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Old 10-16-2009, 09:08 PM
Don Schmidt
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Default Bluetooth information request

I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
visor.

I have no Bluetooth use experience:

When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park the car
and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works with the cell
phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?

Many thanks,


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Vancouver, USA

P.S. Anxiously awaiting Imagio!! To be delivered Monday!!



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Old 10-16-2009, 10:31 PM
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Don Schmidt wrote:
> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
> visor.
>
> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>
> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
> pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park the car
> and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works with the cell
> phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>


I think you'd get faster/better information from somebody who sells
Bluetooth equipment. It's easy to ask on the net but the answers are
sometimes worth less than what you paid for them! Sometimes the answers
are good but if you're starting from zero it may be difficult to
distinguish the good from the bad.

For information about using Bluetooth equipment with your phone, your
local VZW store should be a resource! They might even have a "Demo"
unit that you could try before you buy.

Talking on a cell phone while driving is not the worlds greatest idea
even if you have both hands free!

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Old 10-16-2009, 10:57 PM
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Don Schmidt wrote:
> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
> visor.
>
> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>
> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
> pocket and after starting the car all is working?


Yes. The phone will automatically pair up with the Bluetooth device in
the car (the first time you'll enter a passcode on the phone, but after
than you don't have to) as long as you don't turn off Bluetooth on the
phone (Bluetooth uses power, even when it's not connected to a Bluetooth
device, so there is an advantage to turning it off on the phone).

> And when I park the car
> and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works with the cell
> phone?


True. The one issue is that it often takes the phone a non-trivial
amount of time to give up on the switched off Bluetooth speakerphone or
headset and revert to the microphone and speaker on the phone. It could
take 15-30 seconds to automatically switch, so if you're in the middle
of a call then the connection doesn't drop but you can't hear or speak
to the other party until the phone turns reverts to the microphone and
speaker. You can also manually turn off Bluetooth on the phone, or
manually disconnect. When the Bluetooth signal disappears the phone may
display something like "Bluetooth lost, use handset?"

> Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?


No.

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Old 10-16-2009, 11:24 PM
Don Schmidt
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Default Re: Bluetooth information request

SMS, many thanks for the information.

--
Don
Vancouver, USA


"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> Don Schmidt wrote:
>> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
>> visor.
>>
>> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>>
>> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
>> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
>> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
>> pocket and after starting the car all is working?

>
> Yes. The phone will automatically pair up with the Bluetooth device in the
> car (the first time you'll enter a passcode on the phone, but after than
> you don't have to) as long as you don't turn off Bluetooth on the phone
> (Bluetooth uses power, even when it's not connected to a Bluetooth device,
> so there is an advantage to turning it off on the phone).
>
>> And when I park the car and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no
>> longer works with the cell phone?

>
> True. The one issue is that it often takes the phone a non-trivial amount
> of time to give up on the switched off Bluetooth speakerphone or headset
> and revert to the microphone and speaker on the phone. It could take 15-30
> seconds to automatically switch, so if you're in the middle of a call then
> the connection doesn't drop but you can't hear or speak to the other party
> until the phone turns reverts to the microphone and speaker. You can also
> manually turn off Bluetooth on the phone, or manually disconnect. When the
> Bluetooth signal disappears the phone may display something like
> "Bluetooth lost, use handset?"
>
> > Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?

>
> No.




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Old 10-16-2009, 11:24 PM
Don Schmidt
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Default Re: Bluetooth information request

Richard,

Good points, many thanks for the information.


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"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Don Schmidt wrote:
>> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
>> visor.
>>
>> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>>
>> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
>> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
>> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
>> pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park the
>> car and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works with the
>> cell phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>

>
> I think you'd get faster/better information from somebody who sells
> Bluetooth equipment. It's easy to ask on the net but the answers are
> sometimes worth less than what you paid for them! Sometimes the answers
> are good but if you're starting from zero it may be difficult to
> distinguish the good from the bad.
>
> For information about using Bluetooth equipment with your phone, your
> local VZW store should be a resource! They might even have a "Demo" unit
> that you could try before you buy.
>
> Talking on a cell phone while driving is not the worlds greatest idea even
> if you have both hands free!




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Old 10-17-2009, 12:31 AM
XS11E
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"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote:

> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on
> my auto visor.
>
> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>
> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of
> setting needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can
> I have the speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car
> with my cell in my pocket and after starting the car all is
> working? And when I park the car and turn the ignition off, the
> speaker/mike no longer works with the cell phone? Or, do I have
> to turn BT on and off each time?


I have one of these and can highly recommend it:

http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-...abrasp700.aspx

To begin, you'll have to 'pair' the phone and the device, almost any
device will have instructions and they're fairly easy to follow.

Once paired, I leave the phone's BT on and always turn off the Jabra
because as I move away from the car it will turn itself off but... once
I was at a friend's house and tried to make a call, the distance from
where I was to the Jabra wasn't far enough to let the Jabra turn off
(Bluetooth may have more range than you'd think!) so the call was heard
in the car, not my phone! Besides, it saves battery life in the Jabra.

When I go back to the car, I turn on the Jabra and it automatically
pairs with the phone, I have to set it up only one time. I did have to
tell the phone to allow it to always pair with the Jabra, no problem
unless you have a BlackBerry 8900, in which case it's not really
intuitive, I had to ask. :-(

FWIW, I got my Jabra at Costco, about $80 with some extras that don't
normally come with it.


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Old 10-17-2009, 12:57 AM
Don Schmidt
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Many thanks! Sounds like exactly what I was hoping for.


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"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American



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> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on
>> my auto visor.
>>
>> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>>
>> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of
>> setting needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can
>> I have the speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car
>> with my cell in my pocket and after starting the car all is
>> working? And when I park the car and turn the ignition off, the
>> speaker/mike no longer works with the cell phone? Or, do I have
>> to turn BT on and off each time?

>
> I have one of these and can highly recommend it:
>
> http://www.jabra.com/sites/jabra/na-...abrasp700.aspx
>
> To begin, you'll have to 'pair' the phone and the device, almost any
> device will have instructions and they're fairly easy to follow.
>
> Once paired, I leave the phone's BT on and always turn off the Jabra
> because as I move away from the car it will turn itself off but... once
> I was at a friend's house and tried to make a call, the distance from
> where I was to the Jabra wasn't far enough to let the Jabra turn off
> (Bluetooth may have more range than you'd think!) so the call was heard
> in the car, not my phone! Besides, it saves battery life in the Jabra.
>
> When I go back to the car, I turn on the Jabra and it automatically
> pairs with the phone, I have to set it up only one time. I did have to
> tell the phone to allow it to always pair with the Jabra, no problem
> unless you have a BlackBerry 8900, in which case it's not really
> intuitive, I had to ask. :-(
>
> FWIW, I got my Jabra at Costco, about $80 with some extras that don't
> normally come with it.
>
>
> --
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> http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/




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Old 10-17-2009, 01:41 AM
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"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote:

> Many thanks! Sounds like exactly what I was hoping for.


One hint, when I clip my Jabra onto the sunvisor, I stick the
instruction booklet under the device (the booklet is very small!) so
I'll have it if/when I need to refer to it.

It's a simple, easy to use device with a bunch of additional stuff it
can do such as directing your phone calls through your car's FM system
and allowing any music you may have stored on the phone to play on the
FM system as well. Who needs an iPod? <G>




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Old 10-17-2009, 03:13 AM
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"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in
news:Ta6dnUMjj-JVT0XXnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition:

> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in
> my pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park
> the car and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works
> with the cell phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>


When you get it, you must "pair" the car to the phone. It's how
Bluetooth knows it's really you, not just anyone off the street. To do
this, for security reasons, you set the car to be "visible" so it
transmits on Bluetooth, then tell the Bluetooth in the phone to go
looking for visible gadgets. Click on the car's name of its bluetooth
device and the phone will pair with the car.

From that point on, every time the phone approaches the car, the phone
will be looking for the car's bluetooth audio device as soon as you turn
it on and automatically connect to it for use...unless you tell the
phone not to, of course. Set automatically to connect to the car, you
do nothing but turn the car's bluetooth device on.....probably with the
ignition key. The phone will beep at you to say it's connected to the
car so you'll know that's what you use to answer/make calls from that
point until you disconnect it, by shutting the car off. You don't have
to turn BT on and off, but if you're not going to use it for long
periods, shutting BT completely off on the phone reduces the loading on
your battery as it is a receiver/transmitter that draws some power, even
just listening for devices so it can autoconnect to them. Of course,
once shut off, it won't hear the car and won't connect until you turn it
back on so it can listen and hear the car calling it....driving you
crazy wondering why the car doesn't connect as you'll forget you shut it
off, of course....(c;]

When BT connects to the car, the speaker/mic in the phone is shut down
so the phone doesn't add to the background noise by its mic picking up
the car noises and bouncing around in the plastic drink holder you
dropped it into. Your callers appreciate this feature...

There are basically two audio "profiles" and the cellphone control
profile that interests you in the car. The audio connecting the
cellphone functions to the speaker and mic in the car to make/take phone
calls is one "profile". It's normally called "handsfree". The car may
have some buttons to control the phone, itself, and that control
"profile" is how the car controls connect to the phone controls. The
third is called A2DP or "Stereo". This audio profile is how the phone's
MP3 player connects to the car radio so you can play the music in the
phone through the nice car stereo they overcharged you for. Most new
car radios are "Bluetooth Ready". This means they have a jack to plug
the SEPARATELY SOLD bluetooth radio into so the car radio can chat with
the phone and get stereo data to play. Unlike FM transmitters which
don't work very well, especially in a crowded FM band of a major city,
the BT stereo link is totally "digital" and noise free, making this a
great way to play the phone's music in the car. This stereo function is
completely separate from the phone connection for calls. Most phones
can connect to a car radio at the same time as a separate handsfree
device because the profiles used are different. Only one device can
connect to any one profile at a time. The range of Bluetooth is only 10
meters so lots more people can use bluetooth in congested areas,
compared to 60 meters for a wifi router, for instance. Your bluetooth
audio will balk if used in a very crowded bluetooth environment....like
inside a big electronics store with 200 bluetooth printers all calling
for users making the band very crowded, indeed.

Hope this helps you. The phone and devices all have easy to follow,
step-by-step instructions to use them. Bluetooth is a standardized
system so this manufacturer's stuff can connect to that manufacturer's
stuff. However, many cellphone carriers shut down all but the basic
audio profile, even if it has an MP3 player, so they can "sell you an
added feature" by just turning back on what you should have had in the
first place....a fraud to be sure.



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Old 10-17-2009, 04:05 AM
Don Schmidt
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All you guys, many many thanks, I really appreciate all the information you
guys provided.


--
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CA6E22BB6777noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in
> news:Ta6dnUMjj-JVT0XXnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition:
>
>> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
>> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
>> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in
>> my pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park
>> the car and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works
>> with the cell phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>>

>
> When you get it, you must "pair" the car to the phone. It's how
> Bluetooth knows it's really you, not just anyone off the street. To do
> this, for security reasons, you set the car to be "visible" so it
> transmits on Bluetooth, then tell the Bluetooth in the phone to go
> looking for visible gadgets. Click on the car's name of its bluetooth
> device and the phone will pair with the car.
>
> From that point on, every time the phone approaches the car, the phone
> will be looking for the car's bluetooth audio device as soon as you turn
> it on and automatically connect to it for use...unless you tell the
> phone not to, of course. Set automatically to connect to the car, you
> do nothing but turn the car's bluetooth device on.....probably with the
> ignition key. The phone will beep at you to say it's connected to the
> car so you'll know that's what you use to answer/make calls from that
> point until you disconnect it, by shutting the car off. You don't have
> to turn BT on and off, but if you're not going to use it for long
> periods, shutting BT completely off on the phone reduces the loading on
> your battery as it is a receiver/transmitter that draws some power, even
> just listening for devices so it can autoconnect to them. Of course,
> once shut off, it won't hear the car and won't connect until you turn it
> back on so it can listen and hear the car calling it....driving you
> crazy wondering why the car doesn't connect as you'll forget you shut it
> off, of course....(c;]
>
> When BT connects to the car, the speaker/mic in the phone is shut down
> so the phone doesn't add to the background noise by its mic picking up
> the car noises and bouncing around in the plastic drink holder you
> dropped it into. Your callers appreciate this feature...
>
> There are basically two audio "profiles" and the cellphone control
> profile that interests you in the car. The audio connecting the
> cellphone functions to the speaker and mic in the car to make/take phone
> calls is one "profile". It's normally called "handsfree". The car may
> have some buttons to control the phone, itself, and that control
> "profile" is how the car controls connect to the phone controls. The
> third is called A2DP or "Stereo". This audio profile is how the phone's
> MP3 player connects to the car radio so you can play the music in the
> phone through the nice car stereo they overcharged you for. Most new
> car radios are "Bluetooth Ready". This means they have a jack to plug
> the SEPARATELY SOLD bluetooth radio into so the car radio can chat with
> the phone and get stereo data to play. Unlike FM transmitters which
> don't work very well, especially in a crowded FM band of a major city,
> the BT stereo link is totally "digital" and noise free, making this a
> great way to play the phone's music in the car. This stereo function is
> completely separate from the phone connection for calls. Most phones
> can connect to a car radio at the same time as a separate handsfree
> device because the profiles used are different. Only one device can
> connect to any one profile at a time. The range of Bluetooth is only 10
> meters so lots more people can use bluetooth in congested areas,
> compared to 60 meters for a wifi router, for instance. Your bluetooth
> audio will balk if used in a very crowded bluetooth environment....like
> inside a big electronics store with 200 bluetooth printers all calling
> for users making the band very crowded, indeed.
>
> Hope this helps you. The phone and devices all have easy to follow,
> step-by-step instructions to use them. Bluetooth is a standardized
> system so this manufacturer's stuff can connect to that manufacturer's
> stuff. However, many cellphone carriers shut down all but the basic
> audio profile, even if it has an MP3 player, so they can "sell you an
> added feature" by just turning back on what you should have had in the
> first place....a fraud to be sure.
>
>
>
> --
> Larry
>




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Old 10-18-2009, 05:27 PM
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on 10/16/2009 4:08 PM (ET) Don Schmidt wrote the following:
> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my auto
> visor.
>
> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>
> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in my
> pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park the car
> and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works with the cell
> phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>


You can kill two birds with one stone with a bluetooth enabled GPS.
Blurb for Garmin StreetPilot c550: Other GPS mfrs might have the same.
"Talk about worry-free driving. The c550 integrates Bluetooth® wireless
technology with a built-in microphone and speaker, so you can pair it
with your compatible Bluetooth phone and talk hands-free through the
c550 while staying focused on the road. Now there’s no more fumbling
with your phone’s handset to answer a call or dial a number — just tap
the c550’s screen and you’re connected. With 1-touch dialing for POIs,
you can conveniently call ahead for reservations or information".
New Garmin c550s can be had for less than $150 on ebay. Used ones for
less $ than a carton of cigarettes.

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Old 10-18-2009, 10:27 PM
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willshak wrote:
> on 10/16/2009 4:08 PM (ET) Don Schmidt wrote the following:
>> I'm considering getting a speaker/mike Bluetooth unit to clip on my
>> auto visor.
>>
>> I have no Bluetooth use experience:
>>
>> When having a BT unit in use with a cell phone is some sort of setting
>> needed before the unit becomes active? In other words can I have the
>> speaker/mike clipped on my visor, walk out to the car with my cell in
>> my pocket and after starting the car all is working? And when I park
>> the car and turn the ignition off, the speaker/mike no longer works
>> with the cell phone? Or, do I have to turn BT on and off each time?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>>
>>

>
> You can kill two birds with one stone with a bluetooth enabled GPS.
> Blurb for Garmin StreetPilot c550: Other GPS mfrs might have the same.
> "Talk about worry-free driving. The c550 integrates Bluetooth® wireless
> technology with a built-in microphone and speaker, so you can pair it
> with your compatible Bluetooth phone and talk hands-free through the
> c550 while staying focused on the road. Now there’s no more fumbling
> with your phone’s handset to answer a call or dial a number — just tap
> the c550’s screen and you’re connected. With 1-touch dialing for POIs,
> you can conveniently call ahead for reservations or information".
> New Garmin c550s can be had for less than $150 on ebay. Used ones for
> less $ than a carton of cigarettes.
>


I have a Magellan 3100 that is Bluetooth capable. I've not linked my
phone to it, though.

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