"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
>
>>Illegal in the US.
>
> So? They work!
You block my effort to call 911, or block an incoming emergency call from my
elderly parents and I'll sue your ass.
I would report you to the FCC too, but they would probably ignore me.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
>Illegal in the US.
Yes but widely used, especially by restaurant owners in NYC.
I frankly like that fact that if someone in a restaurant absolutely
has to make a phone call, they must excuse themselves to the bar or go
outside. It fosters a desirable form of etiquette.
On 2008-04-22, Agent_C <Agent-C-hates-spam@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>>Illegal in the US.
>
> Yes but widely used, especially by restaurant owners in NYC.
If you post that you're blocking calls, fine. If I had an emergency and
couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
died as a result, I wouldn't be suing, I'd be filing a police report, and
hopefully getting people thrown in jail.
> I frankly like that fact that if someone in a restaurant absolutely
> has to make a phone call, they must excuse themselves to the bar or go
> outside. It fosters a desirable form of etiquette.
Cubit wrote:
> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
> news:nstr04h2mf7rn3ip9ecg1fdqj5k13he53g@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
>>
>>> Illegal in the US.
>> So? They work!
>
> You block my effort to call 911, or block an incoming emergency call from my
> elderly parents and I'll sue your ass.
>
> I would report you to the FCC too, but they would probably ignore me.
>
>
But what can we do about the self centered people who just don't have a
clue how annoying it is to here a stupid ringtone blaring and have them
answer in a movie theater or engage in a loud conversation in a restaurant?
I think private businesses should have the right to install jammers and
I would patronize those that did so I could enjoy going out. I think
about the only requirement should be that they give reasonable
notification such as a sign on the entry door etc.
George <george@nospam.invalid> amazed us all with the following in
news:nZOdnTncata57ZPVnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@comcast.com:
> Cubit wrote:
>> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
>> news:nstr04h2mf7rn3ip9ecg1fdqj5k13he53g@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Illegal in the US.
>>> So? They work!
>>
>> You block my effort to call 911, or block an incoming emergency call
>> from my elderly parents and I'll sue your ass.
>>
>> I would report you to the FCC too, but they would probably ignore me.
>>
>>
> But what can we do about the self centered people who just don't have
> a clue how annoying it is to here a stupid ringtone blaring and have
> them answer in a movie theater or engage in a loud conversation in a
> restaurant?
And how is that any more obnoxious than the screaming kids, people talking
loudly at a table or the morons that insist on talking through an entire
movie?
>
> I think private businesses should have the right to install jammers
> and I would patronize those that did so I could enjoy going out.
They do have the ability and right to install passive blocking.
> I
> think about the only requirement should be that they give reasonable
> notification such as a sign on the entry door etc.
>
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:09:24 -0400, George <george@nospam.invalid>
wrote:
>Cubit wrote:
>> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
>> news:nstr04h2mf7rn3ip9ecg1fdqj5k13he53g@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Illegal in the US.
>>> So? They work!
>>
>> You block my effort to call 911, or block an incoming emergency call from my
>> elderly parents and I'll sue your ass.
>>
>> I would report you to the FCC too, but they would probably ignore me.
>>
>>
>But what can we do about the self centered people who just don't have a
>clue how annoying it is to here a stupid ringtone blaring and have them
>answer in a movie theater or engage in a loud conversation in a restaurant?
You have the right to complain to management, and being private
property, management has the right to eject them for their behavior.
>I think private businesses should have the right to install jammers and
>I would patronize those that did so I could enjoy going out. I think
>about the only requirement should be that they give reasonable
>notification such as a sign on the entry door etc.
While I understand the sentiments of those who favor jamming, it gives
rise to little airways Nazis running around interfering with what
could be urgent and necessary communications for no other reason than
they could.
Per Steve Sobol:
>If I had an emergency and
>couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
>died as a result, I wouldn't be suing,
But who would one sue? i.e. The person using the jammer is most
likely concealing it.
--
PeteCresswell
On 2008-04-22, (PeteCresswell) <x@y.Invalid> wrote:
> Per Steve Sobol:
>>If I had an emergency and
>>couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
>>died as a result, I wouldn't be suing,
>
> But who would one sue? i.e. The person using the jammer is most
> likely concealing it.
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
news:Xns9A88B0E232145bob@216.196.97.136:
> And how is that any more obnoxious than the screaming kids, people
> talking loudly at a table or the morons that insist on talking through
> an entire movie?
>
>
.....or some old phart watching some movie on his Linux tablet that comes
out in the theatres 2 weeks from Friday.....(c;
"What movie is that?"....(casually mention movie title)...."How did you get
that? It doesn't come out in the theatres until a week from
Friday!"..."No, it came out last week on Efnet. You musta missed it."
(Movie switches scene to noisy space battle going on with the animals who
replaced the Klingons. Screen explodes in yellows and oranges as whole
planet explodes behind massive new beam weapon ship the size of
Pennsylvania.)
What's also fun is to leave the Arabic audio running, even though you're
reading the subtitles from the .sub and .idx files with the DivX.
I gained two kids who wanted to watch the Bugs Bunny cartoons I was having
with breakfast. As their parents finished and got up, their mother says,
"We're leaving now. Bring them around to (address) after the movie or when
you've had enough of them.".....(c;
"Is that an Iphone?", the curvy young blonde in the equally-curvy Mudd
stretch jeans asks.......as your imagination runs into wild fantasy
mode....(c; Who cares.....
Cubit wrote:
> "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
> news:nstr04h2mf7rn3ip9ecg1fdqj5k13he53g@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:26:16 GMT, Strongbox <strongbox@no.mail> wrote:
>>
>>> Illegal in the US.
>> So? They work!
>
> You block my effort to call 911, or block an incoming emergency call from my
> elderly parents and I'll sue your ass.
This already happens in a lot of venues via the use of conductive paint
that shields the room. It's really just a question of active versus
passive blocking. The former is illegal in the U.S., the latter is not.
And of course you'd have no idea who is doing the blocking, or even if
blocking is being done at all.
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:HIHPj.6218$GO4.4293
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
> This already happens in a lot of venues via the use of conductive paint
> that shields the room.
They must have this kind of paint effective on only the A band 800 Mhz at
WalMart in the Oakbrook Shopping District of Summerville, SC. When you
walk into Walmart with a Verizon phone, about 8 ft inside the front door,
the phone searches briefly for Verizon then says NO SERVICE for the whole
rest of the time you're in WalMart! Other carriers are unaffected. Sprint
on PCS has 4 bars, Alltel on 800 B system is full scale! Only VZW has NO
SERVICE.
I like to hang out there on Saturdays to pay my Alltel bill if I have
nothing better to do. I carry Alltel referral cards from the guys in the
office all filled out with my Alltel info on the back as referrer, then
when I see someone angry at their NO SERVICE phone, I simply offer to let
them make their call to anyone on Alltel over my Z6m. After they've handed
my phone back, they usually ask what service it's on and I tell them it's
Alltel's 700 minutes for $39/mo. Of course, they pay LOTS more for half as
many nationwide minutes they can't use in WalMart and that's my opportunity
to press my finder's card into their sweaty hands. "Here. Take this card
to the Alltel office by the Coliseum where you turn to go to the other
SuperWalmart and they'll make you a good deal on a new phone on Alltel that
works around here."
If I weren't so lazy, I would be in sales.....(c;
I've even met some of my referrees who've offered to let me make a call on
THEIR phones to pay me back....(c;
Larry wrote:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:HIHPj.6218$GO4.4293
> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> This already happens in a lot of venues via the use of conductive paint
>> that shields the room.
>
> They must have this kind of paint effective on only the A band 800 Mhz at
> WalMart in the Oakbrook Shopping District of Summerville, SC. When you
> walk into Walmart with a Verizon phone, about 8 ft inside the front door,
> the phone searches briefly for Verizon then says NO SERVICE for the whole
> rest of the time you're in WalMart! Other carriers are unaffected. Sprint
> on PCS has 4 bars, Alltel on 800 B system is full scale! Only VZW has NO
> SERVICE.
>
> I like to hang out there on Saturdays to pay my Alltel bill if I have
> nothing better to do.
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
<sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>If you post that you're blocking calls, fine. If I had an emergency and
>couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
>died as a result, I wouldn't be suing, I'd be filing a police report, and
>hopefully getting people thrown in jail.
The police would ignore you and you'd have the weakest legal case
imaginable. No way you could prove any of those assertions.
And since when does any cellular provider guarantee, or even claim,
you'll have service indoors?
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:41:04 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>Larry wrote:
>> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:HIHPj.6218$GO4.4293
>> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>>> This already happens in a lot of venues via the use of conductive paint
>>> that shields the room.
>>
>> They must have this kind of paint effective on only the A band 800 Mhz at
>> WalMart in the Oakbrook Shopping District of Summerville, SC. When you
>> walk into Walmart with a Verizon phone, about 8 ft inside the front door,
>> the phone searches briefly for Verizon then says NO SERVICE for the whole
>> rest of the time you're in WalMart! Other carriers are unaffected. Sprint
>> on PCS has 4 bars, Alltel on 800 B system is full scale! Only VZW has NO
>> SERVICE.
>>
>> I like to hang out there on Saturdays to pay my Alltel bill if I have
>> nothing better to do.
>
>Not sure whether to laugh of cry.
Why not both? And did you catch his bit about the two kids watching
cartoons with him while eating breakfast and the parents left them
with him to drop off later? If I weren't so sure he was making all of
it up, I'd think we'd have a child molester grooming potential
victims.
On 2008-04-23, The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
> Why not both? And did you catch his bit about the two kids watching
> cartoons with him while eating breakfast and the parents left them
> with him to drop off later? If I weren't so sure he was making all of
> it up, I'd think we'd have a child molester grooming potential
> victims.
You'd think, the way he talks about ogling curvy teenage girls.
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:HIHPj.6218$GO4.4293
> @newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> This already happens in a lot of venues via the use of conductive paint
>> that shields the room.
>
> They must have this kind of paint effective on only the A band 800 Mhz at
> WalMart in the Oakbrook Shopping District of Summerville, SC. When you
> walk into Walmart with a Verizon phone, about 8 ft inside the front door,
> the phone searches briefly for Verizon then says NO SERVICE for the whole
> rest of the time you're in WalMart! Other carriers are unaffected. Sprint
> on PCS has 4 bars, Alltel on 800 B system is full scale! Only VZW has NO
> SERVICE.
>
> I like to hang out there on Saturdays to pay my Alltel bill if I have
> nothing better to do. I carry Alltel referral cards from the guys in the
> office all filled out with my Alltel info on the back as referrer, then
> when I see someone angry at their NO SERVICE phone, I simply offer to let
> them make their call to anyone on Alltel over my Z6m. After they've handed
> my phone back, they usually ask what service it's on and I tell them it's
> Alltel's 700 minutes for $39/mo. Of course, they pay LOTS more for half as
> many nationwide minutes they can't use in WalMart and that's my opportunity
> to press my finder's card into their sweaty hands. "Here. Take this card
> to the Alltel office by the Coliseum where you turn to go to the other
> SuperWalmart and they'll make you a good deal on a new phone on Alltel that
> works around here."
>
> If I weren't so lazy, I would be in sales.....(c;
>
> I've even met some of my referrees who've offered to let me make a call on
> THEIR phones to pay me back....(c;
>
> Thank you, Verizon!
Dammit Larry! Stop teasing those of us who can't get Alltel service where
we live!
On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:43:32 -0400, Agent_C wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
> <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
>
>>If you post that you're blocking calls, fine. If I had an emergency and
>>couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
>>died as a result, I wouldn't be suing, I'd be filing a police report, and
>>hopefully getting people thrown in jail.
>
> The police would ignore you and you'd have the weakest legal case
> imaginable. No way you could prove any of those assertions.
>
> And since when does any cellular provider guarantee, or even claim,
> you'll have service indoors?
>
> A_C
That's not the point. The issue is if service is available normally at a
location but is blocked by a jammer. I would think places of business
would put themselves at serious risk if they were caught using them.
According to the US 1934 Communications Act, only the federal government has
the right to interfere with radio frequency communication (military, etc.).
Some jamming manufacturers are challanging this, but at this time it is
HIGHLY illegal to jam any radio transmission, whether it be commercial or
cell phone.
FInes can be up to $10,000 per day of the infraction.
Per CellGuy:
> I would think places of business
>would put themselves at serious risk if they were caught using them.
>
>According to the US 1934 Communications Act, only the federal government has
>the right to interfere with radio frequency communication (military, etc.).
>Some jamming manufacturers are challanging this, but at this time it is
>HIGHLY illegal to jam any radio transmission, whether it be commercial or
>cell phone.
I guess that it still comes down to active vs passive jamming
then.
If not, maybe I can call the law down on my employer bc tMob's
signal can't make it into their building.
--
PeteCresswell
"CellGuy" <cellguy@seemessagebody.com> wrote in message
news:49129djfbbci.1ibmz11v49py7$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:43:32 -0400, Agent_C wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:09:07 +0000 (UTC), Steve Sobol
> > <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
> >>If you post that you're blocking calls, fine. If I had an emergency and
> >>couldn't call 911 from my cell phone, and someone got seriously hurt or
> >>died as a result, I wouldn't be suing, I'd be filing a police report,
and
> >>hopefully getting people thrown in jail.
> >
> > The police would ignore you and you'd have the weakest legal case
> > imaginable. No way you could prove any of those assertions.
> >
> > And since when does any cellular provider guarantee, or even claim,
> > you'll have service indoors?
> >
> > A_C
>
> That's not the point. The issue is if service is available normally at a
> location but is blocked by a jammer. I would think places of business
> would put themselves at serious risk if they were caught using them.
>
> According to the US 1934 Communications Act, only the federal government
has
> the right to interfere with radio frequency communication (military,
etc.).
> Some jamming manufacturers are challanging this, but at this time it is
> HIGHLY illegal to jam any radio transmission, whether it be commercial or
> cell phone.
>
> FInes can be up to $10,000 per day of the infraction.
Actually, interference with emergency communications is a standard $25,000
fine.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <fuugpk$3im$1@snarked.org>,
> "D. Stussy" <spam@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>
>> Actually, interference with emergency communications is a standard $25,000
>> fine.
>
> Since when is cell phone jamming "interfering with emergency
> communications"?
>
> I would say that the cell phone companies would be paying out hundreds
> of $25,000 fines daily, based on their inability to make and hold usable
> connections.
When it comes to causing interference, the FCC makes no distinction of
the type of communications affected.
Section 333 of the Act, 47 U.S.C. § 333, which states that "no person
shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to
any radio communications of any station licensed or authorized by or
under this Act or operated by the United States Government.''
"Their inability to make and hold usable connections" would not be
considered intentional or willfull (in the sense they fully well knew
it was causing interference) or willfull (in the sense that they were
notified of causing interference, but failed to remedy the problem).
With cellphone jammers, there doesn't even have to be any interference
as the mere sale or advertising of such non-certified devices is not
legal.
"No person shall sell or lease, or offer for sale or lease (including
advertising for sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the
purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any radio
frequency device unless ... [i]n the case of a device subject to
certification, such device has been authorized by the Commission."
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <3%FQj.654$1b7.299@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net>,
>> When it comes to causing interference, the FCC makes no distinction of
>> the type of communications affected.
>
> The FCC has no authority over my shouting out into the air.
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Happens every day. The cell phone companies know damn well where they
> have signal and where they have problems, and they evaluate the cost of
> fixing the problems against any resultant revenue increase.
Happens every day. They call it "rate of diminishing return".
> Like I said, the cell companies would be fined hundreds of these fines
> daily.
IF..IF there was some sort of FCC law that allowed that. But there isn't
and so they aren't.
> Maybe I can make that my life's work. What do you suppose would happen
> if I discovered even one incident where someone died because the phone
> didn't work, and there was cell company documentation talking about
> their decision not to fix that particular black hole in their coverage?
Who mandated that any cellular provider guarantees coverage
anywhere? What if that black hole was the result of NIMBY opposition
to any towers?
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