Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <13in02u1hvqma07@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Joel Koltner" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The TIME article is correct that Steve Jobs main
>> contribution is that he considers style & usability to be on equal footing
>> with technology itself.
>
> Except for when he doesn't. Like his newest operating system.
>
> Steve Jobs is a little child who throws tantrums and who, when he gets
> an idea in his head, refuses to acknowledge that it might be a bad idea
> and forces his developers to implement it.
>
Yup, just like Billy Bob Gates. Jobs and Gates; two spoiled brats that
need to be spanked.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
> Edge is too slow to be useful for a number of tasks... IMHO, Jobs panned
> 3G as being a power hog as the 'company line' for not including it... I
> suspect the story behind the scenes is quite different.. Most likely
> couldn't get past an engineering hurdle before they needed to launch
> it.. but I am speculating..
More likely, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a 3G chipset. What
he's selling in iPhone is a combination of slightly obsolete components
(EDGE chipset, low resolution display) that he could pick up on the cheap.
>>> No GPS
>> GPS might not yet be ready for the iPhone's level of needs.
More like, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a GPS chipset.
>> Ah, I think you mean GREAT PDA functionality, Apple invented PDA's so
>> this is just an extension of Apple's original dream.
Apple most certainly did not invent the PDA. The Newton was a rehash of a
Sharp product that already existed in the Japanese market. Sharp decided
to go with its far superior Zaurus architecture instead (the first model,
the PI-3000 was in 1994) and dumped the older stuff. Apple picked up the
rights to the older technology for a song, changed the firmware, and
called it Newton.
Incidentally, Steve Jobs hated Newton (it was Sculley's project, not his)
and killed it as soon as he had the chance.
Note that Sharp's 1996 Zaurus MI-10 was the first color PDA ever. I no
longer have my Zaurus PI-3000, but I still have a PI-6000 and an MI-10.
>>> No memory expansion..
>> Ah, you are forgetting how iTunes works, syncing makes for little need
>> for expansion when iTunes does this automatically.
Undoubtably, Oxford will be singing the praises of the model that allows
an external memory card.
>> VoIP is still in the formative stages. iChat does this now so it's only
>> a matter of time before it can be moved to the iPhone. Apple tends to
>> wait until the time is right, not push out inferior products before they
>> are ready.
More like, Apple missed the boat on VOIP and now can't get on board
without having to pay a huge amount of royalties to someone else.
> I use it all the time.. more so than the standard cell phone... Voice
> quality is perfectly fine... Again, the reason was probably more
> dependent on ATT not wanting the iPhone to circumvent their 'per minute'
> plans than any view that VOIP is an immature technology..
Another reason why iPhone is not 3G. Skype works fine on 3G, but not on
EDGE.
>>> Touch Screen?
>> Yes, it's the best on the market.
Tell that to a Nokia N800 owner who has a touch screen with twice as many
pixels, or a user of a UMPC who has a touch screen with four times as many
pixels.
You don't have to do all that zooming and unzooming if you have enough
pixels.
> Like everything else, we will see.. Remember the Newton? The Lisa?
> They were all visions of the future, Apple will show the world, etc...
It'll be fun to watch the hew and cry and tearing of hair when iPhone is
cancelled.
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
On Nov 1, 7:22 pm, Oxford <colalovesm...@smart.com> wrote:
> Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
> iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> This goes without question of course, nothing so remarkable has ever
> been introduced to the phone market probably since the rotary dial or
> original phone back in 1876.
Okay, I went to Wal*mart and bought a rotary phone and answering
machine for 30 bucks.
turns out they are right
That only leaves a small fridge. That's a luxary item for sodas. I
may
check at Goodwill, tomorrow.
mk5000
"battery 1-12.2V battery 2-11.6V
About an hour after the last check, the stereo was no longer
picking
up the radio station and the lights were dimmer. The whole time, the
monitor showed batteries as being at rock-bottom."--vw in ca
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
In article <A7rWi.17908$JD.15681@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net >,
"LHA" <nobody@nobody1.com1> wrote:
> "Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
> news:colalovesmacs-6DD99A.14373101112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> > iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> A magazine for liberal idiots, run by liberal idiots.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> > Edge is too slow to be useful for a number of tasks... IMHO, Jobs panned
> > 3G as being a power hog as the 'company line' for not including it... I
> > suspect the story behind the scenes is quite different.. Most likely
> > couldn't get past an engineering hurdle before they needed to launch
> > it.. but I am speculating..
>
> More likely, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a 3G chipset. What
> he's selling in iPhone is a combination of slightly obsolete components
> (EDGE chipset, low resolution display) that he could pick up on the cheap.
no it's well documented that 3G chips run too hot/consume too much power
to be useable as of yet.
> >>> No GPS
> >> GPS might not yet be ready for the iPhone's level of needs.
>
> More like, Jobs couldn't get a good enough deal on a GPS chipset.
well, it's probably related to the upcoming spectrum sale, GPS doesn't
go through roofs / walls, but apple probably has a plan to get around
that so they are holding out for something better.
> >> Ah, I think you mean GREAT PDA functionality, Apple invented PDA's so
> >> this is just an extension of Apple's original dream.
>
> Apple most certainly did not invent the PDA. The Newton was a rehash of a
> Sharp product that already existed in the Japanese market. Sharp decided
> to go with its far superior Zaurus architecture instead (the first model,
> the PI-3000 was in 1994) and dumped the older stuff. Apple picked up the
> rights to the older technology for a song, changed the firmware, and
> called it Newton.
mark, you make everyone laugh with ignorance like that, Apple certainly
did create the first PDA, they even coined the term!
apple's newton even to this day is more advanced than most PDA's, apple
innovated hard on the PDA and still own plenty of patents that nobody
else can use for a few more years.
> Incidentally, Steve Jobs hated Newton (it was Sculley's project, not his)
> and killed it as soon as he had the chance.
correct. "i don't like scribbly things" is a well known quote... he was
back for about a year then when he cleared out all the old macs, the
newton went with them.
> Note that Sharp's 1996 Zaurus MI-10 was the first color PDA ever. I no
> longer have my Zaurus PI-3000, but I still have a PI-6000 and an MI-10.
yes, but those were crap compared to the newton.
> >>> No memory expansion..
> >> Ah, you are forgetting how iTunes works, syncing makes for little need
> >> for expansion when iTunes does this automatically.
>
> Undoubtably, Oxford will be singing the praises of the model that allows
> an external memory card.
well, you really don't need more memory when you have iTunes doing all
the syncing. Auto sync is a marvel, so having a fixed 8GB is about 4
times more than most smartphones so it's not a problem.
> >> VoIP is still in the formative stages. iChat does this now so it's only
> >> a matter of time before it can be moved to the iPhone. Apple tends to
> >> wait until the time is right, not push out inferior products before they
> >> are ready.
>
> More like, Apple missed the boat on VOIP and now can't get on board
> without having to pay a huge amount of royalties to someone else.
no, apple has had VoIP since the mid 90's, it's just when the time is
right is when Apple will enter. They don't rush things so it's better
for the consumer that way.
> > I use it all the time.. more so than the standard cell phone... Voice
> > quality is perfectly fine... Again, the reason was probably more
> > dependent on ATT not wanting the iPhone to circumvent their 'per minute'
> > plans than any view that VOIP is an immature technology..
>
> Another reason why iPhone is not 3G. Skype works fine on 3G, but not on
> EDGE.
yes, but you rarely on are on EDGE with an iPhone, it uses normal WiFi
so 90% of the time you don't need 3G.
> >>> Touch Screen?
> >> Yes, it's the best on the market.
>
> Tell that to a Nokia N800 owner who has a touch screen with twice as many
> pixels, or a user of a UMPC who has a touch screen with four times as many
> pixels.
yes, but the screen quality is poor on the N800, touch doesn't respond
well, you still have to use a stylus, no multi-touch so it's quite
worthless if you want a higher quality screen / more responsive touch
screen.
> You don't have to do all that zooming and unzooming if you have enough
> pixels.
in other words, Nokia doesn't have Core Graphics / Core Animation so
they are kinda stuck in the 90's compared to the iPhone / OSX.
> > Like everything else, we will see.. Remember the Newton? The Lisa?
> > They were all visions of the future, Apple will show the world, etc...
>
> It'll be fun to watch the hew and cry and tearing of hair when iPhone is
> cancelled.
considering it's by far the best selling smartphone that won't happen
for 20-40 or more years. the UK and Germany come online in just 7 Days!
so there's another 500,000 that first month. the iPhone will be known as
the primary cell/smartphone people of the world use from here on out.
> > nobody has done an ipod in a cell phone before.
>
> Now that's just silly. Sure, manybe not packaged witih the phone itself, but
> Palm and Windows and probably even Symbian phones have long had *many*
> iPod-like media players to choose from.
ipod "like" but not an ipod, so that's a huge difference for the user.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Tony <tony@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> No user-replaceable battery
> >
> > Incorrect, it's $20 for a user to replace the iPhone battery
>
> Doesn't it require the user to send the phone in to Apple, and then pay
> for a rental iPhone if they cannot be without one for more than 10 days?
> or has Apple changed their stance on it? I did say 'user-replaceable'...
why would you do that? the iphone is just like the ipod, it's $20 for a
new battery after 3-5 years, there are tons of video instructions on how
to do it.
yes, apple does offer a 3 day concierge service with use of a loaner
phone, but that's just for people willing to spend an extra $60 for the
convenience.
but sure, most people will do it themselves, just like any other ipod.
or get a new one in 3-4 years anyway and let someone buy it for $200 and
replace the battery on their own. then they have a $220 iphone for the
next 3-4 year rotation, repeat.
> >iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm seeing
> this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that contraption.
not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.
remember, this is USENET... love it or leave it. you have a choice...
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Simon Templar <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote:
> > So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm
> > seeing
> > this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that
> > contraption.
> >
> > Art
>
> Ah, yes. I believe it would be called SPAMMING.
incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
information.
while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford wrote:
> incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
> information.
>
> while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.
CRAP iPhone is important to bugger all people. I am happy with my
Nokia, so PISS OFF and stop SPAMMING!
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> art.shapiro@unisys.com (Arthur Shapiro) wrote:
>
> > >iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
> >
> > So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm
> > seeing this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that
> > contraption.
>
> not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.
Incorrect.
You included comp.sys.mac.advocacy which has no relevence to the iPhone
whatsoever.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>
> incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
> information.
>
> while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.
>
> you can learn more here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/gettings...uidedtour.html
Actually considering that you posted this in newsgroups that have
nothing to do with apple, or att wireless I am thinking that it is
indeed spam.
One definition of spamming says this: the use of mailing lists to
blanket Usenet groups or private e-mail boxes with indiscrimination,
unsolicited messages of a promotional nature.
Looking at the group of newsgroups that are receiving your
'information', lets see there is verizon, nokia, t-mobile, and
sprintpcs. hmm checking for iphones in those newsgroups.... nope no
iphones made by nokia, or for verizon t-mobile or sprintpcs... next
time, please be considerate enough to limit your 'information' to
those groups that would actually desire information on such a phone.
Thank you very much for your consideration.
> > not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> You included comp.sys.mac.advocacy which has no relevence to the iPhone
> whatsoever.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Gene Jones wrote:
> Tony <tony@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> No MMS messages
>
> not needed by 99% of users
>
>> No 3G
>
> kills battery life, WiFi is much faster and more common / free.
>
>> No GPS
>
> GPS might not yet be ready for the iPhone's level of needs.
>
>> No user-replaceable battery
>
> Incorrect, it's $20 for a user to replace the iPhone battery
>
>> Poor PDA functionality
>
> Ah, I think you mean GREAT PDA functionality, Apple invented PDA's so
> this is just an extension of Apple's original dream.
>
>> Restrictive terms of use...
>
> ? Use is the exact same as any smartphone.
>
>> No memory expansion..
>
> Ah, you are forgetting how iTunes works, syncing makes for little need
> for expansion when iTunes does this automatically.
>
>> Have to PAY for ringtones?
>
> no you don't, use iToner.
>
> http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/itoner/
>
>> 2 Megapixel Camera
>
> Megapixels have little to do with image quality, the Lens in the iPhone
> is higher grade than most any smartphone or cellphone.
>
>> No output to TV
>
> Apple offers cables to output TV from any iPhone or (most) any iPod.
>
>> VOIP?
>
> VoIP is still in the formative stages. iChat does this now so it's only
> a matter of time before it can be moved to the iPhone. Apple tends to
> wait until the time is right, not push out inferior products before they
> are ready.
>
>> Touch Screen?
>
> Yes, it's the best on the market. The Multi-Touch tech is a revolution
> that only Apple will have for the next 17 years. The use of "Gestures"
> has been a long held research project of Apple. Even the CEO of MS was
> shocked / impressed by how good Apple did it with the iPhone.
>
> Flicking through data with a single finger is unreal. The future of all
> phones in the 18 year time frame.
>
> -----
Apple really didn't invent anything. Just marketed ideas, some dating back
to the late 60's. Your real browser as it were, is based on KHTML which
belongs to the KDE community. I couldn't consider a browser, regardless of
rendering engine, being viewed on a screen only a tiny fraction the area of
a typical 19" monitor, "real" browsing.
As far as wifi, the reason it typically draws less current is because most
of them put out less than 100mw and you need to be within 500 feet of a
Latte as it were for it to do any good. Cellular devices typically can
output ten times that at 850mhz and twenty times that on 1.9ghz. There is
no free lunch here. Power dissipation in watts is power dissipation and it
does not matter how you arrived at a specific power dissipation. Of course
if you are closer to a cell tower, the tower controls the output of your
device and throttles it back. Translation: In a weaker area, you will use
more battery power. With WiFi, it won't use much power because it doesn't
have it to use in the first place. I do like the WiFi and the SIP phone
feature of my chosen Multimedia Cellular device though so I'm not totally
bashing WiFi.
Seeing as how the rate of change is quite high these days, was 70% a year
back in the 70's and I'm sure it is mind numbingly fast these days, there
is no accurate way to predict what will be in vogue for the next decade or
more and nothing that is used in the iPhone is earth shattering, it is a
collection of existing technology with a marketing trademark slapped on it
and a HUGE advertising budget. To me, if it had a holographic virtual
screen and virtual keyboard as well as virtual touch on the virtual screen
in thin air rather than on the physical device itself, THEN it would be
revolutionary. The problem with all these small multimedia gadjets is that
you are limited to real estate a third the size of a paperback book, sorry
but this won't do.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Peter Hayes wrote:
> You included comp.sys.mac.advocacy which has no relevence to the iPhone
> whatsoever.
As comp.sys.mac.advocacy is the hangout of the Apple fanboys, it is
precisely the correct place where debunking of Apple fanboy propaganda
needs to take place.
If you don't like it, then keep your fanboy sewage off the Verizon, Nokia,
T-Mobile, and Sprint PCS newsgroups.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-24CBDA.21402702112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
> Simon Templar <usenet@vk3xem.net> wrote:
>
>> > So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm
>> > seeing
>> > this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that
>> > contraption.
>> >
>> > Art
>>
>> Ah, yes. I believe it would be called SPAMMING.
>
> incorrect. spamming is sending out massive waves of non-topical
> information.
>
> while news & information about the iphone is important to all of us.
>
Hey asshole!!
The iPhone drivel isn't wanted in a Verizon newsgroup.
YOU and your sock puppet nom de jours post in this
and the other non-Apple newsgroups to primarily TROLL.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-45E56D.21365102112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net...
> art.shapiro@unisys.com (Arthur Shapiro) wrote:
>
>> >iPhone is the invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
>>
>> So why are you cross-posting this to every group and its mother? I'm
>> seeing
>> this on the T-Mobile group, which I believe doesn't support that
>> contraption.
>
> not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.
>
> remember, this is USENET... love it or leave it. you have a choice...
Hey asshole!!
The iPhone drivel isn't wanted in a Verizon newsgroup.
YOU and your sock puppet nom de jours post in this
and the other non-Apple newsgroups to primarily TROLL.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> notinuse2@btinternet.com (Peter Hayes) wrote:
>
> > > not sure what you mean. only groups affected by the iPhone were included.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > You included comp.sys.mac.advocacy which has no relevence to the iPhone
> > whatsoever.
>
> ah, it runs OSX so there is a strong connection.
No, it's like spamming performance vehicle newsgroups with posts about
the Ford Transit just because they both run on petrol.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
In news:colalovesmacs-90154C.21021602112007@mpls-nnrp-06.inet.qwest.net,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> typed:
> "Joel Koltner" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> nobody has done an ipod in a cell phone before.
>>
>> Now that's just silly. Sure, manybe not packaged witih the phone
>> itself, but Palm and Windows and probably even Symbian phones have long
>> had *many* iPod-like media players to choose from.
>
> ipod "like" but not an ipod, so that's a huge difference for the user.
Only to those who think "if it don't say Apple, in can't by any good". lol
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> Let's see, you've spent the last few months sending out massive waves of
> non-topical information to a wide variety of newsgroups.
>
> How is it, then, that you're not spamming? Tell us more.
Actually please don't tell us more, we have had enough of this clowns SPAM.
--
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belong to.
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> The iPhone drivel isn't wanted in a Verizon newsgroup.
>
> YOU and your sock puppet nom de jours post in this
> and the other non-Apple newsgroups to primarily TROLL.
>
> We don't want it - kindly fuck off.
You don't seem rational on this topic or about your future.
You need to LEARN about Apple's iPhone in every way you can! there is no
other choice at this point. Look at what happened to every other Music
Player, Apple is going to DO THE SAME thing to the Cell Industry.
So complain or accept, those are your 2 choices.
Fortune has a great article today of what is going to happen throughout
the World:
Great READING!
---
According to Key, it started with an early morning call on a wet
Saturday morning from his boss, Peter Erskine.
² Weıve had a call from Apple,ı said Peter. They want us to be in
Cupertino in California on Tuesdayı.² Key, who runs the UKıs largest
mobile network operator, boasting 18m customers, didnıt have to ask why.
Key showed up at Apple headquarters that Tuesday morning with two
executives from Telefonica, O2ıs Spanish owner. They were ushered into
Jobsı office. He was wearing his trademark jeans, black top, and
trainers.
²Heıs a hugely impressive guy, hugely impressive guy,² beams Key,
remembering his first encounter with the legendary Apple founder. ²He
clearly knows his stuff in a level of detail that for someone at that
level is mindblowing, and he has a great incisiveness in terms of what
the customer wants and needs in products.²
Jobs and his henchmen wanted a single network partner but still
didnıt know how they were going to launch the iPhone in the UK; unlike
Key, once Jobs had shown him the device.
²I played with it for two minutes and just thought, oh my God, this
is leagues above anything Iıve ever seen beforeı,² he gushes (to be
fair, so do most people whoıve seen the device). ²If you see the photo
functionality, watch videos on it on YouTube, or the weather, or just
see the threading on the texting, or the visual voicemail.²
Appleıs representatives hammered out the deal with Keyıs team in Slough
the following Saturday ²over Marks & Spencerıs sandwiches.² Key disputes
as ³rubbish² reports that O2 struck what one competitor called a ³madly
money-losing deal,² signing over to Cupertino as much as 40% of monthly
revenues. ³²Itıs sour grapes,² he said. ³We donıt sign bad deals.² He
did not offer any contract details, but said he was confident O2 would
make money over the life of the contract, during which he expects 3/4 of
British iPhone customers to come from rival networks.
Everyone in the CELL industry needs to LEARN everything is now DIFFERENT.
APPLE CONTROLS the Cell market now, so learn how they operate or go
under.
Nokia is now a weak pawn in Apple's game, so are all other vendors.
Nobody can compete against Apple in the cell game, they simply don't
have the MASSIVE experience in the phone market that Apple has. Apple
STARTED over 30 years ago with "phones". FREE PHONE CALLS THROUGHOUT the
WORLD. Plus they have the most experience in building small devices,
Nokia and others don't have that skill.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:
> > You included comp.sys.mac.advocacy which has no relevence to the iPhone
> > whatsoever.
>
> As comp.sys.mac.advocacy is the hangout of the Apple fanboys, it is
> precisely the correct place where debunking of Apple fanboy propaganda
> needs to take place.
>
> If you don't like it, then keep your fanboy sewage off the Verizon, Nokia,
> T-Mobile, and Sprint PCS newsgroups.
well, i think you mean CSMA is the hangout of the most intelligent
people involved with computing. The geniuses there far outweigh most any
other group on USENET. It's kinda like the Apple Genius Bar with color.
Yes, I do understand that you might not want to measure up to that
level, but what they have to say is important. And spells the future of
all other technical groups within the USENET hierarchy.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
none wrote:
>
> mark, you make everyone laugh with ignorance like that, Apple certainly
> did create the first PDA, they even coined the term!
I suggest you look before 1993 when Newtown came out.
PSION came out with its EPOC/SIBO PDAs before that. And before that, we
had many different "glorified calculators" that acted as PDA such as the
Casio BOSS.
Its first PDA was in 1984, 9 years before the Newtown. The EPOC based
ones came out before 1991 (the MC series, but I don't have a date). 1991
saw the introduction of the Series 3 PDA (2 years prior to newtown) with
not only all the PDA functions but also networking with computers,
ability to install new applications and a fully pre emptive multitasking
system with interprocess communications. (EPOC on the 16 bit processors
(80286 equivalents).
Sculley claiming he invented PDA is just as credible as those who say Al
Gore invented the internet. I don't wish to diminish the Newtown which
was a great leap forwards in software/hardware.
> in other words, Nokia doesn't have Core Graphics / Core Animation so
> they are kinda stuck in the 90's compared to the iPhone / OSX.
Ironic that Nokia is based on Symbian which is the 32 bit version of
EPOC that PSION rewrote from scratch before throwing in the towel and
donating EPOC to the consortium that bought it (forming Symbian).
There were many things very wrong with the first versions of EPOC 32 as
released by PSION on its Series 5 PDA, but they were things that mobile
manufacturers liked: PROPRIETARY EVERYTHING.
It took a very long time for Nokia to start to do anything with Symbian
OS because it realised it needed a lot of work to make it useful in an
open world (like supporting standard image file formats) and of course,
it needed to rewrite the UI portion of EPOC to fit mobile phones (which
PSION had cleverly split from the kernel to allow just that).
Not sure if Nokia still uses the epoc proprietary networking protocol.
The protocol itself, first used on the Series 3 was full function,
similar to DECNET. From a PC you could start tasks on the PDA and vice
versa. On the PDA, you could not only get file lists from the PC, but
you could use PSION apps to just open those files as if they were local
(and save them as if they were local). For the 32 bit EPOC' (aka:
Symbian OS) only part of the protocol was implemented, and it was no
longer peer to peer, there was a master and slave, and no ability to
start tasks etc. The PDA could no longer access files on the remote
machine, not interface with another PDA directly.
The networking protocol, was first implemented well before the Newton
and was very much more advanced than any other PDA around.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
dafydd wrote:
> Actually considering that you posted this in newsgroups that have
> nothing to do with apple, or att wireless I am thinking that it is
> indeed spam.
While it may be true on the face of it, it is also important to everyone
to know what is happening to iphone because this will impact other
networks and other phone manufacturers.
iphone is a huge marketing project that could reshape the mobile
industry depending on how Apple behaves as it sets new precedents (such
as revenu sharing).
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
JF Mezei wrote:
> iphone is a huge marketing project that could reshape the mobile
> industry depending on how Apple behaves as it sets new precedents (such
> as revenue sharing)...
...and encouraging serial fanboi spammers like Oxford et al.
"Bill Gates" <im@IEdiedtoday.com> wrote in message
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>
> You don't seem rational on this topic or about your future.
>
> You need to LEARN about Apple's iPhone in every way you can! there is no
> other choice at this point. Look at what happened to every other Music
> Player, Apple is going to DO THE SAME thing to the Cell Industry.
>
> So complain or accept, those are your 2 choices.
>
Au contraire, I'm completely rational.
Just irritated that I have to continue to endure your wacky fanboy
fantasies.
The fact that you consider your inane drivel rational, is the real joke
here.
My CHOICE is to wonder why you see the need to use sock puppets.
And make yourself look foolish - (more so than you have already)
My CHOICE is to KNOW, beyond ANY doubt that you are a troll, a moron
and that you suffer from delusions of some kind. Thinking you know all
when in fact it has been demonstrated, time and time again - you know
zip, nada, zilch.
Oh, BTW, your infallible Apple - ISN'T - Leopard Has More Holes than Spots
Leopard's firewall is a mess, say researchers, shutting off by default and
allowing connections even under "block all."
Security has slipped backwards on the evolutionary ladder in Apple's latest
Mac OS X release, security researchers say, with Leopard's firewall having
more holes than its namesake cat has spots.
"The short answer is the Leopard firewall is ... ugly and a step backwards
from 10.4," said Rich Mogull, an independent security consultant .
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Mark Thompson" <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> well, i think you mean CSMA is the hangout of the most intelligent
> people involved with computing. The geniuses there far outweigh most any
> other group on USENET. It's kinda like the Apple Genius Bar with color.
>
> Yes, I do understand that you might not want to measure up to that
> level, but what they have to say is important. And spells the future of
> all other technical groups within the USENET hierarchy.
Oxford - Stick to one name - you moron.
This sock puppet shit is indicative of what an ass you continue to be.
I have no idea why you do it, but it really makes you worse than you already
do.
Not quite as much as the actual content of your fanatical fanboy fantasies.
But certainly the sock puppets - along with the completely wacky shit you
post
show all who have to endure it - that you have a very tenuous grip on
reality.
There are meds that can probably treat your disorder.... get help.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Fortune has a great article today of what is going to happen throughout
> > the World:
> >
> > Great READING!
>
> So it's been established that you CAN read.
>
> So, Oxford: who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
> in Steve Jobs's world?
The mystery of that question is clearly in your court. Nobody has come
up with any "crucial" contribution she has made to Apple/SJ.
So it's fully up to you to share your "secret" or forever play the fool.
Re: iPhone is the Invention of the YEAR - TIME Magazine
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> Let's see, you've spent the last few months sending out massive waves of
> non-topical information to a wide variety of newsgroups.
>
> How is it, then, that you're not spamming? Tell us more.
So, Elmo... who is Adele Goldberg, and what crucial role did she play
in Steve Jobs's world?
For some reason you can't come up with an answer. Everyone will be
laughing at you until you do.
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