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Old 05-22-2010, 04:48 PM
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Default Can you still buy bag cell phones for modern cell system?

I'm a bit frustrated with spotty coverage, drop outs,
etc in rural areas of Missouri

Is it still possible to buy/use bag cell phones of 3
watts or so to use with modern digital cell phone
systems such as Verizon or PagePlus?

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Old 05-22-2010, 10:01 PM
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Default Re: Can you still buy bag cell phones for modern cell system?

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> It wasn't a real 3 watt bagphone
>that gave AMPS such great power and range.



OK

I was hoping that there was a 3 watt equivalent bag
phone for DIGITAL services tho

Do you know why such high power phones do not exist for
car users only? Again for modern digital systems that
is.

If no such thing exists I will just forget abt bag
phone idea.

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Old 05-23-2010, 01:08 AM
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me@privacy.net wrote:
> I'm a bit frustrated with spotty coverage, drop outs,
> etc in rural areas of Missouri
>
> Is it still possible to buy/use bag cell phones of 3
> watts or so to use with modern digital cell phone
> systems such as Verizon or PagePlus?


If by "bag cell phone" you mean the old analog phones, the government
allowed the providers to shut down the analog service about 2-3 years
ago. No provider was *required* to shut down analog service so there
may be analog service available in some places. Even if you still have
analog service, you can't count on it being available for much longer;
it might be available for years or it might be shut down next month!

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Old 05-23-2010, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: Can you still buy bag cell phones for modern cell system?

On 5/22/2010 9:08 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote:
>> I'm a bit frustrated with spotty coverage, drop outs,
>> etc in rural areas of Missouri
>>
>> Is it still possible to buy/use bag cell phones of 3
>> watts or so to use with modern digital cell phone
>> systems such as Verizon or PagePlus?

>
> If by "bag cell phone" you mean the old analog phones, the government
> allowed the providers to shut down the analog service about 2-3 years
> ago. No provider was *required* to shut down analog service so there may
> be analog service available in some places. Even if you still have
> analog service, you can't count on it being available for much longer;
> it might be available for years or it might be shut down next month!


Well...

If you are looking for more power out of a digital signal than something
like this may be your only option

http://www.alternativewireless.com/c...dual-band.html


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Old 05-23-2010, 02:18 AM
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"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:

>If by "bag cell phone" you mean the old analog phones, the government
>allowed the providers to shut down the analog service about 2-3 years
>ago. No provider was *required* to shut down analog service so there
>may be analog service available in some places. Even if you still have
>analog service, you can't count on it being available for much longer;
>it might be available for years or it might be shut down next month!


NO!

Not analog bag phone..... but such a thing as DIGITAL 3
watt higher power bag phone for car use?

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Old 05-23-2010, 02:20 AM
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Alan Larsson <abuse@alstown.com> wrote:

>Well...
>
>If you are looking for more power out of a digital signal than something
>like this may be your only option
>
>http://www.alternativewireless.com/c...dual-band.html


kind of what I thought

or could just get outside mag mount antenna for current
handheld cell phones.... but some of them do not have
external antenna connections huh?

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Old 05-23-2010, 03:05 AM
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On 2010-05-23, me@privacy.net <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>If by "bag cell phone" you mean the old analog phones, the government
>>allowed the providers to shut down the analog service about 2-3 years
>>ago. No provider was *required* to shut down analog service so there
>>may be analog service available in some places. Even if you still have
>>analog service, you can't count on it being available for much longer;
>>it might be available for years or it might be shut down next month!

>
> NO!
>
> Not analog bag phone..... but such a thing as DIGITAL 3
> watt higher power bag phone for car use?


The Motorola M800 (CDMA) and M900 (GSM) can be configured
with 3 Watt amplifiers. See, e.g.

http://www.motorola3watts.com/

The problem you've got is that you having a 3W phone won't fix
much unless you have a service provider whose towers are capable
of using similar power to talk back to you, and I've not heard of
a CDMA operator in the US with base stations designed to talk to
higher power digital phones (I've seen amplified M800's on sale
in northern Ontario, Canada, so the operator there might support
them). A carrier which doesn't support the phones (and particularly
a CDMA carrier, since their customers all share the share frequencies)
may also not want you using one because of the potential for interference
with other customers.

I'd note, though, that a car kit with a good external antenna
will always improve things significantly even at normal handset
power.

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 05-23-2010, 04:59 AM
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me@privacy.net wrote in news:1j2gv55273uk1m1mg8ajsaj4qohg13imbt@4ax.com:

> I'm a bit frustrated with spotty coverage, drop outs,
> etc in rural areas of Missouri
>
> Is it still possible to buy/use bag cell phones of 3
> watts or so to use with modern digital cell phone
> systems such as Verizon or PagePlus?


Verizon no longer supports AMPS and has shut it down everywhere that I
know of. In the West, many pageplus customers report being able to
connect to small Mom N Pop rural carriers that are still AMPS only at
pageplus' cheap rates if you have an AMPS-capable phone in areas where
digital only phones say NO SERVICE. Some verizon customers so equipped
got roaming in some of them, but not on others where the little carrier
had no deal with Verizon, itself.

Motorola makes a fake bagphone that does AMPS and CDMA. I tried one on
Alltel a couple of years back but returned it when I found out it was
just the boards out of an AMPS/CDMA SC-725 handset in a bagphone box
with a handset for old-times-sake. It wasn't a real 3 watt bagphone
that gave AMPS such great power and range.

I googled "Missouri Rural Cellular Carriers" and found some info you can
get yourself:

http://rca-usa.org/press/rca-press-r...ouri-cellular-
speaks-before-senate-committee-on-obstacles-facing-small-carriers/911520

http://www.nwmcell.com/

http://www.cellreception.com/deadspo...uri/page1.html
Big list of deadspots in Missouri....

http://www.mountainwireless.com/cellmo.shtml
Missouri customer reviews...



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Larry


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Old 05-23-2010, 06:57 AM
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<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:nukgv5tbmpp4c3u5rc3p6buvn9fu00rnl8@4ax.com...
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't a real 3 watt bagphone
>>that gave AMPS such great power and range.

>
>
> OK
>
> I was hoping that there was a 3 watt equivalent bag
> phone for DIGITAL services tho
>
> Do you know why such high power phones do not exist for
> car users only? Again for modern digital systems that
> is.
>
> If no such thing exists I will just forget abt bag
> phone idea.




cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog

if you want the max, consider a combo handheld cell/sat phone, works as a
cell in cities, but if you are shipwrecked on gilligans island, works as a
sat phone
i like this one... (not sold in the us, below is the canadian link, and it
even has a vehicle kit so you can use an external antenna)


http://www.globalstar.ca/en/products...splay.php?id=1

Talk Time/Standby Time:

..In Globalstar satellite mode, the phone will sustain normal operation for
3.75 hours of talk time, 19 hours of standby time.
..In CDMA (IS-95) mode, the phone will sustain normal operation for 4.7 hours
of talk time or 75 hours of standby time.
..In AMPS (IS-41) mode, the phone will sustain normal operation for 2.8 hours
of talk time or 15 hours of standby time.



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Old 05-23-2010, 12:28 PM
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Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

>The problem you've got is that you having a 3W phone won't fix
>much unless you have a service provider whose towers are capable
>of using similar power to talk back to you, and I've not heard of
>a CDMA operator in the US with base stations designed to talk to
>higher power digital phones


ahhh yes...

sounds like just getting an external mag mount antenna
for current handheld is the best and only solution

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Old 05-23-2010, 01:21 PM
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"Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
>
>


"Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase company
profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
open spaces, like the desert West.

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Old 05-23-2010, 07:08 PM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>
> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase company
> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
> open spaces, like the desert West.
>
> --
> Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
>
> Larry
>


Same **** - different day....

Larry, how the hell would have AMPS handled the HUGE volumes of traffic that is on modern cellular systems.

IT WOULDN'T.

Cellular carriers HAD to go to digital to accommodate the exponential growth we have seen over the years.
There was no other way.

Your ad nauseum argument about "profits" is the completely false one. And it always was.



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Old 05-23-2010, 08:37 PM
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In article <Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13>, noone@home.com
says...
>
> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
> 2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
> > cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
> >
> >

>
> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase company
> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
> open spaces, like the desert West.



I pay $47 per line for three lines, unlimited voice, text, and data

No way in hell would that be possible if the carriers didn't have the
extra capacity. I'd still be paying 35-45c/minute, and would probably
have four-digit cellphone bills.

And, gee whiz, Larry, guess where I live?

In the west.

In the middle of the Mojave Desert.


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Old 05-23-2010, 09:23 PM
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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
> 2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>
>> cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
>>
>>

>
> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase
> company
> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
> open spaces, like the desert West.
>
> --
> Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
>
> Larry
>




just out of curiosity, are sat signals digital or analog? my sats (both DISH
and DIRECTV) are digital/low power/single transponder/sat, and comes from
22,000+ miles away, and i get high def from them - so it seems its feasible
to do digital/low power/long range/high fidelty


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Old 05-23-2010, 10:28 PM
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Peter Pan wrote on [Sun, 23 May 2010 17:23:32 -0400]:
> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
>> 2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>
>>> cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
>>>
>>>

>>
>> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase
>> company
>> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
>> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
>> open spaces, like the desert West.
>>
>> --
>> Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
>>
>> Larry
>>

>
>
>
> just out of curiosity, are sat signals digital or analog? my sats (both DISH
> and DIRECTV) are digital/low power/single transponder/sat, and comes from
> 22,000+ miles away, and i get high def from them - so it seems its feasible
> to do digital/low power/long range/high fidelty


What's the upstream like on that? phone calls are two way.

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On 2010-05-23, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Peter Pan wrote on [Sun, 23 May 2010 17:23:32 -0400]:
>> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>>> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
>>> 2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>
>>>> cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase
>>> company
>>> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
>>> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
>>> open spaces, like the desert West.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>

>>
>> just out of curiosity, are sat signals digital or analog? my sats (both DISH
>> and DIRECTV) are digital/low power/single transponder/sat, and comes from
>> 22,000+ miles away, and i get high def from them - so it seems its feasible
>> to do digital/low power/long range/high fidelty

>
> What's the upstream like on that? phone calls are two way.


Satellites are two way as well: up from a ground station, down to
the dish on your house. What comes down is what went up.

Dennis Ferguson

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"Dennis Ferguson" <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> On 2010-05-23, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com> wrote:
>> Peter Pan wrote on [Sun, 23 May 2010 17:23:32 -0400]:
>>> "Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9D815F471AC6Enoonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
>>>> "Peter Pan" <NotDeadYetNOSPAM@MarcAlanNOSPAM.Info> wrote in news:L-
>>>> 2dnVfLP8lyTGXWnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@earthlink.com:
>>>>
>>>>> cause digital is a lot more efficient than analog
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Efficient" as in putting multiple users on a frequency to increase
>>>> company
>>>> profits, true. "Efficient" as to increased range and fidelity to the
>>>> users, false. Digital takes too many cells to be efficient in the wide
>>>> open spaces, like the desert West.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> just out of curiosity, are sat signals digital or analog? my sats (both
>>> DISH
>>> and DIRECTV) are digital/low power/single transponder/sat, and comes
>>> from
>>> 22,000+ miles away, and i get high def from them - so it seems its
>>> feasible
>>> to do digital/low power/long range/high fidelty

>>
>> What's the upstream like on that? phone calls are two way.

>
> Satellites are two way as well: up from a ground station, down to
> the dish on your house. What comes down is what went up.
>
> Dennis Ferguson




not too mention i had two way sat internet at one time (directway- hughes
satellite A few years back, just not current, used it with my motorhome) did
use a portable handheld sat phone in alaska, wonder if that was digital or
not, and that transmitted 22,000+ miles to a sat and did two way voice and
didn't need a whole lot of power...


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Old 05-24-2010, 08:06 AM
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At 23 May 2010 22:46:54 -0400 Peter Pan wrote:

> > Satellites are two way as well: up from a ground station, down to
> > the dish on your house. What comes down is what went up.
> >
> > Dennis Ferguson

>
>
>
> not too mention i had two way sat internet at one time (directway-
> hughes satellite A few years back, just not current, used it with my
> motorhome) did use a portable handheld sat phone in alaska, wonder if
> that was digital or not, and that transmitted 22,000+ miles to a sat
> and did two way voice and didn't need a whole lot of power...



It was digital, but it didn't transmit 22000 miles. Sat phones use LEO
(Low Earth Orbiting) satellites 100 miles or so up, not geostationary
birds like satellite TV use. The 22000 mile orbit isn't arbitrary- it's
the distance from earth that satellites take 24 hours to complete an orbit,
making them appear stationary from our ground perspective. GPS and sat
phone satellites orbit much lower, and circle the earth in much shorter
periods.



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Default Yes you can.

Hey guys quit jacking him around.
He just wants to hear Motorola M900 automobile or bag model.
Been around over 10 years.
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