asked to pay to use their system.
And that, dear friends of cyberworld, would be the unadorned strawman
argument.
The strawman monger deals in falsities, i. e., he rephrases the facts
and argument to intentionally distort it.
In article <QA3Jl.90448$0%2.53072@newsfe22.iad>,
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> At 26 Apr 2009 18:21:09 +0000 Larry wrote:
>
> > Sounds great, but doesn't wash. Sellphone companies operate on the
> > PUBLIC'S AIRWAVES, at the PUBLIC'S convenience. It's NOT their
> > airwaves, it's OURS, yours and mine.
>
>
> Maybe the old 800/850, but our government sold "our" airwaves fair and
> square at 1900 PCS, 1700 AWS, and the soon to be vacated 700 Mhz UHF-TV
> band.
true enough, but why would the government honor a contract any more than
it honors treaties?
--
"You tried to steal the identity of a James G. Keegan Jr. who did in
fact author a book, and you're trying to convince people that you are
the same person." -- corrupt prison clerk heishman lying as "Osprey"
in an effort to cover-up his earlier lie that i was not an author
<noneedtok...@mail.com> in<v4qdndNQW_fFAMXanZ2dnUVZ_sOrn...@comcast.com>
> I can see I'm going to have to spoon-feed this to you, just like I
> did with the other defnitions we talked about:
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crippled
>
> 2. anything that is impaired or flawed.
Not really correct, here's a better one from Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: cripple
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): crip·pled; crip·pling \-p(?-)li?\
Date: 14th century
2 : to deprive of capability for service or of strength, efficiency, or
wholeness <an economy crippled by inflation>
So that doesn't apply to Verizon phones as they work exactly as they
are built to work.
> In this case, we're talking about phones with software features
> that were available from the manufacturer but had some of those
> features disabled by the carrier.
Also incorrect usage of the words "crippled" and "disabled", the phones
come from the manufacturer with all the features specified by the
carrier, nothing is crippled or disabled.
--
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The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:49f4b380$0$22551$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> What you're proposing is intense government regulation of the cell
> phone industry through its power to license and using that power as a
> gun to the head of these companies to force them to what? Give away
> services for below
>
WOW! Look at the shitstorm of replies from the company supporters THAT
post sucked out of the toilet!
NOONE is asking them to provide anything for free and YOU know it. What
I'm proposing is we flex our little trigger finger to get FAIRNESS....you
know....like the guy who got the $22,000 sellphone bill for leaving his
email checker running.
What a line of ********! That's exactly why we need INTENSE REGULATION.
Of course, we NEEDED intense regulation way back when these sleazy *******s
decided to use different modulation schemes trying to prevent
churning....instead of doing what was SANE, like European REGULATORS did,
forcing them ALL to use the SAME SYSTEM FOR DIGITAL DELIVERY so the
customers could CHOOSE.
We're all intimately familiar with how well THAT's worked out for
us....phones you can't use abroad, phones you can't use in the next town
over....
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Larry
You can tell there's very intelligent life in the Universe
because none of them have ever tried to contact us.....
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