Re: Should I get an iPhone or some other similar device? --

On Mar 13, 11:07*pm, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> HawaiiMacAddict wrote innews:47d9b12a$0$17324$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
> > Additionally, he's leaving out that on
> > the iPhone, with a REAL browser, you get the real webpage (minus flash
>
> Real web browsers have Flash and can play Youtube videos without a special
> conversion website....(c

REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE

There is a huge downside to flash!

Web sites can place secret flash cookies on your device for tracking
you. These are almost impossible to delete as they are not normal
cookies but a secret feature of flash. Banks love flash for this
reason. Now you tell me who is the smart one Apple or the sheep who
demand a browser with Macromedia's flash code?

Do a web search for the involved directions for deleting and blocking
flash cookies. That is not a fun process and most will not be able to
do it. Hello, I bet most Verizon and Sprint users were unaware of the
existance of web sites using flash tracking options on their devices
including their PC.

AT&T iPhone users do not have that worry.

AT&T iPhone users do not have that worry.


They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather because you
get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and go do something
else. EDGE is fucking terrible. That you mactards try to make it sound good
is hysterical.

In alt.cellular.verizon 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:

> REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE

> There is a huge downside to flash!

Yes. Same with email. Same with other web pages.

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:c7e1dde6-9ed2-4e7d-b25f-
8ba7ac58567c@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
>

Oh! Is THAT the reason this PoS doesn't produce Flash webpages like EVERY
OTHER COMPUTER ON THE PLANET, INCLUDING FANBOIZ' MAC?

"MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast.net> wrote in
news:zLadnUtH2s_cjEfanZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com:

> They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather
> because you get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and
> go do something else.

I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.

On Mar 14, 11:57 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c7e1dde6-9ed2-4e7d-b25f-
> 8ba7ac585...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
>
> Oh! Is THAT the reason this PoS doesn't produce Flash webpages like EVERY
> OTHER COMPUTER ON THE PLANET, INCLUDING FANBOIZ' MAC?

Larry is that you on the phone to Waffle House?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73834592226214

On Mar 14, 11:58 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "MuahMan" <muah...@cumcast.net> wrote innews:zLadnUtH2s_cjEfanZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.co m:
>
> > They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather
> > because you get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and
> > go do something else.
>
> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
> webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
> them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.

Why Larry never went back to Verizon was captured on video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73834592226214

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7ee8dac5-f662-4cb5-81db-4de06227b65c@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 14, 11:57 am, Larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>> 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c7e1dde6-9ed2-4e7d-b25f-
>> 8ba7ac585...@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > REAL WEB BROWSERS AND FLASH ARE INSECURE
>>
>> Oh! Is THAT the reason this PoS doesn't produce Flash webpages like
>> EVERY OTHER COMPUTER ON THE PLANET, INCLUDING FANBOIZ' MAC?
>
> Larry is that you on the phone to Waffle House?
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...73834592226214
>

The deflection is not working, Vic. FLASH - It's what YouTube runs on
which is why REAL YouTube doesn't work for you....

This doesn't run on your iPhoney, either:

http://www.nseries.com/n800

coincidence?

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A617B0586173noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
> "MuahMan" <muahman@cumcast.net> wrote in
> news:zLadnUtH2s_cjEfanZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> They don't have that worry not for the lack of flash but rather
>> because you get tired of waiting 3-5 minutes for the page to load and
>> go do something else.
>
> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
> webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
> them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.
>

It's just so slow. It's a shame too because it is the best cell phone
browser.

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopiesofposts> wrote in news:vrGdnb5-
87YNT0banZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@giganews.com:

> None of my computers produce flash pages because I work rather hard to
> disable flash. 95% of it is total crap.
>
>

You'll LOVE Iphone. It hardly does anything like Flash or other addons.

In article <Xns9A617B0586173noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else that
> webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone owners calling
> them to complain about the shitty data service crawling along like dirt.

Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys you
use.

anon <anon@anon.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:anon-B9319D.21531615032008@news.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns9A617B0586173noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
>> that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
>> owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
>> crawling along like dirt.
>
> Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
> A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
> you use.
>

Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.

In article <Xns9A62CBC81D516bob@216.196.97.136>,
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> anon <anon@anon.com> amazed us all with the following in
> news:anon-B9319D.21531615032008@news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9A617B0586173noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> > Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
> >> that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
> >> owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
> >> crawling along like dirt.
> >
> > Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
> > A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
> > you use.
> >
>
> Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.

Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.

anon <anon@anon.com> wrote in news:anon-ECCB60.22505615032008
@news.giganews.com:

> Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
> crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
> or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.
>
>

I find it hard to swallow, myself. When I came home from the country, two
days ago, I was listening to KSEY in Seymour, Texas, playing texas swing
and cowboy music while Maemo Mapper was displaying my position precisely in
the lane of the roads I was driving down, downloading more mosaic squares
of satellite photos overlaid with street/road names from the server, on
Alltel's archaic EVDO broadband, which blankets Eastern SC quite well.

As you may guess, I'm no fan of sellphone carriers, but it serves its
purpose at times like these until something better comes along.....

Data actually flows better in the boondocks because I don't have to compete
with other users for EVDO service, I suppose.

anon <anon@anon.com> amazed us all with the following in news:anon-
ECCB60.22505615032008@news.giganews.com:

> In article <Xns9A62CBC81D516bob@216.196.97.136>,
> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> anon <anon@anon.com> amazed us all with the following in
>> news:anon-B9319D.21531615032008@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > In article <Xns9A617B0586173noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
>> > Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think EDGE is the reason it doesn't have Flash, and anything else
>> >> that webpage streams......because ATT doesn't want irate iPhone
>> >> owners calling them to complain about the shitty data service
>> >> crawling along like dirt.
>> >
>> > Not really. Most of us iPhone users are getting online via WiFi.
>> > A fact you three iPhone haters will never get on your outdated toys
>> > you use.
>> >
>>
>> Then you admit to having no desire to be truly mobile. How interesting.
>
> Huh?? It's called being totally mobile. Hard to explain to someone
> crawling along on the 3G network. Perhaps someday you will understand if
> or when your toy phone cacthes up. I wouldn't count on it though.
>

You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.

With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while on my
way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify import of data
and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to work.

You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday you
will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't count on
it though.

The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
news:Xns9A62EAA9736BCbob@216.196.97.136:

> You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.
>
> With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while
> on my way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify
> import of data and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to
> work.
>
> You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday
> you will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't
> count on it though.
>
>

Precisely the reason why his toy iPhone will never be a "business device"
Apple is hawking.

In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> Data actually flows better in the boondocks because I don't have to compete
> with other users for EVDO service, I suppose.

Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I get
in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:

> Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
> get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>

Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
In Boston, or any heavily populated area, there are thousands of users
fighting over X bandwidth. In VT, the bandwidth just sits there with
occasional use. Country people, in general of course, are much less
technology addicted than city people, like us. I bet if we went to rural
VT and polled 1000 sellphone users, a tiny fraction of them use or even
know data service exists. They just got them off AMPS, kicking and
screaming because these little toyphones really suck in the country because
the infrastructure to support them simply isn't built....and probably never
will be. Remember all those dead zones you were in?

So, some smartass from Boston comes in with his FancyFone 5000 and has the
whole bandwidth to himself....capped, of course, by the company's
hobblings. The sellphone runs as fast as they'll let it.

It's not real busy in the boondocks.....I stream Xiph and Shoutcast out
there a lot.

In Boston, you have to share what the company has, which is never enough,
with all the other Boston smartasses with FancyFone 5000s...(c; They'll
buy more bandwidth if enough corporate users start rattling their sabres
and churning....

"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9A62EAA9736BCbob@216.196.97.136:
>
>> You're not mobile with that overpriced iPod.
>>
>> With that 3G connection, I can update an entire billing system while
>> on my way to work. I can set off a series of macros that verify
>> import of data and kick off a ton of reporting, all while driving to
>> work.
>>
>> You can't do that with your static wifi connection. Perhaps someday
>> you will understand if or when your toy phone catches up. I wouldn't
>> count on it though.
>>
>>
>
> Precisely the reason why his toy iPhone will never be a "business device"
> Apple is hawking.
>

LOL @ the iPhone worshippers. Ooooh it's so much fun when you are driving
around and even when the occassional WiFi network is found it's all locked
down. So valuable. I can tell all the locked down WiFi's in the area while
i'm surfing the next at 9600 baud on the Edge network. What a treat.
Thankfully I also have a blackberry running at broadband speeds.

In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
> news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:

> > Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
> > get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
> >

> Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.

Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.

When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
unique IP address when I connect?

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
>>news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:
>
>
>>>Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than I
>>>get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>>>
>>
>
>>Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED resource.
>
>
> Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
>
> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
> days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
> the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have a
> unique IP address when I connect?
>

It's the "size of the pipe" upstream from the tower. A service called
"T1" offers 1 million bits per second, "T3" is faster still (45 million
bits/second????). These technologies are used to connect central
offices to each other. Customers with high bandwidth requirements also
use them. T1 will cost you somewhere between $500 and $800 per month
and handle something like 64 simultaneous voice calls. T3 is between
$4000 and $6000 per month. Fiber optic technology is also used.

Whatever the size of the pipe, you must share it with everyone else
using the tower. I suspect that each tower is limited to some modest
number of simultaneous connections. I suspect that by doubling up on
equipment each physical tower can act as two towers.

EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in news:frobqp$q$1@reader2.panix.com:

> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the
> old days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked
> up at the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do
> I have a unique IP address when I connect?
>
>

The hackers have an IP grabber software that runs in my N800 tablet. That
software always reports a PPP connection on my Alltel tethered link, with
the correct IP assigned for the call from Alltel, so I assume the Sellular
link is PPP, at least on EVDO. The phone reports "Packet data" and
"DORMANT" like a PPP connection is. I doubt there's a reachable limit of
connections. I do have a dynamic assigned IP the software reports that
works fine with "Peekaboo", an application to turn the N800 tablet into an
html-addressable webcam. Too bad the IP changes with every connection for
Peekaboo as you have to tell your "audience" what your new html address is
to see through the cam. It handles 4 or 5 simultaneous html connects just
fine before it starts slowing down on EVDO. If someone wants to see
something while I'm talking to them on Skype or the Sellphone, I'll pop out
the cam and boot Peekaboo to show it to them....in realtime, 640x480 color
and audio....(c;

wrote in alt.cellular.verizon

> In alt.cellular.verizon Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>> EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote in
>> news:frlm5n$fuk$2@reader2.panix.com:
>
>> > Is that true? I noticed that I got MUCH faster EVDO in Vermont than
>> > I get in Boston. Is the reason that there is more bandwidth/user?
>> >
>
>> Sure. Sellphone bandwidth, just like cable bandwidth is a SHARED
>> resource.
>
> Ah. I suspected that, but I don't really know how it works.
>
> When I connect, are there a limited number of slots open? Like the old
> days of dialup, when only x number of physical modems were hooked up at
> the ISP's digs? Does the system use someting simiar to NAT? Do I have
> a unique IP address when I connect?

CDMA does not use slots per say, but when the cell towers start to reach
saturation the data will slow. GSM uses slots, the way you are thinking.
But, as I said, there is a limit on the amount of information being
passed in and out of the towers, whether it is data or voice. And yes,
for this reason you can get faster speeds in the country. On the other
hand if you were to look at a map of cell towers in a large city vs the
country you would see an amazing difference in the number of towers. I know
ATT's map of Manhattan looks the entire island is built of nothing but
their towers.
The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
and after a point the speed degrades.


--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Dick C wrote:

> The down side of getting data away from the city becomes a matter of
> signal strength. The farther away from a tower the lower the signal
> and after a point the speed degrades.

I was in Taipei last week. The coverage was incredibly good, both on
CDMA and GSM, both in the city and out in the mountains (where I
expected poor coverage based on the U.S. model of rural coverage). Since
all the carriers are island-wide, there are no "rural" carriers to pawn
off the hard to cover areas on.

The only problem was that it was incredibly hard to actually make or
receive a call at the trade show on my GSM phone with a prepaid SIM
card. My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
held there. It's rather sad that the carriers couldn't address the
capacity issue with more cells, but maybe they were already at the limit
for the area. How close together can the GSM cells be, and how many can
be in a small area to improve capacity?

The CDMA phone worked fine, but I wasn't willing to make many
$1.49/minute calls roaming with my Verizon phone! I'm sure the reason
that CDMA worked is because CDMA is pretty new in Taiwan and there
aren't a lot of subscribers on the CDMA system yet. I just noticed that
Verizon has lowered the roaming rate in Taiwan to $1.29/minute, but this
is still pretty outrageous.

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in news:47e4088a$0$36392
$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> My friend in Taiwan warned me that he wouldn't be able to call me,
> and that I would have trouble using my phone, so I called him from one
> of the two pay phones in the entire convention center that took coins.
> This is a brand new convention center, and this was the first trade show
> held there.

Did you test the availability of wifi at the new convention center? Sounds
like a great place to use Skype or some VoIP if there's broadband
inside....and in Taiwan I bet there was plenty to use.