Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
your experiences regarding the two companies.
I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
Cingular as well.
So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
"Malathan" <malathan@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s6l2q2t7v9kuogg6ottga6mq1e8ssi5u7t@4ax.com...
> Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
> your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
>
> I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
> switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
> or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
> lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
> If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
> offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
>
> Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
> notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
> static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
> support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
> it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
> believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
> Cingular as well.
>
>
> So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
> experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
> as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
> and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
> regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
>
>
> - Clayton
Verizon provides much better service than Cingular in most markets. However,
they are not perfect-- it's cellular service after all.
> So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
> experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
> as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
> and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
> regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
In most metro areas Verizon provides much better service, just look at
the January 2007 Consumer Reports. That said, Verizon is not generous
with many things. I have grandfathered 8 pm nights, but of course there
is no rollover, and the prices are higher than the old AT&T plans.
Part of your problem may be that your phones are not using all the
Cingular towers. You need to upgrade to new SIM cards, and probably
change phones as well, which will entail switching to a poorer plan.
This certainly is a case of YYMV...
(your results may vary)
I personally prefer CDMA over GSM, so I'm biased...
PDX is one of those markets where both VZW and Cingular
are the 800Mhz B/A legacy cellular carriers (GTE and Cell 1 McCaw)
So, both have had since the late 80's to build their systems out.
And, both have pretty good systems there generally. YRMV....
Try VZW if you want - you have a 15 day return policy....
"Malathan" <malathan@comcast.net> wrote in message news:s6l2q2t7v9kuogg6ottga6mq1e8ssi5u7t@4ax.com...
> Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
> your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
>
> I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
> switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
> or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
> lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
> If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
> offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
>
> Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
> notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
> static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
> support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
> it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
> believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
> Cingular as well.
>
>
> So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
> experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
> as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
> and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
> regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
>
>
> - Clayton
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:22:06 -0800, Malathan <malathan@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
>your experiences regarding the two companies.
I left Cingular in 2002 for VZW. I married my wife in 2004. She and
her daughter were on Cingular until this summer (they were on a long
term contract).
They hated "Stinkular" so much that they paid the $300 ETF just to
join VZW. I had an individual account (my contract had run out) and
now all three are under my account on a family plan.
Getting them switched over, including porting their numbers, was a
quick and painless process. (I was lucky - I went to a corporate store
and the assistant manager happend to wait on us).
Overall we are impressed with them. The step daughter's phone went
dead and they exchanged it for a reconditioned one at the store. If we
were to do that with Stinkular, they would have told us to call some
800 number, wait on hold for an hour, and then get one sent in the
mail, and to send the old one back (my wife did this twice with
Stinkular). With VZW, it again was painless.
Some have complained about customer service with VZW. I have only good
things to say about them, and only bad things to say about Stinkular.
Heck - VZW's corporate store in my town has had Sunday hours for
several years. Only recently did Stinkular get a clue and decide to
get Sunday hours at their store.
>I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
>switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
>or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
>lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
That is a disadvantage, but well worth losing the 7 PM evenings.
Hopefully your friends have VZW and you can use IN minutes (in
network, cell to cell), which is free.
>If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
>offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
Cingular uses rollover because its a gimick to keep you as a customer
on a crappy network.
>Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
>notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
>static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
>support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
>it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
>believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
>Cingular as well.
Its the network causing the dropped calls. I RARELY have dropped calls
on VZW. My friends on Stinkular regularly drop their calls, even when
they're at home, the phone is on the table and they're using a
Bluetooth earpiece.
>So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
>experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
>as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
>and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
>regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
I find that I get better service with VZW. I can use it in more places
than any other service. Where VZW doesn't have native coverage, they
have "Extended Network" partners where you roam for free (though not
all features may work, such as high speed data). But overall you'll be
impressed where you have cell coverage where you didn't before, and
the quality is much better.
Of course, you should ask your friends and co-workers who they think
is the best in your area. I asked about VZW before I switched, and
soooooo glad that I switched.
I have Verizon and didn't know how spoiled
I had become until I tried to deal with the
Cingular bureacracy when trying to cope with
a problem for my hospitalized kid who has
Cingular. For me, incredible and unbelievable.
Around and around we go..land where we stop
nobody knows..Confrontational attitudes at
all points..Frequently lend my VZW phone to
a Cingular type who is unable to connect to
anything. And, if you are an ex-AT&T subscriber
and of course now Cingular..you really have
a problem dealing with two cultures within
one. Probably am biased, but suspect that
, based on my experiences, CDMA is preferable
to the system used by GSM. My opinions..don't
know how scientific they are. Have heard that
T-mobile people are pretty helpful, and are
increasing their coverage. Luck!!
"Diamond Dave" <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vtv2q2h0liuorgghhe7m1eo565gnte56mi@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:22:06 -0800, Malathan <malathan@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
>>your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
> I left Cingular in 2002 for VZW. I married my wife in 2004. She and
> her daughter were on Cingular until this summer (they were on a long
> term contract).
>
> They hated "Stinkular" so much that they paid the $300 ETF just to
> join VZW. I had an individual account (my contract had run out) and
> now all three are under my account on a family plan.
>
> Getting them switched over, including porting their numbers, was a
> quick and painless process. (I was lucky - I went to a corporate store
> and the assistant manager happend to wait on us).
>
> Overall we are impressed with them. The step daughter's phone went
> dead and they exchanged it for a reconditioned one at the store. If we
> were to do that with Stinkular, they would have told us to call some
> 800 number, wait on hold for an hour, and then get one sent in the
> mail, and to send the old one back (my wife did this twice with
> Stinkular). With VZW, it again was painless.
>
> Some have complained about customer service with VZW. I have only good
> things to say about them, and only bad things to say about Stinkular.
>
> Heck - VZW's corporate store in my town has had Sunday hours for
> several years. Only recently did Stinkular get a clue and decide to
> get Sunday hours at their store.
>
>>I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
>>switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
>>or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
>>lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
> That is a disadvantage, but well worth losing the 7 PM evenings.
> Hopefully your friends have VZW and you can use IN minutes (in
> network, cell to cell), which is free.
>
>>If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
>>offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
> Cingular uses rollover because its a gimick to keep you as a customer
> on a crappy network.
>
>>Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
>>notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
>>static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
>>support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
>>it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
>>believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
>>Cingular as well.
>
> Its the network causing the dropped calls. I RARELY have dropped calls
> on VZW. My friends on Stinkular regularly drop their calls, even when
> they're at home, the phone is on the table and they're using a
> Bluetooth earpiece.
>
>>So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
>>experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
>>as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
>>and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
>>regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
> I find that I get better service with VZW. I can use it in more places
> than any other service. Where VZW doesn't have native coverage, they
> have "Extended Network" partners where you roam for free (though not
> all features may work, such as high speed data). But overall you'll be
> impressed where you have cell coverage where you didn't before, and
> the quality is much better.
>
> Of course, you should ask your friends and co-workers who they think
> is the best in your area. I asked about VZW before I switched, and
> soooooo glad that I switched.
>
> Of yourse, your mileage may vary.
>
> Dave
>
Malathan <malathan@comcast.net> wrote in
news:s6l2q2t7v9kuogg6ottga6mq1e8ssi5u7t@4ax.com:
> Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
> notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
> static when calling between them.
SP Trading company has them brand new on Cingular for $79 on ebay:
One of them may have an internal loose connection from the time it
dropped. When you call your landline from each of them, which one makes
the static noise? Do they both? If you've had good service in your area
from Cingular until recently between phones, I'd try to isolate which
phone the static is coming from and take it to a REAL Cingular store, the
one with technicians in it not the mall kiosk, and let them put the phone
on the test set to check it out.
The reason I'd go through all this is you don't NEED a contract with any
carrier to have the service you have now with all those features you have
now. Just let your contract expire and go month-to-month without being
an indentured servant under slave contract. If that phone suits your
needs, buy a new one and switch them online at cingular.com, preserving
your nice grandfathered rates/features/7PM freebie and gain rollover
minutes at Cingular, which is a really nice feature if Cingular works
where you need it.
It also wouldn't hurt to mention to Cingular when you take the phone in
for service that you're considering Verizon. Churning is number one at
the service desk. They might cut you a sweet deal to stay and simply
hand you a new phone or refurb'd T637 that works for free. They have
thousands, I'm sure, noone wants.
Yeah, I know it looks better over on the other side of the street. The
grass is greener, the sun brighter, but the PRICE and CONTRACT over there
is enough to turn your stomach.....see?
Diamond Dave wrote:
>
> Its the network causing the dropped calls. I RARELY have dropped calls
> on VZW. My friends on Stinkular regularly drop their calls, even when
> they're at home, the phone is on the table and they're using a
> Bluetooth earpiece.
So much for the "fewest dropped calls" bit they are promoting on TV.
I like Verizon, because everywhere I go they seem to offer service. I
use that rather than paying the hotel to make local calls. Also like
it, as I can get updates about flights from the airlines via my phone.
I have always had good luck with their customer service either at the
kiosk or the store they have in the mall. The people I have delt with
act, as though they value my business and that is why I have not moved
over to Alltel (was Cell One) and Union (a local GSM company). If it is
not broke there is nothing to fix. Also know to stay away from Pixis (a
forner local company), as some of their store managers kept mistakenly
sending me emails (he or she thought they were sending another store
manager the email). These emails never had anything postive to say
about the company (inventory levels or tech issues). Was almost tempted
to print them out and send them to the head office, but never did.
mgrahm@tribcsp.com wrote:
> Diamond Dave wrote:
>> Its the network causing the dropped calls. I RARELY have dropped calls
>> on VZW. My friends on Stinkular regularly drop their calls, even when
>> they're at home, the phone is on the table and they're using a
>> Bluetooth earpiece.
>
> So much for the "fewest dropped calls" bit they are promoting on TV.
That's pretty much been proved to have no basis in fact. They won't
release the survey results, and Consumer Reports found that they were no
better than other carriers in terms of dropped calls. Actually, where I
live, I think I believe the "fewest dropped calls" claim, but only
because the coverage is such that you can't complete a lot of calls in
the first place. I've been to many places just in the past few weeks,
where there is no Cingular GSM coverage at all, but where you get
coverage on Verizon.
I was an AT&T customer who was sold to Cingular. I never had any real
complaints with AT&T. Once Cingular bought them and connectivity degraded
so quickly I looked for another carrier. I could have got another phone,
one not being orphaned by Cingular, and hoped for the best. I decided not
to tie myself into a 2 year contract with an iffy carrier, Cingular was not
well-reviewed at the time. I spent $5 more per month and signed up with
Vzw, who was well reviewed in my area. I had a hard time choosing between
Sprint, which my brother has, and Vzw which everyone else I would be calling
has.
Both my brother with Sprint and I are pretty easy customers. I virtually
never have a bad customer experience with companies most people find
difficult. I don;t make changes to my account, don't skirt up against plan
limits, etc. My experience may not be applicable to you.
I am very happy with Vzw, except I wish the package was $5 less per month.
I have both VZW and Cingular phones. I find some areas where Cingular shines
and VZW doesn't and the opposite also. My VZW corporate store (Rockford IL)
is staffed by idiots, thieves and buggerers. I always feel I should carry a
tube of Vaseline to make the screwing I know I'll get less painful. You
cannot get a straight answer from them, if you have a question you have to
wait for hours in seperate lines and than they tell you you waited in the
wrong line. I basically cannot say enough bad about them. I went in with my
V60s one day as it was dropping calls (to this day I cannot get ANY of my
VZW phones 4 of them btw to hold a call much more than 5 minutes) and the
tech said "oh you need new software". He proceeded to "update" my phone and
hosed it! Than had the stones to have the sales rep make me get a new
contract to replace the one he hosed.
Phone support is better but no prize.
Compared to my local Cingular corporate store which is light years better,
clean, well lit, staffed well with English speaking people and good
selection. Voice quality on my Cingular line is pretty much landline
quality. So basically I cannot complain about them (Cingular). BTW I got
Cingular only because the idiots at the VZW store couldn't figure out how to
give me International roaming so I cancelled a line and went to Cingular. I
was able to get an intl. roaming plan and intl ld for VERY reasonable costs
and it worked flawlessly. Additionally when I make changes it does not
automatically renew my contract like vzw, hell vzw tried to screw me when my
kid's phone was stolen and I reactivated a phone I had here and they stuck
me with a 2 year extension without my knowledge or permission!
So if you think that stuff is less crap than Cingular well........go ahead
and switch. Me? Well I believe I will go the other way.
"Malathan" <malathan@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s6l2q2t7v9kuogg6ottga6mq1e8ssi5u7t@4ax.com...
> Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
> your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
>
> I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
> switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
> or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
> lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
> If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
> offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
>
> Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
> notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
> static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
> support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
> it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
> believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
> Cingular as well.
>
>
> So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
> experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
> as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
> and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
> regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
>
>
> - Clayton
"Malathan" <malathan@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:s6l2q2t7v9kuogg6ottga6mq1e8ssi5u7t@4ax.com...
> Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
> your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
>
> I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
> switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
> or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
> lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
> If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
> offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
>
> Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
> notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
> static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
> support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
> it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
> believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
> Cingular as well.
>
>
> So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
> experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
> as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
> and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
> regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
>
>
> - Clayton
I really can't knock Cingular as I've never tried it but Verizon has been
great as far as coverage goes with very few dropped calls & only in areas
where the signal was weak to begin with. We just got back from a trip to
Hawaii & we had coverage on all the islands including all around the park of
Waimea Canyon in Kauai and the top of the Haleakala Crater in Lanaina at
10,000 feet altitude.
> I really can't knock Cingular as I've never tried it but Verizon has been
> great as far as coverage goes with very few dropped calls & only in areas
> where the signal was weak to begin with. We just got back from a trip to
> Hawaii & we had coverage on all the islands including all around the park of
> Waimea Canyon in Kauai and the top of the Haleakala Crater in Lanaina at
> 10,000 feet altitude.
It's places like those, outside the urban areas, where Verizon has the
greatest advantage over Cingular. I carry a prepaid phone on the
Cingular network just to compare coverage when traveling, and the
difference in coverage is tremendous, especially if you have a Verizon
phone that is tri-band (versus digital-only).
Cingular's "fewest dropped call" claim is a hollow joke. First, they
have never presented any evidence for the claim, and second, it doesn't
take into account calls that can't be placed in the first place due to
lack of coverage.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:32:13 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:
>That's pretty much been proved to have no basis in fact. They won't
>release the survey results, and Consumer Reports found that they were no
>better than other carriers in terms of dropped calls. Actually, where I
>live, I think I believe the "fewest dropped calls" claim, but only
>because the coverage is such that you can't complete a lot of calls in
>the first place. I've been to many places just in the past few weeks,
>where there is no Cingular GSM coverage at all, but where you get
>coverage on Verizon.
I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
(CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
strangest places sometimes.
Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
IMHO.
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:34:35 -0500, Diamond Dave
<dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:32:13 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>That's pretty much been proved to have no basis in fact. They won't
>>release the survey results, and Consumer Reports found that they were no
>>better than other carriers in terms of dropped calls. Actually, where I
>>live, I think I believe the "fewest dropped calls" claim, but only
>>because the coverage is such that you can't complete a lot of calls in
>>the first place. I've been to many places just in the past few weeks,
>>where there is no Cingular GSM coverage at all, but where you get
>>coverage on Verizon.
>
>I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
>analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
>(CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
>strangest places sometimes.
>
>Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
>than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
>IMHO.
>
>Dave
>
seems to depend on where you live. in the pacific northwest, cingular
is a ton better than verizon. not even close. out here, people are
leaving verizon wireless by the droves and the best coverage is with
cingular. verizon wireless has very very poor coverage in the west
and their customer non support is worthless.
It all depends upon where you live, In some areas Verizon is better, in
other areas Cingular is better, in other areas T-Mobile is better, and in
other areas Sprint is better. Get the idea? No one provider is really
"better". It all depends upon where you live, work, and plan to use the
phone. That is why all carriers have a trial period. I suggest that you take
full advantage of the trial period.
<theguy@whatever.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:34:35 -0500, Diamond Dave
> <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:32:13 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That's pretty much been proved to have no basis in fact. They won't
>>>release the survey results, and Consumer Reports found that they were no
>>>better than other carriers in terms of dropped calls. Actually, where I
>>>live, I think I believe the "fewest dropped calls" claim, but only
>>>because the coverage is such that you can't complete a lot of calls in
>>>the first place. I've been to many places just in the past few weeks,
>>>where there is no Cingular GSM coverage at all, but where you get
>>>coverage on Verizon.
>>
>>I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
>>analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
>>(CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
>>strangest places sometimes.
>>
>>Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
>>than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
>>IMHO.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>
> seems to depend on where you live. in the pacific northwest, cingular
> is a ton better than verizon. not even close. out here, people are
> leaving verizon wireless by the droves and the best coverage is with
> cingular. verizon wireless has very very poor coverage in the west
> and their customer non support is worthless.
<theguy@whatever.net> wrote in message
news:v9f5q2ddteqqfod8u1bpjb86q4rmbrmd2c@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:34:35 -0500, Diamond Dave
> <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:32:13 -0800, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>That's pretty much been proved to have no basis in fact. They won't
>>>release the survey results, and Consumer Reports found that they were no
>>>better than other carriers in terms of dropped calls. Actually, where I
>>>live, I think I believe the "fewest dropped calls" claim, but only
>>>because the coverage is such that you can't complete a lot of calls in
>>>the first place. I've been to many places just in the past few weeks,
>>>where there is no Cingular GSM coverage at all, but where you get
>>>coverage on Verizon.
>>
>>I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
>>analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
>>(CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
>>strangest places sometimes.
>>
>>Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
>>than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
>>IMHO.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>
> seems to depend on where you live. in the pacific northwest, cingular
> is a ton better than verizon. not even close. out here, people are
> leaving verizon wireless by the droves and the best coverage is with
> cingular. verizon wireless has very very poor coverage in the west
> and their customer non support is worthless.
The below is the NOT what is actually happening here.
VZW's growth numbers for the region are quite good. They aren't loosing
"droves" to Cingular - or did you mean Cingular is loosing "droves" to
VZW - which is actually the case here in the PNW...
<theguy@whatever.net> wrote in message news:v9f5q2ddteqqfod8u1bpjb86q4rmbrmd2c@4ax.com...
>
> seems to depend on where you live. in the pacific northwest, cingular
> is a ton better than verizon. not even close. out here, people are
> leaving verizon wireless by the droves and the best coverage is with
> cingular. verizon wireless has very very poor coverage in the west
> and their customer non support is worthless.
Spooge Geeko {Defender of goof mustard and the neferious way}
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Re: Leave Cingular for Verizon? ( I DID )
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:22:06 -0800, Malathan <malathan@comcast.net>
wrote:
>Wanting feedback from those who switched from Cingular to Verizon and
>your experiences regarding the two companies.
>
>
>I am a cingular customer who is tired of their cr@p and am looking at
>switching to Verizon. Unfortunately in switching (either to Verizon
>or renewing contract with Cingular), I will lose my 7pm evenings and
>lose 200 minutes (family plan). I am an AT&T grandfathed customer.
>
>If I renew with Cingular, I will get rollover minutes, which will
>offset the lost minutes and calling time. Verizon doesn't have that.
>
>
>Currently I have a Sony Ericson 637 phone (both family lines) and have
>notices over past 6 months to get increasingly dropped calls and
>static when calling between them. The phones, while over 2 years old,
>support blue tooth. I recently got a headset and find I get static on
>it quite a bit. I suspect the phone is the primary culprit, but also
>believe a lot of the dropped calls, voice echos, and static are due to
>Cingular as well.
>
>
>So for those who have switched from Cingular to Verizon, what is your
>experience? Better/worse call quality? Areas of service that are not
>as strong as Cingular (I am in Portland OR)? Should I bite the bullet
>and stay with Cingular given the lack of promotional offers with
>regards to rollover minutes or early call times with Verizon?
>
>
>
>- Clayton
Clayton: I moved from cingular after 2 long years, and went to Verizon
Cingular had the best coverage I have experienced.
Cigular had the absolute worst service I have ever experienced.
I'll mitigate that , Once I managed to get a hold of a seriously
techie young lady and she was great.
Once in two tears.
Verizon appears to have pretty good coverage. I have had a couple
hiccups, but the service folks were really good. The only exception
was when I took my razor in for a replacement the support kid in the
store worked like he was moving through molasses.
I like the options such as being able to turn my phone into a high end
gps for either 3 bucks a day or 10 bucks fort the month. the 2 week
free trial wasn't bad either :-)
I like the menus on the cingular razor better than on verizon's razor,
but much of that is I was very used to one model and have to get used
to the other.
All in all I think I made a good choice jumping. I do wish I'd gone
for the LG chocolate instead of the razor.
Cheers
edw
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On 2007-01-08, jdoe <jdoe@msn.com> wrote:
> I have both VZW and Cingular phones. I find some areas where Cingular shines
> and VZW doesn't and the opposite also.
I have phones from both companies also, and I also find the same thing.
Where I live Verizon seems to do better in more places than Cingular,
though.
> quality. So basically I cannot complain about them (Cingular). BTW I got
> Cingular only because the idiots at the VZW store couldn't figure out how to
> give me International roaming so I cancelled a line and went to Cingular. I
> was able to get an intl. roaming plan and intl ld for VERY reasonable costs
> and it worked flawlessly.
Yes, this is true. If you pay Cingular $10/month or so more they'll
give you quite attractive international roaming and long distance rates
(or, attractive by cell phone carriers' standards, at least). Verizon
can't, or won't, come close to this. Of course, if a lot of your
international roaming and calling is to Canada and Mexico specifically then
for $20/month or so more Verizon has a plan that Cingular can't match.
Figuring out what's worth it and what's not can make your head hurt, though.
> automatically renew my contract like vzw, hell vzw tried to screw me when my
> kid's phone was stolen and I reactivated a phone I had here and they stuck
> me with a 2 year extension without my knowledge or permission!
> So if you think that stuff is less crap than Cingular well........go ahead
> and switch. Me? Well I believe I will go the other way.
The funny thing is, I've had the opposite experience with customer service.
Every time I've had to talk to Cingular about anything it seems like
they've either tried to extend my contract or otherwise make me pay
a lot of money for what I wanted. Verizon, however, let me change to a
promotional plan that existed when I signed up for service but didn't
exist when I decided I wanted it, and they did so without extending
my contract. More than this, when I needed a new phone (my wife
dropped her's in a puddle), or was thinking about broadband service,
they seemed to be able to find way better prices on the hardware
than any of their printed price lists showed, gave them to me even
though I wasn't willing to go more than a year on contract, and
gave me extensions on the trial periods at that.
The reason this worries me, however, is that while I'm definitely
a nobody at Cingular (apart for the occasional high phone bill) I
get the impression that I ended up on some VIP list at Verizon that
they'll kick me off of when they figure out I'm not whomever it is
they think I am, and then both carriers will be equally bad.
> I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
> analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
> (CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
> strangest places sometimes.
It's a huge advantage, though once Cingular turns off their AMPS
network, part of the advantage will disappear. It's rather amusing that
as a Verizon customer I can make calls on Cingular's network, in areas
where 95% of Cingular's customers can't use the only available Cingular
network, i.e. in the Florida Everglades.
> Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
> than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
> IMHO.
A few minutes ago my nephew called me from Gainesville, FL, reminding me
to watch the BCS game at 5:00 p.m. PST. He was calling from his cell
phone, and I could barely decode what he was saying the quality of the
call was bad. I told him, "let me guess, you have Cingular." He laughed,
and told me that he was changing soon, to either Alltel or Verizon, as
the Cingular coverage in Gainesville is terrible.
> Its the network that matters, not the gimicks. VZW stands far taller
> than the rest. Its not perfect, but better than any other network,
> IMHO.
It depends on the area, but in the west, including California, Nevada,
Oregon, and Washington, Verizon is magnitudes better than Cingular.
Also, in Alaska, the CDMA and AMPS coverage is much better than the GSM
coverage. I guess there are some areas where Cingular is better, but in
the west, Cingular is hemorrhaging subscribers that are moving to Verizon.
Mij Adyaw wrote:
> It all depends upon where you live, In some areas Verizon is better, in
> other areas Cingular is better, in other areas T-Mobile is better, and in
> other areas Sprint is better. Get the idea? No one provider is really
> "better".
Actually, if you look at all the independent studies, there are better
and poorer providers. Verizon tends to be the best provider in the most
parts of the country. You may find an isolated area where another
provider is better, but overall, you need to go by the survey results.
> seems to depend on where you live. in the pacific northwest, cingular
> is a ton better than verizon. not even close. out here, people are
> leaving verizon wireless by the droves and the best coverage is with
> cingular. verizon wireless has very very poor coverage in the west
> and their customer non support is worthless.
You may want to rephrase that and eliminate the bold faced lie(S).. I live
in the PNW (rathdum Idaho), and while cingular has stores about 15 miles
away, and will gladly sell you a phone, it will **NOT** work in this area,
AT ALL! Funny, but verizon works great here, yet cingular/sprint/etc don't
work at all! I was vacationing in Las Vegas (that's out west), using my
verizon phone, and it not only worked great but switched to high speed evdo
mode..
So much for that c*** about the pacific northwest (lie #1), and the other
c*** about out west (lie #2)......
In article <45a2db6d$0$69006$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
> Actually, if you look at all the independent studies, there are better
> and poorer providers. Verizon tends to be the best provider in the most
> parts of the country. You may find an isolated area where another
> provider is better, but overall, you need to go by the survey results.
You and Mij are both right. But try to find native VZW coverage in
Arkansas or Oklahoma, including the large cities, like Little Rock and
Oklahoma City. Nothing. Sprint is in both areas. I believe Alltel is
too (Alltel's HQ is in Little Rock).
--
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Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrneq5lqi.85.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> The reason this worries me, however, is that while I'm definitely
> a nobody at Cingular (apart for the occasional high phone bill) I
> get the impression that I ended up on some VIP list at Verizon that
> they'll kick me off of when they figure out I'm not whomever it is
> they think I am, and then both carriers will be equally bad.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
>
The online Wikipedia lists two Dennis Fergusons. One of them is a Tennesee
politician of some note. The other is a notorious Australian pedophile the
rednecks keep making famous running him out from one town to another in
Queensland.
> I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
> analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
> (CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
> strangest places sometimes.
I am switching from Cingular Analog/TDMA, because of poor GSM coverage
in places where I normally roam off their network. I decided to try
Sprint first because the current AC plan has no coverage at our cabin
(national single rate shows analog), and Sprint shows analog coverage.
So if you don't pay for national single rate, is there really any
analog coverage, except maybe on Verizon at long distances from their
towers?
I just got a Sprint phone, set it up, and am waiting for an antenna
adapter, and then I activate and try for two weeks.
Steven J. Sobol wrote:
> In article <45a2db6d$0$69006$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>
>> Actually, if you look at all the independent studies, there are better
>> and poorer providers. Verizon tends to be the best provider in the most
>> parts of the country. You may find an isolated area where another
>> provider is better, but overall, you need to go by the survey results.
>
> You and Mij are both right. But try to find native VZW coverage in
> Arkansas or Oklahoma, including the large cities, like Little Rock and
> Oklahoma City. Nothing.
Are you saying no coverage, or no native coverage? Most users just want
coverage, and don't care all that much about which carrier is providing
it, occasional non-native coverage is no biggie. In the past two weeks
I've roamed, with a Verizon phone, onto Golden State Cellular, both CDMA
and AMPS, and onto Cingular AMPS. I wasn't thrilled about roaming onto
Cingular, as I think I will be charged for it, but since there was no
CDMA or GSM in the area I was, at least I was doing better than 95% or
so or Cingular's own subscribers that can't use Cingular's AMPS network
at all.
klugja@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I also like the fact that Verizon still supports analog. I have had
>> analog coverage where neither popular digital cell phone standard
>> (CDMA or GSM) will work. My V60s and V325 can make calls in the
>> strangest places sometimes.
> I am switching from Cingular Analog/TDMA, because of poor GSM coverage
> in places where I normally roam off their network. I decided to try
> Sprint first because the current AC plan has no coverage at our cabin
> (national single rate shows analog), and Sprint shows analog coverage.
> So if you don't pay for national single rate, is there really any
> analog coverage, except maybe on Verizon at long distances from their
> towers?
>
> I just got a Sprint phone, set it up, and am waiting for an antenna
> adapter, and then I activate and try for two weeks.
It sucks what Verizon did with AC2. They did it because of complaints
about off-extended-network roaming charges, but surely they could have
made such roaming an option that subscribers had to call to have
enabled, expressly agreeing (again) to pay the roaming charges. Of
course this might look bad in terms of their marketing.
Leave Cingular for Verizon? 
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