I currently have a nationwide calling plan for $39 a month plus a $25 a
month 5MB data allowance.
However, I see the new voice & data plans start at $79 a month and that the
plan includes "Data Access for Email."
Can somebody tell me what this means exactly? Does this mean "unlimited"
data or that they'll charge you 1.5 cents per KB as they used to?
I haven't been able to find any mention of exactly how much data is included
in this plan. Or are all the voice & data plans unlimited data these days?
"Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
news:ckimj.4409$GS1.1990@newsfe11.phx:
> Another question:
>
> I currently have a nationwide calling plan for $39 a month plus a $25
> a month 5MB data allowance.
Wrong company. Is Alltel a choice where you live? I pay $39 for 800
mins/mo on a regional, not national plan with few minutes. $25 more buys
unlimiited data to this Nokia N800 internet tablet using my $50 MotoROKR
Z6m as a BT modem when wifi isn't available. I'm using remote desktop to
my XP at home over Alltel typing this from a Hardee's breakfast biscuiit.
Alltel never complains that I use too much data streaming radio and Skype
all day. Verizon only allows email and webspam. They got sued by the
Attorney General of NY State and had to remove "unlimited" from their
5GB/mo email/web browser service. Look at the new brochures.
>
> However, I see the new voice & data plans start at $79 a month and
> that the plan includes "Data Access for Email."
Yep. That's all VZW offers.
>
> Can somebody tell me what this means exactly? Does this mean
> "unlimited" data or that they'll charge you 1.5 cents per KB as they
> used to?
To a PDA phone or laptop aircard, they all play the over-double price
game, Alltel, too. If you only want internet data, delivered either over
USB or Bluetooth links to your external computer, like this tablet, it's
cheaper. Alltel sells 1X 110kbps speed for $10 extra, EVDO 800kbps for
$25. Using your own device also stops the SELLphone game, turning off
features and trying to sell it back to you, by the month if they think
they can.
>
> I haven't been able to find any mention of exactly how much data is
> included in this plan. Or are all the voice & data plans unlimited
> data these days?
It's theere, but buried in the AUP lawyerspeak. 5 gb/mo.
> Thx again!
>
>
>
Dump 'em if you can. VZW prices are too high for what little is allowed.
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A306E8F3921noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
> news:ckimj.4409$GS1.1990@newsfe11.phx:
>
>> Another question:
>>
>> I currently have a nationwide calling plan for $39 a month plus a $25
>> a month 5MB data allowance.
>
> Wrong company. Is Alltel a choice where you live? I pay $39 for 800
> mins/mo on a regional, not national plan with few minutes. $25 more buys
> unlimiited data to this Nokia N800 internet tablet using my $50 MotoROKR
> Z6m as a BT modem when wifi isn't available. I'm using remote desktop to
> my XP at home over Alltel typing this from a Hardee's breakfast biscuiit.
> Alltel never complains that I use too much data streaming radio and Skype
> all day. Verizon only allows email and webspam. They got sued by the
> Attorney General of NY State and had to remove "unlimited" from their
> 5GB/mo email/web browser service. Look at the new brochures.
>>
>> However, I see the new voice & data plans start at $79 a month and
>> that the plan includes "Data Access for Email."
>
> Yep. That's all VZW offers.
>
>>
>> Can somebody tell me what this means exactly? Does this mean
>> "unlimited" data or that they'll charge you 1.5 cents per KB as they
>> used to?
>
> To a PDA phone or laptop aircard, they all play the over-double price
> game, Alltel, too. If you only want internet data, delivered either over
> USB or Bluetooth links to your external computer, like this tablet, it's
> cheaper. Alltel sells 1X 110kbps speed for $10 extra, EVDO 800kbps for
> $25. Using your own device also stops the SELLphone game, turning off
> features and trying to sell it back to you, by the month if they think
> they can.
>>
>> I haven't been able to find any mention of exactly how much data is
>> included in this plan. Or are all the voice & data plans unlimited
>> data these days?
>
> It's theere, but buried in the AUP lawyerspeak. 5 gb/mo.
>
>> Thx again!
>>
>>
>>
> Dump 'em if you can. VZW prices are too high for what little is allowed.
>
I have a friend that works at a Comm Shop and he's a Sprint Rep. Even
though
I have Verizon phone service, their data plans are too high. He got me a
FREE data
card and UNLIMITED internet access for $45 a month.
And I mean UNLIMITED. I have a laptop mounted in my truck and I have that
thing
on all the time checking my mail, managing my Ebay accounts, webcasting full
time
over the internet as I'm driving down the street, downloading music, videos
and files, etc.
Friends in my Yahoo circle can watch me in real time as I drive thru the
city. It's a blast
and should have gotten this a long time ago. I don't mind splitting my
services like this.
Whoever has the best plan, WINS.
PS: He said that it can be done for anyone anywhere there is Sprint
service. This is
for NEW ACTIVATIONS ONLY. If you want to call him with questions
about
this offer, email me at radact@juno.com and I'll give you his
info.
Juan wrote:
> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A306E8F3921noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
>
> I have a friend that works at a Comm Shop and he's a Sprint Rep. Even
> though
> I have Verizon phone service, their data plans are too high. He got
> me a FREE data
> card and UNLIMITED internet access for $45 a month.
>
> And I mean UNLIMITED.
I'm not sure I get this. I have unlimited data/internet access too, but with
Verizon, and it also cost me $45/month. I have a Blackberry device and a
data plan was required, but $45 is the rate for unlimited use.
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:479b0411$0$6356$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> Juan wrote:
>> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A306E8F3921noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>>> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
>>
>> I have a friend that works at a Comm Shop and he's a Sprint Rep. Even
>> though
>> I have Verizon phone service, their data plans are too high. He got
>> me a FREE data
>> card and UNLIMITED internet access for $45 a month.
>>
>> And I mean UNLIMITED.
> I'm not sure I get this. I have unlimited data/internet access too, but
> with
> Verizon, and it also cost me $45/month. I have a Blackberry device and a
> data plan was required, but $45 is the rate for unlimited use.
>
> Are we talking different things here?
>
>
>
So is yours $45 for the calling plan and data or is it in addition to the
calling plan?
I have Verizon Family Share and wanted data and they said it would be $60 a
month extra.
Am I missing something? I can deal with $45 extra but not $60. I was
wanting my wife who
works two jobs, by choice, to be able to get her mail on the go. As now she
has to wait to get
home to read them and usually has hundreds of unread emails.
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:479b0411$0$6356$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> Juan wrote:
>> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A306E8F3921noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>>> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
>>
>> I have a friend that works at a Comm Shop and he's a Sprint Rep.
>> Even though
>> I have Verizon phone service, their data plans are too high. He got
>> me a FREE data
>> card and UNLIMITED internet access for $45 a month.
>>
>> And I mean UNLIMITED.
> I'm not sure I get this. I have unlimited data/internet access too,
> but with Verizon, and it also cost me $45/month. I have a Blackberry
> device and a data plan was required, but $45 is the rate for unlimited
> use.
>
> Are we talking different things here?
>
>
A blackberry is in no danger of bumping VZW's 5GB/mo limit, as you have
little storage, no massive download capabilities. But, alas, VZW no
longer can call it "unlimited" in a very expensive agreement with the New
York Attorney General who blew the lid off the scam. If you had a real
computer connected to VZW doing things other than email and spambrowsing,
you'd soon find out.
They used to dump so-called "abusers", but were on the verge of heading
back to court for more punishment, so changed it to a forced slowdown
over 5GB.
> They used to dump so-called "abusers", but were on the verge of heading
> back to court for more punishment, so changed it to a forced slowdown
> over 5GB.
I'd be interested in reading more about this.. do you have any news stories
or court opinions or anything like that to point me to?
"Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
news:4C_mj.1696$4H1.1118@newsfe07.phx:
>> They used to dump so-called "abusers", but were on the verge of
>> heading back to court for more punishment, so changed it to a forced
>> slowdown over 5GB.
>
> I'd be interested in reading more about this.. do you have any news
> stories or court opinions or anything like that to point me to?
>
> Thx!
>
>
>
>
Verizon sued by NY Attorney General
Plug that line into google and get 10,300 hits. Help yourself. Have you
ever used Google to find anything?
Juan wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:479b0411$0$6356$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>> Juan wrote:
>>> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns9A306E8F3921noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>>>> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
>>>
>>> I have a friend that works at a Comm Shop and he's a Sprint Rep. Even
>>> though
>>> I have Verizon phone service, their data plans are too high. He got
>>> me a FREE data
>>> card and UNLIMITED internet access for $45 a month.
>>>
>>> And I mean UNLIMITED.
>> I'm not sure I get this. I have unlimited data/internet access too,
>> but with
>> Verizon, and it also cost me $45/month. I have a Blackberry device
>> and a data plan was required, but $45 is the rate for unlimited use.
>>
>> Are we talking different things here?
>>
>>
>>
> So is yours $45 for the calling plan and data or is it in addition to
> the calling plan?
>
> I have Verizon Family Share and wanted data and they said it would be
> $60 a month extra.
> Am I missing something? I can deal with $45 extra but not $60. I
> was wanting my wife who
> works two jobs, by choice, to be able to get her mail on the go. As
> now she has to wait to get
> home to read them and usually has hundreds of unread emails.
>
> Any and all info you can give would be great.
>
I have the Family Share Plan. I pay $45/month for what was termed "unlimited
data" by Verizon just 1 month ago. I'm qualifying this because of Larry's
related posts in this thread, of which I had heard of before (from Larry,
btw), but have not been informed of by Vz or any other reliable source. No
disrespect to Larry intended, who generally knows what he's talking about,
but his assertions do need some verification.
That said, allow me to clarify that the $45 is in addition to the voice
calling part of the plan and that the privelege is extended to my phone
only, and not to the other phones on the family share plan. Perhaps the $60
you're referring to extends it to all the phones in your plan. I can't speak
on that. But, to me, this is no different than that my son's phone has a
text messaging service for $9.95/mo which does not extend to my phone. I
rarely text message. He does all the time.
larry wrote:
> "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in
> news:4C_mj.1696$4H1.1118@newsfe07.phx:
>
>>> They used to dump so-called "abusers", but were on the verge of
>>> heading back to court for more punishment, so changed it to a forced
>>> slowdown over 5GB.
>>
>> I'd be interested in reading more about this.. do you have any news
>> stories or court opinions or anything like that to point me to?
>>
>> Thx!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Verizon sued by NY Attorney General
>
> Plug that line into google and get 10,300 hits. Help yourself. Have
> you ever used Google to find anything?
>
> http://www.google.com/
>
While I don't want to be mistaken for being on Verizon's "side" (I'm not: I
just dumped Vz for cable phone service and have refused to renew my wireless
contract because I'm waiting to jump ship there too), there is more to this
issue than meets the eye. Sometimes, consumers can find ways to pervert the
original purpose of an idea. They often do, and to their own, and others
demise. I bought my Blackberry, and my unlimited data service, so that I can
browse the web through my BB, check my email, etc., both as convenience
tools for myself, the intent of which I believe was also Verizon's original
plan.
I suppose they didn't count on jerks who would try to beat the system, drop
their regular ISPs to save money, and hook their desktop and laptop
computers up to their cell phones and try to stay online 24/7 downloading
high bandwidth music and movies.
You're right, perhaps Vz should have foreseen this and worded their
contracts accordingly, after all, "unlimited" is "unlimited", isn't it? But
common, gimmee a break. That was never the intent of the system. Some people
are just abusers. Those abusers eventually ruin things for everyone. Score
one for them here as well.
Slide down into the legalese window titled "Calling Plan Information"
then slide down inside the window where it says:
"If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve
the right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would
otherwise exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps.
These speeds are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in
order to address network issues. In order to assess your usage, you may
obtain information about your usage during a particular billing period,
including during the Return Period under your Worry Free Guarantee,
through My Account or by contacting Customer Service. These Data Plans
or Features are for individual use only and not for resale."
It used to say they'd cut you off until very recently. I suppose their
lawyers figured they were gonna get sacked, again....
Of course, where it says what's specifically prohibited might be of
interest. It includes everything they can think of except EMAIL and WEB
BROWSING:
"DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by
your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not uses
intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited. Examples
of prohibited uses include the following: (i) server devices or host
computer applications, including, but not limited to, continuous Web
camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-
machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing; (ii) as a
substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections;
(iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual
routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which
disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (iv) "spam" or
unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have the effect
of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited bulk email);
(v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or
systems to use either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties'
Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks
against another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or
attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to
penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of Verizon
Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or (vii) software or
other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when
a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive"
functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' data retry
requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means, by way
of example only, that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P file-
sharing services, web broadcasting, or for the operation of servers,
telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition
devices is prohibited. "
No streaming, no VoIP like Skype, no servers of any kind, no
substituting Verizon SELLphone data for home internet service, no file
downloading, no file uploading, no file sharing, no broadcasting from
your webcam......only Email and Spambrowsing.
Nothing "unlimited" about it....at all.
Does anyone know what's so special about customers in Connecticut?
There's a new paragraph that says:
"Connecticut Customers: If you have any questions about your bill or
concerns about your service, please call Customer Care at: 1-800-922-
0204 or dial *611 from your wireless phone. If you are a Connecticut
customer and we cannot resolve your issue, you have the option of
contacting the Department of Public Utility Control (DPUC): Online: www.state.ct.us/dpuc Phone: 866-381-2355; Mail: Connecticut DPUC, 10
Franklin Square, New Britain, CT 06051."
Is there some kind of new agreement with CT we haven't read about,
nationally?
Is SELLphone service considered a "public utility" in CT? It should be
everywhere.....(c;
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:479d4f18$0$25058$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> You're right, perhaps Vz should have foreseen this and worded their
> contracts accordingly, after all, "unlimited" is "unlimited", isn't
> it? But common, gimmee a break. That was never the intent of the
> system. Some people are just abusers. Those abusers eventually ruin
> things for everyone. Score one for them here as well.
>
>
If you sell me ANYTHING that's "unlimited", including "unlimited use" like
internet service, there is nothing I can do to "abuse" the system, as you
put it, unless I do something illegal like threaten to kill you in an
email. Just using the "unlimited" bandwidth you've proffered me when
trying to sell me the product, is not a mortal sin or punishable crime. If
you sell me "5GB per month", of course, I may make the decision that is way
too little data for way too much money at 60 bucks a pop.....which it is.
SELLular has never gotten over the idea that "data" is a very valuable
asset to be sold by the byte or kilobyte at fantastic rates not supported
any place else on the planet.
To see this stupid mentality, take a look at SMS messaging rates! Verizon
sells a 156 byte text message for $0.15. That's 6,410,256 text messages
per Gigabyte times $.15 = $961,538.40 per Gigabyte! Can you imagine what
cable internet with binary usenet downloading would cost?!
That's a better scam than a pharmaceutical company!
larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in news:479d4a65$0$25023
> $607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> but his assertions do need some verification
>
> Not a problem:
>
> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?
> item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=pr iceSort&catId=409
> &lid=//global//plans//wireless+pc+card//broadband+access
>
> sorry it's so long. Here:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yw85dj
>
> Slide down into the legalese window titled "Calling Plan Information"
> then slide down inside the window where it says:
>
> "If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve
> the right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would
> otherwise exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps.
> These speeds are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in
> order to address network issues. In order to assess your usage, you
> may obtain information about your usage during a particular billing
> period, including during the Return Period under your Worry Free
> Guarantee, through My Account or by contacting Customer Service.
> These Data Plans or Features are for individual use only and not for
> resale."
>
> It used to say they'd cut you off until very recently. I suppose
> their lawyers figured they were gonna get sacked, again....
>
> Of course, where it says what's specifically prohibited might be of
> interest. It includes everything they can think of except EMAIL and
> WEB BROWSING:
>
> "DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
> Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by
> your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
> capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not uses
> intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited.
> Examples of prohibited uses include the following: (i) server devices
> or host computer applications, including, but not limited to,
> continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds,
> automated machine-to- machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P)
> file-sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or
> dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots,"
> or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive
> amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use
> by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or
> activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited
> commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that
> adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use
> either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties' Internet-based
> resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against
> another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or
> attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to
> penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of Verizon
> Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or (vii) software
> or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections
> when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep
> alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' data retry
> requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means, by
> way of example only, that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P
> file- sharing services, web broadcasting, or for the operation of
> servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data
> Acquisition devices is prohibited. "
>
> No streaming, no VoIP like Skype, no servers of any kind, no
> substituting Verizon SELLphone data for home internet service, no file
> downloading, no file uploading, no file sharing, no broadcasting from
> your webcam......only Email and Spambrowsing.
>
> Nothing "unlimited" about it....at all.
>
>
Well that's more like it Larry. The clarification is on the money. Thank
you. As I said in another post, though, it would never occur to me that even
"unlimited" usage would mean that I could hook up a computer to my cell
phone and use it as, say, a server which is using bandwidth all the time.
That's just abusive. The reason that contracts become so complicated is that
some people take advantage of loopholes. There is a difference between "the
letter of" and "the intent of". The more some people try to abuse "the
intent of", the more the seller has to add to "the letter of".
larry wrote:
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
> news:479d4f18$0$25058$607ed4bc@cv.net:
>
>> You're right, perhaps Vz should have foreseen this and worded their
>> contracts accordingly, after all, "unlimited" is "unlimited", isn't
>> it? But common, gimmee a break. That was never the intent of the
>> system. Some people are just abusers. Those abusers eventually ruin
>> things for everyone. Score one for them here as well.
>>
>>
>
> If you sell me ANYTHING that's "unlimited", including "unlimited use"
> like internet service, there is nothing I can do to "abuse" the
> system, as you put it, unless I do something illegal like threaten to
> kill you in an email.
>
I'm afraid we're going to agree to disagree on this point Larry.
Reasonableness must prevail. Let's say you took the "unlimited" usage that
was sold to YOU, "Larry", hooked it to a router, and resold your unlimited
usage to 500 other people at a huge profit to yourself (and at a loss of
speed to your clients and Verizon's). Would that be a reasonable use of the
unlimited data access sold to YOU?
>
> To see this stupid mentality, take a look at SMS messaging rates!
> Verizon sells a 156 byte text message for $0.15. That's 6,410,256
> text messages per Gigabyte times $.15 = $961,538.40 per Gigabyte!
> Can you imagine what cable internet with binary usenet downloading
> would cost?!
>
> That's a better scam than a pharmaceutical company!
>
We do agree on this. The text messaging prices are absurd. And
pharmaceutical companies are out of line. Don't leave out insurance
companies: they're the worst in my book.
Carl wrote:
> larry wrote:
>> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in news:479d4a65$0$25023
>> $607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>
>>> but his assertions do need some verification
>> Not a problem:
>>
>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?
>> item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=pr iceSort&catId=409
>> &lid=//global//plans//wireless+pc+card//broadband+access
>>
>> sorry it's so long. Here:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yw85dj
>>
>> Slide down into the legalese window titled "Calling Plan Information"
>> then slide down inside the window where it says:
>>
>> "If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve
>> the right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would
>> otherwise exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps.
>> These speeds are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in
>> order to address network issues. In order to assess your usage, you
>> may obtain information about your usage during a particular billing
>> period, including during the Return Period under your Worry Free
>> Guarantee, through My Account or by contacting Customer Service.
>> These Data Plans or Features are for individual use only and not for
>> resale."
>>
>> It used to say they'd cut you off until very recently. I suppose
>> their lawyers figured they were gonna get sacked, again....
>>
>> Of course, where it says what's specifically prohibited might be of
>> interest. It includes everything they can think of except EMAIL and
>> WEB BROWSING:
>>
>> "DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
>> Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by
>> your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
>> capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not uses
>> intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited.
>> Examples of prohibited uses include the following: (i) server devices
>> or host computer applications, including, but not limited to,
>> continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds,
>> automated machine-to- machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P)
>> file-sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or
>> dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots,"
>> or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive
>> amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use
>> by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or
>> activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited
>> commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that
>> adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use
>> either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties' Internet-based
>> resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against
>> another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or
>> attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to
>> penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of Verizon
>> Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or (vii) software
>> or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections
>> when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep
>> alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' data retry
>> requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means, by
>> way of example only, that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P
>> file- sharing services, web broadcasting, or for the operation of
>> servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data
>> Acquisition devices is prohibited. "
>>
>> No streaming, no VoIP like Skype, no servers of any kind, no
>> substituting Verizon SELLphone data for home internet service, no file
>> downloading, no file uploading, no file sharing, no broadcasting from
>> your webcam......only Email and Spambrowsing.
>>
>> Nothing "unlimited" about it....at all.
>>
>>
> Well that's more like it Larry. The clarification is on the money. Thank
> you. As I said in another post, though, it would never occur to me that even
> "unlimited" usage would mean that I could hook up a computer to my cell
> phone and use it as, say, a server which is using bandwidth all the time.
> That's just abusive. The reason that contracts become so complicated is that
> some people take advantage of loopholes. There is a difference between "the
> letter of" and "the intent of". The more some people try to abuse "the
> intent of", the more the seller has to add to "the letter of".
>
>
Same exact situation with a buffet. There are normal people who will eat
there and then the people who want to "get their money's worth" by eating
$40 worth of crab legs.
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:479e2512$0$6363$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> Well that's more like it Larry. The clarification is on the money.
> Thank you. As I said in another post, though, it would never occur to
> me that even "unlimited" usage would mean that I could hook up a
> computer to my cell phone and use it as, say, a server which is using
> bandwidth all the time. That's just abusive. The reason that contracts
> become so complicated is that some people take advantage of loopholes.
> There is a difference between "the letter of" and "the intent of". The
> more some people try to abuse "the intent of", the more the seller has
> to add to "the letter of".
>
>
>
Got my Alltel bill, today, for Dec - Jan (31 days). I was looking
through it and see they HAVE been keeping usage numbers. For $25 EVDO,
I got 8.264GB to the Nokia N800 tablet over the period. Noone died. No
animals were made extinct. Alltel didn't crash and I saw no reports of
server fires or other disasters. Hell, on cable, 8.2GB is only about 5
hours of usenet downloading at home...(c;
There weren't any nasty letters in the bill and I'm still listening to
BBC 2 through the Bluetooth stereo I bought for the car for the tablet
to play over, so I must be "ok"...(c;
Sure didn't take much to make this level on the little bugger with the
toys running. I'll try to do better in Jan-Feb...(c;
VZW still promotes "Unlimited" for god-awful prices but to GetItNow and
MobileWeb2.0 on "Nationwide Premium", some new voice plan for toyphone
WebTV appliances.
The headline reads:
"UNLIMITED MESSAGING, VZ NAVIGATOR, MOBILE EMAIL, AND V CAST VPAK PLUS
UNLIMITED MEGABYTES FOR MOBILE WEB 2.0 AND GET IT NOW! ON SELECT VERIZON
WIRELESS PHONES."
I suppose "select verizon wireless phones" means the cheap ones with the
WAP browser that uses no bandwidth and doesn't really "do" anything
useful.
It's all very confusing with this multipage obfuscation of plans.
Down in the legalese, they make sure you don't try to BT to your
tablet...(c;
"Internet Access
Mobile Office Kits, PC Cards, PDAs or other wireless modem devices may
not be used for Internet access without a subscription to select VZEmail
or VZAccess plans."
So, the part about "UNLIMITED MEGABYTES" to these phones is actually
quite comical....(c;
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in
news:479e28a0$0$6333$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> I'm afraid we're going to agree to disagree on this point Larry.
> Reasonableness must prevail. Let's say you took the "unlimited" usage
> that was sold to YOU, "Larry", hooked it to a router, and resold your
> unlimited usage to 500 other people at a huge profit to yourself (and
> at a loss of speed to your clients and Verizon's). Would that be a
> reasonable use of the unlimited data access sold to YOU?
>
Now we ARE dealing in the "Absurd"! Hooking a router to any SELLphone data
network is too comical to comprehend. Given the 1/2 to 2 second latency,
how would anyone use it if more than ONE person were connected. I think
they do it on purpose! All the latency is right at the end of the food
chain at the SELLphone, itself. Look at yours. Browse to: http://monitor.usenetserver.com/cgi-bin/trace.pl
and let my nntp company do a reverse traceroute to the phone. They're in
Atlanta on serious bandwidth. On the cable, I'm 9ms pingtimes for
reference.
Look at the bottom of the list where your SELLphone device is, then one up
the food chain where UNS traces to the input end of the company. Man, how
do they DELAY packets SO LONG! It's a serious issue on rdesktop.
We'll be "reasonableness" and assume you have ONE "device", whether it be a
tablet, laptop, not-so-smartphone, etc., hooked to data via BT or USB or, I
suppose, an aircard. Leave the absurd to the pharmaceuticals, doctors,
insurance and other ripoff artists....(c;
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in news:479e28a0$0$6333
$607ed4bc@cv.net:
> And
> pharmaceutical companies are out of line.
Ever see a commercial on TV for Neulasta, a 0.6ml injection in a tiny
plastic squirt gun they inject into chemotherapy patients to "HELP
PREVENT", not prevent, infections after the doctors destroy their immune
system?
Neulasta - 6mg/0.6ml Solution 0.6ml Syringe
Quantity Our Price
1 syringe $3,201.75 - save 13% ($498.05)
2 syringes $6,218.51 - save 16% ($1,181.09)
3 syringes $9,327.77 - save 16% ($1,771.63)
4 syringes $12,437.02 - save 16% ($2,362.18)
5 syringes $15,546.28 - save 16% ($2,952.72)
6 syringes $18,655.53 - save 16% ($3,543.27)
If we do the math, that's 1,667 injections per litre or 6,933 injections
per gallon (IPG?). 6933 x $3,201.75 = $22,198,798/gallon! This has got
to be the most expensive liquid on Planet Earth! Makes even high test
gas look really CHEAP!
AND THAT'S THE DISCOUNT OF $498.05 x 6933 = $3,452,980.60 OFF RETAIL!!
How much will the people tolerate before pharmaceutical company
buildings start "collapsing" like WTC7 and the public's snipers start
taking out the company bureaucrats as they leave the buildings?
Obviously, it's over $22M/gallon! Not a shot has been fired! No
buildings mysteriously collapsed, yet, either!
That's absurd....absurd reality.....MUCH scarier than SELLphone ripoffs.
$100 says Neulasta ISN'T made in some amazingly expensive lab by
chemical geniuses with 5 PhD's per person one drop at a time. It would
be fun to see which Pakistani or Bangladeshi chemical plant actually
makes the stuff....at $22,198,798/gallon!
HOW DO THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT? HOW DO THEY FACE THEIR KIDS?!!
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9A339A6688AE3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> Look at the bottom of the list where your SELLphone device is, then one up
> the food chain where UNS traces to the input end of the company. Man, how
> do they DELAY packets SO LONG! It's a serious issue on rdesktop.
>
None of my last 4 (myVZW) hops are more than 125Ms
MUCH less than "1/2 to 2 seconds".... Exaggerate much??
Ness-Net wrote:
>
> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A339A6688AE3noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>> Look at the bottom of the list where your SELLphone device is, then
>> one up the food chain where UNS traces to the input end of the
>> company. Man, how do they DELAY packets SO LONG! It's a serious
>> issue on rdesktop.
>>
>
>
> None of my last 4 (myVZW) hops are more than 125Ms
>
> MUCH less than "1/2 to 2 seconds".... Exaggerate much??
>
> How one person can be SOOO full of crap.
I was thinking the same thing. I see similar latency.
George wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> larry wrote:
>>> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in news:479d4a65$0$25023
>>> $607ed4bc@cv.net:
>>>
>>>> but his assertions do need some verification
>>> Not a problem:
>>>
>>> http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?
>>> item=planFirst&action=viewPlanDetail&sortOption=pr iceSort&catId=409
>>> &lid=//global//plans//wireless+pc+card//broadband+access
>>>
>>> sorry it's so long. Here:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yw85dj
>>>
>>> Slide down into the legalese window titled "Calling Plan
>>> Information" then slide down inside the window where it says:
>>>
>>> "If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we
>>> reserve the right to reduce throughput speeds of any application
>>> that would otherwise exceed such speed to a maximum of
>>> approximately 200 Kbps. These speeds are subject to change, in our
>>> reasonable discretion, in order to address network issues. In order
>>> to assess your usage, you may obtain information about your usage
>>> during a particular billing period, including during the Return
>>> Period under your Worry Free Guarantee, through My Account or by
>>> contacting Customer Service. These Data Plans or Features are for
>>> individual use only and not for resale."
>>>
>>> It used to say they'd cut you off until very recently. I suppose
>>> their lawyers figured they were gonna get sacked, again....
>>>
>>> Of course, where it says what's specifically prohibited might be of
>>> interest. It includes everything they can think of except EMAIL and
>>> WEB BROWSING:
>>>
>>> "DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
>>> Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted
>>> by your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
>>> capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not
>>> uses intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited.
>>> Examples of prohibited uses include the following: (i) server
>>> devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited
>>> to, continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds,
>>> automated machine-to- machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P)
>>> file-sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or
>>> dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots,"
>>> or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive
>>> amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email
>>> use by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email
>>> (or activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited
>>> commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that
>>> adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use
>>> either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties' Internet-based
>>> resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against
>>> another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or
>>> attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or
>>> to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of Verizon
>>> Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or (vii) software
>>> or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet
>>> connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or
>>> any "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless'
>>> data retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time.
>>> This means, by way of example only, that using these Data Plans or
>>> Features for P2P file- sharing services, web broadcasting, or for
>>> the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory
>>> Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited. "
>>>
>>> No streaming, no VoIP like Skype, no servers of any kind, no
>>> substituting Verizon SELLphone data for home internet service, no
>>> file downloading, no file uploading, no file sharing, no
>>> broadcasting from your webcam......only Email and Spambrowsing.
>>>
>>> Nothing "unlimited" about it....at all.
>>>
>>>
>> Well that's more like it Larry. The clarification is on the money.
>> Thank you. As I said in another post, though, it would never occur
>> to me that even "unlimited" usage would mean that I could hook up a
>> computer to my cell phone and use it as, say, a server which is
>> using bandwidth all the time. That's just abusive. The reason that
>> contracts become so complicated is that some people take advantage
>> of loopholes. There is a difference between "the letter of" and "the
>> intent of". The more some people try to abuse "the intent of", the
>> more the seller has to add to "the letter of".
> Same exact situation with a buffet. There are normal people who will
> eat there and then the people who want to "get their money's worth"
> by eating $40 worth of crab legs.
Excellent analogy. There are abusers in every field. Their selfishness makes
it bad for all the rest of us.
larry wrote:
> "Connecticut Customers: If you have any questions about your bill or
> concerns about your service..."
Perhaps cellphones "are known to cause cancer (in Connecticut)" just
as some chemicals are known to cause cancer and birth defects in
California. So just use those chemicals in Nevada across the state
line and you'll be safe.
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