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Old 02-29-2012, 04:51 PM
The Ghost of General Lee
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Default PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

Just received an email from Kitty Wireless that the PagePlus Leap Year
special where you get double data (1G on the $55 plan has been
extended through March 31st.

"$55.00 Plan 1GB Data Promotion for
UTnT 55 Customers in 2012
OFFER EXTENDED THROUGH 03/31/2012
Yay!! Page Plus has extended the 1GB Promotional Signup Period to go
through March
31st, 2012! That means, instead of having until the end of the day on
02/29/2012
to become a $55 plan member, you have until the end of the day on
March 31st, 2012!
This is great news for tons of people who were scrambling frantically
to get in!"


No word yet on PP's official site, but I expect that will be happen
soon.

http://www.pagepluscellular.com/55planpromo.aspx

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Old 02-29-2012, 06:01 PM
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"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
news:f6psk7pajkd3k3v4h6rbl9riiisclu2skm@4ax.com...
> Just received an email from Kitty Wireless that the PagePlus Leap Year
> special where you get double data (1G on the $55 plan has been
> extended through March 31st.
>
> "$55.00 Plan 1GB Data Promotion for
> UTnT 55 Customers in 2012
> OFFER EXTENDED THROUGH 03/31/2012
> Yay!! Page Plus has extended the 1GB Promotional Signup Period to go
> through March
> 31st, 2012! That means, instead of having until the end of the day on
> 02/29/2012
> to become a $55 plan member, you have until the end of the day on
> March 31st, 2012!
> This is great news for tons of people who were scrambling frantically
> to get in!"
>
>
> No word yet on PP's official site, but I expect that will be happen
> soon.
>
> http://www.pagepluscellular.com/55planpromo.aspx


Ya; got that too. Now, if I can only use my cell enough to justify getting
"The 12" 250/250/10 $12 plan, I'd be part-way towards justifying $55 for
unlim calls, txts and 1 GB data.



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Old 02-29-2012, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> Just received an email from Kitty Wireless that the PagePlus Leap Year
> special where you get double data (1G on the $55 plan has been
> extended through March 31st.
> "

<snip>
This is great news for tons of people who were scrambling frantically
> to get in!"


I doubt if many people are scrambling to get in, frantically or
otherwise. If it were 1GB for as long as you kept the plan then that
would be one thing, but 1GB for only the rest of the year, who cares?
You get used to using that much data and then it gets cut in half on
January 1, 2013.

I expect that the response to "The 55" plan was underwhelming so they
added that temporary extra 500GB of data as an incentive, and the
response was still underwhelming so they extended it. I think they came
up with "The 55" as a competitor to Straight Talk's unlimited plan, but
it isn't much of a response.

Those that need a lot of data and can live with AT&T's network are
better off sticking a Straight Talk SIM card into an AT&T compatible
Android phone or iPhone. Unlimited everything for $45/month (a bit less
if you pay annually). Sure "unlimited data" really isn't unlimited, but
it seems to be somewhere between 2GB and 5GB a month (someone claimed
that an employee of Straight Talk told them that it was 5GB/month, but
others claim that they've gotten warnings at 2GB, or even less).

For a long time Straight Talk didn't sell SIM cards, only phones, and
people were buying specific phones to take the SIM card out of, trim it
down, and then stick it into an iPhone. Now they sell both SIM and
MicroSIM cards for $14.99.

The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card for
AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.



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Old 02-29-2012, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012


"sms88" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2/29/2012 9:51 AM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>> Just received an email from Kitty Wireless that the PagePlus Leap Year
>> special where you get double data (1G on the $55 plan has been
>> extended through March 31st.
>> "

> <snip>
> This is great news for tons of people who were scrambling frantically
>> to get in!"

>
> I doubt if many people are scrambling to get in, frantically or otherwise.


Perhaps not. But, to clarify, that "scrambling" language was in the email
from Kitty; it wasn't an editorial comment by Gen'l Lee...



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Old 02-29-2012, 07:01 PM
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On 2/29/2012 11:51 AM, tycho wrote:

> Perhaps not. But, to clarify, that "scrambling" language was in the email
> from Kitty; it wasn't an editorial comment by Gen'l Lee...


Yes, that's why I left it in the original quotes.

"Sale extended by popular demand" generally means, "we couldn't unload
enough of this product of unsuspecting buyers."

I expect that Pageplus is not having a lot of success in increasing ARPU
and has too many customers using only a few dollars worth of service per
month. But Verizon isn't offering them the low prices on data that other
carriers are giving to Straight Talk, so their data offerings are weak.

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Old 02-29-2012, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:48:35 -0800, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card for
>AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.


No matter to me, those are three companies I'll never do business
with.

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Old 02-29-2012, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

On 2/29/12 3:20 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:48:35 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card for
>> AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.

>
> No matter to me, those are three companies I'll never do business
> with.


How come?

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Old 03-01-2012, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012


"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
news:f6psk7pajkd3k3v4h6rbl9riiisclu2skm@4ax.com...
> Just received an email from Kitty Wireless that the PagePlus Leap Year
> special where you get double data (1G on the $55 plan has been
> extended through March 31st.
>
> "$55.00 Plan 1GB Data Promotion for
> UTnT 55 Customers in 2012
> OFFER EXTENDED THROUGH 03/31/2012
> Yay!! Page Plus has extended the 1GB Promotional Signup Period to go
> through March
> 31st, 2012! That means, instead of having until the end of the day on
> 02/29/2012
> to become a $55 plan member, you have until the end of the day on
> March 31st, 2012!
> This is great news for tons of people who were scrambling frantically
> to get in!"
>
>
> No word yet on PP's official site, but I expect that will be happen
> soon.
>
> http://www.pagepluscellular.com/55planpromo.aspx


The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us. Might use some data but what
they offer now is likewise of no use and less interest.




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Old 03-01-2012, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:02 -0500, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
<sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:

>On 2/29/12 3:20 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:48:35 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card for
>>> AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.

>>
>> No matter to me, those are three companies I'll never do business
>> with.

>
>How come?


With both T-Mobile and AT&T, the problem is coverage and customer
service. I have friends using both providers that have had to borrow
my VZW and later Alltel and PagePlus phones to make calls in not too
out of the way areas, then listen to their frustrations in hour+ long
calls to customer service. And you couldn't get me to walk into a
WalMart if you put a gun to my head. I hate that damn place. Always
crowded, too few checkouts open, they treat customers as suspected
criminals, and too frequently their prices are higher than other
stores.

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Old 03-01-2012, 04:48 AM
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Default Re: PagePlus 1GB $55 plan offer extended through 3/31/2012

"NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.


Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.

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Old 03-01-2012, 08:10 AM
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"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.

>
> Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.


Seems PagePlus is a part and parcel of Verizon's business plan. In reality
an offering from Verizon and a just issue for verizon group.





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Old 03-01-2012, 03:35 PM
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On 2/29/2012 9:48 PM, XS11E wrote:
> "NotMe"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.

>
> Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.


LOL, but Page Plus Cellular is very much on-topic.

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Old 03-01-2012, 04:47 PM
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sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 2/29/2012 9:48 PM, XS11E wrote:
>> "NotMe"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.

>>
>> Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.

>
> LOL, but Page Plus Cellular is very much on-topic.


Absolutely not. The title of the group is VERIZON, not Page Plus

He said filtering out any post with "Page Plus".
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Old 03-01-2012, 05:03 PM
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"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2012 9:48 PM, XS11E wrote:
>>> "NotMe"<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.
>>>
>>> Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.

>>
>> LOL, but Page Plus Cellular is very much on-topic.

>
> Absolutely not. The title of the group is VERIZON, not Page Plus
>
> He said filtering out any post with "Page Plus".


LOL, seems a personal problems solved.




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Old 03-01-2012, 06:09 PM
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On 3/1/2012 10:03 AM, NotMe wrote:

> LOL, seems a personal problems solved.


Very strange, since he sometimes has useful posts. What would make him
think that discussions of a Verizon MVNO are not on-topic in a Verizon
newsgroup? Weird.

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Old 03-01-2012, 07:03 PM
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On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:48:49 -0700, XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

>"NotMe" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> The 55 plan has nothing of interest to us.

>
>Agreed and PagePlus is off topic in this group.


You're full of ****, as usual.

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Old 03-01-2012, 09:21 PM
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"The Ghost of General Lee" <ghost@general.lee> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:02 -0500, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
> <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:
>
>>On 2/29/12 3:20 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:48:35 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card
>>>> for
>>>> AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.
>>>
>>> No matter to me, those are three companies I'll never do business
>>> with.

>>
>>How come?

>
> *snip*
>
> And you couldn't get me to walk into a
> WalMart if you put a gun to my head. I hate that damn place. Always
> crowded, too few checkouts open, they treat customers as suspected
> criminals, and too frequently their prices are higher than other
> stores.


No, really; what do you really think?



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Old 03-01-2012, 11:31 PM
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On 2/29/12 11:29 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:13:02 -0500, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
> <sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:
>
>> On 2/29/12 3:20 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:48:35 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The key thing with Straight Talk is to be sure to get a GSM SIM card for
>>>> AT&T's network, not T-Mobile's.
>>>
>>> No matter to me, those are three companies I'll never do business
>>> with.

>>
>> How come?

>
> With both T-Mobile and AT&T, the problem is coverage and customer
> service. I have friends using both providers that have had to borrow
> my VZW and later Alltel and PagePlus phones to make calls in not too
> out of the way areas, then listen to their frustrations in hour+ long
> calls to customer service. And you couldn't get me to walk into a
> WalMart if you put a gun to my head. I hate that damn place. Always
> crowded, too few checkouts open, they treat customers as suspected
> criminals, and too frequently their prices are higher than other
> stores.


I'm with you on ATT/T-Mo-- but usually have a positive experience at
most Wally Worlds-- except ones located in "low income" neighborhoods.
At those, I agree with your assessment!

I've been a PagePlus customer for a few years now-- having spent a
decade plus with Verizon and its predecessors. I've had several
interactions with PagePlus customer service over the last few months--
changing/adding phones for family members-- and have been very favorably
impressed.

Short to no wait times, friendly, capable CSRs who speak clear,
unaccented English, and get the job done quickly on the first call. I
even had one volunteer some unsolicited good advice on setting up and
using a non-supported, bring-my-own phone (Palm Pixi Plus) that I was
activating.


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Old 03-02-2012, 12:26 AM
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On 3/1/2012 4:31 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:

> I'm with you on ATT/T-Mo-- but usually have a positive experience at
> most Wally Worlds-- except ones located in "low income" neighborhoods.
> At those, I agree with your assessment!


I've grown more fond of Walmart as other stores like Target convert to
boutique-like stores where you can't buy much of anything useful. You
want motor oil, camping gear, sporting goods, etc., Walmart has it.

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Old 03-02-2012, 01:17 AM
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SMS wrote on [Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:26:20 -0800]:
> On 3/1/2012 4:31 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>
>> I'm with you on ATT/T-Mo-- but usually have a positive experience at
>> most Wally Worlds-- except ones located in "low income" neighborhoods.
>> At those, I agree with your assessment!

>
> I've grown more fond of Walmart as other stores like Target convert to
> boutique-like stores where you can't buy much of anything useful. You
> want motor oil, camping gear, sporting goods, etc., Walmart has it.


That's not true. Wal-Mart often has something close to what you want,
but not what you want. With their business practices leading manufacturers
to produce lower and lower quality products to sell in their stores, they
are worth even less.


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Old 03-02-2012, 02:42 AM
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 02:17:32 +0000 (UTC), Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
wrote:

>SMS wrote on [Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:26:20 -0800]:
>> On 3/1/2012 4:31 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with you on ATT/T-Mo-- but usually have a positive experience at
>>> most Wally Worlds-- except ones located in "low income" neighborhoods.
>>> At those, I agree with your assessment!

>>
>> I've grown more fond of Walmart as other stores like Target convert to
>> boutique-like stores where you can't buy much of anything useful. You
>> want motor oil, camping gear, sporting goods, etc., Walmart has it.

>
>That's not true. Wal-Mart often has something close to what you want,
>but not what you want. With their business practices leading manufacturers
>to produce lower and lower quality products to sell in their stores, they
>are worth even less.


Yeah, there's that, too. Thanks, Justin.

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Old 03-02-2012, 04:24 AM
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In article <4f5021c5$0$11955$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS says...
>
> On 3/1/2012 4:31 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
>
> > I'm with you on ATT/T-Mo-- but usually have a positive experience at
> > most Wally Worlds-- except ones located in "low income" neighborhoods.
> > At those, I agree with your assessment!

>
> I've grown more fond of Walmart as other stores like Target convert to
> boutique-like stores where you can't buy much of anything useful. You
> want motor oil, camping gear, sporting goods, etc., Walmart has it.



Yeah, except in Apple Valley where our Wal-Mart is half the size of any
of the other Los Angeles-area stores. :-/


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Old 03-02-2012, 04:10 PM
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On 3/1/2012 7:42 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:

>> That's not true. Wal-Mart often has something close to what you want,
>> but not what you want. With their business practices leading manufacturers
>> to produce lower and lower quality products to sell in their stores, they
>> are worth even less.

>
> Yeah, there's that, too. Thanks, Justin.


LOL, so the five quart jug of name brand oil sold at Walmart is
different from the same five quart jug of oil, with the same SKU, sold
at Pep Boys or Autozone? Do you realize the liability that a
manufacturer would incur if they did that? That Coleman stove with the
same model number and SKU as the one you order from Campmor, is actually
a special, lower quality product made just for Walmart? I have some land
to sell you in Florida if you believe that.

Now if you're talking about Walmart's private label brands, or name
brand lines of products produced solely for Walmart, like any big chain,
they get manufacturers to produce products to meet specific price
points, and those products are often inferior. Walmart is hardly unique
in that regard--Sears, Costco, Target, etc., all do it.

I've experienced numerous quality problems with Costco's Kirkland brand
that name brand products don't have, to the point where I'm highly
suspect of Kirkland stuff. I always chuckle when Costco introduces a
Kirkland product and stops carrying the name brand product, then a few
months later the Kirkland product disappears and the name brand product
returns--it shows that they are paying very close attention to consumer
acceptance of Kirkland products, i.e. how many customers bought the
Kirkland product once, then stopped. They can do sophisticated data
mining since they can track what each member buys on each visit.

In any case, in the case of StraightTalk, no visit to Walmart is needed
to buy a SIM card for an AT&T compatible GSM phone (in fact visiting
Walmart would do no good since the SIM cards are not sold in the store).
Nor is a visit to the store necessary to pay for monthly service.

A key marketing strategy of companies that sell products and services is
to be able to sell a specific product or service to different
demographic groups at the maximum price each group is willing to pay.
Walmart's target demographic is less affluent consumers (though they are
trying to change this by carrying products like the iPhone and iPad), so
prepaid wireless is a big seller. The question for the consumer is how
to leverage something like StraightTalk service to their advantage.
Almost immediately after it was launched, you saw posts on Howard Forums
about how to use an iPhone on StraightTalk. It was a complicated
procedure because you could not just buy a SIM card, you had to buy a
specific phone, remove the SIM card, trim it to MicroSim size, then make
some changes to the phone. Now it's become much easier. At the same
time, AT&T has worsened their unlimited data service to the point where
you get about the same amount of service on a StraightTalk unlimited
plan as you do on an AT&T unlimited plan, for about 1/3 the cost per
month. So who cares if it's a product sold only at Walmart? You don't
even ever have to go into a Walmart to get it.

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Old 03-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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On 3/1/2012 9:24 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:

> Yeah, except in Apple Valley where our Wal-Mart is half the size of any
> of the other Los Angeles-area stores. :-/


We have very few Walmarts in the Bay Area, and none of the big stores
except in the very far reaches (Gilroy). I go to Walmart rarely. On road
trip vacations, especially those involving outdoor activities, we often
go to a Walmart.

I can walk to Target and Sears from my house. They just have very little
that I want. Target is trying to be a cross between Ikea, Safeway, and Ross.

The Walmart Supercenters remind me of the old Gemco stores (though Gemco
still had a better sporting goods department). You can still buy
products that may not be chic or command huge margins, so stores like
Target can't be bothered with them.

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Old 03-02-2012, 05:06 PM
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:10:46 -0800, sms88 <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>In any case, in the case of StraightTalk, no visit to Walmart is needed
>to buy a SIM card for an AT&T compatible GSM phone (in fact visiting
>Walmart would do no good since the SIM cards are not sold in the store).
>Nor is a visit to the store necessary to pay for monthly service.


They get none of my money. Period.

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Old 03-02-2012, 06:49 PM
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"sms88" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 3/1/2012 7:42 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>
>>> That's not true. Wal-Mart often has something close to what you want,
>>> but not what you want. With their business practices leading
>>> manufacturers
>>> to produce lower and lower quality products to sell in their stores,
>>> they
>>> are worth even less.

>>
>> Yeah, there's that, too. Thanks, Justin.

>
> LOL, so the five quart jug of name brand oil sold at Walmart is different
> from the same five quart jug of oil, with the same SKU, sold at Pep Boys
> or Autozone? Do you realize the liability that a manufacturer would incur
> if they did that? That Coleman stove with the same model number and SKU as
> the one you order from Campmor, is actually a special, lower quality
> product made just for Walmart? I have some land to sell you in Florida if
> you believe that.


I'm retired and at one time worked in the manufacturing side (engineering).
What you mention is not all that unusual. Many of the lawn equipment
manufactures do this. What you buy from Mom & Pop at a higher price often
has better parts and design on the inside than the same machine you get from
the Big Box Store.

When questioned the response is to the effect 'on going product
improvement', vendor change in parts, non availbility of parts etc.



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Old 03-02-2012, 09:51 PM
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On 3/2/12 1:06 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:10:46 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In any case, in the case of StraightTalk, no visit to Walmart is needed
>> to buy a SIM card for an AT&T compatible GSM phone (in fact visiting
>> Walmart would do no good since the SIM cards are not sold in the store).
>> Nor is a visit to the store necessary to pay for monthly service.

>
> They get none of my money. Period.


Just curious, what have you got against paying less for the same service?

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Old 03-02-2012, 10:13 PM
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On 3/2/2012 2:31 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<jir8vh$1r8$1@dont-email.me>, "NotMe"<me@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>>> LOL, so the five quart jug of name brand oil sold at Walmart is different
>>> from the same five quart jug of oil, with the same SKU, sold at Pep Boys
>>> or Autozone? Do you realize the liability that a manufacturer would incur
>>> if they did that? That Coleman stove with the same model number and SKU as
>>> the one you order from Campmor, is actually a special, lower quality
>>> product made just for Walmart? I have some land to sell you in Florida if
>>> you believe that.

>>
>> I'm retired and at one time worked in the manufacturing side (engineering).
>> What you mention is not all that unusual. Many of the lawn equipment
>> manufactures do this. What you buy from Mom& Pop at a higher price often
>> has better parts and design on the inside than the same machine you get from
>> the Big Box Store.

>
> ...which means, by definition, that it's *not* the same machine as from
> the Big Box Store.
>
> And that's the whole point. Cosmetically, to stupid people, "it's the
> same thing for half the price!" and they buy it, not realizing how
> stupid they are.


They don't buy it thinking that it's the same as the one at the other
store, they buy it because it's half the cost. Last lawnmower I bought
was at Costco. It had a Honda engine, but was not a Honda mower. I knew
full well that the mowers sold at the Honda store for $600 were better
than the $200 mower at Costco, but since I'm not starting a lawn care
business I didn't need the higher end product. Either one will last as
long a live in the house, both are serviceable with replacement wheels,
blades, engine parts, etc.

> Same with appliances. Trust me, cosmetically it looks just like the
> same freezer that the appliance store sells--but it's not.


You often hear people say about Kenmore appliances, "well it's built by
Whirlpool," as if each brand does not have appliances with a range of
features and quality. Of course if you want really high quality
appliances you don't go to Sears or Home Depot, you buy commercial grade
appliances.

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Old 03-02-2012, 10:16 PM
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On 3/2/2012 2:51 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
> On 3/2/12 1:06 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:


>> They get none of my money. Period.

>
> Just curious, what have you got against paying less for the same service?


He's not paying for AT&T service to begin with.

The big issue with a service like StraightTalk or Pageplus is not only
is it "prepaid" for the monthly service, it's also prepaid for a
handset. To a great many people, the heavily subsidized handset is more
important than a lower monthly cost, even though logically it would be
much cheaper to buy the unsubsidized handset and pay much less per month.


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Old 03-02-2012, 10:23 PM
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On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:51:59 -0500, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
<sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:

>On 3/2/12 1:06 PM, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 09:10:46 -0800, sms88<scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In any case, in the case of StraightTalk, no visit to Walmart is needed
>>> to buy a SIM card for an AT&T compatible GSM phone (in fact visiting
>>> Walmart would do no good since the SIM cards are not sold in the store).
>>> Nor is a visit to the store necessary to pay for monthly service.

>>
>> They get none of my money. Period.

>
>Just curious, what have you got against paying less for the same service?


I use PagePlus and their $10 refill cards on 4 lines of service, and
my balances continue to increase each time I refill. Show be a better
deal than that.

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