On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, John Slade wrote:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>> A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand for
>> it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE technology. A
>> Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of Verizon's high end
>> phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.
> but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
> 802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.
Where there is WiFi, there is probably also a real keyboard and a real
monitor. Or at least a laptop.
Sheesh, if you have to use a bitty device over WiFi, why not a Nokia N800
which has TWICE the screen resolution of the crappy iPhone?
-- Mark --
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On Nov 4, 10:06 pm, "IMHO IIRC" <NOS...@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
> Innews:im-F3B123.17191704112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net,
> John Slade <i...@idiot.com> typed:
>
> > Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>
> >> A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand for
> >> it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE technology. A
> >> Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of Verizon's high end
> >> phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.
>
> > but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
> > 802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.
>
> WiFi is not availale 90% of the time - from my experience more like not
> available 90% and almost always not free.
>
> Why do I need WiFi at home and WiFi at work to use the iPhone for internet
> access?
> I have large monitors and highspeed internet available at those places.
Actually you are missing something. In Japan which leads the world in
technology the PC is no longer of importance to the population beyond
their job. They now rely on items similar to the iPhone to do most of
their email, music etc. Experts are worried that that trend may spread
to the USA and the decline in PC sales will accelerate with the
population now turning to gadgets like the iPhone and widescreen HDTV.
Verizon doesn't have any of the really neat stuff that isn't
crippled.
BTW I just jailbreaked an iTouch and it is amazing what can be already
put on an iPhone or iTouch. They run an OS that is a cross between
UNIX and LINIX. These are powerful little computers in the palm of
your hand with a slick GUI. I can see why anyone really into neat
stuff wants one regardless of the AT&T connection to the iPhone in the
USA. Both do WiFi so 3G is irrelevant as mentioned by another post
quoted above (EVDO sucks on my LG VZ phone). A portable device without
WiFi is not where people want to go.
John Slade <im@idiot.com> wrote in news:im-AA0F68.17230704112007
@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net:
> so it sounds like you aren't keeping up with the changes on the
iphone.
>
>
Nope, sorry. It was hilarious, though...(c;
Finally got my Nokia N800 to operate over BT DUN with a shiny new
Moto ROKR Z6M on Alltel, today...(c; EVDO much faster on ROKR.
Also did a reconnect to MobiTV's 25 channel TV streamer on the
ROKR as I already have UNLIMITED....truely UNLIMITED....data
support for $25/mo. ROKR is a cool phone....very nice.
I stumbled upon how to get it to talk to the tablet by accident.
Alltel told me it couldn't be done, of course.
In news:1194231426.658543.230720@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com,
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> typed:
> On Nov 4, 10:06 pm, "IMHO IIRC" <NOS...@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
>> Innews:im-F3B123.17191704112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net,
>> John Slade <i...@idiot.com> typed:
>>
>>> Mark Crispin <m...@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>>
>>>> A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand
>>>> for it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE
>>>> technology. A Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of
>>>> Verizon's high end phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.
>>
>>> but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
>>> 802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.
>>
>> WiFi is not availale 90% of the time - from my experience more like not
>> available 90% and almost always not free.
>>
>> Why do I need WiFi at home and WiFi at work to use the iPhone for
>> internet access?
>> I have large monitors and highspeed internet available at those places.
>
> Actually you are missing something. In Japan which leads the world in
> technology the PC is no longer of importance to the population beyond
> their job. They now rely on items similar to the iPhone to do most of
> their email, music etc. Experts are worried that that trend may spread
> to the USA and the decline in PC sales will accelerate with the
> population now turning to gadgets like the iPhone and widescreen HDTV.
> Verizon doesn't have any of the really neat stuff that isn't
> crippled.
>
> BTW I just jailbreaked an iTouch and it is amazing what can be already
> put on an iPhone or iTouch. They run an OS that is a cross between
> UNIX and LINIX. These are powerful little computers in the palm of
> your hand with a slick GUI. I can see why anyone really into neat
> stuff wants one regardless of the AT&T connection to the iPhone in the
> USA. Both do WiFi so 3G is irrelevant as mentioned by another post
> quoted above (EVDO sucks on my LG VZ phone). A portable device without
> WiFi is not where people want to go.
>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071104/japan..._pcs.html?.v=2
Acording to your reference - in Japan they have 3G and next year will be
switching to 4G.
WiFi is not not available most places in the USA - and where it is - it is
usually not free.
I guess I will stick with my 21 inch monitor with 1600 x 1200 resolution -
rather than replace it with an iPhone with a 3.5 inch 320 X 480 resolution
screen for E-Mail and web browsing.
Oh by the way - How do you use the keyboard and view the webpage or a
document you are editing at the same time?
"IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote in
news:kFwXi.2561$_S5.414@newsfe21.lga:
> WiFi is not not available most places in the USA - and where it
is -
> it is usually not free.
>
>
What part of the sticks do YOU live in?? The only reason I care
that my Nokia N800 internet tablet has BT through the SELLphone
internet is so I can stay connected in the car. WiMax will solve
that problem, too..(c;
I live in Charleston, SC. Every hotel, better restaurants,
transport terminal, the whole downtown city has free wifi,
marinas, and just walking down the street is full of
hotspots...but it can't roam, hence the SELLphone link.
Sprint WiMax should eat SELLular's shorts after the buildout.
Larry
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Larry wrote:
> "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote in
> news:kFwXi.2561$_S5.414@newsfe21.lga:
>
>> WiFi is not not available most places in the USA - and where it
> is -
>> it is usually not free.
>>
>>
>
> What part of the sticks do YOU live in?? The only reason I care
> that my Nokia N800 internet tablet has BT through the SELLphone
> internet is so I can stay connected in the car. WiMax will solve
> that problem, too..(c;
>
> I live in Charleston, SC. Every hotel, better restaurants,
> transport terminal, the whole downtown city has free wifi,
> marinas, and just walking down the street is full of
> hotspots...but it can't roam, hence the SELLphone link.
>
> Sprint WiMax should eat SELLular's shorts after the buildout.
>
>
> Larry
I travel a lot and WiFi is hardly as common as you claim it is. The
biggest city next to me has now advertised for bid twice for a citywide
WiFi system and no one has responded.
It even seems that the "free Wifi" in your city has gone dark:
Charleston, SC's free Wi-Fi network goes dark
In another example of a private partner under-estimating the scope of
muni Wi-Fi projects, the city of Charleston, SC, is being forced to
decommission the free wireless hotspot that is already operating there.
Whether the city will have to abandon the network remains to be seen.
Charleston had planed to deploy a wireless mesh across the city. Two
years after it announced the plan, it is terminating its contract with
the company that pledged to build and pay for it in exchange for the
right to sell upgrades to a faster subscription service.
Sound familiar? This is the same business model that EarthLink was
pursuing and that proved unworkable for that company. Widespread now
says it underestimated how much hardware would be required to blanket
the city with a signal.
Charleston is looking for a provider to pick-up where Widespread left
off. The city's economic developer told a local paper, The Post and
Courier, that Charleston's objectives have not changed.
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, 4phun wrote:
> Actually you are missing something. In Japan which leads the world in
> technology the PC is no longer of importance to the population beyond
> their job.
More like, every home in Japan already has multiple PCs and the market is
saturated.
> BTW I just jailbreaked an iTouch and it is amazing what can be already
> put on an iPhone or iTouch.
Why jailbreak an iPhone/iTouch and risk having Apple iBrick it, when you
can buy a Nokia N800 for $230 that does all that and more? There is an
active open-source developer community for the N800. What's more, the
N800 runs Linux, not the funky hacked BSD that Mac OS X runs.
The N800 has WiFi built in, and if you want to use a mobile phone network
the N800 will talk with any Bluetooth phone. No need to lock into AT&T.
So my N800 works fine with Verizon's 3G network.
-- Mark --
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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, IMHO IIRC wrote:
> Acording to your reference - in Japan they have 3G and next year will be
> switching to 4G.
Correct. 3G had a rough start in Japan since Vodafone didn't really
invest in the necessary infrastructure to build their network, and NTT
DoCoMo had a slighly-incompatible earlier version called FOMA.
However, since SoftBank bought out Vodafone it's been going like
gangbusters.
> WiFi is not not available most places in the USA - and where it is - it is
> usually not free.
That is the same situation in Japan. It is almost impossible to find an
open, free, WiFi network in Japan. Almost everybody has their networks
set invisible; and the ones which aren't invisible invariably have full
WPA (they don't trust WEP) *and* MAC address filtering.
I can count on one hand the number of places where I found open, free,
WiFi in public places in Japan...and still have fingers left. The culture
of open, free, WiFi is mostly a North American thing. I hear that in
Europe, you can't assume that you can use an open network, even if it
associates and you get IP connectivity: it's a crime if you don't have
permission from the network's owner.
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George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:rO6dnTe1caLls7LanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> Charleston is looking for a provider to pick-up where Widespread
left
> off. The city's economic developer told a local paper, The Post
and
> Courier, that Charleston's objectives have not changed.
>
>
Hmm....I wonder who's wifi is all over downtown?? Thanks for info.
I didn't know. It always connects when I'm downtown!
Larry
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Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.9999.0711050913281.2221@pangtzu. panda.com:
> when you
> can buy a Nokia N800 for $230 that does all that and more?
There is
> an active open-source developer community for the N800. What's
more,
> the N800 runs Linux, not the funky hacked BSD that Mac OS X
runs.
>
> The N800 has WiFi built in, and if you want to use a mobile
phone
> network the N800 will talk with any Bluetooth phone. No need
to lock
> into AT&T. So my N800 works fine with Verizon's 3G network.
>
>
Er, ah....One of my friends got his N800, TODAY, from Buy.com for
$198 with the $30 discount for applying for the Buy.com/Chase
VISA card from Buy's website. They wouldn't give him $10 more
discount for buying through Google Checkout simultaneously...(c;
My Nokia N800 Navigation Kit will be on the Fedex truck,
tomorrow! I can't wait....(c;
I got Maemo Mapper already installed for the Google Earth link!
(looking at the tablet display)..."Is this tree on the sat photo
that one over there??"....(c;
Open Source.....not OS X. It's just better.
Larry
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Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in
news:alpine.OSX.0.9999.0711050917260.2221@pangtzu. panda.com:
> I can count on one hand the number of places where I found
open, free,
> WiFi in public places in Japan...and still have fingers left.
The
> culture of open, free, WiFi is mostly a North American thing.
I hear
> that in Europe, you can't assume that you can use an open
network,
> even if it associates and you get IP connectivity: it's a crime
if you
> don't have permission from the network's owner.
>
>
How sad. You boys help yourselves to my hotspot "W4CSC" which is
55' up a tree outside my house at 200mw with coverage of about 2
miles if you use a Pringle's Can beam antenna....(c;
If everyone simply shared the connections we already have,
SELLular could kiss our open asses!
yeah it is. I bet no one can go a week without saying the word " i phone"
in this group.
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>> The entire thread is off topic.
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> yeah it is. I bet no one can go a week without saying the word
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>>>
>>> The entire thread is off topic.
>>
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