iPhone - A Guided Tour

This is WAY cool.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html

"Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:

> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
>
> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....

that's only the phone part until Skype is ported over, the rest runs on
802.11g, so it's up to you if want to use ATT or your own network.

On Jun 24, 9:18 pm, none <a...@b.com> wrote:
> "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
> > >http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour.html
>
> > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>
> that's only the phone part until Skype is ported over, the rest runs on
> 802.11g, so it's up to you if want to use ATT or your own network.

You can't buy it without a two year contract, Stinkwad.

Jesus <rustybucket666@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
> > > because
> > > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
> >
> > that's only the phone part until Skype is ported over, the rest runs on
> > 802.11g, so it's up to you if want to use ATT or your own network.
>
> You can't buy it without a two year contract, Stinkwad.

Ah, but you can immediately break the contract for $175, so keep that in
mind. Why so testy?

In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m-iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
<rick@cafe> wrote:

> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....

That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

On 6/25/07 6:59 AM, in article 250620070459403226%rag@nospam.techline.com,
"Randall Ainsworth" <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:

> In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m-iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
> <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
>> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>
> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
What part of the country are you in? Here in Houston, there isn't much of a
problem.

\Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:

> > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
> > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>
> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
(soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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> \Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>
>> > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
>> > because
>> > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>>
>> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
>
> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and then reconsider your
comment...mouse vs. elephant.

"Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:

> > yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> > get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> > Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> > (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
>
> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and then reconsider your
> comment...mouse vs. elephant.

yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
doing to Disney for a current example.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
sure.

none <a@b.com> wrote
> Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote

>>> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
>>> because you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....

>> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to,

Fantasy.

> Apple had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.

Fantasy.

> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

Fantasy.

none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rick Blaine <rick@cafe> wrote

>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple
>>> had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much
>>> better. Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT
>>> customers, (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it
>>> just won't happen.

>> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and
>> then reconsider your comment...mouse vs. elephant.

> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,

Doesnt mean that is going to happen.

> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.

Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.

> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

Different matter entirely.

> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

Another mindlessly silly fantasy.

"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-388FEB.12560925062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "Rick Blaine" <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>> > yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had
>> > to
>> > get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
>> > Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
>> > (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
>>
>> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and then reconsider your
>> comment...mouse vs. elephant.
>
> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> doing to Disney for a current example.
>
> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>
> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
> sure.

wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes,
eh? whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice. additionally,
his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some time,
and is said to be very much like whitacre, so if jobs did force something
(somehow), he didn't exactly change much.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
>
> > yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to,
>
> Fantasy.

The CEO of ATT was forced out last week. Fact.

> > Apple had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating
> > much better.
>
> Fantasy.

Intel stock and internal performance was lack-luster before they finally
won the Apple contract. Apple quickly swooped in and straightened their
design and engineering groups out. Fact.

> > Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> > (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.
>
> Fantasy.

Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
business world now. What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.

Fact.

"ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:

> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
> >
> > ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
> > sure.
>
> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes,
> eh?

yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.

> whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.

ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career, he's not
a world class CEO, it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out
of ATT started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.

Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei come to think of it.
MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine if you don't measure up to
extremely high standards.

> additionally,
> his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some time,
> and is said to be very much like whitacre,

yes, but stephenson is younger and more articulate. you can't have
mind-numbing CEO's like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not
tolerate it.

> so if jobs did force something
> (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.

but he did change things, just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a
few years ago, and then became its largest shareholder... that was a
pure Steve move and everyone knows it.

will Apple do the same to ATT? hard to say, but Apple now controls what
ATT does in terms of wireless, so they are up against a tough task
master, can ATT measure up?

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
>
> Doesnt mean that is going to happen.

of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone in
their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.

> > Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
> > up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.
>
> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.

Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement, if
stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well. that's
how steve works if you don't yet understand.

> > Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>
> Different matter entirely.

Different matter, but exact same "technique".

> > ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.
>
> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.

Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.

"none" wrote:
>
> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
> business world now.

Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)


--
Mike

"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
news:a-C461D7.14090025062007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> "ed" <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>> >
>> > ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
>> > sure.
>>
>> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of
>> eyes,
>> eh?
>
> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.

you're on crack dude.

>> whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
>> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.
>
> ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career, he's not
> a world class CEO, it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out
> of ATT started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.
>
> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei come to think of it.
> MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine if you don't measure up to
> extremely high standards.

you don't think it's maybe because sony hadn't been doing so well for the
years before?

>> additionally,
>> his replacement, stephenson, has been the heir apparent for quite some
>> time,
>> and is said to be very much like whitacre,
>
> yes, but stephenson is younger and more articulate. you can't have
> mind-numbing CEO's like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not
> tolerate it.

apple has basically no say. sorry.

>> so if jobs did force something
>> (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.
>
> but he did change things, just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a
> few years ago, and then became its largest shareholder... that was a
> pure Steve move and everyone knows it.

only delusional people 'know' it- eisner was on his way out for quite a
while before that- he had been forced down as chairman back in 2004 if you
recall, due to shareholder revolt, and a very public dispute with roy
disney. he was also widely dislike amongst disney brass. but you can go
ahead and believe it was all because jobs wanted him out...

> will Apple do the same to ATT? hard to say, but Apple now controls what
> ATT does in terms of wireless, so they are up against a tough task
> master, can ATT measure up?

none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> none <a@b.com> wrote
>>> Rick Blaine <rick@cafe> wrote

>>>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple
>>>>> had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much
>>>>> better. Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT
>>>>> customers, (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it
>>>>> just won't happen.

>>>> Take a look at the revenues for Apple vs. ATT and
>>>> then reconsider your comment...mouse vs. elephant.

>>> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,

>> Doesnt mean that is going to happen.

> of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
> in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.

Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.

>>> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
>>> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.

>> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.

> Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,

Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
http://www.forbes.com/leadership/man...ml?partner=rss

and a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that anyway.

> if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.

Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.

> that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.

Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.

>>> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

>> Different matter entirely.

> Different matter, but exact same "technique".

Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

>>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

>> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.

> Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.

You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

none <a@b.com> wrote
> ed <news@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote

>>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376

>>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100% sure.

>> wow, you apple fans sure do see the world through a different set of eyes, eh?

> yeah, apple users see things as they are, no fluff, that's for sure.

Fantasy. You're so stupid that you havent even noticed that Stephenson
has been part of ATT for longer than Jobs has been around for, and that
Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT.

>> D whitacre is retiring from att only a year early, at 65, and there's
>> been nothing to suggest it was anything other han by choice.

> ah, his performance at MacWorld spelled the end of his career,

Another mindlessly silly pig ignorant fantasy.

> he's not a world class CEO,

Wrong again. Pity about what he managed to achieve with ATT.

> it was clearly apparent. The process to push him out of ATT
> started the moment he "finally" got off the MacWorld stage.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

> Same thing happened to the SONY CEO, Nobuyuki Idei
> come to think of it. MacWorld keynotes are like a guillotine
> if you don't measure up to extremely high standards.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

>> additionally, his replacement, stephenson, has
>> been the heir apparent for quite some time,

Many years in fact.

>> and is said to be very much like whitacre,

> yes, but stephenson is younger

Irrelevant to your stupid claim that he retired because Jobs pushed him out.

Jobs gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT or anything much outside Apple either.

> and more articulate. you can't have mind-numbing CEO's
> like whitacre near Apple products. Apple will not tolerate it.

How odd that they chose ATT for their iphone.

And Apple gets no say what so ever on who runs ATT, ever.

The most Apple ever gets to do is decide who they want to get
involved with for their iphone, and even you must have noticed
that they chose ATT with whitacre driving that particular bus.

>> so if jobs did force something (somehow), he didn't exactly change much.

> but he did change things,

Not in ATT he didnt.

> just like how he pushed Eisner out of Disney a few
> years ago, and then became its largest shareholder...

Pity about all the other shareholders. That left Job's shareholding for dead.

> that was a pure Steve move and everyone knows it.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

> will Apple do the same to ATT?

Nope, Jobs aint got enough money for that and isnt stupid enough
to have not grasped that ATT cant be changed that much anyway.

> hard to say,

Nope, easy to say actually. You watch.

> but Apple now controls what ATT does in terms of wireless,

Like hell it does.

> so they are up against a tough task master, can ATT measure up?

Probably not, and Apple gets to like that or lump it. They've got nowhere
else to go and havent got a hope in hell of going it alone either.

none <a@b.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

>>> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to,

>> Fantasy.

> The CEO of ATT was forced out last week.

No he wasnt, he chose to retire, after a VERY long time driving that bus, 17 years in fact.

> Fact.

Fantasy.

>>> Apple had to get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.

>> Fantasy.

> Intel stock and internal performance was lack-luster
> before they finally won the Apple contract.

Another pig ignorant fantasy. What actually happened is that Intel finally
got its act into gear with the Core 2 Duo, and got the jump on AMD
for the first time in a hell of a long time. Nothing to do with Apple at all.

> Apple quickly swooped in and straightened their design and engineering groups out.

Pure fantasy. Never happened.

> Fact.

Pure fantasy actually.

>>> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
>>> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

>> Fantasy.

> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
> controls much of the business world now.

Pigs arse he does, fuck all of it, actually.

> What he says moves markets faster than anyone alive.

Another pig ignorant lie.

> Fact.

Pure fantasy actually.

Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote
> none wrote

>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the business world now.

> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that delusional Mac zealotry was
> essentially a myth.)

Yeah, never actually seen one that mindlessly rabid till now.

Corse this is the fool that mindlessly claimed that the arch is the
strongest design element you can choose. too. Pig ignorant drivel.

On 2007-06-25, Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote:
> "none" wrote:
>>
>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
>> business world now.
>
> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

Yet it is true that SJ is highly influential in the world
of digital content provision. Just think of the impact
his 2007-02-06 "Thoughts on Music" piece had in the music
industry (161,000 Google hits for "Steve Jobs" "Thoughts on
Music". He blamed the "big four" music companies for creating
interoperability issues by their insistence on using DRM, and
suggested that they should reconsider.

Just under two months later Apple announce the availability of
DRM-free music from EMI on the iTMS. Yes it could be coincidence.
EMI might have changed their mind anyway. But it seems that
this sort of thing has happened too many times for it to be
coincidence. Apple have a massive share both of the portable
player market and the digital audio download market. This is
bound to give them a huge huge influence in the industry
regardless of what the Mac zealots say or do.

Ian

--
Ian Gregory
http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/

Oh good lord, is there no end to the stupidity of the apple fanboys?


"none" <a@b.com> wrote in message
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> \Randall Ainsworth <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless
because
> > > you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
> >
> > That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.
>
> yeah, but if ATT doesn't shape up Apple will force them to, Apple had to
> get Intel in line a year or so ago, now Intel is operating much better.
> Apple is pretty demanding and they simply won't allow ATT customers,
> (soon iPhone customers) to receive poor service. it just won't happen.

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Tinman <ask@for.it> wrote

>>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
>>> controls much of the business world now.

>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought
>> that delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

> I think he was being sarcastic.

'think' again, he clearly wasnt.

It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]

> yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> doing to Disney for a current example.

Apple is only technically 10 years old?


*boggle*

"Michelle Steiner" wrote:
> "Tinman" wrote:
>> > Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ) controls much of the
>> > business world now.
>>
>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought that
>> delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)
>
> I think he was being sarcastic.

Think again.


--
Mike

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote

>>>>> Apple at this point (or more technically, SJ)
>>>>> controls much of the business world now.

>>>> Holy crap, you people really do exist. (Up till now I thought
>>>> that delusional Mac zealotry was essentially a myth.)

>>> I think he was being sarcastic.

>> 'think' again, he clearly wasnt.

> After reading more of his drivel, I have to agree.

>> It actually believes that mindlessly silly crap.

> Either that or he is trolling.

Nar, have a look at its posting history, its actually silly enough to believe it.

Randall Ainsworth wrote:
> In article <7s6dnT2Rx6m-iuLbnZ2dnUVZ_tCtnZ2d@comcast.com>, Rick Blaine
> <rick@cafe> wrote:
>
>> Yup, a really neat piece of equipment. Too bad it's next to useless because
>> you have to be on the Stinkular network to use it....
>
> That's the deal breaker for me. Cingular/AT&T is terrible.

I haven't had any trouble with Cingular yet, other than their terrible
pricing for data plans.

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote:

> > yes, but ATT is a very old school company with much to learn from Apple,
> > Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape up ATT quite
> > quickly with a few succinct recommendations. Just look at what steve is
> > doing to Disney for a current example.
>
> Apple is only technically 10 years old?
>
> *boggle*

As a business it is, name a single person that is still in the top 2,000
that was there 10 years ago, bet you can't. Steve cleared out Apple when
he returned in 1997. Thus, Apple is "technically 10 years old".

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > of course, but it puts all the pressure on ATT to keep the best phone
> > in their portfolio, ATT will have to bend to keep Apple happy.
>
> Nope, ATT knows that Apple cant change horses now.

Sure it can, ATT is just a puppet to Apple. If they don't have the
iPhone they don't have a successful enterprise.

But don't worry, ATT needs Apple so they'll bend over backwards to keep
them in the fold.

> >>> Apple is really only technically 10 years old and can shape
> >>> up ATT quite quickly with a few succinct recommendations.
>
> >> Fantasy, those dinosaurs NEVER respond to that sort of thing.
>
> > Ah, whitacre is gone within 6 months of the iphone announcement,
>
> Nothing to do with the iphone announcement at all,
> http://www.forbes.com/leadership/man...randall-att-fa
> ce-cx_er_0427autofacescan01.html?partner=rss

Sure it was.

> a change in the monkey at the top doesnt change a dinosaur like that
> anyway.
>
> > if stephenson doesn't measure up, apple will push him out as well.
>
> Apple didnt push whitacre out, and gets no say on who runs ATT anyway.

gosh, you are clueless on how all this worked. I know you aren't close
to the situation, but come on.

> > that's how steve works if you don't yet understand.
>
> Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT.

Ah, only 80% since he owns the primary phone at this point the game.

> >>> Just look at what steve is doing to Disney for a current example.
> >>> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...S&NewsID=18376
>
> >> Different matter entirely.
>
> > Different matter, but exact same "technique".
>
> Nope. Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or how it operates either.

Gosh, you are totally clueless. ATT is desperate for Apple to show them
the way, and Steve is the guide. ATT is just a pawn in Apple's overall
game plan.

> >>> ATT just replaced their boss, that was steve's move, you can be 100%
> >>> sure.
>
> >> Another mindlessly silly fantasy.
>
> > Nope! You just don't understand how Apple operates, yet.
>
> You've never understood how things work, Jobs gets no say on who runs ATT or
> how it operates either.

Just wait a year, if stephenson doesn't work, steve will push him out.
Apple is much stronger than ATT in the business world, and you continue
to ignore that fact.