Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
using any analog signal. Is this true?
The FCC website in indicating Feb. 08 as a cutoff day for the analog
signal..
Ernest
Disheartened Verizon Customer
"S.G." <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote in message
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> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
> using any analog signal. Is this true?
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:12:05 -0700, S.G. <sg@nomailhere.com>
wrote:
>Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>using any analog signal. Is this true?
I heard that, too. All new phones are/will be digital.
>
>>Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>>phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>>an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>>and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>>using any analog signal. Is this true?
>
> I heard that, too. All new phones are/will be digital.
So did I. I wonder if that's going to be a good thing for us?
>
>
Not to parse words, but does it indicate that analog will be cut off Feb
8th, or that analog will not be mandated after Feb 8th?
Dean
"me" <hamradiooperator1967@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> The FCC website in indicating Feb. 08 as a cutoff day for the analog
> signal..
>
> Ernest
> Disheartened Verizon Customer
>
> "S.G." <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote in message
> news:f91uf35e43sjrcdn25qu761jg9cple36o7@4ax.com...
>> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>> using any analog signal. Is this true?
>
>
At 30 Sep 2007 02:09:35 -0400 Dean wrote:
> Not to parse words, but does it indicate that analog will be cut
off Feb
> 8th, or that analog will not be mandated after Feb 8th?
Analog will no longer be mandated after Feb. 8th. Nothing forces
carriers to stop offer0ng it after that date, they just won't be
required to support it.
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
me wrote:
> The FCC website in indicating Feb. 08 as a cutoff day for the analog
> signal..
Analog is _permitted_ to be turned off then. It will continue to operate
in vast areas of the country where there is no other network. I guess
Verizon and AT&T will turn off their analog then, at least in most areas.
It's too bad, as even in urban areas there are often green space areas
where analog is the only available network.
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in the past
2 years where I have roamed with analog.
SV
S.G. <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote:
>Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>using any analog signal. Is this true?
"me" <hamradiooperator1967@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YIqdnYCYWY2JvGLbnZ2dnUVZ_vOlnZ2d@comcast.com:
> The FCC website in indicating Feb. 08 as a cutoff day for the analog
> signal..
>
> E
Rumored, but not true. Feb 2008 is the day support for AMPS is no longer
REQUIRED, as a condition of their licenses. Carriers may use AMPS
indefinately. FCC isn't turning AMPS off, it's merely telling carriers
it is no longer a requirement for a license....
Many parts of the RURAL country will continue to use AMPS for years as
the cost of putting towers so close together for the various digital
toyphones is prohibitively expensive, and unnecessary where rural users
would much rather have a mounted carphone that always works, than a
cutesy girlyphone which only works inside little 2-mile circles around
the towers 10 miles apart. To fill in the holes would cost them 10 times
revenues, which is why AMPS is NOT beind discontinued by force, only by
choice.
Of course, as you pass through these AMPS areas, and they are huge, your
toyphone will not work well with its "city transmitter" made for areas
with intense tower density. For emergencies, it will be prudent to put
an unregistered, cigarette lighter plug-powered, ol' bagphone in the
trunk set to roam on both A and B. It'll still get help in the boondocks
from companies who work the countryside, like Alltel, who tell me they'll
not put up more AMPS service, but will still have the existing system on
the air as it still makes money.....in the country.
Notice what Onstar is telling their customers:
"OnStar service will be available to vehicles with dual-mode
(analog/digital) equipment after January 1, 2008. If you currently have
analog/digital-ready equipment and your vehicle manufacturer is offering
an equipment upgrade for your vehicle, it will need to be upgraded to
dual-mode (analog/digital) equipment to continue service as of January 1,
2008. (Refer to Question #7 for additional information.) If your vehicle
has analog-only equipment, you will not be able to upgrade the equipment
nor will your vehicle be able to receive OnStar service, including Hands-
Free Calling, as of January 1, 2008. (Refer to question #2 to determine
which type of equipment was factory-installed in your vehicle.)"
Notice it doesn't say Digital Only. There's a reason for it. Onstar
wants smooth service in the country.
The alarm/security industry failed to stop the AMPS shutdown. They
require both voice and data reliable conditions, which AMPS has provided.
They're telling their base: http://www.csaaul.org/AICCEFlash/AICCFlashNo1Vol1.htm
Notice that existing "digital" alarm systems still use AMPS' control
channel for data, so they'll all have to be converted to GSM, which only
covers a small fraction of the country with security-system reliability.
Lots of alarm systems will be going dark that were sold on AMPS in the
past.
Your girlyphone isn't the major player in keeping AMPS on the air. Its
reliable alarm and security capabilities have been relied on for decades.
The Presidential Limo has cryptographic AMPS secure phones in it on
Verizon's AMPS system. The crypto equipment won't work over low
resolution CDMA like it does AMPS' clearer FM radio.
Larry
--
Please - Turn OFF cruise control when
you turn on windshield wipers!
Dean wrote:
> Not to parse words, but does it indicate that analog will be cut off
> Feb 8th, or that analog will not be mandated after Feb 8th?
>
> Dean
>
That happens to be an important parsing. Thanks for helping to clear that
up!
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:45 -0400, Stevey <svdec@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in the past
>2 years where I have roamed with analog.
>
>SV
>
Same here. The few times I can't find a signal I plug in my 3 watt
amplifier & that does the trick........most of the time.
>S.G. <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote:
>
>>Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>>phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>>an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>>and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>>using any analog signal. Is this true?
Roughrider50 wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:45 -0400, Stevey <svdec@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in the
>> past 2 years where I have roamed with analog.
>>
>> SV
>>
>
> Same here. The few times I can't find a signal I plug in my 3 watt
> amplifier & that does the trick........most of the time.
>
>
No offense, but that doesn't make that much sense. Being unable to "find a
signal" is receiver-related. Plugging in your 3 watt amplifier is
transmitter-related. It doesn'tmatter how much power you're pumping out if
you can't "hear" the cell.
S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
> using any analog signal. Is this true?
Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
only phones!
tavenger5 wrote:
> S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
>> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>> using any analog signal. Is this true?
> Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
> only phones!
>
>
I have an old 3 watt bag phone. We take it on motor trips in case we are
out in the boonies and have an emergency. 911 will always work. So far
we have not had to use it. I guess it's good travel insurance <g>
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life
Janet Wilder;1208138 Wrote:
> tavenger5 wrote:
> > S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
> >> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
> >> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
> >> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
> >> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
> >> using any analog signal. Is this true?
> > Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
> > only phones!
> >
> >
> I have an old 3 watt bag phone. We take it on motor trips in case we
> are
> out in the boonies and have an emergency. 911 will always work. So far
> we have not had to use it. I guess it's good travel insurance <g>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life
Wow. I remember those! So that phone works, but your regular cell
phones do not?
They have been great 911 only phones to have in the car trunk and other
strategic places.
"tavenger5" <tavenger5.2xsvs5@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in message
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>
> S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
>> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>> using any analog signal. Is this true?
> Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
> only phones!
>
>
> --
> tavenger5
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Ah, but if the site could not hear him, then it makes perfect sense.
I think there is some handshaking between the cell site and the phone before
it shows a signal level. It is not like an analog meter on a shortwave
radio.
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
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> Roughrider50 wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:45 -0400, Stevey <svdec@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in the
>>> past 2 years where I have roamed with analog.
>>>
>>> SV
>>>
>>
>> Same here. The few times I can't find a signal I plug in my 3 watt
>> amplifier & that does the trick........most of the time.
>>
>>
> No offense, but that doesn't make that much sense. Being unable to "find a
> signal" is receiver-related. Plugging in your 3 watt amplifier is
> transmitter-related. It doesn'tmatter how much power you're pumping out
> if you can't "hear" the cell.
>
I don't have an analog only phone, but I do have a tri-mode. In
Oregon along I-5 south of Salem, intermittently to the border with
California, around Bend, along Hwy 20 to the border with Idaho, and
many spots along the coastline there are lots of spots that are analog
only. I can't imagine that there aren't other places like these
around the nation.
On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:39:33 -0500, tavenger5
<tavenger5.2xsvs5@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>
>S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
>> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>> using any analog signal. Is this true?
>Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
>only phones!
Cubit wrote:
> Ah, but if the site could not hear him, then it makes perfect sense.
>
> I think there is some handshaking between the cell site and the phone
> before it shows a signal level. It is not like an analog meter on a
> shortwave radio.
>
I'd like to see more info on that. You are right in one regard: I tend to
view the "bars" on a cell phone in the same way that I looked at my S-meter
on my SW radio and ham rig when I was active in those hobbies. While I can
buy into your "handshaking" theory to some extent, I'd be surprised if a
user with a 3 watt cell phone gets more bars than one with the standard
600mW handheld. There is, I'm sure you'll agree, a limit to the range of the
cell's transmitter at some point no matter which way you look at it.
>
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
> news:4B8Mi.1996$hP.756@newsfe12.lga...
>> Roughrider50 wrote:
>>> On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:46:45 -0400, Stevey <svdec@bellsouth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in the
>>>> past 2 years where I have roamed with analog.
>>>>
>>>> SV
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same here. The few times I can't find a signal I plug in my 3 watt
>>> amplifier & that does the trick........most of the time.
>>>
>>>
>> No offense, but that doesn't make that much sense. Being unable to
>> "find a signal" is receiver-related. Plugging in your 3 watt
>> amplifier is transmitter-related. It doesn'tmatter how much power
>> you're pumping out if you can't "hear" the cell.
I thought one of the modes in a tri-mode phone was analog.
"S.G." <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote in message
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>I don't have an analog only phone, but I do have a tri-mode. In
> Oregon along I-5 south of Salem, intermittently to the border with
> California, around Bend, along Hwy 20 to the border with Idaho, and
> many spots along the coastline there are lots of spots that are analog
> only. I can't imagine that there aren't other places like these
> around the nation.
>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:39:33 -0500, tavenger5
> <tavenger5.2xsvs5@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>S.G.;1207817 Wrote:
>>> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
>>> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
>>> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
>>> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
>>> using any analog signal. Is this true?
>>Well, I really hope there aren't still people out there with analog
>>only phones!
"S.G." <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote in message news:cu06g3tcg23o2mblmt10t3f23sgn2loihp@4ax.com...
>I don't have an analog only phone, but I do have a tri-mode. In
> Oregon along I-5 south of Salem, intermittently to the border with
> California, around Bend, along Hwy 20 to the border with Idaho, and
> many spots along the coastline there are lots of spots that are analog
> only. I can't imagine that there aren't other places like these
> around the nation.
>
Of course there are such places. And in some non-trivial areas, as well.
Snowshoe, West Virginia is one of the top ski resorts in the southeast,
but there is no digital coverage there, only analog.
Tri-mode phones are not yet obsolete.
> >Tri-mode phones are not yet obsolete.
>
> They will be once analog service is dropped!
Why? Will the loss of analog stop the two digital bands in a tri-
mode from working as well?
--
"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003
> At 04 Oct 2007 07:57:38 -0700 Pegleg wrote:
>
>> >Tri-mode phones are not yet obsolete.
>>
>> They will be once analog service is dropped!
>
>
> Why? Will the loss of analog stop the two digital bands in a tri-
> mode from working as well?
No, but it means that the folks who are stuck with the paltry few
choices available for tri-mode phones will be free to shop elsewhere.
It may also mean that folks who stuck with some carriers only because
they offered analog service in the wilderness will start to shop
around for better deals from other carriers.
they said they will "decommission" all analog on all of their cell sites "on
or shortly after February 18, 2008."
While Verizon employees may not know it, some of their current phones still
have analog capability. I, too, was a big advocate for "tri-mode" phones
until about a year ago when Verizon filled in most areas where I once found
analog, with new digital sites. This includes some areas where analog was
supplied by other carriers.
"Dean" <dean173@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Not to parse words, but does it indicate that analog will be cut off Feb
> 8th, or that analog will not be mandated after Feb 8th?
>
> Dean
xs11e@mailinator.com (XS11E) wrote in
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> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
>
>> It also means that folks that only have analog service now will
>> have no service!
>>
>> Major mistake from my view!
>
> As is customary, the government didn't ask us. :-(
Since you don't buy your service from the government, you should
really be talking to the people who are actually making the decision.
Verizon will turn it off on Feb 18, 2008 according to the letters that I got
telling me that my analog phones will be terminated as of that date. I
still have some fixed mount analog only phones in service trucks. The will
be turned off as of that date and analog service will be terminated. I have
that in writing, so it should be solid.
"S.G." <sg@nomailhere.com> wrote in message
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> Went to the Verizon store today to look at the selection of new
> phones. One of the questions I asked was which of them could handle
> an analog signal. To my surprise, the salesperson said that none --
> and that starting on Jan 1, 2008, Verizon itself would no longer be
> using any analog signal. Is this true?
> xs11e@mailinator.com (XS11E) wrote in
> news:Xns99BF78866E4FFxs11emailinatorcom@69.28.173. 184:
>
>> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
>>
>>> It also means that folks that only have analog service now will
>>> have no service!
>>>
>>> Major mistake from my view!
>>
>> As is customary, the government didn't ask us. :-(
>
> Since you don't buy your service from the government, you should
> really be talking to the people who are actually making the decision.
The decision was made by the FCC, if that's not government I don't know
who is?
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