Google negotiators this weekend continue to hammer out agreements
with wireless carriers, handset makers, software developers, and
hardware providers, as the company prepares to announce on Monday an
ambitious platform for creating mobile applications.
Although Google has declined to comment for months on its rumored
move into the mobile space, sources said the company will make an
announcement Monday at 11 a.m. Eastern Time, and that details of the
plan are being finalized this weekend.
AppDev Tools, Partners Poised
Google will announce an open source development platform for mobile
applications that will contain a full set of components, including an
operating system, a set of common APIs, a middleware layer, a
customizable user interface, and even a mobile browser, sources said.
Instant messaging standard protocols will also be supported.
The platform is intended to simplify the process of creating and
deploying mobile applications, so that an application can be built
once and be compatible with multiple phones.
On the partner side, well over 30 industry heavyweights are already
on board, including Intel, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Nvidia, Sprint Nextel,
T-Mobile, China Mobile, Telefonica, NTT DoCoMo, LG Electronics, and
HTC, the sources said.
With negotiations expected to continue through the weekend and into
Monday morning, it's possible that the list could exceed 40 partners.
Among those not supporting the announcement at press time are Nokia,
Verizon and Apple.
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John Navas wrote:
>
> The platform is intended to simplify the process of creating and
> deploying mobile applications, so that an application can be built
> once and be compatible with multiple phones.
>
In article <89ednYLCpf1-arDanZ2dnUVZ_tuonZ2d@giganews.com>,
"Frankster" <Frank@SPAM2TRASH.com> wrote:
> > Among those not supporting the announcement at press time are Nokia,
> > Verizon and Apple.
>
> Color me surprised!
>
> Uh... Open Source? Verizon? Apple? Sure. Right! No way jose! Not ever!
This sounds a little like the Openmoko project, although presumably it
isn't using Linux. Does anyone here know how that's coming along?
Re: NEWS: Google to Announce Mobile Platform on Monday
John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in
news:mirri3hcs1r8oqcpi8bbhina2m26pqlnbc@4ax.com:
> Google negotiators this weekend continue to hammer out
agreements
> with wireless carriers, handset makers, software developers,
and
> hardware providers, as the company prepares to announce on
Monday an
> ambitious platform for creating mobile applications.
>
> > Among those not supporting the announcement at press time are Nokia,
> > Verizon and Apple.
>
> Color me surprised!
>
> Uh... Open Source? Verizon? Apple? Sure. Right! No way jose! Not ever!
Earth to "Frankster". most everything apple does is opensource. they
haven't been closedsourced for over a decade.
"John Navas" <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote in message news:mirri3hcs1r8oqcpi8bbhina2m26pqlnbc@4ax.com...
> Google will announce an open source development platform for mobile
> applications that will contain a full set of components, including an
> operating system, a set of common APIs, a middleware layer, a
> customizable user interface, and even a mobile browser, sources said.
> Instant messaging standard protocols will also be supported.
I can't help but ponder the privacy implications. What kind of agreements
are being made between Google and the carriers? Will Google be gaining
access to your name, cell #, billing address? Will Google be gaining
access to your call history? Acquiring GPS data? Will people be backing
up their contact list to Google? Will it be mining text messages? Heck,
voice recognition is a key feature of phones, so might as well ask whether
it will be mining the voice conversations themselves.
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, none wrote:
> Earth to "Frankster". most everything apple does is opensource. they
> haven't been closedsourced for over a decade.
The only thing that Apple has that is open source is a stripped down
operating system called Darwin, including the XNU kernel. With Apple's
open source, you can boot a system and get to a UNIX shell. So if you
want a time machine back to the world of 1980, Apple's open source will
get you that. But all the GUI stuff and all of the Apple applications are
very much closed source.
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Google has unveiled software it hopes will power a variety of future
mobile phones and boost the web on the move.
The software could lead to cheaper phones as it is designed to speed
up the process of making mobile services.
The firm is working with four mobile manufacturers - Samsung, HTC,
Motorola and LG - but a Google branded phone was not announced.
The first phones using the so-called Google "software stack" will be
available in the second half of 2008.
...
Google has formed the Open Handset Alliance, made up of 34 companies,
including chip manufacturers and handset makers.
The move will be seen as a major competitor to Microsoft, Research in
Motion, Palm and Symbian, who make the leading software systems for
mobiles.
Google's Android software will be provided to handset makers free of
charge and could lead to a price war for operating system licenses
and potentially cheaper handsets.
In the United States mobile networks such as Sprint Nextel and
T-Mobile will carry the Google-powered phones.
...
"This is a shot that is going to be heard around the world, but it's
just the first shot in what is going to be a very protracted battle
in the next frontier of the mobile web," said analyst Michael
Gartenberg, at Jupiter Research.
...
Adam Leach, principal analyst with Ovum, said: "It's an important
announcement. That number of companies already committing to the
service is very impressive."
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so guess this ends the story on Google ever coming out with a Phone.
I'm kinda sad, thought Google could pull it off, but it will remain a
nobody if the only contribution they can make is software. Nobody will
buy it that way.
Google serious screwed up, expect a big drop in the stock price on this
news.
The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
"none" <a@bc.com> wrote in message
news:a-A1C460.21092004112007@mpls-nnrp-05.inet.qwest.net...
>
> Earth to "Frankster". most everything apple does is opensource. they
> haven't been closedsourced for over a decade.
>
> http://developer.apple.com/opensource/index.html
>
> please try and keep up.
>
> -
This announcement will be a good reason why Oxford's fanatical fanboy
bullshit
won't happen (iPhone taking over the entire world)
Google will partner with all other manufacturer's and eventually CRUSH the
iPhone.
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2007, none wrote:
> > Earth to "Frankster". most everything apple does is opensource. they
> > haven't been closedsourced for over a decade.
>
> The only thing that Apple has that is open source is a stripped down
> operating system called Darwin, including the XNU kernel. With Apple's
> open source, you can boot a system and get to a UNIX shell. So if you
> want a time machine back to the world of 1980, Apple's open source will
> get you that. But all the GUI stuff and all of the Apple applications are
> very much closed source.
yes, but it's still 100% more OPEN than Microsoft's OS's allows you to
do, thus OSX is the most OPEN OS in wide use by far.
Linux .74%
OSX 6.64%
Do the math Mark.
Apple allows programmers complete freedom, MS does not.
> This announcement will be a good reason why Oxford's fanatical fanboy
> bullshit won't happen (iPhone taking over the entire world)
and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
so i'll proclaim that since the iPod got 72% within 6 years, the iPhone
should easily get 30-40% of the cell market within 8 years. If i'm a bit
low on that estimate, i'm sorry.
> Google will partner with all other manufacturer's and eventually CRUSH the
> iPhone.
Ah, but Google just announced they aren't going to produce a PHONE, they
are only going to do the software, so by default they have given up on
the cell market. Nobody is going to put Google Software on a phone.
That's just ridiculous.
Google (Eric) realized they couldn't compete against the iPhone in
software or hardware, so they admitted defeat today.
Eric sits on Apple's Board, and was shown the way by Steve.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:46:11 -0700, Oxford wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
Let's make a bet.
If iPhone has at least 30% of the world mobile phone market by 2015, then
I will buy you two new iPhones of whatever the current model is.
If iPhone has less than 30% of the world mobile phone market, then you
turn over your iPhone to me, I smash it with a hammer, and then you will
eat it. And if you try to weasel out by not owning an iPhone at the time,
then I will donate a Newton MP100 that to be smashed with a hammer and for
you subsequently to eat.
You will need to supply me with your correct name, address, and phone
number; and keep me informed of all subsequent changes of address and
phone number to ensure fufillment of the wager.
Oh, and I'll be nice and supply some soy sauce to go with your meal.
-- Mark --
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Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Mark Thompson wrote:
> yes, but it's still 100% more OPEN than Microsoft's OS's allows you to
> do, thus OSX is the most OPEN OS in wide use by far.
Nonsense. Linux is far more open than OS X, and runs are far more
machines.
When is Apple going to allow OS X to run on machines not made by Apple?
Sheesh. Apple fanboys are stupid.
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Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:09:46 -0700, Mark Thompson <markt@earthlink.net>
wrote in <markt-B48EDB.13094605112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>:
>John Navas <spamfilter1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>so guess this ends the story on Google ever coming out with a Phone.
Not so. Take the time to actually read the story.
>I'm kinda sad, thought Google could pull it off, but it will remain a
>nobody if the only contribution they can make is software. Nobody will
>buy it that way.
>
>Google serious screwed up, expect a big drop in the stock price on this
>news.
That's a joke, right? LOL
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> the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
>
>
They do? Would everyone who thinks this hobbled up PoS is gonna
be 40% of the cellphone market in 8 years raise their hands?
(crickets chirping, occasional hoot owl way off in the
distance...)
I see.
Larry
--
I'll make you one.....
8 years from now we'll all be looking back with amusement at how
we plodded along at 100, 300, 700 kbps on a shitty SELLphone link
from our multimegabit WiMax 4.0 internet tablets sitting in a
nice mall or park talking over the tablet's color VoiP (video-
over-internet-protocol)....not clicking away at our touchscreens
hoping to touch the right tiny pad so it'll type right.
In article <xOudnWmZHfwMBbPanZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Sudohnim" <Sudohnim@example.invalid> wrote:
> I can't help but ponder the privacy implications. What kind of agreements
> are being made between Google and the carriers? Will Google be gaining
> access to your name, cell #, billing address? Will Google be gaining
> access to your call history? Acquiring GPS data? Will people be backing
> up their contact list to Google? Will it be mining text messages? Heck,
> voice recognition is a key feature of phones, so might as well ask whether
> it will be mining the voice conversations themselves.
isn't the government already illegally doing that? and isn't that one
reason bush wants to grant the telecoms immunity ... so they can't
implicate him and his administration in some of their crimes?
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been warned."
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in news:2rCdnZNy7LA5OojdRVn_iw@comcast.com
> Google serious screwed up, expect a big drop in the stock price
on this
> news.
>
>
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GOOG&t=5y
Closed up 14.40 (2.02%) on the news at $725.65.
Notice how the chart makes a really steep climb near the end in
the panic selling on this news.....er, ah....since about
September as it shot up $200/share on buyer panic selling in
anticipation of this news.
Larry
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Sure wish I'd bought some shares when it was $120....nuts!
Today was a down day on Wall Street, but panic selling boosted
Google over 2%, anyways.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
In article
<colalovesmacs-E4E24B.13461105112007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
Oxford <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote:
> and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
In many predictions, you have stated that iPhone was the future of the
entire industry, the only influential phone of recent times, the way of
all networking, etc. You read them when you post, don't you?
> nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
No, sir. I've seen no one make any such prediction. Can you point to
even _one_ such prediction?
Can you also show that everyone in the industry agrees with this
nonsense?
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
In article <LLqdnaccHc264bLanZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d@giganews.com>, Ness Net
<richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> Google will partner with all other manufacturer's and eventually CRUSH the
> iPhone.
This is stupid. It doesn't even make any sense, and what I can make out
of it is so silly it's obviously dumb.
All manufacturers will get together on almost nothing.
Few manufacturers want or need to get together against Apple -- a
company that plays well with most companies in most ways.
It is nonsense to suggest even a small group will get together
"eventually" to crush a product that exists and is marketed today. When
such a time arrives, the device is almost certainly to have developed
and changed in many ways. No one plans to get together a coalition to
fight a war that will be (distant) tech history.
Since the iPhone isn't "crushing" anything now, I doubt anyone is
planning to "crush" it. It isn't an evil blight on the market.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> > and where did i ever proclaim the iphone would take over the world?
> > nope, never happened. sure, the iphone will get around 30-40% of the
> > cell market within 8 years, everyone agrees with that.
>
> Let's make a bet.
>
> If iPhone has at least 30% of the world mobile phone market by 2015, then
> I will buy you two new iPhones of whatever the current model is.
sure, seems like a fair enough bet. i'll want just 2 of the middle level
models, probably the $149, terabyte version (approx)
> If iPhone has less than 30% of the world mobile phone market, then you
> turn over your iPhone to me, I smash it with a hammer, and then you will
> eat it. And if you try to weasel out by not owning an iPhone at the time,
> then I will donate a Newton MP100 that to be smashed with a hammer and for
> you subsequently to eat.
sure, except for the eating part the newton isn't related to the
iphone by the way, the former was built by a non-techy, pepsi guy
(sculley), while the iphone was built by the best minds in cell the
industry.
> You will need to supply me with your correct name, address, and phone
> number; and keep me informed of all subsequent changes of address and
> phone number to ensure fufillment of the wager.
sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
box.
> Oh, and I'll be nice and supply some soy sauce to go with your meal.
no need, you have no idea what is about to happen with the iphone. it's
spelled... massive, m a r k s h a r e.
it's well on track to be more popular than even the ipod, and last time
i checked it had 72% m a r k s h a r e only after 6 years of being on
the market.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> > sure, except for the eating part
>
> No. You must eat it.
so in sum, you are quite scared that the iphone will indeed hit 30%
share within the next 8 years.
> I will video-record your meal and post it on the
> Internet as a humilation of an Apple fanboy.
you are clearly terrified of the iphone and its impact on the cell
industry.
so it's fun to watch you squirm.
> Remember, if you don't deliver your iPhone for smashing/eating, you will
> have to eat a Newton MP100. And there's a lot more to eat on a Newton.
>
> You will not be allowed to worm out of your meal.
being irrational again? or are you terrified of the iphone, or both?
> > sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
> > box.
>
> No. You give me your correct name, address, and phone number now, and you
> supply all updates.
hehe, i won't divulge my address info until it is time for you to pay
up. apple is going to wipe you out with this agreement, the writing is
already on the wall.
i know your history, so i'll be able to collect in 2015, or petition for
your ouster from the technological backwaters called "washington.edu".
> You will not be allowed to disappear without fufilling your wager.
my wager is solid, the cell industry has never had a major competitor of
the likes o apple enter this field. remember IBM? remember Univac?
remember Burroughs, remember Control Data? They are the Nokia, MOT,
Samsung, LG of this era.
The iPhone does the same exact thing to the cell industry. There is
nothing you can do about it, except setup an appointment with SJ and
prove your true worth with IMAP. You'll fail since he can smell a fake a
mile away. But try and email him anyway, sjobs@apple.com, see if you are
worthy. If not, the iPhone wins and Nokia and the rest become the seven
dwarfs to Apple and the iPhone.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
> no need, you have no idea what is about to happen with the iphone. it's
> spelled... massive, m a r k s h a r e.
Markshare? Oh, you mean market share. You may want to try using proper
English, as not using proper English makes you sound even dumber than you
normally sound.
> it's well on track to be more popular than even the ipod, and last time
> i checked it had 72% m a r k s h a r e only after 6 years of being on
> the market.
Different type of product, different market conditions.
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
On Nov 6, 2:48 pm, Bob Campbell <b...@bob.bob> wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-73D00B.13081806112...@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesm...@smart.com> wrote:
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/widi/BUNCH
>
> > They were ALL wiped out by the Apple ][.
>
> I see you are spouting nonsense again.
>
> First of all, the above URL points to nothing.
>
> Second, The Apple 2 had no effect on the BUNCH. They were IBMs
> mainframe competitors, not IBM PC competitors.
That group use to be known of as IBM and the Seven Dwarfs. :-)
> Third, since the IBM PC and clones killed the Apple 2 series, you have
> no point whatsoever. Again.
Why are people still using Blackberries? Oxford says the iPhone
killed the Blackberry within 40 days of its launch. Seeing how there
are at least 8 million Blackberry users, and only one million iPhones,
there must be a lot of sharing going on...
> But then, that is not surprising.
>
> Bob Campbell
Re: The reason why Oxford's wacky predictions won't happen
Oxford, you need to see a mental health professional. Your message below
demonstrates projection bias (also called "Freudian Projection"). This is
a symptom of severe personality disorder.
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007, Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>
>>> sure, except for the eating part
>>
>> No. You must eat it.
>
> so in sum, you are quite scared that the iphone will indeed hit 30%
> share within the next 8 years.
>
>> I will video-record your meal and post it on the
>> Internet as a humilation of an Apple fanboy.
>
> you are clearly terrified of the iphone and its impact on the cell
> industry.
>
> so it's fun to watch you squirm.
>
>> Remember, if you don't deliver your iPhone for smashing/eating, you will
>> have to eat a Newton MP100. And there's a lot more to eat on a Newton.
>>
>> You will not be allowed to worm out of your meal.
>
> being irrational again? or are you terrified of the iphone, or both?
>
>>> sure, i'll track you down in 8ish years and you can send them to my po
>>> box.
>>
>> No. You give me your correct name, address, and phone number now, and you
>> supply all updates.
>
> hehe, i won't divulge my address info until it is time for you to pay
> up. apple is going to wipe you out with this agreement, the writing is
> already on the wall.
>
> i know your history, so i'll be able to collect in 2015, or petition for
> your ouster from the technological backwaters called "washington.edu".
>
>> You will not be allowed to disappear without fufilling your wager.
>
> my wager is solid, the cell industry has never had a major competitor of
> the likes o apple enter this field. remember IBM? remember Univac?
> remember Burroughs, remember Control Data? They are the Nokia, MOT,
> Samsung, LG of this era.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/widi/BUNCH
>
> They were ALL wiped out by the Apple ][.
>
> The iPhone does the same exact thing to the cell industry. There is
> nothing you can do about it, except setup an appointment with SJ and
> prove your true worth with IMAP. You'll fail since he can smell a fake a
> mile away. But try and email him anyway, sjobs@apple.com, see if you are
> worthy. If not, the iPhone wins and Nokia and the rest become the seven
> dwarfs to Apple and the iPhone.
>
> -
>
-- Mark --
http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
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Si vis pacem, para bellum.
NEWS: Google to Announce Mobile Platform on Monday 
the newton isn't related to the
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