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Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On 4/2/12 1:42 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:02:04 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>> http://www.kittywireless.com/pageplu...ctivation.html
>>
>> Good until April 1 at 8PM ET.
>
> You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
> PagePlus any time?
Yeah, I really don't understand this dealer thing. What's the business
model?
They seem to charge the same-- or maybe few percent less-- on a few PINs
than buying directly from PP. But if you buy from them, that's then
another link for something to go wrong in the purchase/PIN application
process. Also, your credit card info is now in the hands of who knows
what kind of small part time vendor-- a guy who probably works off his 4
year old laptop sitting on the kitchen table-- and you can bet there's
no encryption on your info.
The biggest thing I don't understand is, as Mr Nobody points out, they
charge for things you can get for free directly from PP. Well, I guess
if there weren't suckers out there, there's be no one to pay full retail
or shop at the Mall.
--
You're all worthless and weak. Now drop and give me 20.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On 4/3/2012 8:03 AM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
<snip>
> The biggest thing I don't understand is, as Mr Nobody points out, they
> charge for things you can get for free directly from PP. Well, I guess
> if there weren't suckers out there, there's be no one to pay full retail
> or shop at the Mall.
The only reason to buy from a reseller for PP is to get the $80/365
day/4¢ per minute "card," which for some reason isn't sold directly by
Pageplus. I asked a Pageplus CSR for the reason once, and got a
nonsensical answer. Something about they are worried about fraud on the
$80 cards. It makes no sense because if there's credit card fraud on a
refill, Pageplus knows what account the refill was used on and can just
remove the money from the account. OTOH if an independent dealer falls
victim to fraud they have little recourse.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Tue, 03 Apr 2012 11:03:48 -0400, "Douglas C. Neidermeyer"
<sgt@arms.omega.faber.edu> wrote:
>On 4/2/12 1:42 PM, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:02:04 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.kittywireless.com/pageplu...ctivation.html
>>>
>>> Good until April 1 at 8PM ET.
>>
>> You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>> PagePlus any time?
>
>Yeah, I really don't understand this dealer thing. What's the business
>model?
The business model is to rip off the naive consumer. Not only will
PagePlus activate a phone for free, you don't even have to buy
anything else from them. You are free to go buy the card from anyone
you want.
>
>They seem to charge the same-- or maybe few percent less-- on a few PINs
>than buying directly from PP. But if you buy from them, that's then
>another link for something to go wrong in the purchase/PIN application
>process. Also, your credit card info is now in the hands of who knows
>what kind of small part time vendor-- a guy who probably works off his 4
>year old laptop sitting on the kitchen table-- and you can bet there's
>no encryption on your info.
>
>The biggest thing I don't understand is, as Mr Nobody points out, they
>charge for things you can get for free directly from PP. Well, I guess
>if there weren't suckers out there, there's be no one to pay full retail
>or shop at the Mall.
> The business model is to rip off the naive consumer. Not only will
> PagePlus activate a phone for free, you don't even have to buy
> anything else from them. You are free to go buy the card from anyone
> you want.
Pageplus will also change ESN's for free. Apparently one thing a dealer
will do that Pageplus won't do is to activate a Verizon iPhone on Pageplus.
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:02:04 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
><ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>>http://www.kittywireless.com/pageplu...ctivation.html
>>
>>Good until April 1 at 8PM ET.
>
>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>PagePlus any time?
So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
I ordered a 6 unit lot of phones off eBay last year and when Kitty ran
this promo soon after I received the phones, I was able to activate
all 6 phones to make sure they worked without paying a dime to them,
and without providing them anything else but the ESNs and my zip code.
Now knowing they work and can be reactivated when I need them, they
sit in my desk as backups for my other phones.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 00:31:46 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 10:42:40 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 21:02:04 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>><ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.kittywireless.com/pageplu...ctivation.html
>>>
>>>Good until April 1 at 8PM ET.
>>
>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>PagePlus any time?
>
>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
Yes.
>
>I ordered a 6 unit lot of phones off eBay last year and when Kitty ran
>this promo soon after I received the phones, I was able to activate
>all 6 phones to make sure they worked without paying a dime to them,
>and without providing them anything else but the ESNs and my zip code.
>Now knowing they work and can be reactivated when I need them, they
>sit in my desk as backups for my other phones.
>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>PagePlus any time?
>>
>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>
>Yes.
Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
<ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>
>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>
>>Yes.
>
>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>
>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
and extend your expiration date 120 days."
That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
a new 120 days at the moment of purchase. They, via 2 phones and
email, insist I am reading it wrong. I suggested they hire native
speakers of English to write their descriptions.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
<nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>
>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>
>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>
>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>
> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>
> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
*snip*
As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence is
inaccurate.
Nothing starts "at the moment of purchase." Buy the PIN, keep the number
safe, take a vacation, do whatever. Nothing starts until =the moment you
apply it to your PP account.=
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
"meh" <you@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>>
>>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>>
>>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>>
>>*snip*
>>
>>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence
>>is
>>inaccurate.
>
> Actually, he's right.
>
> It does NOT 'extend' your time, it starts a new clock of 120 days.
Wasn't quibbling about that a-tall. Was merely commenting on "pot" vs.
"kettle," my point being the reference to "moment of purchase."
You can buy a PIN from PP and sit on it for months. The new clock doesn't
get set until you =apply= it to the account.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:58:48 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.com>,
> nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>> >>>>PagePlus any time?
>> >>>
>> >>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>> >>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>> >>
>> >>Yes.
>> >
>> >Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>> >
>> >http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>
>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>
>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase. They, via 2 phones and
>> email, insist I am reading it wrong. I suggested they hire native
>> speakers of English to write their descriptions.
>
>Ummmmmm....yes, it will extend your expiration date 120 days.
>
>That is to say, if you have any minutes in your account already, and
>those are set to expire, then once you add the additional 100 minutes
>those previous minutes no longer have their original expiration date,
>but rather they take on the expiration date of the additional 100
>minutes you just put on.
>
>The expiration date of those already existing minutes gets extended.
>
>If you don't have any existing minutes on your account, there's nothing
>to extend--in which case, the 100 minutes you just bought start a new
>120 day cycle.
And if you do have existing minutes on your accout, they still still
start the 120 day cycle right now.
The expiration date of my current balance is May 22, per their web
site, so extending the expiration 120 days would be from then, not
right now. May 22 is what PagePlus, not me, has designated as the
expiration date. What the plain English meaning of their statement on
their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
from May 22.
They don't do that.
>
>But the theory is, you don't let those existing minutes expire. Every
>119 days (or fewer) you add more minutes to your account, preserving the
>existing minutes and extending the date at which they expire.
And if you want to maximize the cycles, use the whole 120 days, you
cannot replenish at what they tell you is the expiration date. You
have to do it exactly on the expiration date. The reason I care is
that my wife will never use the current balance. We started with a $25
card and she's used 45 minutes of 416. The only reason to replenish is
to keep the phone active. 2 $10 cards will last the year and she'll
like have a $30 balance at that point. Unless her usage increases
exponentially, she will never runout of minutes before the end of a
120 day cycle.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>
>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>>>
>>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>
>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>
>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>
>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>
>*snip*
>
>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence is
>inaccurate.
>
>Nothing starts "at the moment of purchase." Buy the PIN, keep the number
>safe, take a vacation, do whatever. Nothing starts until =the moment you
>apply it to your PP account.=
>
What's inaccurate? The 120 days starts when I go to their web site
and replenish. What doesn't happen is what their site says should
happen, extend the current expiration date.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:47:16 -0700, meh <you@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>>
>>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>>
>>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>>
>>*snip*
>>
>>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence is
>>inaccurate.
>
>
>Actually, he's right.
>
>It does NOT 'extend' your time, it starts a new clock of 120 days.
>
>
Thank you. They can have whatever policy they want. The aggravation is
in that they say they will EXTEND the expiration date. The only
expiration date that exist prior to replenishing is the one PP tells
me, both on the site and on the phone.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:41:05 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
>"meh" <you@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>news:4mbsn79bnpooc5sducohmaddjnj32v4opt@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>>>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>>>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you a
>>>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said phone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>>>
>>>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>>>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>>>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>>>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>>>
>>>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>>>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>>>
>>>*snip*
>>>
>>>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence
>>>is
>>>inaccurate.
>>
>> Actually, he's right.
>>
>> It does NOT 'extend' your time, it starts a new clock of 120 days.
>
>Wasn't quibbling about that a-tall. Was merely commenting on "pot" vs.
>"kettle," my point being the reference to "moment of purchase."
In case you missed it, I was referring to what the PP site says about
replenishung from that site.
>
>You can buy a PIN from PP and sit on it for months. The new clock doesn't
>get set until you =apply= it to the account.
>
And so what's the difference between having to replenish through PP
at 120 days or buying a PIN and and holding it to use at exactly 120
days. And PP won't sell me a PIN, according to them (and neither will
KittyWireless to a new customer). If you go through them, the purchase
is appied now.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
<nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:41:05 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"meh" <you@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>>news:4mbsn79bnpooc5sducohmaddjnj32v4opt@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>>>>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you
>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said
>>>>>>>>phone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>>>>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>>>>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>>>>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>>>>
>>>>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>>>>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>>>>
>>>>*snip*
>>>>
>>>>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence
>>>>is
>>>>inaccurate.
>>>
>>> Actually, he's right.
>>>
>>> It does NOT 'extend' your time, it starts a new clock of 120 days.
>>
>>Wasn't quibbling about that a-tall. Was merely commenting on "pot" vs.
>>"kettle," my point being the reference to "moment of purchase."
>
> In case you missed it, I was referring to what the PP site says about
> replenishung from that site.
>>
>>You can buy a PIN from PP and sit on it for months. The new clock doesn't
>>get set until you =apply= it to the account.
>>
> And so what's the difference between having to replenish through PP
> at 120 days or buying a PIN and and holding it to use at exactly 120
> days. And PP won't sell me a PIN, according to them (and neither will
> KittyWireless to a new customer). If you go through them, the purchase
> is appied now.
Nevermind... My attempt at an ironic counterpoint has been completely lost.
I got your point from the beginning. I didn't/don't disagree.
You never got my point.
I've bought numerous PINs from both PP and Kitty, and applied them when I
wished. Sometimes immediately, sometimes days-weeks-months down the road.
I never once had a PIN auto-applied upon purchase by either PP or Kitty.
So, based on my experience, you saying that a PIN purchased from PP "starts
a new 120 days =>AT THE MOMENT OF PURCHASE<=" (see emphasis on that phrase?)
is inaccurate. It is just as inaccurate statement as PP's website claim
that (adding) a PIN to an account "will add xxx minutes to your account and
extend your expiration date 120 days".
See? a comparison of inaccurate statements. Irony.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote on [Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:10:14 -0400]:
> In article <ni8tn75ivaf3dr50cnj962fbt9kbv4f0rc@4ax.com>,
> nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >Ummmmmm....yes, it will extend your expiration date 120 days.
>> >
>> >That is to say, if you have any minutes in your account already, and
>> >those are set to expire, then once you add the additional 100 minutes
>> >those previous minutes no longer have their original expiration date,
>> >but rather they take on the expiration date of the additional 100
>> >minutes you just put on.
>> >
>> >The expiration date of those already existing minutes gets extended.
>> >
>> >If you don't have any existing minutes on your account, there's nothing
>> >to extend--in which case, the 100 minutes you just bought start a new
>> >120 day cycle.
>>
>> And if you do have existing minutes on your accout, they still still
>> start the 120 day cycle right now.
>
> ...replacing the OLD cycle the OLD minutes were on.
>
> So yes, as a practical matter you are extending the OLD minutes past
> their ORIGINAL expiration date.
> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
> from May 22.
As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On 4/6/2012 5:21 PM, tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:12:10 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
>> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
>> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
>> from May 22.
>
> As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
> with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
> another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
> days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
>
> Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
The Pageplus web site is full of errors, contradictions, and ambiguous
statements.
If you e-mail or call them the answer you get will often be equally
incorrect or ambiguous.
Of course they should have said:
"This card will add 100 minutes to your account and your new expiration
date 120 days from the day the card is applied to your account, or the
current expiration date, whichever is later." I.e. you could have bought
an $80 card to extend your expiration date for a year, but after six
months used up most of the money and then added a $10 card. Your
expiration date would not change with the addition of $10 card.
For a long time, Pageplus had the following statement on their web site:
"However, when roaming does occur, you will be charged $.29 per minute
regardless of your service plan."
This contradicted the roaming rates specified on each plan. The finally
changed their web site and it now states:
"However, when roaming does occur, you will be charged the roaming rate
associated with your service plan."
Roaming now costs between 20¢ and 59¢/minute and it doesn't always make
sense as to which rate applies to which plan. I.e. the standard plan is
29¢/minute while Talk n Text 1200 is 59¢/minute.
I think I'm going to change from "Talk n Text 1200" to "The 12." With so
much free Wi-Fi around, I'm not using nearly enough data to make the
"Talk n Text 1200" plan worthwhile.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:10:14 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>In article <ni8tn75ivaf3dr50cnj962fbt9kbv4f0rc@4ax.com>,
> nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>> >Ummmmmm....yes, it will extend your expiration date 120 days.
>> >
>> >That is to say, if you have any minutes in your account already, and
>> >those are set to expire, then once you add the additional 100 minutes
>> >those previous minutes no longer have their original expiration date,
>> >but rather they take on the expiration date of the additional 100
>> >minutes you just put on.
>> >
>> >The expiration date of those already existing minutes gets extended.
>> >
>> >If you don't have any existing minutes on your account, there's nothing
>> >to extend--in which case, the 100 minutes you just bought start a new
>> >120 day cycle.
>>
>> And if you do have existing minutes on your accout, they still still
>> start the 120 day cycle right now.
>
>...replacing the OLD cycle the OLD minutes were on.
>
>So yes, as a practical matter you are extending the OLD minutes past
>their ORIGINAL expiration date.
Yes, the 120 day cycle always starts when you replenish whether you
have minutes left or not.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:21:54 -0400, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
wrote:
>On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:12:10 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>
>> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
>> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
>> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
>> from May 22.
>
>As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
>with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
>another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
>days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
>
>Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
>
>Cheers, -- tlvp
I'm still not buying it. At the point your read the desription of the
$10 card in their store there is only one expiration date in
existence, the one they show in my account. The description says that
"This card will add 100 minutes to your account and extend your
expiration date 120 days." At that point there is only one expiration
date it could refer to, and it's not one your are going to create
later.
Legally, ambiguities areresolved against who made the maker of the
aggreement, even if you could claim it's ambiguous. I still don't
agree it is, because you can't reference something that doesn't exist
in the description of the item.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:54:35 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>
><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>news:rk9tn75eshrul0oj7lk52gl0orvpvtrhp4@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 21:41:05 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"meh" <you@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4mbsn79bnpooc5sducohmaddjnj32v4opt@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:02:43 -0500, "tycho" <this@wont-work.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><nobody@nada.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:tinrn7tn9g0g5kohrmhogk2b5pock7lm4r@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:29:11 -0400, The Ghost of General Lee
>>>>>> <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 11:35:35 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You mean jst like the free activation you can get directly from
>>>>>>>>>>PagePlus any time?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So you mean PP will let you activate a phone, along with giving you
>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>$2 credit, without porting to or activating a card PIN on said
>>>>>>>>>phone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmm, their site is suspiciously absent of such details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Onli.../Activate.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've done it twice, and their site is absent or wrong about many
>>>>>> details of their service. For example, their site says, under 100
>>>>>> Minutes Voice Card "This card will add 100 minutes to your account
>>>>>> and extend your expiration date 120 days."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's false. It will not extend the expiration date at all. It starts
>>>>>> a new 120 days at the moment of purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>>*snip*
>>>>>
>>>>>As you are being a stickler, I think what =you= say in the last sentence
>>>>>is
>>>>>inaccurate.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, he's right.
>>>>
>>>> It does NOT 'extend' your time, it starts a new clock of 120 days.
>>>
>>>Wasn't quibbling about that a-tall. Was merely commenting on "pot" vs.
>>>"kettle," my point being the reference to "moment of purchase."
>>
>> In case you missed it, I was referring to what the PP site says about
>> replenishung from that site.
>>>
>>>You can buy a PIN from PP and sit on it for months. The new clock doesn't
>>>get set until you =apply= it to the account.
>>>
>> And so what's the difference between having to replenish through PP
>> at 120 days or buying a PIN and and holding it to use at exactly 120
>> days. And PP won't sell me a PIN, according to them (and neither will
>> KittyWireless to a new customer). If you go through them, the purchase
>> is appied now.
>
>Nevermind... My attempt at an ironic counterpoint has been completely lost.
>
>I got your point from the beginning. I didn't/don't disagree.
>
>You never got my point.
>
>I've bought numerous PINs from both PP and Kitty, and applied them when I
>wished. Sometimes immediately, sometimes days-weeks-months down the road.
>I never once had a PIN auto-applied upon purchase by either PP or Kitty.
>
>So, based on my experience, you saying that a PIN purchased from PP "starts
>a new 120 days =>AT THE MOMENT OF PURCHASE<=" (see emphasis on that phrase?)
>is inaccurate. It is just as inaccurate statement as PP's website claim
>that (adding) a PIN to an account "will add xxx minutes to your account and
>extend your expiration date 120 days".
>
>See? a comparison of inaccurate statements. Irony.
>
>*sigh*
>
I don't see on the PP store where to buy a PIN.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
SMS wrote on [Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:44:44 -0700]:
> On 4/6/2012 5:21 PM, tlvp wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:12:10 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
>>> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
>>> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
>>> from May 22.
>>
>> As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
>> with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
>> another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
>> days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
>>
>> Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
>
> The Pageplus web site is full of errors, contradictions, and ambiguous
> statements.
>
> If you e-mail or call them the answer you get will often be equally
> incorrect or ambiguous.
>
> Of course they should have said:
>
> "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and your new expiration
> date 120 days from the day the card is applied to your account, or the
> current expiration date, whichever is later." I.e. you could have bought
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote on [Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:25:37 -0400]:
> In article <jln3k9$q99$1@dont-email.me>, Justin <nospam@insightbb.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > ...replacing the OLD cycle the OLD minutes were on.
>> >
>> > So yes, as a practical matter you are extending the OLD minutes past
>> > their ORIGINAL expiration date.
>>
>> But not 120 days.
>
> 119 days.
"This card will add 100 minutes to your account and extend your expiration date 120 days"
iex·tend/ik'stend/
Verb:
Cause to cover a larger area; make longer or wider
The ONLY valid action is to add 120 days to the end of the expiration date
whether you apply it on day 1, day 20 or day 120.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 02:37:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
> The ONLY valid action is to add 120 days to the end of the expiration date
> whether you apply it on day 1, day 20 or day 120.
Not the only reading -- could also be to extend the expiration date to 120
days from the date on which the extension is effectuated (rather than 120
days beyond the prior expiration date). "Read flexibly" :-) . Cheers,
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP. -- tlvp
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 07:10:14 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <ni8tn75ivaf3dr50cnj962fbt9kbv4f0rc@4ax.com>,
>> nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>> >Ummmmmm....yes, it will extend your expiration date 120 days.
>>> >
>>> >That is to say, if you have any minutes in your account already, and
>>> >those are set to expire, then once you add the additional 100 minutes
>>> >those previous minutes no longer have their original expiration date,
>>> >but rather they take on the expiration date of the additional 100
>>> >minutes you just put on.
>>> >
>>> >The expiration date of those already existing minutes gets extended.
>>> >
>>> >If you don't have any existing minutes on your account, there's nothing
>>> >to extend--in which case, the 100 minutes you just bought start a new
>>> >120 day cycle.
>>>
>>> And if you do have existing minutes on your accout, they still still
>>> start the 120 day cycle right now.
>>
>>...replacing the OLD cycle the OLD minutes were on.
>>
>>So yes, as a practical matter you are extending the OLD minutes past
>>their ORIGINAL expiration date.
>
> Yes, the 120 day cycle always starts when you replenish whether you
> have minutes left or not.
Indeed, there's *no* requirement to have *any* minutes left. You can let a
line "lie fallow" and replenish only on the last possible day before the
account lapses, if you're really pinching your little pennies :-) . Voice
mail can continue to function through all that time, I believe.
Cheers, -- tlvp
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
> On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:21:54 -0400, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:12:10 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>
>>> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
>>> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
>>> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
>>> from May 22.
>>
>>As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
>>with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
>>another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
>>days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
>>
>>Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
>>
>>Cheers, -- tlvp
>
> I'm still not buying it. At the point your read the desription of the
> $10 card in their store there is only one expiration date in
> existence, the one they show in my account. The description says that
> "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and extend your
> expiration date 120 days." At that point there is only one expiration
> date it could refer to, and it's not one your are going to create
> later.
>
> Legally, ambiguities areresolved against who made the maker of the
> aggreement, even if you could claim it's ambiguous. I still don't
> agree it is, because you can't reference something that doesn't exist
> in the description of the item.
OK, then: better than an $80 PIN to get a year's worth of no-renewing
freedom, apply three $10 PINs one right after the other some day, and see
whether you get 360 days of no-renewing freedom :-) .
I'd bet you get only 120 days worth ... starting from the day you do that.
And good luck in Small Claims Court pressing your case :-) .
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
Re: Kitty Wireless at it again, doing free PagePlus activations
tlvp wrote on [Sat, 7 Apr 2012 01:07:02 -0400]:
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 02:37:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:
>
>> The ONLY valid action is to add 120 days to the end of the expiration date
>> whether you apply it on day 1, day 20 or day 120.
>
> Not the only reading -- could also be to extend the expiration date to 120
> days from the date on which the extension is effectuated (rather than 120
> days beyond the prior expiration date). "Read flexibly" :-) . Cheers,
>SMS wrote on [Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:44:44 -0700]:
>> On 4/6/2012 5:21 PM, tlvp wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 01:12:10 -0700, nobody@nada.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> What the plain English meaning of their statement on
>>>> their web site , "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and
>>>> extend your expiration date 120 days" is that they should go 120 days
>>>> from May 22.
>>>
>>> As I read it, the "plain English" of the statement is plainly ambiguous,
>>> with at least the meaning you ascribe to it as one potential meaning, and
>>> another potential meaning being that the new expiration date will fall 120
>>> days beyond the date on which you add the value of your PIN / card.
>>>
>>> Turns out what Page Plus intended is the latter :-) .
>>
>> The Pageplus web site is full of errors, contradictions, and ambiguous
>> statements.
>>
>> If you e-mail or call them the answer you get will often be equally
>> incorrect or ambiguous.
>>
>> Of course they should have said:
>>
>> "This card will add 100 minutes to your account and your new expiration
>> date 120 days from the day the card is applied to your account, or the
>> current expiration date, whichever is later." I.e. you could have bought
>
>Except it's not 100 minutes, it's $10
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