Does anyone carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone?

I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
to happen anytime soon.
Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
phones.

techman41973 wrote:
> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.
> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.
>

Never heard of or saw anyone doing that. I carry a smartphone using VZW.
What value would it bring other than "look at me I have an iphone?"

techman41973 wrote:
> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.
> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.
>

What does an Iphone do that other smart phones cannot? I get the
impression that the iPhone is as much fashion accessory as phone!

At the moment AT&T has a monopoly on the iPhone and I'm sure that they
will hang on to it as long as they possibly can!

Carrying and paying for two phones is ridiculous unless you have a much
better reason than showing off!

At 22 Sep 2009 07:57:58 -0400 Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> techman41973 wrote:
> > I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> > since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> > Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> > I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> > to happen anytime soon.
> > Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> > this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> > phones.
> >
>
> What does an Iphone do that other smart phones cannot? I get the
> impression that the iPhone is as much fashion accessory as phone!

My wife certainly loves hers for some reason! It's not so much what it does,
but how it does it. Without disparaging my wife, It's a sort of
"smartphone for dummies." She's certainly smart enogh to use any
smartphone (and uses a Blackberry for work) but loves the never-need-an-
owner's-manual simplicity of the iPhone. (Much of the simplicity stems
from lack of functionality, of course.)

> At the moment AT&T has a monopoly on the iPhone and I'm sure that they
> will hang on to it as long as they possibly can!
>
> Carrying and paying for two phones is ridiculous unless you have a much
> better reason than showing off!

The iPhone is the best meld of music/me
ia player and phone at the moment, if you're an iPod person looking to
combine your player and phone into a single device. Since the OP is still
going to lug a Verizon phone around, he really should get an iPod Touch (an
iPhone without the phone) and eschew a second monthly fee.

techman41973 wrote:
> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.

> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.

Some people keep a PagePlus (Verizon MVNO) phone with them for coverage
purposes while using phones on other networks for other reasons. I.e.
someone with a phone on the Nextel network obviously would need another
phone for traveling even to many urban areas since Nextel has such
limited coverage. For many rural areas a lot of GSM customers simply
assume they're in an area with no coverage at all when in fact they'd
have coverage on CDMA.

You can keep a PagePlus phone active for less then $2.50/month. Note
that you'll be charged roaming charges when roaming on some (but not
all) non-Verizon CDMA networks, but at least you'll have coverage.

Go to the prepaid web site at "http://prepaiduswireless.com/" for
information on your prepaid options that use Verizon, but PagePlus is
going to be your best bet. For $20 you can buy a Verizon InPulse phone
at Best Buy, Target, at Wal-Mart, and rather than activating it on
Verizon's InPulse service you activate it on PagePlus (do not activate
it on InPulse first). You can even get it activated on PagePlus for free
if you have a HowardForums account and have posted ten non-junk posts.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 22 Sep 2009 07:57:58 -0400 Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>> techman41973 wrote:
>>> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
>>> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
>>> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
>>> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
>>> to happen anytime soon.
>>> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
>>> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
>>> phones.
>>>
>> What does an Iphone do that other smart phones cannot? I get the
>> impression that the iPhone is as much fashion accessory as phone!
>
> My wife certainly loves hers for some reason! It's not so much what it does,
> but how it does it. Without disparaging my wife, It's a sort of
> "smartphone for dummies." She's certainly smart enogh to use any
> smartphone (and uses a Blackberry for work) but loves the never-need-an-
> owner's-manual simplicity of the iPhone. (Much of the simplicity stems
> from lack of functionality, of course.)
>
>> At the moment AT&T has a monopoly on the iPhone and I'm sure that they
>> will hang on to it as long as they possibly can!
>>
>> Carrying and paying for two phones is ridiculous unless you have a much
>> better reason than showing off!
>
> The iPhone is the best meld of music/me
> ia player and phone at the moment, if you're an iPod person looking to
> combine your player and phone into a single device. Since the OP is still
> going to lug a Verizon phone around, he really should get an iPod Touch (an
> iPhone without the phone) and eschew a second monthly fee.
>
>

Oh well! Some of us just want a phone and maybe a few PDA functions.
99% of my PDA usage is keeping track of names and phone numbers. In
some cases I want a mailing address too. In the case of close friends,
I might also store a birthday or anniversary.

I've been using a Palm M100. The touch screen has died and, while it's
repairable, it's hardly worth it for a gadget six years old; that's two
lifetimes in computer years!

Todd Allcock wrote:

> The iPhone is the best meld of music/me
> ia player and phone at the moment, if you're an iPod person looking to
> combine your player and phone into a single device. Since the OP is still
> going to lug a Verizon phone around, he really should get an iPod Touch (an
> iPhone without the phone) and eschew a second monthly fee.

It's really nice to have the 3G web access of the iPhone. He only needs
to bring along a cheap PagePlus phone on Verizon for traveling.

Or wait for the Verizon version of the iPhone. Apple has got to be
planning such a device, they're not going to permanently give up such a
huge market.

At 22 Sep 2009 07:13:23 -0700 SMS wrote:

> It's really nice to have the 3G web access of the iPhone. He only needs
> to bring along a cheap PagePlus phone on Verizon for traveling.

And deal with the issue of having two phone numbers. Certainly not an
insurmountable problem, but it could be an issue for someone who uses their
phone primarily to be contacted by clients.

> Or wait for the Verizon version of the iPhone. Apple has got to be
> planning such a device, they're not going to permanently give up such a
> huge market.


AT&T's and Verizon's "markets" almost completely overlap. Sure, there is a
percentage of "hard core" Verizon users who won't switch to AT&T for
coverage reasons, but they're a minority. Selling a Verizon iPhone would
mostly just cannibalize the existing iPhone market, and force Apple to give
up the benefits they get from their current exclusivity arrangement. As
long as Apple get AT&T to bend over and accept any and all of Apple's
demands, there's no practical advantage (for them) to change the current
distribution model.

techman41973 wrote:
> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.
> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.
>

My SIL has a Verizon phone and an iTouch, which, I believe, is an iPhone
without phone service. It does all the tricks of an iPhone like WiFi and
games and music, but it doesn't leave him stranded without a signal to
make and receive calls. He's in Central Jersey.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 22 Sep 2009 07:13:23 -0700 SMS wrote:
>
>> It's really nice to have the 3G web access of the iPhone. He only needs
>> to bring along a cheap PagePlus phone on Verizon for traveling.
>
> And deal with the issue of having two phone numbers. Certainly not an
> insurmountable problem, but it could be an issue for someone who uses their
> phone primarily to be contacted by clients.

Yeah, it could be a hassle, but you could always set something up using
Google Voice. I know that I'm in that boat. I'd like an iPhone but I
don't want to deal with two primary phones, and I'm not willing to give
up the coverage I have now. It's not even so much giving up Verizon
coverage, it's giving up CDMA coverage on some of the smaller carriers
in places that we go to fairly often, that have no GSM coverage of any
kind, and are unlikely to get it any time soon.

> AT&T's and Verizon's "markets" almost completely overlap. Sure, there is a
> percentage of "hard core" Verizon users who won't switch to AT&T for
> coverage reasons, but they're a minority. Selling a Verizon iPhone would
> mostly just cannibalize the existing iPhone market, and force Apple to give
> up the benefits they get from their current exclusivity arrangement. As
> long as Apple get AT&T to bend over and accept any and all of Apple's
> demands, there's no practical advantage (for them) to change the current
> distribution model.

There are a lot of corporate customers that use Verizon that would
likely let their employees get iPhones.

Janet Wilder wrote:

> My SIL has a Verizon phone and an iTouch, which, I believe, is an iPhone
> without phone service. It does all the tricks of an iPhone like WiFi and
> games and music, but it doesn't leave him stranded without a signal to
> make and receive calls. He's in Central Jersey.

I'd rather have an iPhone than the other smart phones, not because it's
really any better than the other phones but because there are actually
some very useful applications among all the ridiculous ones, and I'd
like the internet via 3G which is available in most places. But this
means carrying a second phone for those areas with only CDMA coverage
which is too much of a hassle.

I wonder how many people are in the same boat in the U.S.. IMVAIO,
people have become more concerned and knowledgeable about coverage
issues and there are a lot of cell phone users for whom good coverage
with a not-so-great phone trumps mediocre coverage with a cool handset.
Sure an iPhone on Verizon would simply mean some sales on AT&T would
change to sales on Verizon, but there's also a big available market of
users that will not switch to AT&T just to get an iPhone.

Maybe an iPod Touch with 3G data but no voice service would be a good
product for Apple to offer.

"techman41973" <techman41973@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:75fc9175-3d22-4bfe-b27f-c124723f77af@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.
> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.
>

Kinda similar suggestion to what Janet said. Get a Verizon smartphone that
has Wifi, like the Omnia or Touch Pros, and an iPod Touch. You can use a
program called WMWifiRouter to turn your phone into a wifi access point,
which you can connect your iPod Touch to and browse the net/watch
youtube/play games/whatever. (Although, its pretty pointless, as other
smartphones can do everything the iPhone does, and more.)

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> What value would it bring other than "look at me I have an
> iphone?"

That's the only reason. A BlackBerry will do everything *USEFUL* that
an iPone will do and do it better.

NOTE: I said USEFUL, iPhones have tons of useless apps that appeal to
kids such as games, etc.



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"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> I'd rather have an iPhone than the other smart phones, not because it's
> really any better than the other phones but because there are actually
> some very useful applications among all the ridiculous ones, and I'd like
> the internet via 3G which is available in most places. But this means
> carrying a second phone for those areas with only CDMA coverage which is
> too much of a hassle.


Ok, I'll bite!

What useful apps? I agree there are a gaggle of useful apps for the iPhone,
but they typically have dopplegangers on other smartphone platforms. Sure,
they may not be as slick, but I haven't really found any apps for my wife's
iPhone (other than games) that do not have an analogous app available for my
Windows Mobile handset, with one glaring exception. So far, the only
"jealousy" app on my wife's iPhone that I can't duplicate on my Windows
Mobile handset is the Kindle eBook reader. There are plenty of eBook apps
available for it, but as Amazon's Kindle continues to become a defacto
standard, I'd like to standardize on a single platform.


> I wonder how many people are in the same boat in the U.S.. IMVAIO, people
> have become more concerned and knowledgeable about coverage issues and
> there are a lot of cell phone users for whom good coverage with a
> not-so-great phone trumps mediocre coverage with a cool handset. Sure an
> iPhone on Verizon would simply mean some sales on AT&T would change to
> sales on Verizon, but there's also a big available market of users that
> will not switch to AT&T just to get an iPhone.

Define "big available market." Outside of a few congested problem areas for
AT&T (SF, NY, etc.) AT&T has adequate coverage in most of the country, so
that pent up demand for non-AT&T iPhones is probably smaller than you
suspect it is, particularly given your location.

> Maybe an iPod Touch with 3G data but no voice service would be a good
> product for Apple to offer.

Unless AT&T's lawyers are dumber than I suspect, I'd wager that would be
considered a "phone" and subject to the same exclusivity arrangement.

All Apple really needs to do is add bluetooth tethering to the iPod Touch so
it could use any 3G phone as a bluetooth modem. A Verizon MiFi would also
work as a portable 3G source for the current iPod Touch, or as another
poster pointed out, some smartphones can act as "MyFi" devices: WinMo
handsets running WiFiRouter, or Symbian devices running Joikuspot, for
example.

"Jon" <Jon@cebridge.net> wrote in message
news:YL8um.56977$ec2.47126@newsfe13.iad...
> "techman41973" <techman41973@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:75fc9175-3d22-4bfe-b27f-c124723f77af@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>>I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
>> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
>> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
>> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
>> to happen anytime soon.
>> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
>> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
>> phones.
>>
>
> Kinda similar suggestion to what Janet said. Get a Verizon smartphone
> that has Wifi, like the Omnia or Touch Pros, and an iPod Touch. You can
> use a program called WMWifiRouter to turn your phone into a wifi access
> point, which you can connect your iPod Touch to and browse the net/watch
> youtube/play games/whatever. (Although, its pretty pointless, as other
> smartphones can do everything the iPhone does, and more.)
>

Hasn't Verizon stated that all future smartphone models WILL have WiFi. So
the next generation phones from all manufacturers , including the upcoming
Storm2, will do virtualy everything the iPhone will do (except perhaps
games), and do it on a better network.

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <0034cfe3$0$13511$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> My SIL has a Verizon phone and an iTouch
>
> No, she doesn't. There's no such animal as an iTouch.
>
> There is an iPod Touch. Probably that's what she has.
>
> And there's an iPhone, which you said she doesn't have.

It's a "he" son-in-law. Okay it's an iPod touch.

What the heck do I know? My phone can't even take a picture. <g>

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

XS11E wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> What value would it bring other than "look at me I have an
>> iphone?"
>
> That's the only reason. A BlackBerry will do everything *USEFUL* that
> an iPone will do and do it better.
>
> NOTE: I said USEFUL, iPhones have tons of useless apps that appeal to
> kids such as games, etc.
>
>
>

I doubt that iPhones are the only phones that have games and useless apps!

"Janet Wilder" <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0035532a$0$13517$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <0034cfe3$0$13511$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
>> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My SIL has a Verizon phone and an iTouch
>>
>> No, she doesn't. There's no such animal as an iTouch.
>>
>> There is an iPod Touch. Probably that's what she has.
>>
>> And there's an iPhone, which you said she doesn't have.
>
> It's a "he" son-in-law. Okay it's an iPod touch.
>
> What the heck do I know? My phone can't even take a picture. <g>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.


LOL!

Janet Wilder wrote:
> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <0034cfe3$0$13511$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
>> Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My SIL has a Verizon phone and an iTouch
>>
>> No, she doesn't. There's no such animal as an iTouch.
>>
>> There is an iPod Touch. Probably that's what she has.
>>
>> And there's an iPhone, which you said she doesn't have.
>
> It's a "he" son-in-law. Okay it's an iPod touch.
>
> What the heck do I know? My phone can't even take a picture. <g>
>

You aren't missing much. If you need a camera you can get a much better
one!

Todd Allcock wrote:

> What useful apps?

Okay, my bank lets you deposit checks via an iPhone app. Yeah, I can do
it from home but I have to drag out the scanner (can't use my wireless
all-in-one machine and can't scan the check to an image file or take a
photo of it, you have to have the scanner directly hooked to the computer).

There are some educational apps for foreign languages only on the iPhone.

> Define "big available market." Outside of a few congested problem areas
> for AT&T (SF, NY, etc.) AT&T has adequate coverage in most of the
> country, so that pent up demand for non-AT&T iPhones is probably smaller
> than you suspect it is, particularly given your location.

The problem is that like the original poster said, you need to carry a
Verizon phone for rural areas (and not so rural areas in some cases).
I.e. this morning I was up in the Santa Cruz mountains, not more than
ten miles from the urban areas of Silicon Valley. While I was waiting
for a flagman due to construction, I checked coverage on CDMA and GSM
where I was stopped. Verizon had coverage, AT&T (on my SpeakOut MVNO
phone) did not. Suprisingly, there WAS coverage on my T-Mobile prepaid
phone (the AT&T and T-Mobile phones were the same model of phone so it
wasn't a phone issue). Further up the road there was no coverage at all
for a few miles (an area that used to be well covered by AMPS which now
has no coverage thanks to the Republicans).

It's not just out in the boonies of rural America that you are better
off with Verizon/CDMA roaming, it's in the fringes of urban areas as
well, places that many urban dwellers are likely to visit. This has been
the case for many years.

SMS wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> What useful apps?
>
> Okay, my bank lets you deposit checks via an iPhone app. Yeah, I can do
> it from home but I have to drag out the scanner (can't use my wireless
> all-in-one machine and can't scan the check to an image file or take a
> photo of it, you have to have the scanner directly hooked to the computer).
>
> There are some educational apps for foreign languages only on the iPhone.
>
>> Define "big available market." Outside of a few congested problem
>> areas for AT&T (SF, NY, etc.) AT&T has adequate coverage in most of
>> the country, so that pent up demand for non-AT&T iPhones is probably
>> smaller than you suspect it is, particularly given your location.
>
> The problem is that like the original poster said, you need to carry a
> Verizon phone for rural areas (and not so rural areas in some cases).
> I.e. this morning I was up in the Santa Cruz mountains, not more than
> ten miles from the urban areas of Silicon Valley. While I was waiting
> for a flagman due to construction, I checked coverage on CDMA and GSM
> where I was stopped. Verizon had coverage, AT&T (on my SpeakOut MVNO
> phone) did not. Suprisingly, there WAS coverage on my T-Mobile prepaid
> phone (the AT&T and T-Mobile phones were the same model of phone so it
> wasn't a phone issue). Further up the road there was no coverage at all
> for a few miles (an area that used to be well covered by AMPS which now
> has no coverage thanks to the Republicans).

Don't blame the Republicans or even the government. All the government
did was to *allow* the carriers to shut down AMPS. The carriers shut it
down because it made economic sense to do so.
>
> It's not just out in the boonies of rural America that you are better
> off with Verizon/CDMA roaming, it's in the fringes of urban areas as
> well, places that many urban dwellers are likely to visit. This has been
> the case for many years.

I've had Verizon Wireless service since the days when it was called
"Bell Atlantic Mobile". I've never been unable to place a call. I
suppose there are a few odd corners that don't have coverage but I've
never encountered one. YMMV!

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:

> Don't blame the Republicans or even the government. All the government
> did was to *allow* the carriers to shut down AMPS. The carriers shut it
> down because it made economic sense to do so.

The FCC required that no coverage be lost if a carrier turned off AMPS
and went all digital. To maintain the coverage provided by AMPS the
carrier would have had to install many more towers in rural and fringe
areas, but of course they didn't do this. They just shut off AMPS
knowing that there would be no enforcement of the FCC rules because that
might be seen as being business unfriendly. Since the president chooses
the head of the FCC, and the president was a Republican at the time, the
Republicans get the blame.

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:

> I've had Verizon Wireless service since the days when it was called
> "Bell Atlantic Mobile". I've never been unable to place a call. I
> suppose there are a few odd corners that don't have coverage but I've
> never encountered one.

You need to get out of the city more! While Verizon does have better
coverage than the other three major carriers, there are still many
places with no coverage by any carrier, and a lot more of those places
since AMPS was shut down by the major carriers.

A few years ago I went out to Everglades National Park, the entrance on
U.S. 41 (Tamiami Trail) which is a major cross-Florida highway. There
was only AMPS in the park, and amusingly it was on AT&T which owns both
the A&B side 800 MHz in south Florida. I could make and receive calls on
AT&T but AT&T and Cingular subscribers had no coverage (well if they had
a really old GAIT (AMPS/TDMA/GSM) phone maybe they did). There is no GSM
coverage at all along 41, though the AT&T coverage viewer proclaims
"moderate coverage" (T-Mobile shows no coverage at all). Verizon now has
full digital coverage right along the road, but that 1900 MHz coverage
will not extend very far into the park.

SMS wrote:

> A few years ago I went out to Everglades National Park, the entrance on
> U.S. 41 (Tamiami Trail) which is a major cross-Florida highway. There
> was only AMPS in the park, and amusingly it was on AT&T which owns both
> the A&B side 800 MHz in south Florida. I could make and receive calls on
> AT&T but AT&T and Cingular subscribers had no coverage (well if they had
> a really old GAIT (AMPS/TDMA/GSM) phone maybe they did). There is no GSM
> coverage at all along 41, though the AT&T coverage viewer proclaims
> "moderate coverage" (T-Mobile shows no coverage at all). Verizon now has
> full digital coverage right along the road, but that 1900 MHz coverage
> will not extend very far into the park.

Oh and Sprint shows roaming coverage identical to the Verizon native
coverage.

One more reason that GSM users need to at least carry a glove-box CDMA
phone on PagePlus when traveling.

techman41973 <techman41973@yahoo.com> wrote in news:75fc9175-3d22-4bfe-
b27f-c124723f77af@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

> I have Verizon service and I love the coverage I get in rural areas
> since I travel for business by car. I really want to get an Iphone but
> Ive heard horrible stories about AT&T's 3G coverage and quality. While
> I pray for an Iphone someday on Verizon, it doesnt look like its going
> to happen anytime soon.
> Just wondering how many people carry a Verizon phone AND an Iphone for
> this reason and are willing to pay the cost of service for their two
> phones.
>
>

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the massive 32gb internal storage. Technical profile system: wcdma
900/1700/2100 (hspa) egsm 850/900/1800/1900 mhz os: maemo 5 dimensions:
110.9 x 59.8 x 18 mm(l x w x h) *19.55 mm at camera area weight: approx.
181 g display: 3.5 inch widescreen (800x480 pixels) touch battery: nokia
battery bl-5j 1320 mah media storage: up to 48gb (32 gb on-board 16gb
expansion via microsd memory card slot) video playback: h.264 mpeg-4
xvid up to wvga (800x480) resolution in 25fps. Wmv up to vga resolution
in 30fps. Flash video streaming in browser. Music playback: mp3 aac aac+
eaac+ m4a wav wma main camera lens: carl zeiss tessar image capture: up
to 5 megapixels (2584 x 1938) jpeg/exif (16.7 million/24-bit color)
video capture: mpeg-4 wvga (800 x 480) at up to 25 fps aperture: 2.8
focal length: 5.2 flash: dual led camera flash and video light operating
times always online: up to 2-4 days (tcp/ip connected) talk time: up to
5hrs wcdma 9hrs gsm active online usage: up to 1+ day connectivity &
data services wlan ieee 802.11b/g with upnp support bt 2.1 with support
for stereo headsets integrated fm transmitter integrated gps with a-gps
nokia av connector 3.5mm for audio input/output and tv out micro-usb 2.0
high speed for file transfers and charging. 3g on t-mobile only.

Works on BOTH GSM and WCDMA systems. Amazon has advertised $588 for
this incredible Linux device. The whole Maemo Linux community is all
excited about it....Maybe you won't need two devices. This one does
things iPhoners can't even dream about....even with the jailbreaking
nonsense.

--
Larry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78MfM...eature=related
cool.....(c;]

SMS wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> What useful apps?
>
> Okay, my bank lets you deposit checks via an iPhone app. Yeah, I can do
> it from home but I have to drag out the scanner (can't use my wireless
> all-in-one machine and can't scan the check to an image file or take a
> photo of it, you have to have the scanner directly hooked to the computer).
>
> There are some educational apps for foreign languages only on the iPhone.
>
>> Define "big available market." Outside of a few congested problem
>> areas for AT&T (SF, NY, etc.) AT&T has adequate coverage in most of
>> the country, so that pent up demand for non-AT&T iPhones is probably
>> smaller than you suspect it is, particularly given your location.
>
> The problem is that like the original poster said, you need to carry a
> Verizon phone for rural areas (and not so rural areas in some cases).
> I.e. this morning I was up in the Santa Cruz mountains, not more than
> ten miles from the urban areas of Silicon Valley. While I was waiting
> for a flagman due to construction, I checked coverage on CDMA and GSM
> where I was stopped. Verizon had coverage, AT&T (on my SpeakOut MVNO
> phone) did not. Suprisingly, there WAS coverage on my T-Mobile prepaid
> phone (the AT&T and T-Mobile phones were the same model of phone so it
> wasn't a phone issue). Further up the road there was no coverage at all
> for a few miles (an area that used to be well covered by AMPS which now
> has no coverage thanks to the Republicans).
>
> It's not just out in the boonies of rural America that you are better
> off with Verizon/CDMA roaming, it's in the fringes of urban areas as
> well, places that many urban dwellers are likely to visit. This has been
> the case for many years.

My son had an AT&T phone his company supplied. It used to hit a dead
spot on the New Jersey Turnpike right near Newark Airport. If you are at
all familiar with that area, it is hardly "rural"

After he couldn't be contacted in the Toronto, Canada area on the AT&T
phone, the company wised up and switched him onto Verizon. He never
again had the dead zone problem on the Turnpike.

Having traveled all over the US, living in an RV for 9 years, I can tell
y'all from experience that there were hundreds of times when I had
coverage on Verizon and my neighbors on other networks had none. Many a
time I made an emergency call for a fellow camper with a useless cell phone.

Small rant: I don't care how many tricks a phone can do. If I am stuck
with a flat tire or have a medical emergency, I want to be able to make
and receive calls. Isn't making and receiving calls what phones are
*really* all about? If I want to play games I have a Ninetendo DS Lite.
If I want to listen to music, I have an iPod Shuffle. If I want to make
a phone call, I have Verizon which has never failed to connect me. If I
could get a decent PDA that wasn't a phone, I would.
Rant off.


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4ab9a03a$0$1583$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> What useful apps?
>
> Okay, my bank lets you deposit checks via an iPhone app. Yeah, I can do it
> from home but I have to drag out the scanner (can't use my wireless
> all-in-one machine and can't scan the check to an image file or take a
> photo of it, you have to have the scanner directly hooked to the
> computer).

USAA, I presume? Cool. That's a really neat idea, but I have to laugh at
the goose/gander security. They won't let you use a wireless AIO scanner
not directly connected to your PC, but they'll let you snap a picture with a
mobile phone!


> There are some educational apps for foreign languages only on the iPhone.

I'll have to check them out. My wife wants to brush up on her German.


>> Define "big available market." Outside of a few congested problem areas
>> for AT&T (SF, NY, etc.) AT&T has adequate coverage in most of the
>> country, so that pent up demand for non-AT&T iPhones is probably smaller
>> than you suspect it is, particularly given your location.

> It's not just out in the boonies of rural America that you are better off
> with Verizon/CDMA roaming, it's in the fringes of urban areas as well,
> places that many urban dwellers are likely to visit. This has been the
> case for many years.

Actually, with my PagePlus phone, I'm consistantly amazed at the number of
remote places I get no Verizon (or any other CDMA) service, particularly
after years of Verizon's "It's The Network" Madison Avenue brainwashing. To
be fair, when the PagePlus goes dead, my T-Mo phone can't find any GSM
either, but the overall coverage of cellular in the boonies has certainly
taken a dive since AMPS went away- I know some of these dead areas used to
get weak, but usable, AMPS service on my old Cingular and "Beyond Wireless"
TDMA/AMPS phones.

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9C8FA634CC934noonehomecom@74.209.131.13...
> techman41973 <techman41973@yahoo.com> wrote in news:75fc9175-3d22-4bfe-
> b27f-c124723f77af@d15g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

> Nokia n900 mobile computer unlocked phone...
> Technical profile system: wcdma
> 900/1700/2100 (hspa) egsm 850/900/1800/1900 mhz...
>
> Works on BOTH GSM and WCDMA systems. Amazon has advertised $588 for
> this incredible Linux device. The whole Maemo Linux community is all
> excited about it....Maybe you won't need two devices. This one does
> things iPhoners can't even dream about....even with the jailbreaking
> nonsense.

"WCDMA" in the context of the Nokia, is GSM 3G. To couch it in SAT terms,
"WCDMA" is to "GSM" as "EVDO" is to "CDMA."

The N900 also lacks AT&T's 850/1900 3G frequencies, making it a 2G phone in
the US unless you use T-Mobile.

Of course, as a T-Mo customer, I'm pretty interested in this device, despite
being a committed WinMo guy (or is that a WinMo guy who should be committed?
Sometimes it's hard to tell!)

Hopefully T-Mo will brand it and sell it subsidized in the $300 range.

Janet Wilder wrote:

> Having traveled all over the US, living in an RV for 9 years, I can tell
> y'all from experience that there were hundreds of times when I had
> coverage on Verizon and my neighbors on other networks had none. Many a
> time I made an emergency call for a fellow camper with a useless cell
> phone.

In my own small city in Silicon Valley there were many meetings
regarding wireless coverage. The topography, and the lack of commercial
areas for towers (and lack of willing schools and churches) means that
much of the city is covered ONLY by Verizon (and those with Sprint
phones that can be forced to roam onto Verizon). Well my answer would be
"just tell people which carriers have coverage in which places and let
them get that carrier." Instead, they are now going to allow carriers to
put towers into city parks which I think is a terrible plan.
Complicating things is that my city is the headquarters of the company
that makes the iPhone, so it would be politically incorrect for the city
council to tell people to choose a carrier that doesn't offer the
iPhone. We have a corner in town that we call the "iPhone intersection"
where Apple employees cross a major thoroughfare that divides their main
campus with from many of their leased buildings. Probably at least half
the people you see crossing are looking at their iPhone as they walk.

While I always try to pick apart weasel word advertising, and I'm
displeased with Verizon for various things they've done, you can't fault
their coverage when compared to the other carriers. I do believe that
all the independent surveys are pretty valid because I've experienced
the same thing you experienced in your RV while traveling throughout the
U.S. (to many of the same places RV owners go). Now can we start working
on Obama getting RVs banned in National Parks?

Todd Allcock wrote:

<snip>

> but the overall coverage of cellular in the
> boonies has certainly taken a dive since AMPS went away- I know some of
> these dead areas used to get weak, but usable, AMPS service on my old
> Cingular and "Beyond Wireless" TDMA/AMPS phones.

That isn't possible because the carriers were not allowed to turn AMPS
off in areas where digital coverage did not replace the AMPS coverage, LOL.

Forget about W wrecking the economy, lying about Iraq, and getting us
into an impossible situation in Afghanistan, what needs to be
investigated is how the FCC allowed this loss of wireless coverage.

Now to be fair, there are some places in the boonies where I still get
AMPS coverage from rural carriers, at least I got it last time I checked
which was after the carriers were allowed to turn off AMPS.