LG Voyager and I phone

I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager slated to
come out in middle of November. It has been said that Verizon stepped up
their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to compete with I phone. I was
able to compare the Voyager and I phone, and while I phone does have cool
user interface touch screen with some nice menu, Voyager seems to have
better hand with their qwerty keyboard, and EnVO network. I want to hear
some of your opionion on this. Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
not, why not?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:26:51 -0500, "Nobody you want to meet...."
<silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager slated to
>come out in middle of November. It has been said that Verizon stepped up
>their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to compete with I phone. I was
>able to compare the Voyager and I phone, and while I phone does have cool
>user interface touch screen with some nice menu, Voyager seems to have
>better hand with their qwerty keyboard, and EnVO network. I want to hear
>some of your opionion on this. Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
>not, why not?
>

In case anyone wants to see it:

http://tinyurl.com/26r87v

"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
> compete with I phone.

I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.

As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
carrier.



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My feelings exactly, not to mention, I'm not white collar. My hands are
always dirty. The last thing I want is a touch screen phone




"XS11E" <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99D7EED933C2Bxs11emailinatorcom@69.28.173. 184...
> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>> compete with I phone.
>
> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>
> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
> carrier.
>
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project:
> http://improve-usenet.org

XS11E wrote:
> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>> compete with I phone.
>
> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>
> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
> carrier.
>
I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

In news:y4yVi.1565$965.296@newsfe12.lga,
Carl <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> typed:
> XS11E wrote:
>> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager
>>> slated to come out in middle of November. It has been said that
>>> Verizon stepped up their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to
>>> compete with I phone.
>>
>> I'm interested in neither, both are loaded with features I don't use.
>>
>> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
>> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
>> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
>> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
>> carrier.
>>
> I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

I thought the same thing, but everyone seems to be saying it was only 2
years.

"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:w4WdnYgJCop0_bjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
> not, why not?
>

No. Both units are made to SELL bandwidth. All other possible
uses are absent. No carrier is going to sell a device that uses
bandwidth without maximizing profits. It's stupid to think
otherwise. Both these units are the result of the carrier's
bureaucrats ideas of how to expand SALES of services.

They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker who
writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.

Both these devices were created to help carriers SELL services.

Larry
--
Would you buy a computer hobbled up by Comcast so it wouldn't use
up bandwidth? Why would you buy an internet tablet this way??

On 2007-10-30, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> "Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:w4WdnYgJCop0_bjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> Is Voyager actually better than I phone? if
>> not, why not?
>>
>
> No.

Have you actually used either phone?

It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of opinions.

> They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker who
> writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
> revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.

But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.



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"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> XS11E wrote:
>> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal
>> with AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be
>> available to all carriers as soon as the current contract expires
>> so if you want an iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18
>> months or so from any carrier.
>>
> I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?

Hmmmm, I don't know? I read 2 years somewhere and I wonder if it
might have been here.....

OK, I Googled it as I should have done earlier. You're right, it's 5
years.

Here's a link with some details:

http://www.powerpage.org/2007/05/app...el_iphone.html



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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfiegrm.nm4.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of
opinions.

If only facts were allowed here, there would be no posts...

>
>> They're never going to open the device up to just any hacker
who
>> writes neat software that uses bandwidth but doesn't enhance
>> revenues. That would be stupid on the carrier's part.
>
> But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.
>
>

Name ONE 3rd party iPhone program.....

________________________________________________

Name another

_________________________________________________

Larry
--
http://lybniz2.sourceforge.net/
Daniel Yerga just ported Lybniz 1.3 to Maemo Linux for my N800.
Thank you Daniel! Where were you when I was a math student?!

Daniel and Luis Lorenzo are also responsible for "Maemo
Periodic", a really cool color periodic table for the
N770/800/810. Does your iPhone know about Promethium?
Symbol Pm
Chemical Serie: Lanthamides
Atomic Number: 61
Atomic Weight: 144.912 u.m.
Density: 7.26 g/cm3
Melting Point: 1315K
Boiling Point: 3273K
Atomic Radius: 185 pm
Covalent Radius: 163 pm
Ionic Radius: 97.9 x 10+3 pm
V. d. Walls Radius: n/a
Atomic Volume: 20.2 cm3/mol
Specific Heat: 0.185 j/g mol (@20C)
Fusion Heat: 0.185 j/g mol (@20C)
Evaporation Heat: 290 kj/mol
Thermal Conductivity: 17.9 W/m K (@25C)
Debye Temperature: n/a
Pauling Electronegativity 1.13
Electron Affinity: 50 kj/mol
First Ionizing Energy: 540 kj/mol
Second Ionizing Energy: 1050 kj/mol
Third Ionizing Energy: 2150 kj/mol
Oxidation States: 3
Electronic Configuration: [Xe] 4f+5 6s+2
Lattice Structure: n/a
Lattice Constant: n/a
Lattice c/a ratio: n/a
Abundance Earth's crust: n/a
Appearance: Highly Radioactive
Discovery Date: 1945 (United States)
Discovered By: A Marinsky, L. E. Glendenin, C. D. Coryell
Origin of the name: Named for the Greek God Prometheus
It doesn't say how many microseconds Pm lasts...(c;

This is what you get when you click an atom on the chart.

Iron melts at 1,811 degrees K...except on 9/11/2001 when it
melted at less than half that temperature from burning office
equipment helped by thermate.

When will this be ported to the iPhone??.....2481

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
> news:slrnfiegrm.nm4.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:
>
>> It would be more helpful if you posted facts instead of
> opinions.
>
> If only facts were allowed here, there would be no posts...

Well, a lot fewer, anyhow. But still. Posting about devices you've never used
seems kind of pointless. I mean, I know you like to rant, but...

>> But Apple has opened the iPhone to third parties.
>
> Name ONE 3rd party iPhone program.....

Um, Larry.

This JUST happened. A couple weeks ago IIRC. I'm sure no one has released
third-party apps for the iPhone yet. That does not invalidate my point;
you can check Google News if you don't believe me.

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Local wildfire coverage, KFMB-TV San Diego: http://cbs8.com/

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfihhk8.nbg.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> Well, a lot fewer, anyhow. But still. Posting about devices
you've
> never used seems kind of pointless. I mean, I know you like to
rant,
> but...
>
>

I have spent a lot of time researching the iPhone and pestering
the ATT store reps playing with it...before deciding the Nokia
N800 was just a better product from a better philosophy
(Linux/open source without a sleazy carrier turning everything
off that uses bandwidth), even if it weren't so much cheaper,
without the Apple/ATT/Sellphone hobbling we're all quite used to,
by now.

As to the new vaporware tablet, having been a customer of Verizon
Wireless since it was called GTE Wireless and before when it was
called Cellular One after it was called Cellular One of
Charleston, a local franchise of CellOne, I speak with some small
authority on the history of VZW's perpensity to destroy any
normal operational feature of any equipment it sell that can be
sold back to their customers at tremendous expense. I was, after
all, one of the first 10 customers to come online the day
Sellular Service was offered, here. Of course, it was a
different, much friendlier company in the beginning.

Armed with this historical perspective, I feel confident the
company has NOT made a complete turnaround from being an arrogant
bunch of assholes to a customer friendly, open sourced, anything
goes wonderful corporation, especially given its most recent
agreement with the State of New York attorney general's office
regarding its sleazy sales tactics and grossly misrepresented
internet product.

Any new product offered by this wonderful corporation must NOT be
capable of operating outside the company's stupid "email and
webpage ONLY" tiny pinhole of intermittent data service to the
internet we know. So, I'll, once again, even having never laid
eyes on this wonderful piece of vaporware, declare that, given
its long history of deceit, this beautiful device will be a
locked up, hobbled up, useless piece of shit from a corporation
constantly spewing locked up, hobbled up, useless pieces of shit.

Wouldn't you agree??



Larry
--
You can tell there's extremely
intelligent life in the universe
because they have never called Earth.

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> I have spent a lot of time researching the iPhone and pestering
> the ATT store reps playing with it...before deciding the Nokia
> N800 was just a better product

Ok, I'll buy that.

> As to the new vaporware tablet, having been a customer of Verizon
> Wireless since it was called GTE Wireless and before when it was
> called Cellular One after it was called Cellular One of
> Charleston, a local franchise of CellOne, I speak with some small
> authority on the history of VZW's perpensity to destroy any
> normal operational feature of any equipment it sell that can be
> sold back to their customers at tremendous expense.

That's no secret.

> I was, after
> all, one of the first 10 customers to come online the day
> Sellular Service was offered, here. Of course, it was a
> different, much friendlier company in the beginning.

GTE was GTE from their entry into my hometown in... I don't know, the late
Eighties/early Nineties... until they were divested to Alltel. There was a
CellularONE franchise in Cleveland, but it became AirTouch early on (I think
maybe mid-90's, about the time the carriers were rolling out digital), and
from there it became Verizon Wireless.

So GTE never was the friendly local C1 franchise (that'd be NewPar
Cellular; the license was in their name then and is now, even in the Age of
VZW). So I guess my perspective may differ slightly from yours.

> Armed with this historical perspective, I feel confident the
> company has NOT made a complete turnaround from being an arrogant
> bunch of assholes to a customer friendly, open sourced, anything
> goes wonderful corporation

Oh, I would never question that. I'm sure they haven't. The point was made,
however, about devices (not carriers).

> Wouldn't you agree??

In fact, I found absolutely nothing I could disagree with in this post.


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Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfihhk8.nbg.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> This JUST happened. A couple weeks ago IIRC. I'm sure no one
has released
> third-party apps for the iPhone yet. That does not invalidate
my point;
> you can check Google News if you don't believe me.
>

Would it be prudent to point out that the very DAY the original
Nokia N770 internet tablet was introduced, there was ALREADY a
long line of ported programs from the open source Linux hackers
available to run on it, a trend that continues even though the
device is no longer produced.

iPhone was not developed in the last "couple of weeks". Apple
had LOTS of time during its development to release to third
parties, notably MAC/OSX third parties, an SDK and could have
given them time to develop, without Apple or ATT interference,
3rd party applications, games and other toys for the iPhone.

Only in response to PRESSURE from the market, so noted by the
drastic drop in initial price so soon after its unfortunate
introduction and subsequent hacker attacks on its OS
vulnerabilities to open it, whether Apple or ATT wanted it or
not, did Apple, to preserve SOME control of what is to be run on
it by the companies involved, before the hacker community who
doesn't like to be told "no" by large monoliths. Apple ONLY
responded AFTER the OS was hacked, then hacked again after the
ver 1.1.1 disabling debacle. This proves, to me at least, what
the corporate mindset of these two companies really is.....

"We'd rather destroy your new product than let you have any
control over its use."

Same old Mac bullshit since the Apple 2....proprietary.

I don't believe this is the end of it. I think you'll see full
working iPhone Linux boxes on Ebay with all those unlocked 1.1.1
OSx boxes in a couple of months, destroying the stupid
corporations' desires. Just watch. It'll be fun.

Larry
--
Darn! No new programs for N800 today! Linux hackers planning
for Trick or Treat?......working on iPhone Linux port??...(c;

Ask the Xbox crew if you think it CAN'T be done...

On 2007-10-31, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> iPhone was not developed in the last "couple of weeks". Apple
> had LOTS of time during its development to release to third
> parties, notably MAC/OSX third parties, an SDK and could have
> given them time to develop, without Apple or ATT interference,
> 3rd party applications, games and other toys for the iPhone.

They did have time. They chose not to.

> I don't believe this is the end of it. I think you'll see full
> working iPhone Linux boxes on Ebay with all those unlocked 1.1.1
> OSx boxes in a couple of months, destroying the stupid
> corporations' desires. Just watch. It'll be fun.

We won't see iPhones running Linux. And I don't know how tightly locked the
OSX iPhones are. (Probably *very* tightly, I'd imagine.)


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Hmm.. what about other phones that supposedly be " i phone killers"
"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:w4WdnYgJCop0_bjanZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I want to hear some of you all's opinon on I phone and Voyager slated to
>come out in middle of November. It has been said that Verizon stepped up
>their game with LG Voyager, that is supposed to compete with I phone. I was
>able to compare the Voyager and I phone, and while I phone does have cool
>user interface touch screen with some nice menu, Voyager seems to have
>better hand with their qwerty keyboard, and EnVO network. I want to hear
>some of your opionion on this. Is Voyager actually better than I phone?
>if not, why not?
>

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfii48b.uh6.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> GTE was GTE from their entry into my hometown in... I don't
know, the
> late Eighties/early Nineties... until they were divested to
Alltel.
> There was a CellularONE franchise in Cleveland, but it became
AirTouch
> early on (I think maybe mid-90's, about the time the carriers
were
> rolling out digital), and from there it became Verizon
Wireless.
>
> So GTE never was the friendly local C1 franchise (that'd be
NewPar
> Cellular; the license was in their name then and is now, even
in the
> Age of VZW). So I guess my perspective may differ slightly from
yours.
>
>

The first carrier in Charleston, SC, was Cellular One of
Charleston, a local Cellular One franchisee, I suppose. They had
2 towers 500' tall, broad base, huge antenna farms on AMPS, of
course. More towers happened soon after I got my AMPS carphone,
so I graduated to a brute Panasonic carry phone (no bag, the
camcorder 2.5AH gelcell slid into the metal case, which fit in
the car on bolt heads and plugged into cig lighter and serious
mobile antenna in center of roof, professionally installed by
Cellular One in their garage, while-you-wait in the nice lounge
dining on donuts/coffee/soft drinks/etc., and watch cable TV in
air conditioned comfort....all very nice and professional. They
really cared for all 10 of us...(c; Everyone said it was crap
and they'd give up their 75 watt "Carphones" on Dialpage or Ma
Bell from their cold-dead-hands. Coming from 8 crowded IMTS VHF
channels you could hardly make a call on at $3/min to a system
with 50 customers sharing 832 channels on 800Mhz AMPS was MOST
pleasurable! For a while, they didn't keep airtime data as the
equipment just sat idle for hours so what was the point. BIG
REWARDS, months of free cellular if you wanted to play salesman
and hoodwinked unsuspecting IMTS users to that nice garage...(c;
I don't think I had a phone bill for 2 years...it was EASY, just
let 'em make an uninterrupted call from your own private 50
channels with no competition! "Talk all you like.", I used to
tell them as they wanted to hang up fast like IMTS rates
demanded. AMPS calls were impressive with no load on the system.
From 500' towers and 24 watts ERP off the high gain colinear
antennas, range was impressive, too!

Cellular One bought out the franchise and we got new digs with a
bigger garage, lounge, fancy sales floor, pretty girls that could
sell a bagphone to a stone statue. The bricks we all drooled
over and played with in the lounge were still EXPENSIVE and for
the very rich. I was buying Moto bagphones from a guy in Atlanta
and making a few bucks on equipment. C1 would put any bagphone
online that you could power up.

GTE bought out C1 many years later and it all went downhill as
the local people were replaced with stupid people who couldn't
put a camcorder battery in a bagphone, having come from WalMart
at minimum wage. The lounge soon closed but they still had
chairs to sit on until GTE took over and hosed those. GTE caught
people waiting for the idiots "in the back" you couldn't see to
fix handsets, now AMPS flipphones by this time, leaning against
the counter they had put so you could write your check to pay
your bill.....so GTE removed the counter so noone could lean on
it. Bastards. They'd do anything to keep you from hanging
around more than a few minutes. C1 originals, fed up with this
crap, fled to 360 Communications on B system that was much nicer.
360 was bought out by Alltel across the South.

Alltel was much better because 360 had B license all across
Eastern SC, not just Charleston like GTE. A small Mom&Pop cell
company owned S of Charleston to Savannah and refused to roam GTE
customers so they switched to B and roamed for big money on
Alltel. This caused more churning, especially when they had to
do the same thing to roam to Georgetown and Myrtle Beach because
another uncooperative carrier didn't want all those GTE hacks
jamming up their little system on that coveted Myrtle Beach
Vacation system. So, lots moved to 360, which became Alltel.
360 spent vast sums erecting AMPS towers across the Countryside
all the way to Columbia, where they were the A carriers. Your
phone used to switch to A just about when you crossed I-95 on I-
26 headed NW, to stay on Alltel's home rates. 360/Alltel didn't
charge you to roam on their system in Columbia, a REAL selling
point at the roaming rates of the time!

Alltel STILL has the best service across the eastern half of SC.
They swapped systems with Verizon on 800 long ago to have all the
same set of channels across the state. VZW bought a little PCS
carrier to have a presence in Myrtle Beach/Conway/Georgetown, so
you go from 800 Mhz to 1900 Mhz as you go N up US 17 from here.
PCS still sucks away from the towers. It wasn't made for the
country.

Larry
--

Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:slrnfii744.4mn.sjsobol@amethyst.justthe.net:

> They chose not to.
>

Dammit! I made the mistake of looking on YouTube for more N800
videos tonight and it cost me $200! This guy:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thoughtfix
from Tabletblog.com has a series of videos on the Nokia GPS
Navigation Kit for the N800 from unboxing it to testing it on the
road. I couldn't stand it. Buy.com is just so EASY to order
from....(c; Mine'll be here by monday. The program and maps
come on a 2GB SDmini with the SD adapter. You just plug it in
and it installs itself, then BT pair with the tiny, rechargeable
Bluetooth GPS receiver.

He also does a video on the GPS on a preliminary model 810, which
has the GPS built inside it. The N800's external GPS, INSIDE his
Phoenix apartment, locked up OUT OF THE BOX in about 4 seconds,
flat from a cold start! The N810 took 4 minutes, but that's
probably not fair as it's a demo model, not production. I think
I like the idea of the external BT GPS receiver separate, better,
too. If you're in a vehicle with poor GPS view of the sky, you
can put the GPS receiver OUTSIDE the vehicle, exposed to the sky,
and the BT will transmit to the N800 INSIDE, easy....remote
control. The GPS kit is really tiny, easy to pocket to use while
walking, biking, hiking, or riding my Honda Reflex scooter..(c;

The kit has a really nice mounting kit to the windshield, too.

Dammit YouTube....$200!

Larry
--
He who dies with the MOST toys.........er, ah.....dies.

"Nobody you want to meet...." <silky_mez@yahoo.com> wrote in
newsN6dnc1y-8phtLTanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com:

> Is Voyager actually better than I phone?
>

Go to YouTube. Search on Nokia N800 and N810 for videos.

See how the other half lives....without the SELLphone hobbling.
The bloggers give you hands-on training, even how to take it
apart! I can't believe the screen is so EASY to change!

I ordered the GPS Navigation Kit for my Nokia N800 because of the
damned YouTube videos, tonight....(c; Check out what the hackers
have done with it:
https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemo-mapper/
This is not the street maps and software that comes with the GPS
kit, this puts YOU on Google Earth/maps/streets LIVE!

Way cool stuff...especially walking around a strange city.

Don't miss these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BorZkQ2Vo
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=thoughtfix
http://www.tabletblog.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWAmxpQP0Ww

Larry
--
I just can't see Voyager, programmed by a SELLphone company that
just agreed with NY State to stop advertising as Unlimited
Internet its email/webpage ONLY internet product allowing its
Voyager to do ANYHING else besides basic email and webpage
browsing over its limited system, can you? That can't be
"better" than anything!

Nope...Nokia's done it right...away from the SELLphone
carriers...at a Bluetooth distance with no backdoor to screw it
up. You wouldn't buy your computer operating system from
Comcast, would you??

While on YouTube, do a search for:

iphone bill

and have a little fun at ATT's expense! One guy got a huge box
with the ATT logo on it that had his ATT BILL IN IT....all
137,000 pages! They log every KILOBYTE an iPhone uses! The
bills are HUGE!...(c;

Some kid took his iPhone out of the country on 2-weeks vacation.
The iPhone ran up a $4,200 ROAMING BILL checking his email!!

At 31 Oct 2007 17:56:38 +0000 Steve Sobol wrote:

> This JUST happened. A couple weeks ago IIRC. I'm sure no one has
released
> third-party apps for the iPhone yet. That does not invalidate my point;
> you can check Google News if you don't believe me.

IIRC, all that happened is that Apple announced they _would_ open it up
to 3rd-party development next year, with an SDK available in February.

Here is something to ponder if Verizon chose the IPhone it would decide
to start acquiring GSM cells. Then we would have GSM/CDMA phones so it
could work everywhere throughout the world. Verizon should offer GSM in
addition to CDMA so you can use your phone everywhere. Vodaphone could
work the deals out and you keep your Verizon number.


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On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, travelplus wrote:
> Here is something to ponder if Verizon chose the IPhone it would decide
> to start acquiring GSM cells. Then we would have GSM/CDMA phones so it
> could work everywhere throughout the world. Verizon should offer GSM in
> addition to CDMA so you can use your phone everywhere. Vodaphone could
> work the deals out and you keep your Verizon number.

Verizon already offers four models of four band CDMA 850/1900 GSM 900/1800
phones. My Motorola A840 works in most places in the world.

Verizon most certainly is not going to offer GSM. That would be a huge
step backwards for it -- all the way back to 2G from 3G EV-DO. The GSM
world has its own 3G standard (UMTS) that is rapidly replacing GSM (and
Japan skipped GSM entirely and went straight to UMTS).

Verizon and Vodafone are planning on a single 4G system that both the
CDMA/EV-DO and GSM/UMTS worlds will convert to around 2011.

A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand for
it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE technology. A
Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of Verizon's high end
phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.

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On 2007-11-04, travelplus <travelplus.2zim0d@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>
> Here is something to ponder if Verizon chose the IPhone it would decide
> to start acquiring GSM cells. Then we would have GSM/CDMA phones so it
> could work everywhere throughout the world. Verizon should offer GSM in
> addition to CDMA so you can use your phone everywhere. Vodaphone could
> work the deals out and you keep your Verizon number.

We already have GSM/CDMA phones. They just don't run on American GSM
frequencies.

And Verizon is not going GSM just so they can sell iPhones, troll.



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Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:

> A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand for
> it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE technology. A
> Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of Verizon's high end
> phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.

but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> and have a little fun at ATT's expense! One guy got a huge box
> with the ATT logo on it that had his ATT BILL IN IT....all
> 137,000 pages! They log every KILOBYTE an iPhone uses! The
> bills are HUGE!...(c;

they stopped doing that months ago larry. it wasn't 137,000 pages. it
was a couple hundred. still bad, but they sent a note out to all iphone
users saying they no longer would send paper unless they requested it.

> Some kid took his iPhone out of the country on 2-weeks vacation.
> The iPhone ran up a $4,200 ROAMING BILL checking his email!!

all iphones now have been updated to have an international mode, and att
just announced international rates for the iphone.

so it sounds like you aren't keeping up with the changes on the iphone.

Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>
> Name ONE 3rd party iPhone program.....

how about 400 -

http://www.apple.com/webapps/

"IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:

> >> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
> >> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
> >> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
> >> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
> >> carrier.
> >>
> > I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?
>
> I thought the same thing, but everyone seems to be saying it was only 2
> years.

yeah, it's 2 years. early reports said 5 years, but recently analysts
have learned it's just 2 years with Apple having the option to extended
it.

Ok this converstation is getting off topic again, it seems that this latest
thread focus on iphone, but nothing is uttered about Voyager... Please
discuss the difference and what makes each stands out in their own way.
"John Slade" <im@idiot.com> wrote in message
news:im-5DA886.17315904112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
> "IMHO IIRC" <NOSPAM@NOSPAM.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>> >> As far as comparison, Apple has pretty much admitted their deal with
>> >> AT&T was a HORRIBLE mistake and the iPhone will likely be available to
>> >> all carriers as soon as the current contract expires so if you want an
>> >> iPhone you'll probably be able to get one in 18 months or so from any
>> >> carrier.
>> >>
>> > I thought the contract with AT&T was a 5 year exclusive one?
>>
>> I thought the same thing, but everyone seems to be saying it was only 2
>> years.
>
> yeah, it's 2 years. early reports said 5 years, but recently analysts
> have learned it's just 2 years with Apple having the option to extended
> it.

At 04 Nov 2007 17:19:17 -0700 John Slade wrote:

> but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
> 802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.


But most of that "90% of the time" (at home or work, as your theory goes,)
you'll have access to a computer and won't need to access the web via a
cellphone. When you're out and about, and relying on your phone for web
access, is when you'll be stuck with EDGE... So, while you may have WiFi
available the majority of the time you use the WEB, you'll only have it a
fraction of the time you use your PHONE for the web.

(or, in oxford-posting style:
"think before you post, 'john'..." )

In news:im-F3B123.17191704112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net,
John Slade <im@idiot.com> typed:
> Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>
>> A Verizon iPhone is simply not going to happen. AT&T would not stand for
>> it. With AT&T, the iPhone is stuck at ancient 2.75G EDGE technology. A
>> Verizon iPhone would have to be EV-DO capable (all of Verizon's high end
>> phones are), and EV-DO leaves EDGE in the dust.
>
> but it does have WiFi mark, 90% of the time you'll be on the faster
> 802.11g signal, not EDGE or "G" anything.

WiFi is not availale 90% of the time - from my experience more like not
available 90% and almost always not free.

Why do I need WiFi at home and WiFi at work to use the iPhone for internet
access?
I have large monitors and highspeed internet available at those places.