> Among the next steps being considered, say people familiar with the
> company, is a speed-up of the network migration of Nextel's iDEN users
> to CDMA, and a possible sale of the iDEN network.
>
The iDen customers will NEVER accept the shitty poor CDMA walkie-talkie
service from any carrier. CDMA was never a trunk radio service, no matter
how you spin it. But, for iDen to work, it has to have TOWERS that Nextel
never installed. Guys pulling wires through crawlspaces under houses need
those towers Nextel never installed to make it work right.
Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A29EABC66A7Anoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:cdf480de-2269-4320-ba2d-
> 6ce946adcef2@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Among the next steps being considered, say people familiar with the
>> company, is a speed-up of the network migration of Nextel's iDEN users
>> to CDMA, and a possible sale of the iDEN network.
>>
>
> The iDen customers will NEVER accept the shitty poor CDMA walkie-talkie
> service from any carrier. CDMA was never a trunk radio service, no matter
> how you spin it. But, for iDen to work, it has to have TOWERS that Nextel
> never installed. Guys pulling wires through crawlspaces under houses need
> those towers Nextel never installed to make it work right.
>
> Duhh......(c;
>
William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
> NO... DUH right back!!
>
> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
> not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
> guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
> the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
> more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
>
>
Pretty much, I work at a couple locations that did just that. Most
everyone hated the beep---beep---beep Captain Commando walkie talkies.
On Jan 21, 7:04*pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
> > NO... DUH right back!!
> > the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
> > more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
>
> Pretty much, I work at a couple locations that did just that. Most
> everyone hated the beep---beep---beep Captain Commando walkie talkies.
I hate the Nextel beep with a passion! It is bad is to be at a
customer location, standing around with some suits and have a beep and
no one knows who is being called. Everyone has Nextel. Our company
policy is to never send an alert unless it is an emergency. We chirp
someone and wait without speaking until they choose to answer. We
never speak until they reply to the chirp for no one knows who may be
listening and our conversations must be private. I often just call who
I want on my cell phone using Bluetooth on my end.
"William Sheehan, Jr." <w.sheehan@remove.worldnet dot att dot net>
wrote in news:HI8lj.469559$kj1.87315@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> NO... DUH right back!!
>
> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast
> generalization. but not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter
> alone!) All the old Nextel guys here on the job went VZW (joined the
> rest of us) and just programmed the one button dials for who they
> wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any more, but hand sets at half
> the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
>
>
The reason business wants iDen was because the phones could be put in
restricted walkie ONLY modes that wouldn't dial outside numbers, using the
boss's phones to talk to the girlfriends instead of working.
The walkie also allows employees to call "Mike", which comes out all the
speakers everywhere like a PA. Other employees hearing this and knowing
Mike is taking a crap in the portable LOO, would answer the call.
SELLphones don't provide either service.
SELLphones are also "girly" phones. iDen phones, with CONSTRUCTION in
mind, survive being stuffed into a jeans pocket crawling under a house to
fix plumbing. Motorola made them to lay on. If you lay on a girly phone
from Verizon, it simply disintegrates. Look for the CONSTRUCTION PHONE on
Verizon's webpage. See any?
Nextel isn't about phones for company vice presidents. Nextel's phones are
about plumbers and electricians and carpenters and roofers and drywall guys
covered in gook.
Different people in a different market.....altogether.
If the Nextel guys fled Nextel, they went to Motorola trunk radios you can
drive the dozer over....not girly phones from Verizon and Sprint.
William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
> NO... DUH right back!!
>
> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
> not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
> guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
> the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
> more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
Actually a lot (most?) of the businesses that used Nextel _did_ care
about broadcast mode, but the other PTT services also have broadcast
mode. Being able to broadcast out to your entire field staff to find out
who was free to respond to an urgent call is very useful for many
businesses.
Broadcast mode was the only real unique aspect of Nextel, as using
walkie-talkie mode was painful even with the shorter delay of iDEN.
SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47958663$0$84249
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
> Broadcast mode was the only real unique aspect of Nextel, as using
> walkie-talkie mode was painful even with the shorter delay of iDEN.
>
>
Another aspect of the real Nextel users is logging onto OTHER user's
networks....
Case in point, I have a friend who owns an electrical service business on
Nextel. He wouldn't think of using anything else, even though Nextel gives
him poor coverage in many areas near here. The reason is he can simply
click up another network and be talking, instantly, to his SUPPLIERS
warehouse people, even from across town, to check on the availability,
instantly, even from some just awful locations like the attic of a
building, ordering on the spot. Oh, sure, he could call them on the phone,
but that gets him the office bureaucrats, not George in warehouse 3 who
knows where that E372908DD5 Umptisquat is supposed to be. He doesn't have
to wait for some secretary to find George. George answers his call
directly on 28372 group number.
Many subcontractors have their group number on their trucks...right under
their phone number! Most subcontractors in the construction business won't
get a contract UNLESS they HAVE a Nextel Group number to submit with their
bids!
Like I said, this ISN'T about suits and bureaucrats. It's about comms for
the working class, Nextel's bread and butter customers....
Another thing Verizon doesn't match is a customers call TO that
electrician's Nextel phone. Verizon wants airtime......Nextel INCOMING
calls are always FREE.....and that matters to those businesses, too.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-F68380.06272322012008@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
> In article <Xns9A2DCED1A03Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Case in point, I have a friend who owns an electrical service
>> business on Nextel. He wouldn't think of using anything else, even
>> though Nextel gives him poor coverage in many areas near here. The
>> reason is he can simply click up another network and be talking,
>> instantly, to his SUPPLIERS warehouse people, even from across town,
>> to check on the availability, instantly, even from some just awful
>> locations like the attic of a building, ordering on the spot. Oh,
>> sure, he could call them on the phone, but that gets him the office
>> bureaucrats, not George in warehouse 3 who knows where that
>> E372908DD5 Umptisquat is supposed to be. He doesn't have to wait for
>> some secretary to find George. George answers his call directly on
>> 28372 group number.
>
> Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as easily
> carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
>
>
Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?
Look closely.....it needs to be:
Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements, crawling
under things.
Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company
INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
company.
Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.
Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone does
quite well right now?
> Doesn't wash, does it?
>
I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.
> In article <Xns9A2D653226B5Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as
easily
>> > carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?
>>
>> Look closely.....it needs to be:
>>
>> Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements,
crawling
>> under things.
>>
>> Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company
>>
>> INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
>> company.
>>
>> Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
>> harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.
>>
>> Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone
does
>> quite well right now?
>>
>> Doesn't wash, does it?
>
> First you focus on the technology, then you focus on the
administrative
> aspects.
>
> Which do you want to focus on?
>
> I can make a cell phone account act exactly as you describe.
>
>
Business doesn't care. Just make it work EXACTLY like Nextel, which you
can't.
George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:uICdnYeaxfrqgwvanZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> larry wrote:
>
>> Doesn't wash, does it?
>>
> I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
> your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
> the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
> never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.
>
Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged against
customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime charges either.
So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.
Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM airtime,
but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls INCOMING and walkie
mode.
This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So, shove your
personal attacks up your ass.
George wrote:
> William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
>> NO... DUH right back!!
>>
>> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast
>> generalization. but not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter
>> alone!) All the old Nextel guys here on the job went VZW (joined the
>> rest of us) and just programmed the one button dials for who they
>> wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any more, but hand sets at half
>> the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
>>
>>
>
> Pretty much, I work at a couple locations that did just that. Most
> everyone hated the beep---beep---beep Captain Commando walkie talkies.
At my wife's company they called it PTA (Push to Annoy). Still, it did
have it's benefits being able to contact an entire field staff without
calling every person individually, at least until the staff started
turning off their phones to stop being interrupted. The biggest problem
with Nextel was that the coverage was so limited. Her staff goes well
outside the metro area, and they have to carry another phone, usually
Verizon, in order to have coverage.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in
news:elmop-FD90C8.17423522012008@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
> In article <Xns9A2D7F08E55E8noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged
>> against customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime
>> charges either. So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.
>>
>> Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM
>> airtime, but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls
>> INCOMING and walkie mode.
>>
>> This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So,
>> shove your personal attacks up your ass.
>
> Are you saying that, for example, Verizon couldn't sell a plan with
> free incoming? That free incoming is somehow only for, and inherent
> to, Nextel and iDEN?
>
>
Nope, not at all. I'm saying the reason Joe's Storm Door and Electric,
Inc., buys Nextel is because Verizon DOESN'T OFFER IT TO HIM.
larry wrote:
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:uICdnYeaxfrqgwvanZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> larry wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't wash, does it?
>>>
>> I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
>> your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
>> the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
>> never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.
>>
>
> Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged against
> customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime charges either.
> So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.
>
> Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM airtime,
> but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls INCOMING and walkie
> mode.
>
> This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So, shove your
> personal attacks up your ass.
>
>
So let me get this straight.
It is OK for you to continuously insult anyone who decides to pay for a
service they want with your "Sellphone" nonsense but it hurts your
feelings when anyone mentions how ridiculous and stupid it is because
you use and advocate paid services.
On Jan 23, 8:23 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> larry wrote:
> > George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >news:uICdnYeaxfrqgwvanZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@comcast.com :
>
> >> larry wrote:
>
> >>> Doesn't wash, does it?
>
> >> I never realized Nextel walkie-talkies were free. Because I know with
> >> your constant use of "Sellphone" you really object to someone paying for
> >> the value they get from a communications provider so I know you could
> >> never be an advocate of any communications system that isn't free.
>
> > Nextel isn't free. INCOMING PHONE CALLS are "free", not charged against
> > customer airtime, EVER. Walkie Talkie mode has no airtime charges either.
> > So the ONLY airtime payment is for OUTGOING calls.
>
> > Back at the construction site, those phones have absolute MINIMUM airtime,
> > but are being used constantly all month. Phone calls INCOMING and walkie
> > mode.
>
> > This isn't about me. It's about WHY BUSINESS LIKES NEXTEL. So, shove your
> > personal attacks up your ass.
>
> So let me get this straight.
>
> It is OK for you to continuously insult anyone who decides to pay for a
> service they want with your "Sellphone" nonsense but it hurts your
> feelings when anyone mentions how ridiculous and stupid it is because
> you use and advocate paid services.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Among the next steps being considered, say people familiar with the
company, is a speed-up of the network migration of Nextel's iDEN
users
to CDMA, and a possible sale of the iDEN network. "
Remember, whether Nextel survives or not they are still considering
the sale of iDEN. Which in turn may mean good-bye Nextel because its
an inferior technology even to Sprint. By the way, some of you may not
know, but Sprint leases Verizon's network. Without Verizon Wireless,
Sprint would not exist in this great day. And by-the-way, for you
cheapies that won't pay for good service or don't know what good
service is to even PAYphore it. What is your deal with SELLphone?
Good gosh. Grow up and deal with the world like everyone else does.
No one likes a smart ass.
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-01-23, sanchezkk <sanchezkk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Remember, whether Nextel survives or not they are still considering
> the sale of iDEN. Which in turn may mean good-bye Nextel because its
> an inferior technology even to Sprint. By the way, some of you may not
> know, but Sprint leases Verizon's network.
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:07:35 GMT, William Sheehan, Jr. wrote:
> Nobody cares about PTT anymore. (yes I know it's a vast generalization. but
> not for 3/4 of a million people last quarter alone!) All the old Nextel
> guys here on the job went VZW (joined the rest of us) and just programmed
> the one button dials for who they wanted. Problem solved. No chirping any
> more, but hand sets at half the price, too. Never used broadcast anyway.
Same experience here. Several of my distributors and resellers who used
Nextel for their industrial customer field support have migrated to VZW for
better coverage at rural customer sites. The influx of camera and
messaging phones has killed PTT.
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
> 15E568.11202622012008@nntp1.usenetserver.com:
>
>> In article <Xns9A2D653226B5Fnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
>> larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > Yeah. And we all know that George in warehouse 3 could just as
> easily
>>> > carry a cell phone, with ITS own phone number.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Which SELLphone Verizon sells would you have him carry?
>>>
>>> Look closely.....it needs to be:
>>>
>>> Indestructable during forklift, box carrying, cargo movements,
> crawling
>>> under things.
>>>
>>> Cannot dial out, no calling outside the company
>>>
>>> INCOMING calls must all be INCLUDED at no airtime charges to the
>>> company.
>>>
>>> Only business calls from contractors can connect to it, not George's
>>> harem of bar girls, bookies, other drunks, sports buffs.
>>>
>>> Which phone should we sell him that will do what his Nextel phone
> does
>>> quite well right now?
>>>
>>> Doesn't wash, does it?
>>
>> First you focus on the technology, then you focus on the
> administrative
>> aspects.
>>
>> Which do you want to focus on?
>>
>> I can make a cell phone account act exactly as you describe.
>>
>>
>
> Business doesn't care. Just make it work EXACTLY like Nextel, which you
> can't.
Business will have to adapt when Sprint kills the IDEN network.
Cellguy <cellguy@no.org> wrote in news:j9dq4we503ez$.yoay68ca70ti$.dlg@
40tude.net:
> Business will have to adapt when Sprint kills the IDEN network.
>
They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
range.
On 800, Nextel yanked the plug on ALL of the existing customers.
(Both the Moto 800 and the LTR 800 systems they took over)
I still remember the certified letters - and the backlash.
There isn't any maxtrac, (etc) customers on 800 anymore.
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2F6E475A6EEnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>
> They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
> phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
> bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
> range.
>
"Ness-Net" <no.richard@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in
news:KNGdnRE1jcZqbgXanZ2dnUVZ_r6rnZ2d@giganews.com :
> You better fact check that....
>
> On 800, Nextel yanked the plug on ALL of the existing customers.
> (Both the Moto 800 and the LTR 800 systems they took over)
>
> I still remember the certified letters - and the backlash.
>
> There isn't any maxtrac, (etc) customers on 800 anymore.
>
> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A2F6E475A6EEnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>>
>> They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
>> phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
>> bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
>> range.
>>
>
>
er, ah, trunk radio systems aren't connected with Nextel.
Steve Sobol wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
> On 2008-01-23, sanchezkk <sanchezkk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remember, whether Nextel survives or not they are still considering
>> the sale of iDEN. Which in turn may mean good-bye Nextel because its
>> an inferior technology even to Sprint. By the way, some of you may not
>> know, but Sprint leases Verizon's network.
>
> Where'd you get that outrageous claim from?
He's just a bit confused at the difference between Verizon and Verizon
Wireless. It's true that Sprint leases capacity (on both AT&T's and
Verizon's fiber optic networks), and Sprint has been complaining to
Congress about the rates they are being charged. I.e. see
"http://www.freepress.net/news/26653".
Sprint's use of Verizon Wireless for roaming capability is not any sort
of lease arrangement. However Sprint does lease its own wireless network
to many different MVNOs, such as MetroPCS and Virgin.
On 2008-01-25, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Sprint's use of Verizon Wireless for roaming capability is not any sort
> of lease arrangement. However Sprint does lease its own wireless network
> to many different MVNOs, such as MetroPCS and Virgin.
I'm pretty sure MetroPCS isn't a Sprint reseller, I think they own their
own spectrum. The channel numbers in the bay area aren't Sprint's,
and I think I saw them in both Sprint's and Verizon's PRLs in the
never-use-this category. They don't do roaming, either, which is
why their service is limited to bits of 6 states.
"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2FC4E92A76Bnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "Ness-Net" <no.richard@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in
> news:KNGdnRE1jcZqbgXanZ2dnUVZ_r6rnZ2d@giganews.com :
>
>> You better fact check that....
>>
>> On 800, Nextel yanked the plug on ALL of the existing customers.
>> (Both the Moto 800 and the LTR 800 systems they took over)
>>
>> I still remember the certified letters - and the backlash.
>>
>> There isn't any maxtrac, (etc) customers on 800 anymore.
>>
>> "larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A2F6E475A6EEnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>>>
>>> They will. Motorola still rents time on their trunk radio systems with
>>> phone interconnect. You can't break those Moto walkies without using a
>>> bulldozer. It works like the iDen they love but has lots more power and
>>> range.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> er, ah, trunk radio systems aren't connected with Nextel.
Er, ah - where do you think Nextel got the freqs they use today?
(from the Moto and LMR 800 SMS systems they took over and shuttered)
Existing SMS customers were told to switch, or tough shit
Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> amazed us all with the following in
news:8rmmp31ojps4bm99jql9qc4nf692h6k9h3@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:43:40 -0600, Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>>sanchezkk <sanchezkk@gmail.com> amazed us all with the following in
>>news:32d89422-b9e0-4653-a6ad-5c19c6eb5fd9@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> By the way, some of you may not
>>> know, but Sprint leases Verizon's network. Without Verizon
>>> Wireless, Sprint would not exist in this great day.
>>
>>That's bullshit and absolutely not true. You've just proved that you
>>don't have a clue about the company or the industry, Junior.
>>
>>Go back to posting on myspace- it's a little more your speed.
>
> Not sure who owns the towers but in my area (NW Washington State)
> Sprint & Verizon do share towers, and there aren't very many of them
> because coverage sucks.
>
Tower sharing isn't uncommon. You'll probably find that the tower is owned
by a third pasrty who leases the space to Sprint and Verizon.
"Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message
news:8rmmp31ojps4bm99jql9qc4nf692h6k9h3@4ax.com...
>
> Not sure who owns the towers but in my area (NW Washington State)
> Sprint & Verizon do share towers, and there aren't very many of them
> because coverage sucks.
Collocation is common nowadays because of NIMBYs and forcing new
construction
to go that route. Also, there are lots of sites owned by an independent
tower co, (Crown,
American Tower, Spectrasite, etc). But, not all of them are independently
owned.
In NW WA, there is (some) collocation, but by no means are all of the two
carrier's sites
collocated.
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