Cellular and Wi-Fi, a perfect marriage? What about VoIP?

Coming soon to the USA?

T-Mobile bundles Wi-Fi with Web 'n Walk
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/09/t_mobile_bundling_wi_fi/>

T-Mobile customers signing up to Web 'n Walk Plus (or Max) will get
free access to the operator's 39,000 hot spots from January. So for
£12.50 a month users can get 3G and Wi-Fi connectivity, and be
allowed to use instant messaging too...

Web 'n Walk is already one of the more attractive options for users
wanting mobile internet access, though usage restrictions on the
basic service limit it to general web browsing. The Plus, and Max,
services offer a higher fair-use level and permission to use instant
messaging and such like. Charging users again for T-Mobile-branded
Wi-Fi access always seemed harsh, even if it comes with truly
unlimited quantities of data.

Of course, 3G networks are expensive to run, and moving punters onto
Wi-Fi with cheap back-haul (over ADSL lines) should save T-Mobile
money. But that's only true if the users would have been using their
data connections anyway, so offering it as an addition to Web 'n Walk
makes sense.

Users get faster connections, while T-Mobile saves money - the
wonders that convergence can bring! As long as punters don't start
using the service for VoIP - that would still be against the terms
and conditions.

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John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:u3eao39a5s536np0u34sinsup841kd9lta@4ax.com:

> Coming soon to the USA?
>

Not if SELLular can stop it. Their political hacks in the FCC, holding
their fingers on all the switches, will do everything in their power to
make SURE your wifi never reaches the other end of the house.

Europe is covered with SELLphone REPEATERS to fill in the gaping holes
Americans take for granted. That was very successfully squashed in the USA
for decades, now. Same idea.

SELLphone companies want to go back to selling bandwidth by the byte....you
know, like SMS messages. 15c/156 character message = $961,538.46/gigabyte,
the most expensive bandwidth on the PLANET! I bet that costs more than
sending data to Voyager 1!

Larry
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Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:54:06 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9A21A34ECA14noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:u3eao39a5s536np0u34sinsup841kd9lta@4ax.com :
>
>> Coming soon to the USA?
>
>Not if SELLular can stop it. Their political hacks in the FCC, holding
>their fingers on all the switches, will do everything in their power to
>make SURE your wifi never reaches the other end of the house.

In what way? I see nothing like that from the FCC.

>Europe is covered with SELLphone REPEATERS to fill in the gaping holes
>Americans take for granted. That was very successfully squashed in the USA
>for decades, now. Same idea.

Not really -- the big differences are (a) single government-mandated
standard and (b) much smaller geography.

>SELLphone companies want to go back to selling bandwidth by the byte....you
>know, like SMS messages. 15c/156 character message = $961,538.46/gigabyte,
>the most expensive bandwidth on the PLANET! I bet that costs more than
>sending data to Voyager 1!

You would be wrong, but that's not the point, which is that packages are
much more efficient than pay-as-you-go.

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Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>

John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:v1gbo3pptdibar3f07pu1ki1jk9cukug0o@4ax.com:

> In what way? I see nothing like that from the FCC.
>

Of course you don't, John. You don't see what's going on at DoD or the
FED, either. SELLular has fought to stop wifi from ever taking place as it
threatens its business cash cow for many years. This nonsense is why Japan
has always lead in wifi implementation.



Larry
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As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
917C50.05440110012008@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> In article <Xns9A21A34ECA14noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > Coming soon to the USA?
>> >
>>
>> Not if SELLular can stop it.
>
> You disparage the wireless carriers and their users every time you write
> the word "SELLular", yet you yourself have thrown yourself into the ring
> voluntarily as a victim to this disease by paying for wireless service.
>
> You do know that you're showing yourself to be the same asshole as you
> declare the rest of the world to be, right?
>
>

And you must defend the undefensible at every turn. If that doesn't work,
you call them asshole.

Larry
--
As the price of Monopoly money rises, at some point it will equal
Federal Reserve Private Bank fake banknotes in value!

Larry wrote:
> I bet that costs more than sending data to Voyager 1!
>
Are you referring to the spaceship or the new LG phone??? ;-) It seems
that data sent to either is expensive these days.

Btw, I agree with these guys that the SELL thing, while homonyphically
clever at first, is overplayed at this point.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:26:45 +0000, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in
<Xns9A2157510AA17noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>:

>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>news:v1gbo3pptdibar3f07pu1ki1jk9cukug0o@4ax.com :
>
>> In what way? I see nothing like that from the FCC.
>
>Of course you don't, John. You don't see what's going on at DoD or the
>FED, either. SELLular has fought to stop wifi from ever taking place as it
>threatens its business cash cow for many years. This nonsense is why Japan
>has always lead in wifi implementation.

Sorry, but I see no real evidence of any of that.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

> You do know that you're showing yourself to be the same asshole as you
> declare the rest of the world to be, right?

And he makes an ass of himself in other newsgroups too. It's pathetic.

I'll vote "ass...."



"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-90F78E.12095310012008@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Xns9A21577D7143Cnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > You do know that you're showing yourself to be the same asshole as you
>> > declare the rest of the world to be, right?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> And you must defend the undefensible at every turn.
>
> That your use of your own made up term "SELLular" (sic) shows you to be
> the same asshole that you declare the rest of the world to be, is
> indefensible?
>
> Well. Let's take a vote, shall we?
>

> Coming soon to the USA?
>
> T-Mobile bundles Wi-Fi with Web 'n Walk
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/09/t_mobile_bundling_wi_fi/>
>
> T-Mobile customers signing up to Web 'n Walk Plus (or Max) will get
> free access to the operator's 39,000 hot spots from January. So for
> £12.50 a month users can get 3G and Wi-Fi connectivity, and be
> allowed to use instant messaging too...
>
> Web 'n Walk is already one of the more attractive options for users
> wanting mobile internet access, though usage restrictions on the
> basic service limit it to general web browsing. The Plus, and Max,
> services offer a higher fair-use level and permission to use instant
> messaging and such like. Charging users again for T-Mobile-branded
> Wi-Fi access always seemed harsh, even if it comes with truly
> unlimited quantities of data.

It's possible to call from a wifi-enabled cellphone to another phone
without even using a carrier or even a SIM card. Check out the youtube
demo at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPPrKUKkc8Q which shows how you
can use Fring software http://www.fring.com on your wifi phone to make
calls using any wifi connection. The calls are free between Fring users.
Calling costs vary if you're calling a cell or landline phone, depending
on your VOIP's outbound calling plan. Fring supports VOIP through SIP,
Yahoo, MSN, Skype, GoogleTalk, among others.

I'm not sure if using Fring through T-mobile's wifi connection will
offer the same savings if one uses it with a cheap VOIP plan, or if the
calls will count against your minutes.