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Old 11-24-2007, 05:50 AM
Cobra
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Default LG Voyager - wow - what a phone

Just a real quick and dirty review on the Voyager. More to come
later.

I had set very high expectations for the LG Voyager and it has met all
of them. Even the internet browser is great. To my surprise, I was
able to set up MP3, photo and video streaming from my home computer.
That was just the icing on the cake. Another thing to consider is the
provider. Verizon has provided me with excellent customer service. I
have had a couple setup related issues (they did not choose the
correct VZ Navigator app and E-Mail app when they set up the phone).
Nothing major. I would recommend getting the Premium plan.

Dislikes:
Fingerprints. Any touchscreen phone is going to have this problem.

TV antenna looks like it will break easy and reception in large
buidings is not always good unless you are near a window.

The phone sometimes locks up/reboots while texting or playing on the
internet (so far 2-3 times with heavy use) just like my VX9800 did.
This may be due to an old memory card or just trying to do too much
with it.

Battery Life - I need to get 8-10 hours of continuous use with
Bluetooth (MP3 Internet Navigator TV etc) I purchased an extended
battery. It seems like the internet uses lots of battery.

I have found a few bugs with the touchscreen software. Nothing major.

Likes:
Touchscreen provides feedback and seems to be much easier than the
iPhone to type on. The vibrate feedback is something iPhone should
copy.

The flip open keyboard is great just like the previous 2 models of
this phone. Excellent for texting and email. Also serves as a stand
so you can set the phone on a table and watch the TV or streaming
video.

Internet browsing works well. Most of the sites I use work well.
Touch screen browsing is great.

Micro SD 8mb support. Never did care for mini SD because it always
seemed like when I pushed the cards in my fingernail split the card n
the seam.

Removable battery and the ability to buy a high capacity battery. I
would NEVER buy a phone without a removable battery.

Vcast Mobile TV has a great picture and a nice on screen guide
display. Works very well. However, I am not sure it is worth $15 a
month for 8 channels. We'll see....

Easy to get MP3s on the phone using the included software and cable.

Camera works well, even without having a flash.

Stereo Bluetooth works well. I have a Jabra BT8010 hooked up.

VZ Navigator capable- I have been using this product for over a year
now. I am spoiled and would never consider going to a stand alone GPS
system. Works well and is always with me. I am surprised how often I
use it.

Lastly and most importantly the Voyager works very well as a phone and
is more comfortable to hold than the 9800 was. Sound quality is
great.

Is the Voyager for everyone? Probably not. It is an advanced phone.
If all you want to do is play music using iTunes then something like
the iPhone or a similar phone with a removable battery (and stereo
Bluetooth) may be a better bet. If you are a power user, I would
definitely go wth the Voyager.

What will LG come up with next year?

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Old 11-24-2007, 07:23 AM
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On Nov 24, 1:50 am, Cobra <rhste...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Just a real quick and dirty review on the Voyager. More to come
> later.
>
> I had set very high expectations for the LG Voyager
> Nothing major. I would recommend getting the Premium plan.


One way to calculate the cost of a cell phone is to add up the cost of
the phone and the cost to own it for two years.
If one opts for the premimum plan the Voyager is far more expensive
than a phone like the iPhone even though it appears to be cheaper to
obtain. One thing compared to a quality phone it sure appears to be
light weight plastic. It is sort of like buying Wal Mart imitation hub
caps verses getting decent metal hub caps. The Wal Mart product looks
glitzy in the store but...


>
> Dislikes:
> Fingerprints. Any touchscreen phone is going to have this problem.
>
> TV antenna looks like it will break easy and reception in large
> buidings is not always good unless you are near a window.


I noticed that it locked up in the Verizon store and assumed it was a
faulty demo phone.
Could it have probably been rushed to market without getting all the
bugs out of it?

I noticed there were exactly twelve programs you could get so support
or this phone is lacking. There seems to be little interest in third
party hackers / programmers on improving the product compared to the
global interest in the GPhone and the iPhone.

> The phone sometimes locks up/reboots while texting or playing on the
> internet (so far 2-3 times with heavy use) just like my VX9800 did.
> This may be due to an old memory card or just trying to do too much
> with it.
>
> Battery Life - I need to get 8-10 hours of continuous use with
> Bluetooth (MP3 Internet Navigator TV etc) I purchased an extended
> battery. It seems like the internet uses lots of battery.
>
> I have found a few bugs with the touchscreen software. Nothing major.
>
>
> Internet browsing works well. Most of the sites I use work well.
> Touch screen browsing is great.



> Micro SD 8mb support. Never did care for mini SD because it always
> seemed like when I pushed the cards in my fingernail split the card n
> the seam.


When you add the cost of an 8GB card to the this phone it really
becomes far more costly to own compared to phones that already have 8
GB of memory built in. But if you need many months to come up with the
cash I reckon this is a viable option for spreading the pain out.

> Removable battery and the ability to buy a high capacity battery. I
> would NEVER buy a phone without a removable battery.


Boy that is true! Verizon's 3G network eats batteries like candy. All
these new VZ phones should come with a decent battery for real life
use instead of the limited use one included. Also do to the constant
recharging they expire long before the two year contract does so you
will need to budget for replacements.


> Vcast Mobile TV has a great picture and a nice on screen guide
> display. Works very well. However, I am not sure it is worth $15 a
> month for 8 channels. We'll see....


I dropped VCast mobile because you can get the same stuff for free and
a whole lot more through iTunes. It seemed pointless to pay for it
from Verison. I look at the VCast package now as the true cost of
limited intenet connectivity on Verizon. You need to pay even more to
get to the real Internet beyond VZ servers which translate it into
Mobile WEB 2 for these tiny screens.
>
> Easy to get MP3s on the phone using the included software and cable.
>
> Camera works well, even without having a flash.
>
> Stereo Bluetooth works well. I have a Jabra BT8010 hooked up.
>
> VZ Navigator capable- I have been using this product for over a year
> now. I am spoiled and would never consider going to a stand alone GPS
> system. Works well and is always with me. I am surprised how often I
> use it.


This puzzles me. Why would anyone opt for a GPS that you have to pay a
monthly fee to use? I klnow this is part of Verizon's business model
for soaking the customer, but why can't it be free like on the iPhone?

I use a several GPS systems in my work and I would never trade a
bright clear 4.3 inch screen for something smaller. I might go bigger
but not smaller. Also since these have over a million POI and can be
customised to alert you to speed traps and red light cameras these is
much greater value. My on dash MIO C520 GPS aslo plays music and shows
movies when it is not working. It is almost as much fun as the new
iTouch iPod!

One of my fellow employees uses the iPhone to locate and naviagate to
customers using the free Google map application and there is no extra
cost to him with AT&T.

>


>
> Is the Voyager for everyone? Probably not. It is an advanced phone.
> If all you want to do is play music using iTunes then something like
> the iPhone or a similar phone with a removable battery (and stereo
> Bluetooth) may be a better bet.


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Old 11-24-2007, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: LG Voyager - wow - what a phone

Cobra <rhsteele@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:f814cd7d-a257-42e3-8152-
5f2db610446b@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

> To my surprise, I was
> able to set up MP3, photo and video streaming from my home computer.
>


Doesn't matter. He'll be dumped within a month after the big kahuna
notices he's gone over his 5GB limit....and the Voyager will just be dead
after that.

Read your agreement, bud! WEBPAGE and EMAIL ONLY!


Larry
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Old 11-24-2007, 03:45 PM
Larry
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:8287ea8f-8f1b-410b-aefe-
68b181cf3af6@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> There seems to be little interest in third
> party hackers / programmers on improving the product compared to the
> global interest in the GPhone and the iPhone.
>


What improvements could be made to a product on a system that only allows
webpages and email? I assume it has an email client and a web browser,
right?

VZW would be stupid to let any other program run on the box or provide
codecs for anything that can stream, like Realmedia, etc. THEY control
this box....so THEY determine what it can do....just like iPhoney.


Larry
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: LG Voyager - wow - what a phone

Same BS from Larry.....

Hey Larry, read the news!!


"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99F2773D6A804noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>
> Doesn't matter. He'll be dumped within a month after the big kahuna
> notices he's gone over his 5GB limit....and the Voyager will just be dead
> after that.
>
> Read your agreement, bud! WEBPAGE and EMAIL ONLY!
>
>
> Larry
> --
> Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;



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Old 11-25-2007, 01:56 AM
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Default Re: LG Voyager - wow - what a phone

On Nov 24, 11:42 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> Cobra <rhste...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:f814cd7d-a257-42e3-8152-
> 5f2db6104...@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > To my surprise, I was
> > able to set up MP3, photo and video streaming from my home computer.

>
> Doesn't matter. He'll be dumped within a month after the big kahuna
> notices he's gone over his 5GB limit....and theVoyagerwill just be dead
> after that.
>
> Read your agreement, bud! WEBPAGE and EMAIL ONLY!
>
> Larry
> --
> Xterm IS the ultimate video game...(c;


Larry,

As far as file limits...I think you are mistaken. They have a new
policy as of 11/1/2007.

First off there is no limit specified for mobile web, only for those
broadband access cards. Also the wording has now changed. Per
Verizon's web site:

"If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve
the right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would
otherwise exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps.
These speeds are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in
order to address network issues."

Also, I dont think I could do 5 gigs a month on that phone even at
high useage!

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Old 11-25-2007, 02:34 AM
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Appreciate your comments. I agree with some and disagree with others
See below.

>
> One way to calculate the cost of a cell phone is to add up the cost of
> the phone and the cost to own it for two years.
> If one opts for the premimum plan theVoyageris far more expensive
> than a phone like the iPhone even though it appears to be cheaper to
> obtain. One thing compared to a quality phone it sure appears to be
> light weight plastic. It is sort of like buying Wal Mart imitation hub
> caps verses getting decent metal hub caps. The Wal Mart product looks
> glitzy in the store but...
>

Cost was not an issue. I would have paid double or triple for this
phone. For me the premium plan is a good deal, partially because of
the amount of text messaging, mobile web and VZ Navigator I use. With
unlimited web (not per minute billing) I actually was able to drop to
the 450 plan because I don't use minutes much during the weekday. I
do use the web during the day though.

Another comment I have is when I switched to Verizon my bill literally
doubled. I had a very powerful very inexpensive plan from Sprint
(special plan because of all the problems I had). Verizon was worth
every penny extra. I now have very solid reliable service. I feel I
am getting a bargain with the level of service I currently have than I
did with Sprint. When I call someone I call Kentucky, not India.

I had Cingular in the past and liked them. Unfortunately their GPS
coverage is a little too spotty for me and doesn't work well in
several cities I visit frequently.

I am willing to pay more for better service!

>
> I noticed that it locked up in the Verizon store and assumed it was a
> faulty demo phone.
> Could it have probably been rushed to market without getting all the
> bugs out of it?
>


They probably did have to rush a bit, however with something as
advanced as the Voyager I expect some bugs. So far nothing as bad as
the iPhone and the heating up with the battery (my friend had this
problem and had it fixed)

> I noticed there were exactly twelve programs you could get so support
> or this phone is lacking. There seems to be little interest in third
> party hackers / programmers on improving the product compared to the
> global interest in the GPhone and the iPhone.
>


not sure what you are talking about here.

> Boy that is true! Verizon's 3G network eats batteries like candy. All
> these new VZ phones should come with a decent battery for real life
> use instead of the limited use one included. Also do to the constant
> recharging they expire long before the two year contract does so you
> will need to budget for replacements.


I think they should ship with an extended battery knowing that most
people who buy this phone will be advanced users. Luckily the OEM
extended battery is cheap and user replaceable!!!


An 8mb micro sd card will be $50 bucks in a couple months.....Big
deal. In the meantime I just bought a 2 gb card for a few bucks to
hold me over. My last phone had a 2 gig card in it and I never filled
it up.


> I dropped VCast mobile because you can get the same stuff for free and
> a whole lot more through iTunes. It seemed pointless to pay for it
> from Verison. I look at the VCast package now as the true cost of
> limited intenet connectivity on Verizon. You need to pay even more to
> get to the real Internet beyond VZ servers which translate it into
> Mobile WEB 2 for these tiny screens.
>


I dont use mobile web, I use the regular web on the Voyager. Because
of it I am going to have to get a tablet pc because I like the touch
screen browsing. Cant believe how well the phone does the web.

>
> This puzzles me. Why would anyone opt for a GPS that you have to pay a
> monthly fee to use? I klnow this is part of Verizon's business model
> for soaking the customer, but why can't it be free like on the iPhone?
>
> I use a several GPS systems in my work and I would never trade a
> bright clear 4.3 inch screen for something smaller. I might go bigger
> but not smaller. Also since these have over a million POI and can be
> customised to alert you to speed traps and red light cameras these is
> much greater value. My on dash MIO C520 GPS aslo plays music and shows
> movies when it is not working. It is almost as much fun as the new
> iTouch iPod!
>
> One of my fellow employees uses the iPhone to locate and naviagate to
> customers using the free Google map application and there is no extra
> cost to him with AT&T.
>
>


For people who travel frequently and are constantly using trains/
planes/subways/rental cars and just literally walking to get around a
regular GPS is extremely inconvenient at best. With a cell phone or
PDA based gps it is always there with you. I have even had to use it
in a cab.
The most Navigator would cost is $120 a year. How much does a normal
GPS cost when you factor in purchase price? How long do they last?
How much are upgrades? Also, a friend of mine had his car broken into
hand his gps stolen (was in the glove box with the bracket, theif
probably saw the ring on the windshield and figured it was in there as
they are inconvenient to lug around).

I really thing the car mounted GPS will go the way of the "car phone"
for the same reasons!

Something new I was able to do, a friend sent me an mp3 mail
attachment and my phone opened it up and played it.


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Old 11-25-2007, 02:50 AM
Larry
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Cobra <rhsteele@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:8c6518c6-02b4-4b61-b8a8-
d33a751bb987@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> Also, I dont think I could do 5 gigs a month on that phone even at
> high useage!
>
>


Hmm...Streaming at, say, 64Kbps divided by 8 = around 8.2KB/sec or 8.2 x
3600 = 29.52 MB/hour. 5000 divided by round 30MB/hour = 166 hours = 5GB at
that speed, doing nothing else but streaming. 166 hours divided by 31 days
in a month = 5.5 hours/day to bump that limit. Of course, you have to
estimate any other uses and subtract that from the 5000 to find hours.
It's very doable if you're a heavy user of anything else, especially
anything else that streams.

Thanks for the information about VZW upgrading to let users have more than
5GB/month, but at slower rates. It will be interesting, given their
history of cutoffs and deceit, to watch what happens in the next few months
to see how truthful that is....(c; If you're streaming, you won't be
downloading anything else with 200Kbps service on the new faster, better
streams, or watching YouTube, which may not run at 200Kbps at all until the
clip is downloaded.

Good luck!

Larry
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Old 11-25-2007, 03:03 AM
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At 24 Nov 2007 00:23:46 -0800 4phun wrote:

> I noticed there were exactly twelve programs you could get so support
> or this phone is lacking.


As opposed to the zero for iPhone (not counting "web apps" of course...)


> I dropped VCast mobile because you can get the same stuff for free and
> a whole lot more through iTunes.


Except you can use VCast while mobile- you can only use iTunes on the
iPhone when hooked to WiFi.


> This puzzles me. Why would anyone opt for a GPS that you have to pay a
> monthly fee to use?


Because you don't have to buy a GPS?

Personally I use a bluetooth GPS in conjunction with my cellphone and
Windows Live Search. (Like Google Maps, but with more features.)

> I klnow this is part of Verizon's business model
> for soaking the customer, but why can't it be free like on the iPhone?



You DO know that the iPhone not only DOESN'T have a GPS, but it can't
even use an external bluetooth GPS, right?

The crippled version of Google Maps on the iPhone is NOT GPS enabled.

So, essentially, you're complaining that Verizon charges extra for a
service unavailable on the iPhone, and that you can't possibly add to it?


> I use a several GPS systems in my work and I would never trade a
> bright clear 4.3 inch screen for something smaller.


You DON'T use a GPS on your iPhone, though.

> I might go bigger
> but not smaller. Also since these have over a million POI and can be
> customised to alert you to speed traps and red light cameras these is
> much greater value.


Phone apps have similar databases, and unlike dashboard models, are
continuously updated.

WLS on my Windows Mobile phone displays local movie showtimes nearest my
location, and sorts the nearest 25 gas stations by lowest price-
something a dashboard standalone can't do with a static POI database. (It,
like Google Maps, is also free, as long as you have a data connection and
a GPS-enabled device.


> My on dash MIO C520 GPS aslo plays music and shows
> movies when it is not working. It is almost as much fun as the new
> iTouch iPod!



So someone is stupid to pay $10/month to buy navigation service from
their cellphone company, but $200 for a dashboard model with no monthly
fee is ok? How much does it cost to update the maps and POIs on the Mio
every year or two (if updates are even available?)

Seems to me it's almost a wash between "owning" and "renting" GPS software,
if you're interested in having the latest data. My last Pocket PC
navigation map I bought, Mapopolis, charged $99/year. (Still my all time
favorite nav app, but they stopped supporting PPCs and Palms when they
bought by a standalone GPS device manufacturer.)

> One of my fellow employees uses the iPhone to locate and naviagate to
> customers using the free Google map application and there is no extra
> cost to him with AT&T.



And no GPS capability. It generates static directions and maps. Not
exactly the same thing as "navigation." You can do the same thing with a
Mapquest page printout.




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Old 11-26-2007, 12:13 AM
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Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:1172j.16$6U6.13
@fe089.usenetserver.com:

> Except you can use VCast while mobile- you can only use iTunes on the
> iPhone when hooked to WiFi.
>
>


I use Realmedia, Orb server at my house delivering audio and video in
Realmedia, BBC's Realplayer radio streamer, Shoutcast broadcasts and other
streamers across the Net while driving around over the EVDO Bluetooth DUN
connection between my Nokia N800 Linux tablet plugged into the car stereo
and the MotoROKR Z6M sellphone on Alltel.

I had a car full of kids headed for the mall, yesterday, watching cartoons
from my Orb server on my home mainframe on the tablet in the moving car.
It kept them from destroying the interior of my old Benz while in motion!
It never blinked once on Alltel EVDO in 12 miles..either way.

Who needs to pay-to-play? How silly.

Larry
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:49 PM
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Larry wrote:
> Cobra <rhsteele@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:f814cd7d-a257-42e3-8152-
> 5f2db610446b@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> To my surprise, I was
>> able to set up MP3, photo and video streaming from my home computer.
>>

>
> Doesn't matter. He'll be dumped within a month after the big kahuna
> notices he's gone over his 5GB limit....and the Voyager will just be dead
> after that.
>
> Read your agreement, bud! WEBPAGE and EMAIL ONLY!
>
>
> Larry


Webpage and Email only eh?

Then how come Verizon is FIXING THE ISSUE WITH THE VOYAGER STREAMING
YOUTUBE VIDEO?
On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.

Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
is against the TOS?

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:28 PM
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
> the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
> them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.
>


Why would it only run for 29 seconds in the first place? Why did Verizon
CS have to make it work?

From the panel under "voice and data plans" on TODAY's webpage:

"DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by
your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not uses
intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited. Examples
of prohibited uses include the following:

(i) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not
limited to, continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data
feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P)
file-sharing;

[Question - define automated machine-to-machine connections and automatic
data feeds. FTP is an automated machine-to-machine connection. So isn't
streaming! So isn't any VoIP connection. So isn't IRC, downloading from
usenet.....or just about any other connection. Automated, of course,
means you don't have to make the connection yourself, right? You have a
CLIENT do that connection for you...automating it. Are we just screwing
around with new wording to satisfy the Attorney General from NY State?]

(ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data
connections;

[Someone wanted to use his VZW data plan to provide internet service to
his house. This forbidden restriction has not changed. There it is.]

(iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual
routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which
disrupt net user groups or email use by others;

[What the hell is an "auto-responder"? Any program that responds when
called? Any VoIP, Orb, remote desktop applications, remote networking to
your computer from your laptop? Those are all "auto-responders". Noone
has to push a button if you're running some kind of remote desktop to get
your email from the office....auto-responding to your call.]

(iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that
have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or
unsolicited bulk email);

[Hey! Somebody screwed up! This one is in English!]

(v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or
systems to use either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties'
Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks
against another network host or individual user;

[OK...great. No obfuscation here at all.]

(vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts
of others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of
Verizon Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or

[No trying to hack into your cellphone, either!]

(vii) software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet
connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any
"keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' data
retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means,
by way of example only, that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P
file-sharing services, web broadcasting, or for the operation of servers,
telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices
is prohibited.

Of course, we don't say WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE...which may change
from today to tomorrow.

If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve the
right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would otherwise
exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps. These speeds
are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in order to address
network issues. In order to assess your usage, you may obtain information
about your usage during a particular billing period, including during the
Return Period under your Worry Free Guarantee, through My Account or by
contacting Customer Service. These Data Plans or Features are for
individual use only and not for resale. We further reserve the right to
take measures to protect our network from harm, compromised capacity or
degradation in performance, any of which may impact permitted data flows.
Accordingly, we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service,
without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in
any manner that adversely impacts our network or service levels, and we
also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of the
Customer Agreement term.

We may, but are not required to, monitor your compliance, or the
compliance of other subscribers, with the terms, conditions, or policies
of the Customer Agreement."
END OF QUOTED TEXT-------------------------------------

Vague...very vague. They did soften it a lot, though! They made it even
more vague, except for the 5GB limit.

Now, back on the webpage ABOVE the legalese wording window it says, same
as always:

----------------------------------------------------------------
Monthly Anytime Minutes Monthly Access Per-Minute Rate
After Allowance Plan Includes
for Internet access & email
Minutes $59.99 Other data services (Quick 2 Netsm dial-up connections)
at $0.25 per minute.

* Data access for Internet browsing, email, or Intranet access
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
------------------------------------------------------------------
Isn't this what it has always said after "unlimited" in bigger letters?

IT SAYS IT'S FOR INTERNET BROWSING, EMAIL OR INTRANET ACCESS.....and
nothing else? It doesn't say it's for streaming, it says it's for email
and web browsing, infering it's for nothing else. My quoted text isn't
formatted like the webpage html. But that's exactly what it says....


Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:29 PM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
> is against the TOS?
>


Streaming isn't against the TOS. Verizon SELLS streaming...or will
shortly.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:34 PM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
>> the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
>> them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.
>>

>
> Why would it only run for 29 seconds in the first place? Why did Verizon
> CS have to make it work?
>


It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)

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Old 11-26-2007, 10:35 PM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
>> is against the TOS?
>>

>
> Streaming isn't against the TOS. Verizon SELLS streaming...or will
> shortly.
>
> Larry


Sells streaming? Please explain.

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Old 11-27-2007, 04:02 AM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl63$gn6$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
> old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)
>
>


"Error"? Does that come "fishwrapped"?

Interesting.

Larry
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you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-27-2007, 04:07 AM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl6i$gn6$2
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Sells streaming? Please explain.
>


Vcast streams video clips, right? News/weather/sports/Verizon spam?

Streamed data...all of it. The difference is M-O-N-E-Y. Streaming Orb
from your home computer makes no money for the money mongers. Vcast is.

Duhh....(c;


Larry
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you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-27-2007, 07:46 PM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl63$gn6$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
>> old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)
>>
>>

>
> "Error"? Does that come "fishwrapped"?
>
> Interesting.
>
> Larry

Actually, turns out it was an Error that LG is to blame with the
multimedia player.

From what I heard, Verizon plans to send an over-the-air update to all
Voyagers in the next few days to fix this problem

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Old 11-27-2007, 07:47 PM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl6i$gn6$2
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Sells streaming? Please explain.
>>

>
> Vcast streams video clips, right? News/weather/sports/Verizon spam?
>
> Streamed data...all of it. The difference is M-O-N-E-Y. Streaming Orb
> from your home computer makes no money for the money mongers. Vcast is.
>
> Duhh....(c;
>
>
> Larry

Uh, VCast is included in the $15/month for unlimited data.

You can use Vcast, but Id rather use Orb, works fine on my enV

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Old 11-28-2007, 01:02 AM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fihvmo$l98$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Actually, turns out it was an Error that LG is to blame with

the
> multimedia player.
>


There's lots of errors in media players in phones. The most
frustrating thing in my stupid MotoROKR Z6M is the MP3 player is
so stupid it can't be told to just look at the external memory
card ONLY, so in random play it plays MP3 ringtones from the
INTERNAL memory.

You'd think the stupid asses were dealing with new technology,
not an MP3 player.

Brew....sucks! You may quote me.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-28-2007, 01:07 AM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fihvoa$l98$2
@registered.motzarella.org:

> You can use Vcast, but Id rather use Orb, works fine on my enV
>
>


I have 3 Orb-compatible TV cards in 3 home computers around here
I configured. The TV cards are hooked up to the cable TV systems
at their houses. The wife and kids keep them running 24/7
because DADDY, all 3 Air Force sergeants, are in IRAQ and
AFGHANISTAN living in tents but have access to broadband and
laptops.

Orb is providing them with their home cable TV.....on the other
side of the planet! Daddy doesn't have to be told what's going
on back home because he can watch it on the evening news....er,
ah, in the morning over there....(c;

People SAY they support the troops. I'm doing something FOR the
troops, myself. Orb works great! Have you played all the radio
stations Orb can play around the planet?! Click on AUDIO and
RADIO STATIONS. Really cool....even on my Nokia N800 internet
tablet.



Larry
--
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you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

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Old 11-28-2007, 03:31 AM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fihvmo$l98$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Actually, turns out it was an Error that LG is to blame with

> the
>> multimedia player.
>>

>
> There's lots of errors in media players in phones. The most
> frustrating thing in my stupid MotoROKR Z6M is the MP3 player is
> so stupid it can't be told to just look at the external memory
> card ONLY, so in random play it plays MP3 ringtones from the
> INTERNAL memory.
>
> You'd think the stupid asses were dealing with new technology,
> not an MP3 player.
>
> Brew....sucks! You may quote me.
>
> Larry

I never knew that a MP3 player could play video...

Oh wait, its more than a MP3 Player!

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Old 11-28-2007, 03:32 AM
Jon
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Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fihvoa$l98$2
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> You can use Vcast, but Id rather use Orb, works fine on my enV
>>
>>

>
> I have 3 Orb-compatible TV cards in 3 home computers around here
> I configured. The TV cards are hooked up to the cable TV systems
> at their houses. The wife and kids keep them running 24/7
> because DADDY, all 3 Air Force sergeants, are in IRAQ and
> AFGHANISTAN living in tents but have access to broadband and
> laptops.
>
> Orb is providing them with their home cable TV.....on the other
> side of the planet! Daddy doesn't have to be told what's going
> on back home because he can watch it on the evening news....er,
> ah, in the morning over there....(c;
>
> People SAY they support the troops. I'm doing something FOR the
> troops, myself. Orb works great! Have you played all the radio
> stations Orb can play around the planet?! Click on AUDIO and
> RADIO STATIONS. Really cool....even on my Nokia N800 internet
> tablet.
>
>
>
> Larry

I have been using Orb for over a year, what is the point of your post?

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Old 11-28-2007, 01:22 PM
Larry
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Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fiiqvq$tfc$2
@registered.motzarella.org:

> I have been using Orb for over a year, what is the point of your

post?
>
>


I was trying to agree with you that ORB ROCKS!

Larry
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:15 PM
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On Nov 24, 1:50 am, Cobra <rhste...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Just a real quick and dirty review on the Voyager. More to come



>
> What will LG come up with next year?


A better battery for their phone?

November 28, 2007 |
Exploding LG cell phone battery kills Korean man

This tragedy cannot bode well for LG as it is just debuting what it
hopes to be an iPhone killer in the Voyager. Considering the effects
the exploding battery had on the man's body, there are probably more
than a few people who would be hesitant to put a cell phone that could
explode in their pants' pockets.

Of course I suspect that story is a hoax, no LG cell phone battery
could explode and kill a man, could it?

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Old 11-29-2007, 11:20 PM
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:15:51 -0800 (PST), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 24, 1:50 am, Cobra <rhste...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Just a real quick and dirty review on the Voyager. More to come

>
>
>>
>> What will LG come up with next year?

>
>A better battery for their phone?
>
> November 28, 2007 |
>Exploding LG cell phone battery kills Korean man
>
>This tragedy cannot bode well for LG as it is just debuting what it
>hopes to be an iPhone killer in the Voyager. Considering the effects
>the exploding battery had on the man's body, there are probably more
>than a few people who would be hesitant to put a cell phone that could
>explode in their pants' pockets.
>
>Of course I suspect that story is a hoax, no LG cell phone battery
>could explode and kill a man, could it?


Maybe the man's name was "iPhone".


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Old 12-16-2007, 04:09 PM
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GIFT for 15 yr old daughter:

- needs new cell phone (Verizon Network)
- needs new mp3 player to replace broken I - Pod

Question: Should I buy:

1. A LG Voyager

---------- OR ---------

2. An 80gb Gen II Zune and a basic phone?

I already have verizon and sales guy says package will be same as I am
paying now.

Comments appreciated!


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Old 12-17-2007, 12:07 AM
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Just an update after nearly a month of use...

I bought the extended battery for about $38 and get amazing battery
life. Easy to go 8-10 hours of continuous use of internet/mp3/
Navigator calls etc and still have plenty of battery left.

Also enjoying the TV on the phone. Using it a lot more than I thought
I would. I still think $15 a month is steep except a Verizon rep told
me they will be upgrading the network with even better picture and
more channels firtst quarter 2008.

I haven't had a crash since my original post.

The gps software provides for touch screen interaction. Sweet!

People who have checked out my phone seem to think Apple has some
major catching up to do. What I would like to know is how are Voyager
sales going?

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Old 12-18-2007, 01:28 AM
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At the risk of being drawn and quartered here on this n.g., allow me to
throw my 2 cents in.

Let me begin by pointing out that not all .mp3-playing phones will play
iTunes' .mp4 propietary format, so if your daughter got her tunes that way,
she may have a problem transferring them to some tune-playing phones. I
don't know if the Voyager deals with this.

Anyway, as a suggestion, I would suggest a basic phone (for the Verizon
service you want) and an Apple iTouch (their new, sophisticated iPod which
behaves like an iPhone but doesn't make phone calls). She'd get all the
great musical and photo related wizardry of the iPhone, plus Wi-Fi internet
access, and still retain the better coverage of the Vz cell service.

Just a thought.

<conanw@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:4d056113-eb32-4a5b-af27-cca3eaaab6d7@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> GIFT for 15 yr old daughter:
>
> - needs new cell phone (Verizon Network)
> - needs new mp3 player to replace broken I - Pod
>
> Question: Should I buy:
>
> 1. A LG Voyager
>
> ---------- OR ---------
>
> 2. An 80gb Gen II Zune and a basic phone?
>
> I already have verizon and sales guy says package will be same as I am
> paying now.
>
> Comments appreciated!
>





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Old 12-19-2007, 12:43 AM
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On Dec 17, 7:28 pm, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> At the risk of being drawn and quartered here on this n.g., allow me to
> throw my 2 cents in.
>
> Let me begin by pointing out that not all .mp3-playing phones will play
> iTunes' .mp4 propietary format, so if your daughter got her tunes that way,
> she may have a problem transferring them to some tune-playing phones. I
> don't know if theVoyagerdeals with this.
>
> Anyway, as a suggestion, I would suggest a basic phone (for the Verizon
> service you want) and an Apple iTouch (their new, sophisticated iPod which
> behaves like an iPhone but doesn't make phone calls). She'd get all the
> great musical and photo related wizardry of the iPhone, plus Wi-Fi internet
> access, and still retain the better coverage of the Vz cell service.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> <con...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
> news:4d056113-eb32-4a5b-af27-cca3eaaab6d7@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > GIFT for 15 yr old daughter:

>
> > - needs new cell phone (Verizon Network)
> > - needs new mp3 player to replace broken I - Pod

>
> > Question: Should I buy:

>
> > 1. A LGVoyager

>
> > ---------- OR ---------

>
> > 2. An 80gb Gen II Zune and a basic phone?

>
> > I already have verizon and sales guy says package will be same as I am
> > paying now.

>
> > Comments appreciated!- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -


Assuming the videos are not DRM'd they can easily be converted to play
on voyager. On the other hand...

Why are we rewarding companies who require you to pay for DRM'd crap.
Fight the urge...

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