The iPhone continues to take over the smartphone market, it has now
taken 69% of all smartphone traffic, which ironically is getting close
to iPod share...
In February it covered 51% of the pie. By April it had grown to 59%. And
by Thursday morning, when AdMob released the May edition of its U.S.
smartphone pie, Applešs (AAPL) share had grown to 69% a 10 point
increase in one month.
> The iPhone continues to take over the smartphone market, it has now
> taken 69% of all smartphone traffic, which ironically is getting close
> to iPod share...
>
> In February it covered 51% of the pie. By April it had grown to 59%. And
> by Thursday morning, when AdMob released the May edition of its U.S.
> smartphone pie, Applešs (AAPL) share had grown to 69% a 10 point
> increase in one month.
>
> More here:
>
> http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com...e-of-u-s-smart
> phone-traffic-hits-69/
>
> Congrats everyone!
>
> > Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
functional phone.
John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:20:31 -0600, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in
> <apony-72E5D3.13203125062009@news.qwest.net>:
>
>> Congrats everyone!
>
> Why? Is this some sort of mission?
>
Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
inefficiently as possible.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:41:16 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a43d2dc$0$89396$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>> > Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
>
>nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
>functional phone.
How so?
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
> >News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
> >> > Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
> >
> >nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
> >functional phone.
>
> How so?
check the charts, it clearly shows the iphone is more widely used on the
web... per capita than any other phone, the ease of use is obvious to
everyone expect people that don't yet own them.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:51:42 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a43e35e$0$89386$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Yep, that's wretched excess and inefficiency for ya!
>> >
>> >nah, it just illustrates extreme ease of use and popularity of a highly
>> >functional phone.
>>
>> How so?
>
>check the charts, it clearly shows the iphone is more widely used on the
>web... per capita than any other phone, ...
My question was how the 69% figure illustrated that, not some other
data. Thus I have to conclude it doesn't really, that News was correct.
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:53:44 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a43e3d8$0$89386$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >Congrats everyone!
>>
>> Why? Is this some sort of mission?
>
>isn't revolutionizing society always been the goal of tech geeks? yep!
>so it sounds like you are out of phase with no contribution to make.
Only by your standard. LOL
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> inefficiently as possible.
people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
line... apple is paving the future for all of us, evn if you aren't
smart enough to understand what is happening quite yet...
check out apple's new sensor patents, incredible stuff!
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:58:20 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a43e4ed$0$89386$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>> inefficiently as possible.
>
>people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>line... apple is paving the future for all of us, evn if you aren't
>smart enough to understand what is happening quite yet...
Maybe, but all Apple has done so far is the same old stuff in a nice
interface.
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>> inefficiently as possible.
>
> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
> >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> >> inefficiently as possible.
> >
> > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>
> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
1969
> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>
> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
curve.
> >people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> >line... apple is paving the future for all of us, evn if you aren't
> >smart enough to understand what is happening quite yet...
>
> Maybe, but all Apple has done so far is the same old stuff in a nice
> interface.
>
> >check out apple's new sensor patents, incredible stuff!
> >http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ng_wireless_sy
> >stem_for_quantifying_the_unquantifiable.html
>
> The camera in the iPhone 3G S is mediocre, not incredible.
it's the most incredible one you can own at that price point, so it
can't be mediocre, it's the best of class. check out the samples at the
bottom of this link, incredible, just incredible!
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>>>> inefficiently as possible.
>>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>
>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:56:18 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a43f282$0$48218$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>> >line... apple is paving the future for all of us, evn if you aren't
>> >smart enough to understand what is happening quite yet...
>>
>> Maybe, but all Apple has done so far is the same old stuff in a nice
>> interface.
>>
>> >check out apple's new sensor patents, incredible stuff!
>> >http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ng_wireless_sy
>> >stem_for_quantifying_the_unquantifiable.html
>>
>> The camera in the iPhone 3G S is mediocre, not incredible.
>
>it's the most incredible one you can own at that price point, so it
>can't be mediocre, it's the best of class. check out the samples at the
>bottom of this link, incredible, just incredible!
>
>http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/photos.html
Nokia N97.
What's funny is how even favorable reviews of the camera have poor
images, like
<http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/breaking-iphone-3g-s-camera-doesnt-suck/>
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
"David Moyer" <davmoy@world.com> wrote in message
news:4a43f178$0$48218$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>> >> inefficiently as possible.
>> >
>> > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there.
>> > bottom
>> > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>>
>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>
> said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
> 1969
>
>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>
>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
> so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
> curve.
John Navas wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:20:31 -0600, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in
> <apony-72E5D3.13203125062009@news.qwest.net>:
>
>> Congrats everyone!
>
> Why? Is this some sort of mission?
>
More importantly, who cares? Certainly no one using Verizon Wireless as
a provider! My phone may be hopelessly obsolete but it still does what
I need done!
> >>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> >>>> inefficiently as possible.
> >>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> >>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
> >> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
> >> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> >> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> >> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
> >>
> >> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
> >
> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>
>
> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
summer.
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
>>>>>> inefficiently as possible.
>>>>> people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
>>>>> line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>>>> Not exactly; fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>>>> Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
>>>> generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
>>>> associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>>> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>>
>> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>
> what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything
On Jun 25, 2:51*pm, David Moyer <dav...@world.com> wrote:
> News <N...@Group.Name> wrote:
> > >> Apparently, a mission to consume bandwidth in wretched excess, as
> > >> inefficiently as possible.
>
> > > people used to say that about the web around 1992, no news there. bottom
> > > line... apple is paving the future for all of us
>
> > Not exactly; *fanbois are paving themselves into a corner.
>
> said the Punchcard Operator to the Guy sitting in front of a Terminal in
> 1969
>
> > Soon fanbois will have to pay the piper for the bandwidth waste being
> > generated by their small band, who rightfully should pay higher charges
> > associated with their wretchedly excessive and inefficient use.
>
> > Enjoy your triple digit dollar per month data plans, fanbois!
>
> no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
tethering, ? :P
> so there won't be any additional charges. sounds like you are behind the
> curve.
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-72E5D3.13203125062009@news.qwest.net...
> The iPhone continues to take over the smartphone market, it has now
> taken 69% of all smartphone traffic, which ironically is getting close
> to iPod share...
According to AdMob, a company that inserts ads into websites and apps, yes.
> In February it covered 51% of the pie. By April it had grown to 59%. And
> by Thursday morning, when AdMob released the May edition of its U.S.
> smartphone pie, Applešs (AAPL) share had grown to 69% < a 10 point
> increase in one month.
>
> More here:
>
> <http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/25/iphone-share-of-u-s-smartphone-traffic-hits-69/>
Interestingly, if you read the actual reports instead of bloggers'
third-hand coverage of them
<http://metrics.admob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/admob-mobile-metrics-april-09.pdf>,
you'll notice, buried in the methodology, AdMob tells us some interesting
things (this is from April's, so the numbers are slightly lower than May's):
"* The iPhone OS had 8% market share of handset sales in 2008, but generated
43%
share of mobile Web requests in April 2009. Ad requests from applications
contributed
to this heavy usage."
"* Android also generated a higher percentage of mobile Web requests than
its share
of handsets sold. While Android had less than 1% of smartphones sold in
2008, it
generated 3% of mobile Web usage. Ad requests from applications contributed
to this
heavy usage."
And...
"Note: AdMob serves ads into both iPhone and Android applications which are
responsible for a SIGNIFICANT PORTION [emphasis mine] of their overall ad
requests."
So, by amazing coincidence, the only platforms that had more mobile web
"traffic" (traffic=requests for AdMob advertising) than their market share
were the two platforms that developers can embed AdMob ads into
applications. My wife plays a bunch of free games on her iPhone that
constantly serve up ads. Nice to know that's "mobile web usage."
But, that's the "mobile web+app" category. You're mostly bragging about the
percentage of HTML browsing, Oxy. That one is comes from a different
source, "Net Applications" and is disclaimered thusly:
"Net Applications collects mobile browsing data only
from mobile devices that render HTML pages and Javascript. Visits to WAP
pages
are not included."
And, interestingly, tied for second place was a category called "other",
which Net Applications tells us "Other includes Java ME." Presumably
(although this is just a guess- Net Apps plays their methodology close to
the vest) Java ME-based browsers, that don't "fink" the phone make/model/OS
would get lumped in here. This would really bump Blackberries- most 'berry
users I know use Java browsers like Opera Mini instead of the default
Blackberry browser.
So, what we've discovered, is that phones with full HTML browsers (like
iPhones and Android) that default to "full" HTML sites use more HTML than
phones that default to mobile/WAP sites. Imagine that!
So, in effect, what they've really "discovered" was that iPhone OS users
received the majority of AdMob's mobile advertising, and view far more HTML
pages.
Interesting stuff though, if you poke around. An interesting stat was that
24% of mobile ad requests in April were over WiFi, and "the Top 5 WiFi
devices were the iPhone, iPod touch, Sony PSP, HTC Dream, and HTC Dash..."
So, even those "heavy traffic generating" iPhone OS users seem to do a
significant amount of browsing over WiFi rather than put up with AT&T's 3G
network!
Surprising to me, was despite their ubiquity, the total HTML usage stats for
all mobile devices combined, including the iPhone/iPod Touch, is still under
1% of web browsing. I would've guessed that between the increase in uptake
of smart devices, and mobile phones acting as many folks only "computer" in
emerging markets that we'd see the total break 1% by now.
> Congrats everyone!
Enjoy. What'll you discover next? TV viewers watch more TV advertising
than book readers?
Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-72E5D3.13203125062009@news.qwest.net...
>> The iPhone continues to take over the smartphone market, it has now
>> taken 69% of all smartphone traffic, which ironically is getting close
>> to iPod share...
>
> According to AdMob, a company that inserts ads into websites and apps, yes.
>
>
>> In February it covered 51% of the pie. By April it had grown to 59%. And
>> by Thursday morning, when AdMob released the May edition of its U.S.
>> smartphone pie, Applešs (AAPL) share had grown to 69% < a 10 point
>> increase in one month.
>>
>> More here:
>>
>> <http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/25/iphone-share-of-u-s-smartphone-traffic-hits-69/>
>>
>
>
> Interestingly, if you read the actual reports instead of bloggers'
> third-hand coverage of them
> <http://metrics.admob.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/admob-mobile-metrics-april-09.pdf>,
> you'll notice, buried in the methodology, AdMob tells us some
> interesting things (this is from April's, so the numbers are slightly
> lower than May's):
>
> "* The iPhone OS had 8% market share of handset sales in 2008, but
> generated 43%
> share of mobile Web requests in April 2009. Ad requests from
> applications contributed
> to this heavy usage."
> "* Android also generated a higher percentage of mobile Web requests
> than its share
> of handsets sold. While Android had less than 1% of smartphones sold in
> 2008, it
> generated 3% of mobile Web usage. Ad requests from applications
> contributed to this
> heavy usage."
>
> And...
>
> "Note: AdMob serves ads into both iPhone and Android applications which are
> responsible for a SIGNIFICANT PORTION [emphasis mine] of their overall
> ad requests."
>
> So, by amazing coincidence, the only platforms that had more mobile web
> "traffic" (traffic=requests for AdMob advertising) than their market
> share were the two platforms that developers can embed AdMob ads into
> applications. My wife plays a bunch of free games on her iPhone that
> constantly serve up ads. Nice to know that's "mobile web usage."
>
> But, that's the "mobile web+app" category. You're mostly bragging about
> the percentage of HTML browsing, Oxy. That one is comes from a
> different source, "Net Applications" and is disclaimered thusly:
>
> "Net Applications collects mobile browsing data only
> from mobile devices that render HTML pages and Javascript. Visits to WAP
> pages
> are not included."
>
> And, interestingly, tied for second place was a category called "other",
> which Net Applications tells us "Other includes Java ME." Presumably
> (although this is just a guess- Net Apps plays their methodology close
> to the vest) Java ME-based browsers, that don't "fink" the phone
> make/model/OS would get lumped in here. This would really bump
> Blackberries- most 'berry users I know use Java browsers like Opera Mini
> instead of the default Blackberry browser.
>
> So, what we've discovered, is that phones with full HTML browsers (like
> iPhones and Android) that default to "full" HTML sites use more HTML
> than phones that default to mobile/WAP sites. Imagine that!
>
> So, in effect, what they've really "discovered" was that iPhone OS users
> received the majority of AdMob's mobile advertising, and view far more
> HTML pages.
>
> Interesting stuff though, if you poke around. An interesting stat was
> that 24% of mobile ad requests in April were over WiFi, and "the Top 5
> WiFi devices were the iPhone, iPod touch, Sony PSP, HTC Dream, and HTC
> Dash..." So, even those "heavy traffic generating" iPhone OS users seem
> to do a significant amount of browsing over WiFi rather than put up with
> AT&T's 3G network!
>
> Surprising to me, was despite their ubiquity, the total HTML usage stats
> for all mobile devices combined, including the iPhone/iPod Touch, is
> still under 1% of web browsing. I would've guessed that between the
> increase in uptake of smart devices, and mobile phones acting as many
> folks only "computer" in emerging markets that we'd see the total break
> 1% by now.
>
>
>
>
>> Congrats everyone!
>
> Enjoy. What'll you discover next? TV viewers watch more TV advertising
> than book readers?
>
>
>
And that iToy users are suckers, a target rich environment, for online
ad placement and exploits. Enjoy your ethereal status, fanbois!
> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>
> so why does apple tell you it's att's fault that the iphone doesn't do
> tethering, ? :P
that's because ATT doesn't allow it since they aren't ready for the
demand. apple is ready, ATT isn't.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:54:05 -0600, David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> wrote
in <4a440e1d$0$48224$815e3792@news.qwest.net>:
>News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
>>
>> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
>
>what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
Really? Citation?
>but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
>summer.
Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans keep making excuses for it?
> >> > no, i turned on tethering last night on my iPhone 3GS and it was free.
> >>
> >> Time will tell, smartass. May as well fund the liability starting NOW.
> >
> >what liability? ATT has already said they're not going to do anything,
>
> Really? Citation?
AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
look it up yourself
> >but hope people can wait for the official rollout coming late in the
> >summer.
>
> Got a cite for that too? Or must we take your word for it?
AT&T Tolerates iPhone Tethering Technique - PC Magazine 12:13 PM
next time, try and keep up on the news, you probably still don't know
that Michael Jackson is dead.
David Moyer wrote:
> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>
>> And that iToy users are suckers, a target rich environment, for online
>> ad placement and exploits. Enjoy your ethereal status, fanbois!
>
> the iphone, safari and the apple community doesn't allow that type of
> behavior.
Mobile metrics don't lie, fanboi. You're suckers and don't even know it
or you're classical Stockholm Syndrome victims, probably a mix of both.
"News" <News@Group.name> wrote in message
news:sqKdnVsYBNe-idnXnZ2dnUVZ_qSdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
>> So, what we've discovered, is that phones with full HTML browsers (like
>> iPhones and Android) that default to "full" HTML sites use more HTML than
>> phones that default to mobile/WAP sites. Imagine that!
>>
>> So, in effect, what they've really "discovered" was that iPhone OS users
>> received the majority of AdMob's mobile advertising, and view far more
>> HTML pages.
>>
>>> Congrats everyone!
>>
>> Enjoy. What'll you discover next? TV viewers watch more TV advertising
>> than book readers?
>
>
> And that iToy users are suckers, a target rich environment, for online ad
> placement and exploits. Enjoy your ethereal status, fanbois!
It's hard to blame the "fanbois" for the hand they're dealt. They (at least
in the US) get unlimited data and a phone that defaults to full size web
pages instead of mobile XHTML/WAP pages.
What I miss on the iPhone browser (and maybe it's hidden in a setting
somewhere and I just haven't found it) is a "mobile view" setting like most
mobile HTML browsers offer, that use multiple user agents depending on the
browser's current mode setting to request either mobile or full websites.
Sometimes I want the "real" web experience, but usually I'd rather have a
quick-loading mobile/WAP formatted site designed for a small screen if one's
available.
Regardless of Safari Mobile's rendering abilities, (which are quite good for
a mobile browser), pinching and spreading while surfing is for the birds,
and simpler web pages are just more efficient and easier to read on a small
screen. This probably explains the popularity of iPhone apps that reformat
web content into easier to read forms, like USA Today's app that presents
the headline stories from the USA Today site in an email/RSS feed reader
type fashion.
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