On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:05:04 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a441ec0$0$48220$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>> >>
>> >> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>> >
>> >what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
>>
>> Really? Citation?
>
>AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
>
>look it up yourself
>
>> >but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
>> >summer.
>>
>> Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
>
>AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
>
>next time, try and keep up on the news, you probably still don't know
>that Michael Jackson is dead.
Next time, read your cite before posting --
it doesn't say what you claim.
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:49:47 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in
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>"News" <News@Group.name> wrote in message
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>> And that iToy users are suckers, a target rich environment, for online ad
>> placement and exploits. Enjoy your ethereal status, fanbois!
>
>It's hard to blame the "fanbois" for the hand they're dealt. They (at least
>in the US) get unlimited data and a phone that defaults to full size web
>pages instead of mobile XHTML/WAP pages.
Most reasonably current handsets actually reformat standard Web for the
small screen.
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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>>> And that iToy users are suckers, a target rich environment, for online
>>> ad
>>> placement and exploits. Enjoy your ethereal status, fanbois!
>>
>>It's hard to blame the "fanbois" for the hand they're dealt. They (at
>>least
>>in the US) get unlimited data and a phone that defaults to full size web
>>pages instead of mobile XHTML/WAP pages.
>
> Most reasonably current handsets actually reformat standard Web for the
> small screen.
Yes, if there's no mobile page of that particular site, and the
"reformatting" is often far less than successful on sites with frames, or
other funky formatting.
Websites with mobile versions typically serve up the mobile version based on
the handset's user agent, so the handset doesn't have to reformat anything.
Most smartphone browsers (Opera Mobile, Opera Mini, Netfront, Skyfire, IE
Mobile 6,) allow you to select whether the user agent will report the device
as a mobile device, or a desktop PC, which is important for websites with no
manual override. (YouTube, or the BBC, for example, let you toggle between
mobile and desktop versions by clicking a link on the site. Some sites
don't, and simply follow the UA.)
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:26:24 -0600, "Todd Allcock"
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in <S5Y0m.7462$Zc7.2597@newsfe22.iad>:
>"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>news:ifi845hu5okf4pf1cr5et2oalcvm2pnaoj@4ax.com.. .
>>>It's hard to blame the "fanbois" for the hand they're dealt. They (at
>>>least
>>>in the US) get unlimited data and a phone that defaults to full size web
>>>pages instead of mobile XHTML/WAP pages.
>>
>> Most reasonably current handsets actually reformat standard Web for the
>> small screen.
>
>Yes, if there's no mobile page of that particular site, and the
>"reformatting" is often far less than successful on sites with frames, or
>other funky formatting.
Actually works pretty well most of the time with better handsets.
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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:23 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
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>jon wrote:
>> zara wrote:
>>
>>> Free? Nothing - is free.
>>>
>> You charge 2c to drop your piss stained frilly panties!!
>
>This worries you because... you were use to getting 5c?
Is it any wonder Usenet is dying? [sigh]
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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
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John Navas wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:09:23 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote in
> <-6-dnTr_m5l0gdjXnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>:
>
>> jon wrote:
>>> zara wrote:
>>>
>>>> Free? Nothing - is free.
>>>>
>>> You charge 2c to drop your piss stained frilly panties!!
>> This worries you because... you were use to getting 5c?
>
> Is it any wonder Usenet is dying? [sigh]
>
Yeah, your "Motorola charging tips" really enhance its usefulness...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:03:44 -0400, John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:16 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
> in <4a43d2dc$0$89396$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>
>> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>>>> Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
>>
>> nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
>> functional phone.
>
> How so?
>
>
Since you didn't comprehend David's simple reply, let me draw you a picture.
Take the universe of all phones. Inside that universe you have the set that
can browse at all, which I would include the simple WAP sites. Among that set
we find the iPhone. Although the iPhone is not a major slice of all those
phones, it's still responsible for most smart-phone web traffic.
If it were not popular and easy to use, it would never had had that much of
the traffic.
Tim Murray wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:03:44 -0400, John Navas wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:16 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
>> in <4a43d2dc$0$89396$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>>
>>> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>> Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
>>> nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
>>> functional phone.
>> How so?
>>
>>
>
> Since you didn't comprehend David's simple reply, let me draw you a picture.
> Take the universe of all phones. Inside that universe you have the set that
> can browse at all, which I would include the simple WAP sites. Among that set
> we find the iPhone. Although the iPhone is not a major slice of all those
> phones, it's still responsible for most smart-phone web traffic.
>
> If it were not popular and easy to use, it would never had had that much of
> the traffic.
>
> Think you can wrap your head around that?
What, your rationalization and apologia for wretched excess and
inefficiency?
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009, Cyrus Afzali posted:
> Let's just boil this down and get real. You're talking about a phone
> available on ONE carrier in the U.S. Granted, it's the largest single
> carrier, but just one.
AT&T is not the largest carrier in the USA. Verizon is.
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In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.0906292133330.10452@hsinghsing.pa nda.com>,
Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
> > Let's just boil this down and get real. You're talking about a phone
> > available on ONE carrier in the U.S. Granted, it's the largest single
> > carrier, but just one.
>
> AT&T is not the largest carrier in the USA. Verizon is.
although they are close, at&t has more subscribers and higher revenue
than verizon:
<http://www.entangledparticles.com/ep/2009/02/index.html>
on the other hand, verizon has better coverage than at&t.
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:300620090117276099%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.0906292133330.10452@hsinghsing.pa nda.com>,
> Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>
>> > Let's just boil this down and get real. You're talking about a phone
>> > available on ONE carrier in the U.S. Granted, it's the largest single
>> > carrier, but just one.
>>
>> AT&T is not the largest carrier in the USA. Verizon is.
>
> although they are close, at&t has more subscribers and higher revenue
> than verizon:
> <http://www.entangledparticles.com/ep/2009/02/index.html>
That was back in February... A lot can happen in a few months!
Verizon took the lead because of the acquision of Alltel's 13 million
subscribers, http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...iber-lead.html,
just as AT&T became the leader with the merger of Cingular and (old) AT&T
Wireless a few years ago.
"David Moyer" <davmoy@world.com> wrote in message
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> John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>> >line... apple is paving the future for all of us, evn if you aren't
>> >smart enough to understand what is happening quite yet...
>>
>> Maybe, but all Apple has done so far is the same old stuff in a nice
>> interface.
>>
>> >check out apple's new sensor patents, incredible stuff!
>> >http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ng_wireless_sy
>> >stem_for_quantifying_the_unquantifiable.html
>>
>> The camera in the iPhone 3G S is mediocre, not incredible.
>
> it's the most incredible one you can own at that price point, so it
> can't be mediocre, it's the best of class. check out the samples at the
> bottom of this link, incredible, just incredible!
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/photos.html
>
Why then do I have to lend my phone to iphone users who can't get a signal
in my area? Try to surf the web with no connection. Say what you want about
it , it's still only as good as the system its on. Verizon, when you
absolutely have to get through. I have a question for all you iphone users.
Can't you read what this newsgroups name is. Cross posting is still
unacceptable.
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