Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Steve Sobol wrote:
>>> In article <67imd5dlb4e4lfthdrp2541qrjd3u07tal@4ax.com>,
>>> jeff.nospam@stikman.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> One issue with cloud computing was realized a few weeks ago with the
>>>> Sidekick/Danger/Microsoft issue. Their servers took a dump with a lot
>>>> of the users information. I guess they were able to restore most
>>>> users information but there are some who are just out of luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've said before, and I'll say again here, that that wasn't a problem
>>> with the cloud. That was a problem with a bunch of incompetent
>>> Microsoft jackasses letting go of everyone with a clue at Danger,
>>> failing to maintain proper backups, and then screwing themselves over
>>> (not to mention screwing T-Mobile and a bunch of their customers)
>>> when the crap hit the fan.
>>>
>>
>> I think it is the problem with "the cloud". "The cloud" is marketed as
>> some magical happy place where the sun always shines and is just so
>> much better than mere mortals could do themselves. In reality you are
>> asked to entrust your data to *who* and exactly how are they caring
>> for it? This is just another example of a mega corp cheaping out. How
>> is any user supposed to know this? How can we and why should we trust
>> "the cloud"?
>
> When you take a close look at the "Cloud" I think you will find that
> it's People+Procedures+Hardware+Software; IOW a system and one that was
> none too well designed for the purposes for which it was used.
>
> If you want something more I'm sure it's possible to arrange it. My
> phone is backed up to my PC and my PC is backed up to a network drive.
> It's good enough for me.
>
> You may be able to back up your phone to a "Secure Digital Card". When
> you buy a new phone, you might want to discuss with the salesperson,
> just what facilities are available for backing up your contacts.
You can get Back Up Assistant on the VZW web site. I have been using it
for quite a while. It works great. You can even print a copy off of the
computer.
>
> You may wish to have a copy in your home, one in your office, and one in
> a safe deposit box. The value of your contacts database will govern how
> much time, effort, and money you will devote to keeping your database
> intact and available.
Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Steve Sobol wrote:
>>> In article <67imd5dlb4e4lfthdrp2541qrjd3u07tal@4ax.com>,
>>> jeff.nospam@stikman.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> One issue with cloud computing was realized a few weeks ago with the
>>>> Sidekick/Danger/Microsoft issue. Their servers took a dump with a lot
>>>> of the users information. I guess they were able to restore most
>>>> users information but there are some who are just out of luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've said before, and I'll say again here, that that wasn't a problem
>>> with the cloud. That was a problem with a bunch of incompetent
>>> Microsoft jackasses letting go of everyone with a clue at Danger,
>>> failing to maintain proper backups, and then screwing themselves over
>>> (not to mention screwing T-Mobile and a bunch of their customers)
>>> when the crap hit the fan.
>>>
>>
>> I think it is the problem with "the cloud". "The cloud" is marketed as
>> some magical happy place where the sun always shines and is just so
>> much better than mere mortals could do themselves. In reality you are
>> asked to entrust your data to *who* and exactly how are they caring
>> for it? This is just another example of a mega corp cheaping out. How
>> is any user supposed to know this? How can we and why should we trust
>> "the cloud"?
>
> When you take a close look at the "Cloud" I think you will find that
> it's People+Procedures+Hardware+Software; IOW a system and one that was
> none too well designed for the purposes for which it was used.
Exactly, "the cloud" is what you described and isn't some magical entity
that is somehow just better than what us mere mortals can do.
>
> If you want something more I'm sure it's possible to arrange it. My
> phone is backed up to my PC and my PC is backed up to a network drive.
> It's good enough for me.
>
> You may be able to back up your phone to a "Secure Digital Card". When
> you buy a new phone, you might want to discuss with the salesperson,
> just what facilities are available for backing up your contacts.
>
> You may wish to have a copy in your home, one in your office, and one in
> a safe deposit box. The value of your contacts database will govern how
> much time, effort, and money you will devote to keeping your database
> intact and available.
> You may be able to back up your phone to a "Secure Digital Card". When
> you buy a new phone, you might want to discuss with the salesperson,
> just what facilities are available for backing up your contacts.
With Verizon Back-Up Assistant all you need to do
once you have your new phone is a restore to the
new phone and all the contacts are transferred.
"Pegleg" <brian.pegleg.jones@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hbkj49$adb$1@news.eternal-september.org...
: Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
:
: > You may be able to back up your phone to a "Secure Digital Card". When
: > you buy a new phone, you might want to discuss with the salesperson,
: > just what facilities are available for backing up your contacts.
:
:
: With Verizon Back-Up Assistant all you need to do
: once you have your new phone is a restore to the
: new phone and all the contacts are transferred.
Out of curiosity what does VZN charge for this feature?
Pegleg wrote:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>
>> You may be able to back up your phone to a "Secure Digital Card".
>> When you buy a new phone, you might want to discuss with the
>> salesperson, just what facilities are available for backing up your
>> contacts.
>
>
> With Verizon Back-Up Assistant all you need to do once you have your new
> phone is a restore to the new phone and all the contacts are transferred.
>
Until someone fails to make a backup and the disk crashes. It has
happened, and recently. I don't think it was VZW but it could be next
time! Somebody had his contacts stored "in the cloud" . Said cloud
proved to be about as permanent as "sky writing"!
I have my contacts in my phone, in my computer, and on paper. With a
little bit of luck that should be sufficient.
In article <hbkpeo$aav$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
"NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> : With Verizon Back-Up Assistant all you need to do
> : once you have your new phone is a restore to the
> : new phone and all the contacts are transferred.
>
> Out of curiosity what does VZN charge for this feature?
Free if you have a family plan, $1.99/mo otherwise.
In article <hbj2jn$qao$1@news.eternal-september.org>, george@nospam.invalid says...
> I think it is the problem with "the cloud". "The cloud" is marketed as
> some magical happy place where the sun always shines and is just so much
> better than mere mortals could do themselves. In reality you are asked
> to entrust your data to *who* and exactly how are they caring for it?
> This is just another example of a mega corp cheaping out. How is any
> user supposed to know this? How can we and why should we trust "the cloud"?
It could still be argued that the problem is with people being led to
expect too much. Which, really, is a marketing issue, not a technical
issue.
The problem with Danger/Microsoft managing the Sidekick data is that
either they're completely, utterly incompetent, or they are actively
attempting to undermine all of the work that Danger did before being
purchased by Microsoft. I still don't think that's a technology problem.
> Until someone fails to make a backup and the disk crashes. It has
> happened, and recently. I don't think it was VZW but it could be next
> time! Somebody had his contacts stored "in the cloud" . Said cloud
> proved to be about as permanent as "sky writing"!
You may be referring to the recent failer of the
Sidekick data which was handled by a Microsoft
subsidiary...need I say more?
Pegleg wrote:
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>
>> Until someone fails to make a backup and the disk crashes. It has
>> happened, and recently. I don't think it was VZW but it could be next
>> time! Somebody had his contacts stored "in the cloud" . Said cloud
>> proved to be about as permanent as "sky writing"!
>
> You may be referring to the recent failure of the Sidekick data which was
> handled by a Microsoft subsidiary...need I say more?
That was the incident I had in mind! About what I would expect from
them. Billzeebub is about the only genius in that outfit.
I'm going to cling to W/XP for as long as possible. I hear nothing good
about Vista!
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:45:12 -0400, John <jhy001@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Jeff Grossman wrote:
>> Verizon has released a commercial for their first android phone called
>> the Motorola Droid.
>>
>> http://droiddoes.com
>
>It has a physical keyboard. At least one strike against it for me.
To me having a real keyboard is a real plus. Count me in as very
interested in this phone. Will be visiting my VZW store when this
phone comes out to see if this is the real deal or just another
paperweight.
Diamond Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:45:12 -0400, John <jhy001@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>> Verizon has released a commercial for their first android phone called
>>> the Motorola Droid.
>>>
>>> http://droiddoes.com
>> It has a physical keyboard. At least one strike against it for me.
>
> To me having a real keyboard is a real plus.
If you do a lot of texting a physical keyboard is much better than a
virtual keyboard, but for mainly web stuff it's not worth the extra
thickness and complexity.
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