i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
"highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
without really listening to my problem.
my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
there.
what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
>termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
>each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
>letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
>"highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
>without really listening to my problem.
>
>my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
>where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
>lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
>the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
>extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
>that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
>say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
>the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
>especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
>there.
>
>what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
>something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
>and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
Well, I guess the first question is how far into the contract are you.
You mentioned "fifteen days", but you said that was the amount of time
you've been trying to get them to waive the fees. It doesn't
necessarily mean that you were only 15 days into a new contract. Can
you clarify please?
>i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
>since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
>my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>
>i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
>can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
>service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
There may be other options. The answer to the above will help sort
these out.
>i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
Well, if it does come down to that, let us know how it turns out.
There's a group wager (of sorts) on whether this can be successfully
challenged in court. You seem to have extenuating circumstances (no
service where you live), but if you've been with them for 5+ years,
then this can't be the first contract you entered with them.
> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
> something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
Maybe what you are not seeing is that they sold (or gave) you a phone for
~$175 less than their cost. In return, you signed a contract to pay for VZW
services for a certain period of time. Now you want out of the contract
without paying for the contract period. They want their ~$175 back. You may
not like it, but I believe that is what they were thinking when they made
this policy.
In one age, called the Second Age by some,
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be The Ghost of General Lee wrote
in message <pvhal25a70aiuopft4jqajdj7rjlj9g7f0@4ax.com>:
>>i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
>>termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
>>each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
>>letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
>>"highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
>>without really listening to my problem.
>>
>>my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
>>where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
>>lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
>>the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
>>extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
>>that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
>>say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
>>the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
>>especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
>>there.
>>
>>what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
>>something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
>>and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>Well, I guess the first question is how far into the contract are you.
>You mentioned "fifteen days", but you said that was the amount of time
>you've been trying to get them to waive the fees. It doesn't
>necessarily mean that you were only 15 days into a new contract. Can
>you clarify please?
>>i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
>>since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
>>my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>>
>>i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
>>can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
>>service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>There may be other options. The answer to the above will help sort
>these out.
>>i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>>make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>
>Well, if it does come down to that, let us know how it turns out.
>There's a group wager (of sorts) on whether this can be successfully
>challenged in court. You seem to have extenuating circumstances (no
>service where you live),
Wrong.
He has service where he lives, but not "where he spends a lot of his
recreation time."
>but if you've been with them for 5+ years,
>then this can't be the first contract you entered with them.
And each of those contracts would have spelled out the early
termination fees.
> i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
> termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
> each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
> letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
> "highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
> without really listening to my problem.
>
> my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
> where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
> lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
> the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
> extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
> that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
> say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
> the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
> especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
> there.
>
> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
> something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>
> i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
> since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
> my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>
> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
While I won't argue that CS is bad to put it mildly, you seem to have backed
yourself into a corner. Your user agreement clearly states the ETF and the
15 day trial period.
Not having service where you are going to spend a great deal of time does
make Verizon a poor choice.
Good luck with getting the ETF dropped. You may have better luck trying to
get it prorated though.
BTW, the guys in the Verizon stores do not plan or install cell cites. I
wouldn't believe anything they say about service.
Bob
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:47:02 GMT, Roger <roger@.> wrote:
>>Well, if it does come down to that, let us know how it turns out.
>>There's a group wager (of sorts) on whether this can be successfully
>>challenged in court. You seem to have extenuating circumstances (no
>>service where you live),
>
>Wrong.
>
>He has service where he lives, but not "where he spends a lot of his
>recreation time."
My eyes were tired. You're right. He's eating those ETF's, as well
he should.
On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 12:32:30 GMT, "The Other Funk"
<bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote:
>Finding the keyboard operational
> theguy@whatever.net entered:
>
>> i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
>> termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
>> each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
>> letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
>> "highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
>> without really listening to my problem.
>>
>> my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
>> where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
>> lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
>> the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
>> extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
>> that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
>> say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
>> the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
>> especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
>> there.
>>
>> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
>> something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
>> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>>
>> i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
>> since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
>> my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>>
>> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
>> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
>> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>>
>> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>
>While I won't argue that CS is bad to put it mildly, you seem to have backed
>yourself into a corner. Your user agreement clearly states the ETF and the
>15 day trial period.
>Not having service where you are going to spend a great deal of time does
>make Verizon a poor choice.
agreed. it was my bad.
>Good luck with getting the ETF dropped. You may have better luck trying to
>get it prorated though.
>BTW, the guys in the Verizon stores do not plan or install cell cites. I
>wouldn't believe anything they say about service.
Ask them why Verizon's coverage map has your dead zone covered and why the
FCC doesn't enforce it. It won't get you anywhere because the CTIA
controls the FCC, but it will get recorded, in case they lose control in
the future.
Good luck on your case.....and......DON'T SIGN ANY MORE CELLULAR CONTRACTS!
Larry
--
Halloween candy left over.....
Is there a downside?
> theguy@whatever.net wrote in news:5g9al2lkjihdjeajttj33d2h39u85s2cn3@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>>
>>
>
> I might also suggest making a little wave in the pond at:
>
> info@fcc.gov
>
> Ask them why Verizon's coverage map has your dead zone covered and
> why the FCC doesn't enforce it. It won't get you anywhere because
> the CTIA controls the FCC, but it will get recorded, in case they
> lose control in the future.
>
> Good luck on your case.....and......DON'T SIGN ANY MORE CELLULAR
> CONTRACTS!
>
> Larry
Before anyone asks why the coverage map doesn't show a dead zone, they might
want to read the disclaimer: "The maps that display within the Coverage
Locator Tool are not a guarantee of coverage and contain areas with no
service. The maps rendered show only approximations (based on our internal
data) of where rates and coverage apply". It might save you a little
embarrassment.
Larry, when did the CTIA take over the FCC from the TV & radio broadcasters?
Even with out a contract, there still is that pesky litter User Agreement.
Can't get something for nothing Larry.
--
--
Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times www.moondoggiecoffee.com
Good 'ol Larry is a rabid conspiracy theorist.
Including (if I remember) faked moon landing, etc, etc..
Just another one of his MANY delusions.
"The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in message news:Urr5h.1174$bj1.1111@trndny05...
> Finding the keyboard operational
> Larry entered:
>
>> theguy@whatever.net wrote in news:5g9al2lkjihdjeajttj33d2h39u85s2cn3@
>> 4ax.com:
>>
>>> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>>> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I might also suggest making a little wave in the pond at:
>>
>> info@fcc.gov
>>
>> Ask them why Verizon's coverage map has your dead zone covered and
>> why the FCC doesn't enforce it. It won't get you anywhere because
>> the CTIA controls the FCC, but it will get recorded, in case they
>> lose control in the future.
>>
>> Good luck on your case.....and......DON'T SIGN ANY MORE CELLULAR
>> CONTRACTS!
>>
>> Larry
>
> Before anyone asks why the coverage map doesn't show a dead zone, they might want to read the disclaimer: "The maps
> that display within the Coverage Locator Tool are not a guarantee of coverage and contain areas with no service. The
> maps rendered show only approximations (based on our internal data) of where rates and coverage apply". It might save
> you a little embarrassment.
> Larry, when did the CTIA take over the FCC from the TV & radio broadcasters?
> Even with out a contract, there still is that pesky litter User Agreement. Can't get something for nothing Larry.
> --
> --
> Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
> www.moondoggiecoffee.com
>
>i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
>termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
>each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
>letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
>"highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
>without really listening to my problem.
>
>my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
>where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
>lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
>the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
>extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
>that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
>say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
>the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
>especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
>there.
>
>what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
>something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
>and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
unfortunately, for you, a little something called a contract is in the
way. don't expect good will from vzw or any other wireless company
for that matter. there are more than enough customers to go around.
>i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
>since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
>my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
i'm surprised that you don't have any wireless service there. we've
traveled most of the country with our vzw phones and i can't recall
anywhere, except some of the mountain valleys, where we didn't have
service. and in those valleys it wasn't a question of service being
available so much as it was an issue of not being able to 'see' a
tower.
>
>i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
>can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
>service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
>i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
>make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
theguy@whatever.net wrote:
> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
Two things.. First, who DOES provide service to that location? (reason I ask
is you will need to know who the provider in that location is for step
2).... Had two other carriers offer to sell me phones/contracts and said go
there and try it.....(cingular and sprint)
Step 2, for me (rural northern idaho, absolutely nobody provided service to
my home location, and even a verizon tower was about 18 miles away... I went
with a whole house repeater from Cellantenna http://www.cellantenna.com/repeater/...g_repeater.htm They have
different models for different providers/frequencies, I had the CAE50 for
$399...
Basically it has a directional yagi antenna for the outside part, I mounted
it on the TV antenna mast and aimed it at a tower about 18 miles away.. That
was cabled to a bi-directional amp inside the house, and had an
omnidirectional rubber ducky antenna to repeat the signal inside (had a
metal snow roof, so a passive repeater won't work).. Worked for up to 10
connections at a time, me, my data card in a laptop, roomie, and various
visitors.. Turned out it spilled over to the front porch/driveway, and since
none of my neighbors phones worked elsewhere, they used to hang on my porch
(or in their cars in the driveway), to make phone calls on their cell
phones.. Was nice when it snowed, guy with a plow used to plow my drive
while he made phone calls..
First off, I don't work for Verizon in any capacity. I've had problems with
them before, but in almost all cases I've been able to solve them using a
combination of "hit and run" (hang up and call back, get a different rep)
and a little social engineering.
Presuming you've been patient and reasonable, and tried the above, I still
can't see where your problem (and I DO RECOGNIZE YOUR PROBLEM) places fault
on Customer Service. As we all know, VZW has some very strict CS policies,
giving CS reps only a certain amount of leeway. If you have a beef with VZW
company policy in this regard, I'm with you there.
Of course, since you're with them for five years, as stated in another post,
you appear to have renewed your contract with them based on promises by CS.
They may have deliberately misled you, or given you bad information based on
what THEY were told, but in any case, the poor service during your first
contract should have raised a huge red flag in regard to choosing your
service provider for the NEXT three years.
I know it's hindsight, but if the store clerk told you Extended Service was
only "a month or two away", why wouldn't you let your contract expire and go
"month to month" (they're really good about this----you risk nothing) until
they made good on the service? Had you done that, you'd be enjoying better
coverage from another provider today, instead of contemplating an annoying
and time-consuming legal action which, if you're VERY lucky, might get you
$175 for all your time and aggravation.
I'd be quite surprised if VZW's fine print in regard to coverage holes isn't
pretty ironclad.
Good Luck in your quest.
Dean
<theguy@whatever.net> wrote in message
news:5g9al2lkjihdjeajttj33d2h39u85s2cn3@4ax.com...
>i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
> termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
> each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
> letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
> "highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
> without really listening to my problem.
>
> my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
> where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
> lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
> the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
> extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
> that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
> say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
> the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
> especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
> there.
>
> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
> something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>
> i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
> since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
> my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>
> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
> Good 'ol Larry is a rabid conspiracy theorist.
> Including (if I remember) faked moon landing, etc, etc..
>
> Just another one of his MANY delusions.
Larry is one of my favorite "tweaks". I just chase him till he goes away.
Then when he comes back, I start all over.
Just one of the simple joys in life.
Bob
> "The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in
> news:Urr5h.1174$bj1.1111@trndny05:
>
>> Larry, when did the CTIA take over the FCC from the TV & radio
>> broadcasters?
>>
>
> The day Michael Powell sat down in the chairman's chair.....
>
> Larry
But Kevin Martin is there now. Isn't it the recording industries turn?
"The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in news:E6J5h.1833$%U.378
@trndny07:
> Finding the keyboard operational
> Larry entered:
>
>> "The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in
>> news:Urr5h.1174$bj1.1111@trndny05:
>>
>>> Larry, when did the CTIA take over the FCC from the TV & radio
>>> broadcasters?
>>>
>>
>> The day Michael Powell sat down in the chairman's chair.....
>>
>> Larry
>
> But Kevin Martin is there now. Isn't it the recording industries turn?
>
> --
> --
> Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times
> www.moondoggiecoffee.com
>
>
Good point. But, CTIA, NAB, RIAA, MPAA all have lots of money to spend on
campaigns, the only reason any of them are there in the first place.
It's why they are auctioning off the public's airwaves to the highest
bidders....I suspect broadcast bands to be auctioned off some day, to the
dismay of the public.
Larry
--
My calendar must be wrong....
In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!
> It's why they (FCC) are auctioning off the public's airwaves to the
> highest
> bidders....I suspect broadcast bands to be auctioned off some day, to
> the dismay of the public.
>
> Larry
Minor nit to pick. It isn't "the publics airwaves". The radio waves are held
in trust for the public. Kinda means the same thing. Just like a
"Government of the People, by the People and for the People".
Back on topic. Since more and more frequency allocations are being set by
international agreement does anyone care to predict when all cellular phones
will be on the same band?
Bob
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"The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in
news:9hP5h.841$xD.514@trndny08:
> Since more and more frequency allocations are being set by
> international agreement does anyone care to predict when all cellular
> phones will be on the same band?
> Bob
>
When America has the same digital TV standards as the rest of the planet.
History is repeating itself with America's poorer DTV, the oddball out.
Like our nationalist languages to keep humans from this fiefdom from
communicating with that fiefdom, our electronic standards follow....to keep
us apart and fighting, making the Rothchilds of the planet richer and
richer....
Larry
--
My calendar must be wrong....
In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!
I'm with you. Customer service is gone at Verizon. They couldn't care
less about how you are treated. The cell phone scam industry is alive
and well. The only way to hold the accountable is to let them take you
to court for the money or better yet go to small claims court yourself.
Make it painful for them to do business like this.
theguy@whatever.net wrote:
> i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
> termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
> each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
> letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
> "highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
> without really listening to my problem.
>
> my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
> where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
> lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
> the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
> extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
> that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
> say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
> the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
> especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
> there.
>
> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
> something that i am not seeing here? they will not even discuss it
> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>
> i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
> since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
> my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>
> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
In article <5g9al2lkjihdjeajttj33d2h39u85s2cn3@4ax.com>, theguy@whatever.net took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill,
and I said "Oh Wow"...
> i just spent two weeks trying to get verizon to waive my early
> termination fees with no success. i spoke to five different cs reps,
> each of whom promised to call me back but no one did. finally wrote a
> letter and got a call from a place that said that they were the
> "highest level" that i could complain to. they denied my request too,
> without really listening to my problem.
>
> my problem is that while verizon does provide service to the location
> where i live, they do not provide service to the area where i spend a
> lot of my recreation time. for the last five years the service rep at
> the local store where i get my phones has "promised" me the the
> extended service is "just a month or two away". while i now realize
> that i never should have believed anything that verizon wireless would
> say, i never the less thought that they would be reasonable and waive
> the fees. i have to have coverage in the area i go to, and it is
> especially important now that i am retiring and will spend more time
> there.
If you're going to spend a lot more time there, like all the time
there, you may want to hit up the EZ Move department and just switch
your home service area to there.
>
> what is the deal with waiving the early termination fees? is there
> something that i am not seeing here?
The fact that they aren't going to do it.
> they will not even discuss it
> and get quite wierd when i try to talk to them about it.
>
> i will end my verizon service but i guess will have to pay the fees,
> since i have to have coverage in that area so i can actually talk to
> my family, who will be staying home for the most part.
>
> i intend to get my moenys worth out of this by letting everyone that i
> can know what a bunch of total worthless pos's verizon customer
> service is, but anyone aware of any other options.
>
> i am thinking of a small claims action. won't cost me much and will
> make verizon come out here to defend themselves.
>
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