It seems like verizon is at the verge of becoming extinct...

I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
incidence? Possibly.
All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
strange.
Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
position with verizon wireless.
In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
the world including Europe.
Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
practices.

That's funny... I added 2 phones to a plan this Christmas.
Changed some things around. Quick show of my DL to
show I was actually me - and all was good.

Me thinks that you have a flair for the dramatic.

<leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
> Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
> their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
> had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
> A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
> the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
> them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
> service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
> were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
> office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
> Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
> chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
> same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
> incidence? Possibly.
> All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
> outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
> wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
> strange.
> Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> position with verizon wireless.
> In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
> They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
> feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> the world including Europe.
> Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
> getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> practices.

<leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
> Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
> their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
> had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
> A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
> the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
> them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
> service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
> were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
> office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
> Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
> chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
> same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
> incidence? Possibly.
> All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
> outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
> wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
> strange.
> Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> position with verizon wireless.
> In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
> They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
> feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> the world including Europe.
> Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
> getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> practices.


You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?

I added two phones by using the Vz internet website several months ago. The
computer didn't ask for a driver's license number.

My home phone got annoyance calls that hung up at night for a while. AT&T
traced the calls and sent a warning letter to the user. The calls stopped.

Maybe the mother-in-law loaned her phone to teenager in the family?


<leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
> Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
> their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
> had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
> A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
> the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
> them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
> service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
> were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
> office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
> Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
> chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
> same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
> incidence? Possibly.
> All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
> outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
> wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
> strange.
> Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> position with verizon wireless.
> In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
> They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
> feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> the world including Europe.
> Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
> getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> practices.

> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?
>

LOL I always laugh at people who get upset enough to post something like
that when someone else announces they're going to take their business
elsewhere.

> >Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> >practices.
>
> They have the best coverage!

It's true. That's all they have that the others don't. Which is why I've
been with them for 8 years. But once my current phone craps out I'm going
with AT&T.

Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:59:14 -0800, "Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> >Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird
>>> >"business" practices.
>>>
>>> They have the best coverage!
>>
>>It's true. That's all they have that the others don't. Which is
>>why I've been with them for 8 years. But once my current phone
>>craps out I'm going with AT&T.
>>
> Out of curiosity why give up the best service?

For the very worst?

--
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"Slippy" <asdf@rasfdf.com> wrote in message
news:Ggdnj.39630$R92.18452@newsfe16.phx...
>> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?
>>
>
> LOL I always laugh at people who get upset enough to post something like
> that when someone else announces they're going to take their business
> elsewhere.
>
>I laugh at people who bite off their noses to spite their faces. I'm with
>VZW for the excellent coverage, its a phone, remember? At the end of the
>day, I'm sure ATT or any other big carrier will treat you equally bad

On Jan 27, 8:23*pm, "Ness-Net" <no.rich...@damnspam.nessnet.com>
wrote:
> That's funny... I added 2 phones to a plan this Christmas.
> Changed some things around. Quick show of my DL to
> show I was actually me - and all was good.
>
> Me thinks that you have a flair for the dramatic.
>
> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
> > Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
> > their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
> > had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
> > A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
> > the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
> > them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
> > service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
> > were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
> > office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
> > Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
> > chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
> > same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
> > incidence? Possibly.
> > All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
> > outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
> > wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
> > strange.
> > Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> > miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> > security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> > with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> > few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> > position with verizon wireless.
> > In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> > my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
> > They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> > sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
> > feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> > verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> > card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> > the world including Europe.
> > Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> > wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> > for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> > contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
> > getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> > everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> > loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
> > Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> > practices.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Like I said, when I added a line in July it went smoothly with no
headaches but now it's different. And that's exactly what bothers me -
they make you share every bit of personal information, and then are
unable to locate/verify it. Why exactly should we trust them???

On Jan 27, 8:39*pm, "RBM" <r...@noemail.com> wrote:
> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've been with them for well over ten years - they inherited me from
> > Cellular One in pre-historic time - and generally was satisfied with
> > their quite expensive, let's face it, service. It's not that I haven't
> > had my share of bad experiences with verizon.
> > A few years back I started getting a huge number of dropped calls at
> > the end of my billing cycle. I mean every month. Finally, I called
> > them, and after long negotiations with their puppets aka "customer
> > service" was allowed to talk to security department, and even they (!)
> > were unable to trace those calls. I ended up getting to the ceo's
> > office, and then... calls stopped. Imagine that kind of co-incidence!
> > Just a couple of months ago, I got a text message advertising some
> > chinese porn site. The very same day, a friend of mine received the
> > same message. I raised hell, and it never happened again. Co-
> > incidence? Possibly.
> > All of a sudden, I noticed that my bill included charges for a few
> > outgoing text messages from my mother-in-law's phone. Considering that
> > wouldn't know a text message if it bit her in the ass that was quite
> > strange.
> > Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> > miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> > security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> > with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> > few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> > position with verizon wireless.
> > In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> > my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
> > They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> > sell my info to the highest bidder including but not limited to the
> > feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> > verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> > card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> > the world including Europe.
> > Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> > wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> > for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> > contract providers upon their expiration. Do I need to mention that
> > getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> > everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> > loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
> > Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> > practices.
>
> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

One at a time, one at a time...

On Jan 27, 9:12*pm, Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:34:04 -0800 (PST), "leoru...@gmail.com"
>
> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Today, I attempted to activate a new line for my son, and... failed
> >miserably. These a-holes wanted my driver's license number, social
> >security number not to mention things like my son's age. What's wrong
> >with this picture - I was able to do the same thing for my wife just a
> >few months ago, and they didn't assume I was applying for a driver's
> >position with verizon wireless.
> >In any case, after today's experience, I am starting to phase out all
> >my accounts with them starting with my own that will expire in July.
>
> Certainly your option! *Requesting your social security number is
> regular practice for many service companies now!
>
> >They claim that all this crap is for my protection, and obviously they
> >sell my info to the highest bidder
>
> Please site your source for this statement.
>
> >ncluding but not limited to the
> >feds to protect me! On top of that, I'm thinking that being married to
> >verizon is not the best option anymore - all other providers have SIM
> >card-based system so the phones are universal and can be used all over
> >the world including Europe.
> >Google is bidding on the air frequency, and will start their own
> >wireless service within a couple of years, and that's what I'm waiting
> >for. In the meantime, I'm planning to switch my accounts to no-
> >contract providers upon their expiration.
>
> If you are that disgruntled terminate your contract!
>
> > Do I need to mention that
> >getting rid of verizon's stock should be the first thing to do for
> >everyone who owns it - a company that refuses to sell service to their
> >loyal customers has neither future not the right to exist.
>
> That is just an irrational statement!
>
> >Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> >practices.
>
> They have the best coverage!

You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
with our personal information?!?

Slippy wrote:
>>> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
>>> practices.
>> They have the best coverage!
>
> It's true. That's all they have that the others don't. Which is why I've
> been with them for 8 years. But once my current phone craps out I'm going
> with AT&T.
>
>
Welcome to the new world of no privacy. You will be quite surprised to
find that you will get the same anal probe from AT&T.

On Jan 27, 10:59*pm, "Slippy" <a...@rasfdf.com> wrote:
> > >Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
> > >practices.
>
> > They have the best coverage!
>
> It's true. *That's all they have that the others don't. *Which is why I've
> been with them for 8 years. *But once my current phone craps out I'm going
> with AT&T.

I most certainly wouldn't go with at&t because they are basically the
same crooks. More than that - when my son was leaving for his first
tour in Iraq at&t charged him cancellation fee even though - as we
learned later - they have an agreement with the government to postpone
gis' accounts in case of deployment. I'm planning to either stay with
verizon without contract or - if the phone dies - go with a no-
contract provider until Google enters the market. At least it [Google]
is run by intellectuals, not corporate racketeers!

On Jan 28, 1:16*am, XS11E <xs...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:59:14 -0800, "Slippy" <a...@rasfdf.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> >Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird
> >>> >"business" practices.
>
> >>> They have the best coverage!
>
> >>It's true. *That's all they have that the others don't. *Which is
> >>why I've been with them for 8 years. *But once my current phone
> >>craps out I'm going with AT&T.
>
> > Out of curiosity why give up the best service?
>
> For the very worst?
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org

As always, they make us "choose" between warm sh!t and cold sh!t so
ultimately it's a matter of preference. I personally despise both but
at&t is still a champ.

Ness-Net wrote:
> That's funny... I added 2 phones to a plan this Christmas.
> Changed some things around. Quick show of my DL to
> show I was actually me - and all was good.
>
> Me thinks that you have a flair for the dramatic.
>
I understand his point about the new line. He is an existing customer
and they made him show his national ID card (what a driver's license is)
to complete the transaction. They did the same thing to me sometime last
year in a store. Even though I have a large multi line account that is
always paid on time they insulted me by requiring my national ID card to
complete the transaction.

And I had a similar experience at a local bank. They know me and I
closed an account that had been there for years. First thing she asked
for was my national ID card and when I asked why she said the gov't
requires that information even to close an account.

"leoruss7@gmail.com" <leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in news:c171fe94-f833-
4397-9918-9219cb879897@v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> Like I said, when I added a line in July it went smoothly with no
> headaches but now it's different. And that's exactly what bothers me -
> they make you share every bit of personal information, and then are
> unable to locate/verify it. Why exactly should we trust them???
>
>

Do you guys have a landline phone? Do you know where your CALL RECORDS
are stored for easy Mossad access?

"THE COMVERSE CONNECTION
http://www.mediamonitors.net/justin18.html

The third part of the Fox series shows how the Israelis had access, not
only to phone records, but also to the wiretaps being conducted by US
law enforcement agencies. This access could have easily been provided,
Cameron points out, by yet another hi-tech Israeli communications
company, Comverse, which operates as practically a branch of the Israeli
government, and enjoys near monopolistic status here in the US.

When you place a call, it goes through a complicated network of routers
and switchers. The way wiretapping works is that customized computers
are linked to that network via specialized software, and the system
intercepts, records, and stores wiretapped calls. But this system has a
"back door" that could have easily been opened by Israeli intelligence.
Comverse maintains a link to the wiretapping computers, on the grounds
that it is necessary for system "maintenance." Over the opposition of
some patriotic law enforcement officers, this process was authorized by
the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA). But
that wasn't the end of it. According to Fox News,

"Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller were
both warned Oct. 18 in a hand-delivered letter from 15 local, state and
federal law enforcement officials, who complained that 'law
enforcement's current electronic surveillance capabilities are less
effective today than they were at the time CALEA was enacted.'"

ASHCROFT'S COMPLICITY

But Ashcroft is too busy rounding up Arabs and closing down their
organizations to worry about the wholesale penetration of our
communications system – including "secure" networks at the White House,
the Defense Department, and elsewhere – by our wonderful allies, the
Israelis. Cameron cites several unnamed law enforcement agents –
concerned about the ominous implications of the Israeli penetration in
light of 9/11 – who say that even raising the issue is "career suicide."

I HOPE YOU'RE SITTING DOWN

Okay, so the Israelis have the phone lines over at the White House, the
Defense Department, the Justice Department, and, for all we know, your
local dogcatcher's office bugged to the max. So they have the capability
to know where and when practically every phone call in the US, and large
sections of the rest of the world, is made, and to whom. As fantastic as
it sounds, given the advance of technology and the reputation of the
Mossad, I'm willing to believe it. What's really alarming, however, is
that, as Cameron reports:

"On a number of cases, suspects that they had sought to wiretap and
survey immediately changed their telecommunications processes. They
started acting much differently as soon as those supposedly secret
wiretaps went into place."

BEYOND THE BEGUINE

The implications of this stunning news go far beyond my original
contention: that the Israelis had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks and
simply failed to let us know the details. For it all depends on the
intended target of the wiretaps: was it the Israelis, or Bin Laden's
agents? If the former were acting differently after wiretaps were put in
place, it means only that the Israelis were using their sources and
methods to protect their own: if the latter, it means the Israelis were
using their sources and methods to protect the Bin Ladenites. That is a
possibility no one – including me – wants to contemplate, and, in all
truthfulness, I must confess I cannot believe it. I am forced to
concede, however, that, given what we now know, it is possible. Until
and unless the government comes clean, we won't know for sure.

INVESTIGATE THE ISRAELI CONNECTION

At the end of his second report, Carl Cameron remarked to Brit Hume that
the question of the Israeli connection to 9/11 "came up in the select
intelligence committee on Capitol Hill today," and "they intend to look
into what we reported last night." Naturally, all this is occurring in
secret, with the likelihood of a cover-up all but certain. What is
needed is a public investigation, and full disclosure of the Israeli
role, if any, in 9/11."

You're right....Who SHOULD we trust with our phone calls?.....

"leoruss7@gmail.com" <leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in news:92ffffd9-bbb4-4ddf-
8011-7ec0594a0f78@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
> First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
> and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
> none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
> somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
> an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
> mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
> miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
> with our personal information?!?
>

I've been thinking about your post.....

All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.
They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. How do
THEY get Sellphones?

Slippy wrote:
>> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?
>>
>
> LOL I always laugh at people who get upset enough to post something
> like that when someone else announces they're going to take their
> business elsewhere.
>
Sorry, Slippy, I think his remark carries more weight than yours. There is a
huge tendency, imho, for some people to inappropriately overreact as
consumers. There is also a great deal of unwarranted paranoia indicated and
a lot of unnecessary whining.

On Jan 28, 11:40*am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "leoru...@gmail.com" <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in news:92ffffd9-bbb4-4ddf-
> 8011-7ec0594a0...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
> > First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
> > and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
> > none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
> > somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
> > an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
> > mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
> > miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
> > with our personal information?!?
>
> I've been thinking about your post.....
>
> All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.*
> They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. *How do
> THEY get Sellphones?

So you finally managed to notice some inconsistency, haven't you?
Congratulations!

On Jan 28, 12:40 pm, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
> "leoru...@gmail.com" <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in news:92ffffd9-bbb4-4ddf-
> 8011-7ec0594a0...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
> > First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
> > and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
> > none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
> > somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
> > an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
> > mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
> > miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
> > with our personal information?!?
>
> I've been thinking about your post.....
>
> All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.
> They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. How do
> THEY get Sellphones?

You poor people have nothing else to complain about so you cry all day
long about security issues. I have grown to understand that most
people that gripe about every single iota in life are simply the ones
that don't know or own anything of any value. LOL

leoruss7@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 27, 8:39 pm, "RBM" <r...@noemail.com> wrote:
>> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
>>> practices.
>>
>> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> One at a time, one at a time...
>
There's a tendency to think that what we read here on a newsgroup reflects
reality. It often doesn't. I too am disgruntled with Verizon and have
expressed it to them in a couple of ways, including dropping their landline
service in favor of cable and refusing to renew my cell contract, going
instead month-to-month. But I'm not self-important enough to think that my
experiences with them are unmatched by someone else's negative experiences
at AT&T or T-Mobile.

On Jan 28, 10:51*am, Pegleg <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:15:12 -0800 (PST), "leoru...@gmail.com"
>
> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
> >First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
> >and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
> >none of their goddamn business.
>
> If you really believe that your SSAN is between you and the govt (and
> specifically the Social Security Administration) you are in lala land my
> friend! *Your State/doctor/bank/utility company/investment
> company/etc./etc. have that number!
>
> I think your tinfoil hat is on a little crooked my friend!
>
> -
>
> Pegleg
> U.S. Navy Retired
> Support Our Troops,
> Question The Policy!
>
> All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words:
> freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope.
> * * * * * Sir Winston Churchill

In other words, the fact that something is not right somehow makes it
right? Hopefully, they did not trust you with deadly weapons because
basic intelligence and ability to apply laws of logic should be
required for potentially dangerous [to others] occupations.
Well, since you are retired, all these hazards are in the past.

On Jan 28, 11:42*am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Slippy wrote:
> >> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?
>
> > LOL I always laugh at people who get upset enough to post something
> > like that when someone else announces they're going to take their
> > business elsewhere.
>
> Sorry, Slippy, I think his remark carries more weight than yours. There isa
> huge tendency, imho, for some people to inappropriately overreact as
> consumers. There is also a great deal of unwarranted paranoia indicated and
> a lot of unnecessary whining.

Did it ever occur to you that much of "identity theft" problem has
been created BY all kinds of verizons. It's a rhetoric question but
still...
Have you ever heard of multiple cases of data being stolen from
various corporations? Or data being shared by various corporations?
Or maybe you just enjoy being screwed? That's OK too...

On Jan 28, 12:21*pm, sanchezkk <sanche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 12:40 pm, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "leoru...@gmail.com" <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in news:92ffffd9-bbb4-4ddf-
> > 8011-7ec0594a0...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
> > > First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
> > > and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
> > > none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
> > > somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
> > > an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
> > > mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
> > > miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
> > > with our personal information?!?
>
> > I've been thinking about your post.....
>
> > All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.
> > They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. *How do
> > THEY get Sellphones?
>
> You poor people have nothing else to complain about so you cry all day
> long about security issues. *I have grown to understand that most
> people that gripe about every single iota in life are simply the ones
> that don't know or own anything of any value. *LOL- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"The one who's not bitching is worthless."
A. and B. Strugatski

"leoruss7@gmail.com" <leoruss7@gmail.com> wrote in news:d2ae2bfb-dc0d-4d17-
ad4c-05401633f1f4@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> In other words, the fact that something is not right somehow makes it
> right? Hopefully, they did not trust you with deadly weapons because
> basic intelligence and ability to apply laws of logic should be
> required for potentially dangerous [to others] occupations.
> Well, since you are retired, all these hazards are in the past.
>
>

The Navy let him stay 20+ years because he follows orders without
questioning and attacks anyone who did as a Naval heretic.

He was a great sailor, just the kind the Navy is always looking for!

NEVER question authority, no matter how stupid they are.

Carl wrote:
> Slippy wrote:
>>> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?
>>>
>> LOL I always laugh at people who get upset enough to post something
>> like that when someone else announces they're going to take their
>> business elsewhere.
>>
> Sorry, Slippy, I think his remark carries more weight than yours. There is a
> huge tendency, imho, for some people to inappropriately overreact as
> consumers. There is also a great deal of unwarranted paranoia indicated and
> a lot of unnecessary whining.
>
>
Sounds like you must know larry ellison (Oracle). I remember being at an
event where he gave the keynote and he basically declared "get over it,
no one is entitled to any privacy..."

leoruss7@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 28, 11:40 am, larry <no...@home.com> wrote:
>> "leoru...@gmail.com" <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in news:92ffffd9-bbb4-4ddf-
>> 8011-7ec0594a0...@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> You missed the point. Actually, more than one.
>>> First, "Social Security Number" is something that exists between me
>>> and the Federal Government (SOCIAL SECURITY Administration), and is
>>> none of their goddamn business. Second, they had it allright but
>>> somehow managed to misplace it. I do understand that there always is
>>> an option to sell info, allow it to get stolen, or otherwise
>>> mismanage, and still retain it for your own use. But they have
>>> miserably failed even at that! Again, how can we trust these idiots
>>> with our personal information?!?
>> I've been thinking about your post.....
>>
>> All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.
>> They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. How do
>> THEY get Sellphones?
>
> So you finally managed to notice some inconsistency, haven't you?
> Congratulations!

I doubt there is any because it is quite likely they went down to the
big box mart and paid cash for a prepaid phone.

On 2008-01-28, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> All my illegal Mexican neighbors have SELLphones from different companies.
> They don't have Socialist Security cards, or driver's licenses. How do
> THEY get Sellphones?

They probably at least have Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers
(looks just like an SSN except with a 9 as the first digit and a 7 or 8
as the fourth). Even non-resident aliens sometimes have to pay US taxes,
so they need numbers to fit in the spaces on the return. Maybe the phone
company will take an ITIN as well.

Dennis Ferguson

That's the point, in a nutshell. I too, am constantly bitchen about things
Verizon does, and I too replaced their landline with cable, but at the end
of the day, I want what's going to work best for me, and it happens to be
VZW, even with all their BS, and I doubt very much that any other carrier is
a panacea



"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote in message
news:479e1dca$0$6344$607ed4bc@cv.net...
> leoruss7@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 8:39 pm, "RBM" <r...@noemail.com> wrote:
>>> <leoru...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:e99c9a86-d356-417e-a1e1-246cdfc7a1eb@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wonder what people think about verizon and it's weird "business"
>>>> practices.
>>>
>>> You figure losing you as a customer will really hobble em, eh?- Hide
>>> quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> One at a time, one at a time...
>>
> There's a tendency to think that what we read here on a newsgroup reflects
> reality. It often doesn't. I too am disgruntled with Verizon and have
> expressed it to them in a couple of ways, including dropping their
> landline service in favor of cable and refusing to renew my cell contract,
> going instead month-to-month. But I'm not self-important enough to think
> that my experiences with them are unmatched by someone else's negative
> experiences at AT&T or T-Mobile.
>
>
>

"larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message news:Xns9A33827E1A4Cnoonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
>
> Do you guys have a landline phone? Do you know where your CALL RECORDS
> are stored for easy Mossad access?
>

From the same guy who disputes the moon landing...

From the same guy who thinks **we** (or the Jews) blew up the WTC / Pentagon.

Proven anti-Semite

You be the judge of just how believable Larry should be. (or how nuts he is)