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Old 11-15-2009, 02:29 PM
Ignorant.not.stupid
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Default Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

My son wants a Verizon phone he saw at Walmart, and plans to use it on
PagePlus. However, at checkout the store wants to activate it on Verizon.

Since PagePlus IS the Verizon network, is there a way to get such a
phone without activation at point of purchase?

Thanks!

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Old 11-15-2009, 03:57 PM
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Ignorant.not.stupid wrote:
> My son wants a Verizon phone he saw at Walmart, and plans to use it on
> PagePlus. However, at checkout the store wants to activate it on Verizon.
>
> Since PagePlus IS the Verizon network, is there a way to get such a
> phone without activation at point of purchase?
>
> Thanks!


If the phone is a subsidized one, there is probably no chance!

If the phone is sold at the full, unsubsidized, price you can almost
certainly do anything you like with it. You will probably have to work
really hard at it because the industry is set up to sell carrier
subsidized phones along with a two year contract.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:05 AM
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Default Re: Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

I doubt the OP has any idea whether the price is "subsidized" or not. I
don't, and I'll bet the store manager at Walmart doesn't either.

To (kind of) answer the OP, a (very) small debate has "raged" here for
months over this very question. The answers given by our local panel of
"experts" are:

1/ If you don't let them scan the second barcode on the package (not the
item price barcode, but the Verizon barcode), then the phone will work on
PagePlus.

2/ The phone will work on PagePlus regardless.

I haven't seen anyone say here that their Wal-Mart Verizon phone would NOT
work on PP....and at the price (about $20, I'm seeing here) it may be worth
the "gamble".

By the way, one could give a guess about a "subsidized" vs. "un-sub" price,
but where would you draw the line? Anything less than $100=subsidized? Less
than $50?? You see where I'm going, and the funny thing is, at $20, even
subsidized, with no contract commitment, they are still letting a brand-new
Moto or Samsung out the door for $20. VZW would have us believe that the
cheapest VZW-compatible phone is "worth" $159 or so new, retail. BUT you can
buy one at Wally World for $20. Hmmmm.

Dean


"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:WoWdnWt2tOprr53WnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Ignorant.not.stupid wrote:
>> My son wants a Verizon phone he saw at Walmart, and plans to use it on
>> PagePlus. However, at checkout the store wants to activate it on Verizon.
>>
>> Since PagePlus IS the Verizon network, is there a way to get such a phone
>> without activation at point of purchase?
>>
>> Thanks!

>
> If the phone is a subsidized one, there is probably no chance!
>
> If the phone is sold at the full, unsubsidized, price you can almost
> certainly do anything you like with it. You will probably have to work
> really hard at it because the industry is set up to sell carrier
> subsidized phones along with a two year contract.




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Old 11-17-2009, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

"Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote:

> To (kind of) answer the OP, a (very) small debate has "raged" here
> for months over this very question. The answers given by our local
> panel of "experts" are:
>
> 1/ If you don't let them scan the second barcode on the package
> (not the item price barcode, but the Verizon barcode), then the
> phone will work on PagePlus.
>
> 2/ The phone will work on PagePlus regardless.
>
> I haven't seen anyone say here that their Wal-Mart Verizon phone
> would NOT work on PP....and at the price (about $20, I'm seeing
> here) it may be worth the "gamble".


Is there any reason the OP couldn't let Wally World activate the phone
and switch to PP when the initial minutes were used or expired?



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Old 11-17-2009, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

At 15 Nov 2009 23:05:25 -0500 Dean wrote:
> I doubt the OP has any idea whether the price is "subsidized" or not. I
> don't, and I'll bet the store manager at Walmart doesn't either.


Well, since according to the industry trades, the cheapest cellular
phones (ones with monochromatic screens typically sold only in the third-
world) cost $20-30 to manufacture, the "ubsidy" issue isn't in doubt. No
one at this point in time can retail new cellular phones at $20
profitably without a subsidy. It's not Walmart's problem, of course,
they're paying Verizon less than $20 for those phones and profitably
retailng them- it's Verizon that's "holding the bag" if the phone isn't
eventually deployed on Verizon service.

> By the way, one could give a guess about a "subsidized" vs. "un-sub"

price,
> but where would you draw the line? Anything less than $100=subsidized?

Less
> than $50?? You see where I'm going, and the funny thing is, at $20,

even
> subsidized, with no contract commitment, they are still letting a brand-

new
> Moto or Samsung out the door for $20. VZW would have us believe that

the
> cheapest VZW-compatible phone is "worth" $159 or so new, retail. BUT

you can
> buy one at Wally World for $20. Hmmmm.


There's no mystery here other than the cellular business is complicated!
In a completely unsubsidized world, that $20 Samsung would probably
retail for $80-100. Wireless is very competitive, however. When I owned
a cellular retail store in the late 90s, prepaid phones weren't subsidized.
Then carriers figured out that just like with postpaid cellular,
lowering the barrier of entry will increase adoption. Even with the high-
churn business of prepaid, the laws of "if you throw enough crap at a
wall some of it will stick" seem to justify the subsidy of prepaid phones
if the appropriate protections are in place. (For example, locking
handsets to the provider lke Tracfone, AT&T and T-Mobile do, or having a
"virtual" lock via limited compatibilty like Verizon has- Sprint doesn't
allow Verizon handsets on it's otherwse compatible network, so
realistically, Verizon or one of its resellers are the only services that
$20 Samsung will end up on.)



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Old 11-18-2009, 05:32 PM
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9CC670610CF33xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1>,
> XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > 1/ If you don't let them scan the second barcode on the package
>> > (not the item price barcode, but the Verizon barcode), then the
>> > phone will work on PagePlus.
>> >
>> > 2/ The phone will work on PagePlus regardless.
>> >
>> > I haven't seen anyone say here that their Wal-Mart Verizon
>> > phone would NOT work on PP....and at the price (about $20, I'm
>> > seeing here) it may be worth the "gamble".

>>
>> Is there any reason the OP couldn't let Wally World activate the
>> phone and switch to PP when the initial minutes were used or
>> expired?

>
> Yes.
>
> Because the phone IS NOT activated.


Probably the most ignorant response so far.

> Hey, what are you doing here? What the **** do you want a cell
> phone for? Didn't you get along JUST FINE without one for all
> those years?


Nope, this one beats the last....




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Old 11-19-2009, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

Walmart sells the LG VX5500 - an outstanding PREPAY phone with a lot of
features - for $23 plus sales tax. The cash register droid scanned the
phone twice.

It went home, charged (was never turned on), and we transfered it to
PagePlus in two minutes. Ten minutes later the old number was ported
over, and an hour later everything worked like Legos.

Wanna buy an old Sprint phone...?

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Old 11-19-2009, 12:04 PM
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <Xns9CC7756EDA622xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1>,
> XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Is there any reason the OP couldn't let Wally World activate the
>>>> phone and switch to PP when the initial minutes were used or
>>>> expired?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Because the phone IS NOT activated.

>> Probably the most ignorant response so far.

>
> Probably the most FACTUAL answer so far.
>
> Do you always go around answering questions based on things you make up
> out of thin air, and use that to dispute people who have actually had
> the experience in question?


I find its best to apply my someone is living in alternate reality so
don't bother reading them filter.

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Old 11-19-2009, 04:31 PM
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <Xns9CC7756EDA622xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1>,
> XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Is there any reason the OP couldn't let Wally World activate
>> >> the phone and switch to PP when the initial minutes were used
>> >> or expired?
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> > Because the phone IS NOT activated.

>>
>> Probably the most ignorant response so far.

>
> Probably the most FACTUAL answer so far.


Hardly factual, did you read the post from "Lon"?

> Do you always go around answering questions based on things you
> make up out of thin air, and use that to dispute people who have
> actually had the experience in question?


Nothing was made up other than your "because the phone IS NOT
activated" which indicates you have a reading comprehension problem.



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Old 11-20-2009, 02:05 PM
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> I don't have a reading comprehension problem--I read it, and I know for
> a FACT that what Lon said isn't true.



Don't argue, check it out.
Visit Walmart, pay $23 plus sales tax for the LG 5500 and ignore
whatever scanning the clerk wishes to do.

Charge the phone but don't turn it on.

Contact festoon on eBay, a guy named Tony who has made it his business
to facilitate PagePlus activations and phone number ports for new and
used Verizon-compatible phones. He charges $1.99, and provides a
remarkable level of service in expectation that you'll forever buy your
PagePlus minutes from him. We will.

We have now swapped three phones from another carrier, ported the
numbers, and are chugging along economically. In fact, next week we'll
do my mother's phone, making it four.

Try this, and you - like me - will know for a FACT that what Elmo said
isn't true.

Lon

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Old 11-20-2009, 03:09 PM
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Lon <londotpennelli@gmail.com> wrote:

> Try this, and you - like me - will know for a FACT that what Elmo
> said isn't true.


No need, I know that Elmo is wrong as is often the case.




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Old 01-28-2010, 12:41 AM
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That is going to change. All phones not just Verizon will be
activated on the provider that goes with you phone which purchased.
It is mainly wal-mart and target.

Currently you can activate it on Pageplus. Pageplus is working a way
to block new phones purchase at wal-mart and Target.

There is a way around that.

What you do buy the phone at wal-mart, target use up but $1.00 of the
free minutes, port to page plus. Problem solved.

Greg

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Old 01-28-2010, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: Buying a Walmart phone without activation?

Update,

Never mind what I said.

Here is
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1614683



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Old 01-28-2010, 06:25 AM
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At 27 Jan 2010 22:09:44 -0800 The Other Guy wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:41:12 -0500, Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >That is going to change. All phones not just Verizon will be
> >activated on the provider that goes with you phone which purchased.
> >It is mainly wal-mart and target.
> >
> >Currently you can activate it on Pageplus. Pageplus is working a way
> >to block new phones purchase at wal-mart and Target.

>
> WHY would they do that??



Verizon subsidizes the retail cost of their prepaid phones in
anticipation that people will use them on Verizon's comparatively
expensive prepaid service.

Page Plus doesn't have a problem with people using VZW's prepaid
handsets, but Verizon is objecting to the Page Plus dealers who hit a
half dozen Walmarts and Targets a day, scooping up the maximum allowed
number of handsets per store and reselling them as new "Page Plus" phones.



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Old 01-28-2010, 01:58 PM
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <7sc84bFtunU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> That is going to change. All phones not just Verizon will be
>> activated on the provider that goes with you phone which purchased.
>> It is mainly wal-mart and target.
>>
>> Currently you can activate it on Pageplus. Pageplus is working a way
>> to block new phones purchase at wal-mart and Target.
>>
>> There is a way around that.
>>
>> What you do buy the phone at wal-mart, target use up but $1.00 of the
>> free minutes, port to page plus. Problem solved.

>
> ...except now it appears that the phone has to have been in service for
> at least 6 months before VZW will release it.
>
> So buy some phones, activate them on INpulse, and stick them in the
> drawer. Six months later, they're good to go.


Right, after paying for InPulse service for six months at $8.33/month.

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Old 01-29-2010, 12:05 AM
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <4b61a5c2$0$1596$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> So buy some phones, activate them on INpulse, and stick them in the
>>> drawer. Six months later, they're good to go.

>> Right, after paying for InPulse service for six months at $8.33/month.

>
> ???
>
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...epayItem&actio
> n=viewPrepayOverview
>
> straight 25 cents/minute if you use it.
>
> So don't use it. Activate it, make a call, then sit it in the drawer.
>
> ???


After fixing your stuck ? key, you might want to look at the expiration
dates for each refill on InPulse. For six months, you have to spend a
minimum of $60 (two $30 cards each with a 180 day expiration). You can't
just activate it then not keep it active on InPulse.

Last InPulse phone I bought for PagePlus was a Samsung Smooth for $6.95
at Fry's. The phone is probably "worth" about $25, and sells at Wal-Mart
and Target for around $20 (and other stores for up to $60).

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Old 01-29-2010, 12:22 AM
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SMS wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <4b61a5c2$0$1596$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> So buy some phones, activate them on INpulse, and stick them in the
>>>> drawer. Six months later, they're good to go.
>>> Right, after paying for InPulse service for six months at $8.33/month.

>>
>> ???
>>
>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...epayItem&actio
>> n=viewPrepayOverview
>>
>> straight 25 cents/minute if you use it.
>>
>> So don't use it. Activate it, make a call, then sit it in the drawer.
>>
>> ???

>
> After fixing your stuck ? key, you might want to look at the expiration
> dates for each refill on InPulse. For six months, you have to spend a
> minimum of $60 (two $30 cards each with a 180 day expiration).


Sorry, my mistake. Two $30 cards each with a with a 90 day expiration.

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Old 01-29-2010, 01:57 AM
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:22:02 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>SMS wrote:
>> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article <4b61a5c2$0$1596$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
>>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So buy some phones, activate them on INpulse, and stick them in the
>>>>> drawer. Six months later, they're good to go.
>>>> Right, after paying for InPulse service for six months at $8.33/month.
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/s...epayItem&actio
>>> n=viewPrepayOverview
>>>
>>> straight 25 cents/minute if you use it.
>>>
>>> So don't use it. Activate it, make a call, then sit it in the drawer.
>>>
>>> ???

>>
>> After fixing your stuck ? key, you might want to look at the expiration
>> dates for each refill on InPulse. For six months, you have to spend a
>> minimum of $60 (two $30 cards each with a 180 day expiration).

>
>Sorry, my mistake. Two $30 cards each with a with a 90 day expiration.


It does not say you have to keep your service activate. Just
activate on inpulse, make some phone calls. Let you phone set for
six months. You are good to go.

Greg

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Old 01-29-2010, 02:20 PM
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <7sf0vpFkvoU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Greg <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> So don't use it. Activate it, make a call, then sit it in the drawer.
>>>>>
>>>>> ???
>>>> After fixing your stuck ? key, you might want to look at the expiration
>>>> dates for each refill on InPulse. For six months, you have to spend a
>>>> minimum of $60 (two $30 cards each with a 180 day expiration).
>>> Sorry, my mistake. Two $30 cards each with a with a 90 day expiration.

>> It does not say you have to keep your service activate. Just
>> activate on inpulse, make some phone calls. Let you phone set for
>> six months. You are good to go.

>
> Exactly correct.


Except it's not true.

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