I am using an Altell card in my router to communicate.
Two days ago, I lost the ability to send email with the message |msmtp:
recipient address xxxxxxx@yahoo.com not accepted by the server
|msmtp: server message: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [98.104.171.124]
blocked using
|zen.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=98.104.171.124
|msmtp: could not send mail (account suttonmachine from
/home/claude69694/.msmtprc)
|
I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
Since the problem started, I have double checked all settings, talked with my
ISP, read many sites to try to get a clue and nothing works.
msmtp, ubuntu 10.4, wicd, Crosstalk router.
Could the problem be with Alltel?
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> Since the problem started, I have double checked all settings, talked
with my
> ISP, read many sites to try to get a clue and nothing works.
>
> msmtp, ubuntu 10.4, wicd, Crosstalk router.
>
> Could the problem be with Alltel?
Well, they are no longer Alltel, but... yes, the problem IS on their
end.
It appears that Spamhaus is blocking that server not because it's
emitted spam, but due to policy:
Internet providers *tell* Spamhaus to list certain IP's on the PBL. It's
a voluntary thing, meant to help prevent spam, unlike other Spamhaus
lists (where you get on the list because they have actually seen spam
coming from you).
My guess is that Alltel or Verizon Wireless listed that IP at some
point, decided to start using it for actual customer email, and never
told Spamhaus to de-list it.
I wish I knew who to tell you to talk to at VZW, but... I don't.
For more information on what the PBL actually is, visit
On 2010-09-11, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article <i6g3li$mvv$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
> says...
>
>> I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
>
> It's not a problem with your setup.
>
>> Since the problem started, I have double checked all settings, talked
> with my
>> ISP, read many sites to try to get a clue and nothing works.
>>
>> msmtp, ubuntu 10.4, wicd, Crosstalk router.
>>
>> Could the problem be with Alltel?
>
> Well, they are no longer Alltel, but... yes, the problem IS on their
> end.
>
> It appears that Spamhaus is blocking that server not because it's
> emitted spam, but due to policy:
>
> http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL257398
>
> Internet providers *tell* Spamhaus to list certain IP's on the PBL. It's
> a voluntary thing, meant to help prevent spam, unlike other Spamhaus
> lists (where you get on the list because they have actually seen spam
> coming from you).
>
> My guess is that Alltel or Verizon Wireless listed that IP at some
> point, decided to start using it for actual customer email, and never
> told Spamhaus to de-list it.
The way I read the link, if my connection has authorization, the server is
supposed to accept it even though the address is listed on PBL.
I have a dynamic DNS which changes every time I connect.
I have recorded 4 different IP addresses that are blocked and have made many
many more connections that I have not bothered to record.
It seems odd to me that there are dozens of IP addresses blocked over a three day
period.
Not arguing, but just trying to understand what is going on.
CSSJR
>
> I wish I knew who to tell you to talk to at VZW, but... I don't.
>
> For more information on what the PBL actually is, visit
>
> http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/
>
>
>
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On 2010-09-11, Meh <generic@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 19:05:57 +0000 (UTC), "Claude S. Sutton, Jr"
><cssutto@suttonmachine.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The way I read the link, if my connection has authorization, the server is
>>supposed to accept it even though the address is listed on PBL.
>
> THAT is simply not true.
>
> The owner of the receiving server can accept OR deny any connection they
> want to.
>
> It's THEIR server, and their choice to use any block list they want to
> use.
>
Maybe you might want to read the spamhaus link.
The first line says that the email is not blocked.
It then goes on to explain that it is an authentication problem.
So why is my authentication not being accewpted?
Are there others here using msmtp that have knowledge of this problem?
CSSJR
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> It then goes on to explain that it is an authentication problem.
> So why is my authentication not being accewpted?
> Are there others here using msmtp that have knowledge of this problem?
Two thoughts:
1) Was msmtp working, and then it suddenly stopped working, but you'd
not made any changes to it? If so, I'd call Verzion.
2) If it never worked, OR if it stopped working after you made changes,
make sure msmtp *is,* in fact, sending your login and password.
On 2010-09-12, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:
> In article <i6go2c$sg$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
> says...
>
>> Maybe you might want to read the spamhaus link.
>>
>> The first line says that the email is not blocked.
>
> http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/query/PBL257398 doesn't say that.
>
>
>> It then goes on to explain that it is an authentication problem.
>> So why is my authentication not being accewpted?
>> Are there others here using msmtp that have knowledge of this problem?
>
> Two thoughts:
>
> 1) Was msmtp working, and then it suddenly stopped working, but you'd
> not made any changes to it? If so, I'd call Verzion.
I called Verizon.
After patiently wearing out the person who answered my call, she had the bright
idea that she would transfer me to her tech person who would know how to help.
He had never heard of spamhaus.
He had no idea what PBL stands for.
It went downhill from there.
CSSJR
>
> 2) If it never worked, OR if it stopped working after you made changes,
> make sure msmtp *is,* in fact, sending your login and password.
>
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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.26f56b9158a8f6df989a2d@news.justthe.net.. .
> In article <i6g3li$mvv$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
> says...
>
> > I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
>
> It's not a problem with your setup.
Actually, it IS a problem with your setup. You thought you could send mail
from a dynamic IP address (dial-up, DSL, etc.). You can't. Thank spammers
for that.
You need to relay your mail via your carrier's outbound mail server.
On 2010-09-12, D. Stussy <spam+newsgroups@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.26f56b9158a8f6df989a2d@news.justthe.net.. .
>> In article <i6g3li$mvv$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
>> says...
>>
>> > I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
>>
>> It's not a problem with your setup.
>
> Actually, it IS a problem with your setup. You thought you could send mail
> from a dynamic IP address (dial-up, DSL, etc.). You can't. Thank spammers
> for that.
>
> You need to relay your mail via your carrier's outbound mail server.
>
>
Look at the error message I posted and check the IP numer for ownership.
Then please explain to me how my email is being sent if not through my ISP.
Also in the link is an explanation by spamhous as to how dynamic IP addresses
work.
Again, please explain how mine differs.
CSSJR
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"Claude S. Sutton, Jr" <cssutto@suttonmachine.com> wrote in message
news:i6ijgt$i6r$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> On 2010-09-12, D. Stussy <spam+newsgroups@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> > "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.26f56b9158a8f6df989a2d@news.justthe.net.. .
> >> In article <i6g3li$mvv$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
> >> says...
> >>
> >> > I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
> >>
> >> It's not a problem with your setup.
> >
> > Actually, it IS a problem with your setup. You thought you could send
mail
> > from a dynamic IP address (dial-up, DSL, etc.). You can't. Thank
spammers
> > for that.
> >
> > You need to relay your mail via your carrier's outbound mail server.
> >
> >
>
> Look at the error message I posted and check the IP numer for ownership.
>
> Then please explain to me how my email is being sent if not through my
ISP.
Your device is connecting DIRECTLY to the destination mail server. You
should NOT be doing that. You should be connecting to your ISP's mail
server for relay. Since you didn't configure that, YOU are at fault.
> Also in the link is an explanation by spamhous as to how dynamic IP
addresses
> work.
>
> Again, please explain how mine differs.
What you think is happening is not what is actually happening.
Claude S. Sutton, Jr wrote on [Sat, 11 Sep 2010 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC)]:
>
>
> I am using an Altell card in my router to communicate.
>
> Two days ago, I lost the ability to send email with the message |msmtp:
> recipient address xxxxxxx@yahoo.com not accepted by the server
>|msmtp: server message: 554 Service unavailable; Client host [98.104.171.124]
> blocked using
>|zen.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=98.104.171.124
>|msmtp: could not send mail (account suttonmachine from
> /home/claude69694/.msmtprc)
>|
>
>
> I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
>
> Since the problem started, I have double checked all settings, talked with my
> ISP, read many sites to try to get a clue and nothing works.
>
> msmtp, ubuntu 10.4, wicd, Crosstalk router.
>
> Could the problem be with Alltel?
No, the problem is you need to route all your email through the alltel smtp
server.
On 2010-09-12, D. Stussy <spam+newsgroups@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
> "Claude S. Sutton, Jr" <cssutto@suttonmachine.com> wrote in message
> news:i6ijgt$i6r$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> On 2010-09-12, D. Stussy <spam+newsgroups@bde-arc.ampr.org> wrote:
>> > "Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.26f56b9158a8f6df989a2d@news.justthe.net.. .
>> >> In article <i6g3li$mvv$1@speranza.aioe.org>, cssutto@suttonmachine.com
>> >> says...
>> >>
>> >> > I had changed nothing in my msmtprc.
>> >>
>> >> It's not a problem with your setup.
>> >
>> > Actually, it IS a problem with your setup. You thought you could send
> mail
>> > from a dynamic IP address (dial-up, DSL, etc.). You can't. Thank
> spammers
>> > for that.
>> >
>> > You need to relay your mail via your carrier's outbound mail server.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Look at the error message I posted and check the IP numer for ownership.
>>
>> Then please explain to me how my email is being sent if not through my
> ISP.
>
> Your device is connecting DIRECTLY to the destination mail server. You
> should NOT be doing that. You should be connecting to your ISP's mail
> server for relay. Since you didn't configure that, YOU are at fault.
>
>> Also in the link is an explanation by spamhous as to how dynamic IP
> addresses
>> work.
>>
>> Again, please explain how mine differs.
>
> What you think is happening is not what is actually happening.
>
>
host: suttonmachine.com
suttonmachine.com is my account at my ISP
So it is the same thing as if my ISP was gmail and it read "host: cssjr@gmail.com
CSSJR
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On 2010-09-13, Meh <generic@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010 02:00:08 +0000 (UTC), "Claude S. Sutton, Jr"
><cssutto@suttonmachine.com> wrote:
>
>
>>host: suttonmachine.com
>>
>>suttonmachine.com is my account at my ISP
>>
>>So it is the same thing as if my ISP was gmail and it read "host:
>>cssjr@gmail.com
>
>
> NOT in the least.
>
> suttonmachine.com is a domain name, and NOT your ISP.
>
> You apparently have a host for that domain (icomdesign.com),
> with an IP address of 74.202.151.42.
>
> If you are running a mail SERVER on your home machine, and are
> trying to SEND mail from it using your domain name, your mail
> WILL be blocked by most servers, because the IP address will
> NOT match your domain DNS (your home IP address is the
> 98.xx.xx.xx number in your original post, alltel.net).
>
> You need to have a mail server AT your domain, using THAT
> IP address, and not your HOME IP address, in order to run
> a mail server.
>
> Because of spam and malware, most IPSs and other people
> running mail servers won't accept mail from a dynamic IP
> address (like most ISPs supply).
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
That host line, smtp.suttonmachine.com , is the only way we could get a
connection when I set it up several years ago.
I appreciate the info and will check it out.
Thanks.
CSSJR
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