Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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Larry entered:
> "Ness_net" <richard@nomore.damn.spam.nessnet.com> wrote in
> news:x9ydnRW4JcMg1mrYnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d@giganews.com :
>
>> With CDMA distance is adjustable to help optimize the system.
>
> With CDMA, distance is adjustable to help optimize the profits.
>
> There. That's more correct.
>
> Larry
Optimized system = optimized profits.
You don't make any money on calls not made.
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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Larry entered:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnevdr3m.8c.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> Dennis Ferguson
>>
>
> The magic didn't work, yesterday. My new Moto M800 1/4 watt bagphone
> sucked in the forest by itself. I'm returning it to Alltel today.
>
> It's crowning glory is its wonderful speakerphone you can actually
> hear as well as its ringer. But, alas, a 1/4 watt CDMA phone
> (actually, I'm convinced from all its exactly similar commands, a
> V60i in a big box, isn't worth the hassle of carrying this beast
> around and constantly plugging it in because it's such a power hog.
> The audio amp must be running class A to suck up the big battery so
> fast, as well as leaving the lights on all the time. Stupid, Moto,
> stupid.
>
> Back she goes, CDMA magic or no CDMA magic.
>
> Question for you CDMA experts.....
> If CDMA is such cellular magic, why is only 3 companies in the USA
> using it....and the rest of the civilized world using GSM?? There's
> no CDMA I know of in Europe, at all.
>
> Maybe the Illuminati of the New World Order can set a worldwide
> cellular standard so your phone works anywhere, any time, when the
> Freemasons take over.
>
> Larry
GSM, which uses a time domain protocl, is being replaced by UMTS which uses
a spread spectrum signal aka CDMA.
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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> On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "John R. Copeland" <jcope...@columbus.rr.aol.com>
> wrote:
>> "baumgrenze" <baumgre...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1173817383.309110.60780@d57g2000hsg.go oglegroups.com...
>
> Thanks for the advice regarding "diagnostic mode." I spent some time
> trying to learn about this. I gather that Verizon won't be helpful
> since it might suggest that I want to use the phone elsewhere. I
> gather, too, that it is important to know how to get back out of
> diagnostic mode as well as how to get in.
>
> thanks
>
> baumgrenze
>
Usually in the tool menu there is a hidden command to get into the
diagnostics. Most often you will see menu options numbered 1 to whateverr
but if you press 0 you get the diagnostic menu. Then you have a display
option. To return to normal, turn the phone off and back on. You will need
some help interpeting the numbers.
WARNING: I do not know that this will work for every phone.
Bob
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> Finding the keyboard operational
> baumgrenze entered:
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>> On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "John R. Copeland" <jcope...@columbus.rr.aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "baumgrenze" <baumgre...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:1173817383.309110.60780@d57g2000hsg.go oglegroups.com...
>>
>> Thanks for the advice regarding "diagnostic mode." I spent some time
>> trying to learn about this. I gather that Verizon won't be helpful
>> since it might suggest that I want to use the phone elsewhere. I
>> gather, too, that it is important to know how to get back out of
>> diagnostic mode as well as how to get in.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> baumgrenze
>>
> Usually in the tool menu there is a hidden command to get into the
> diagnostics. Most often you will see menu options numbered 1 to whateverr
> but if you press 0 you get the diagnostic menu. Then you have a display
> option. To return to normal, turn the phone off and back on. You will need
> some help interpeting the numbers.
> WARNING: I do not know that this will work for every phone.
> Bob
>
Some phones have that under their "Settings" menu, instead of "Tools".
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
On 2007-03-14, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> If CDMA is such cellular magic, why is only 3 companies in the USA using
> it....and the rest of the civilized world using GSM?? There's no CDMA I
> know of in Europe, at all.
UMTS, the European 3G standard, is also CDMA, though its channels are
5 MHz wide rather than 1.25 MHz. Cingular's high speed data service
is the same. There are a lot of operators in Europe running UMTS
now, some provide no GSM service at all.
GSM was the first digital standard to get written down (before TDMA,
before IS-95 CDMA), and European governments simply mandated that
all wireless companies use it. The FCC decided not to get involved
in picking a digital standard which is why the USA ended up with
several of them. Originally none of the US companies thought GSM was
a good idea for technical reasons, which is why they all originally
picked something else, but the European mandate gave the companies
doing GSM equipment development a big enough captive market that they've
apparently managed to turn that sow's ear into something approximating
a silk purse.
In Asia (also civilized, despite rumors to the contrary) there are
a number of CDMA2000 operators as well, though a lot of them seem to
be abandoning it in favor of UMTS. Everyone thinks CDMA is a good
idea now, apparently, though there are enough incompatible CDMA standards
that you still can't buy one phone which works everywhere.
I'm sorry about the M800; it seemed like such a good thing on paper.
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Larry wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnevdr3m.8c.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>
> Maybe the Illuminati of the New World Order can set a worldwide
> cellular standard so your phone works anywhere, any time, when the
> Freemasons take over.
>
I'm sure that's coming. This reminds me of an old Lois & Clark episode
where it was a capital offense not to own a phone! The villain Tempus
was using the landline phone system to subliminally control everyone.
That was in the early nineties when cellphones were rare.
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Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrnevg7i5.86.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> I'm sorry about the M800; it seemed like such a good thing on paper.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
>
Thanks, Dennis. I lost a couple of hours running back and forth. Alltel's
people, today, just took it back...cancelled my 2-year contract...and put
my V60i back on Alltel with absolutely no hassle whatsoever. Noone in the
store, of course, had any idea it was so low powered, but I'm sure the
company knows....at least I hope they know.
3 of the sales people had never seen a bagphone, so I brought an Alltel
REAL AMPS bagphone in from my car that was half the size of the M800 beast.
I carry one in every vehicle for emergency comms in the boonies. It made
me feel awful "old" these kids in the cellphone business didn't know what a
carphone or bagphone even looked like....(sigh)
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"The Other Funk" <bobbie@moondoggie.com> wrote in
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> Finding the keyboard operational
> baumgrenze entered:
>
>> On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "John R. Copeland" <jcope...@columbus.rr.aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "baumgrenze" <baumgre...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:1173817383.309110.60780@d57g2000hsg.go oglegroups.com...
>>
>> Thanks for the advice regarding "diagnostic mode." I spent some time
>> trying to learn about this. I gather that Verizon won't be helpful
>> since it might suggest that I want to use the phone elsewhere. I
>> gather, too, that it is important to know how to get back out of
>> diagnostic mode as well as how to get in.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> baumgrenze
>>
> Usually in the tool menu there is a hidden command to get into the
> diagnostics. Most often you will see menu options numbered 1 to
> whateverr but if you press 0 you get the diagnostic menu. Then you
> have a display option. To return to normal, turn the phone off and
> back on. You will need some help interpeting the numbers.
> WARNING: I do not know that this will work for every phone.
> Bob
> --
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> www.moondoggiecoffee.com
>
>
On Motorola phones, try ##DEBUG (##33284) The last 4 won't show on the
display, an indication the phone took it as a command. Press the center
menu key, then left function key under the display to toggle it on and
off. It'll stay in debug mode forever, even if you shut it off.
Larry
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Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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Larry entered:
> "SlobbyDon" <slobby_NIXSPAMdon@mail.ru> wrote in
> news:zdYJh.12734$tD2.4763 @newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> was using the landline phone system to subliminally control everyone.
>
> Do a Google search on:
>
> Verichip
>
> and be VERY afraid.....
>
> Larry
For once Larry you don't come across as a raving, nut case, lunatic. It must
be time to replace your tracking device.
Bob
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I'm back again!
I tried entering "0" on the main menu. What I see on the screen is
text reading "Service Code" and 6 question marks (??????) which
suggests I need to know what code to enter to move forward. It this
perhaps something in the Verizon software for this phone?
Sorry I'm so intermittent with my attention to this thread. Perhaps it
is related to the cell phone signal availability?
baumgrenze
On Mar 14, 3:43 am, "The Other Funk" <bob...@moondoggie.com> wrote:
> Finding the keyboard operational
> baumgrenzeentered:
>
> > On Mar 13, 3:12 pm, "John R. Copeland" <jcope...@columbus.rr.aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "baumgrenze" <baumgre...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:1173817383.309110.60780@d57g2000hsg.go oglegroups.com...
>
> > Thanks for the advice regarding "diagnostic mode." I spent some time
> > trying to learn about this. I gather that Verizon won't be helpful
> > since it might suggest that I want to use the phone elsewhere. I
> > gather, too, that it is important to know how to get back out of
> > diagnostic mode as well as how to get in.
>
> > thanks
>
> >baumgrenze
>
> Usually in the tool menu there is a hidden command to get into the
> diagnostics. Most often you will see menu options numbered 1 to whateverr
> but if you press 0 you get the diagnostic menu. Then you have a display
> option. To return to normal, turn the phone off and back on. You will need
> some help interpeting the numbers.
> WARNING: I do not know that this will work for every phone.
> Bob
> --
> --
> Coffee worth staying up for - NY Timeswww.moondoggiecoffee.com
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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baumgrenze entered:
> I'm back again!
>
> I tried entering "0" on the main menu. What I see on the screen is
> text reading "Service Code" and 6 question marks (??????) which
> suggests I need to know what code to enter to move forward. It this
> perhaps something in the Verizon software for this phone?
>
> Sorry I'm so intermittent with my attention to this thread. Perhaps it
> is related to the cell phone signal availability?
>
> baumgrenze
>
> On Mar 14, 3:43 am, "The Other Funk" <bob...@moondoggie.com> wrote:
>> Finding the keyboard operational
>> baumgrenzeentered:
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try 000000
Bob
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Every time you exit you will see the phone reboot.
There is nothing you can change that's going to make it any better. If
there were,
It would have already been done.
baumgrenze wrote:
> Thank you Bob!
>
> 000000 Worked!
>
> Here are the menu items that display:
>
> 1) Service Program 031 04252130
> 2) Field Tests
> 3) Force Mode
> 4) Force Call
> 5) Data
> 6) SMS
> 7) H/W Test
> 8) FCC Test
>
> I tried (1) and the display responded "031 04252130"
>
> When I selected "Exit" the phone rebooted.
>
> I decided it was time for more advice before I ran something I
> shouldn't.
>
> Thanks,
>
> baumgrenze
>
> On Mar 22, 7:10 am, "The Other Funk" <bob...@moondoggie.com> wrote:
>
>
>> try 000000
>> Bob
>> --
>>
>
>
>
>
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
On 2007-03-22, baumgrenze <baumgrenze@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 3) Force Mode
This one is occasionally useful, to try out the AMPS or (more often) to
keep the phone on a marginal but working CDMA signal rather than a
stronger but non-working AMPS service. Everyhing else in there does very
little which needs doing.
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
On 2007-03-23, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnf06e7l.8d.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> stronger but non-working AMPS service.
>
> Where's that?? AMPS always works better'n CDMA in South Carolina....out of
> the city.
>
> Think they're trashing it trying to get you to stop using it??
It's in Zihuatanejo, Mexico, I don't think they are organized enough
to do that.
It may be my phone. There is both AMPS and CDMA service available there,
and both of them work when the signals are strong. The problem is that
in marginal areas my phone will switch from a 1-bar CDMA signal to a 2-bar
AMPS signal, and while the 1-bar CDMA signal still works okay my phone
doesn't have enough oomph for the 2-bar AMPS tower to hear it well.
Either calls fail, or the person I call only hears static.
I used to just leave the phone set to CDMA-only, but I eventually realized
that in a lot of the small towns I was visiting on day trips there were
people using cellphones even though there was neither CDMA nor GSM service
detectable on my phones. Some places only have TDMA/AMPS service, so
AMPS is still useful even though it gets in the way when CDMA is
available.
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
On 2007-03-24, Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
> news:slrnf07vrp.6s.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
>
>> Some places only have TDMA/AMPS service, so
>> AMPS is still useful even though it gets in the way when CDMA is
>> available.
>
> How do you figure that? AMPS channels are not used for CDMA, even if there
> is no AMPS signals in the air.
That's very true, AMPS and CDMA don't interfere. My problem is that my
phone will switch from a weak but still working CDMA signal to an AMPS
signal which shows an extra bar of signal strength on the phone but which
turns out to be unuseable by my phone when you actually try to make a call.
To keep the phone on the CDMA signal I have to tell it to ignore AMPS.
Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
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baumgrenze entered:
> Thank you Bob!
>
> 000000 Worked!
>
> Here are the menu items that display:
>
> 1) Service Program 031 04252130
> 2) Field Tests
> 3) Force Mode
> 4) Force Call
> 5) Data
> 6) SMS
> 7) H/W Test
> 8) FCC Test
>
> I tried (1) and the display responded "031 04252130"
>
> When I selected "Exit" the phone rebooted.
>
> I decided it was time for more advice before I ran something I
> shouldn't.
>
> Thanks,
>
> baumgrenze
try 2. you might see something like a bunch of numbers or abbreviations and
numbers.
Stay away from numbers5 thru 7. And remember I am not responsible for what
happens to your phone. If your phone locks up, pulling the battery should
put it back to normal.
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Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrnf0b8b6.82.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> To keep the phone on the CDMA signal I have to tell it to ignore AMPS.
>
Since we started talking about AMPS on this thread, even I have become a
traitor, I'm afraid. Too many E815 users told me how great a phone it
was, so I gave up my V60i trimode with AMPS for a new E815 with all the
toys. E815 has an external antenna jack and a nice, old-fashioned 800
Mhz pull up full-sized antenna to help it get more range. My
cellantenna.com 3W power amp in the truck will help it get range. It
doesn't have AMPS in it, of course, so time will tell how it works on the
power amp in the boonies where I work. Alltel's rural CDMA is much
better than it used to be, here. I can also dial 611 on the big,
honkin' Alltel bagphone that's not registered and bullshit my way into a
call on AMPS if the E815 fails to make the trip on CDMA. I've done it
before, while reporting the dead spots to the 611 operator who will
answer the AMPS unregistered call.
I'm watching Fox News on MobilTV with Alltel Axcess TV I just bought
today. Axcess TV is $10/month but that sucks up airtime. Unlimited data
to feed Axcess TV is another $10/month, so I have 25 channels of color TV
for $20/month. Alltel doesn't force you to buy internet to get TV or XM.
The TV works really nice if there's 1-2 bars of signal....(c;
Larry
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Re: Signal Strength - Competing Cells - Constructive/Destructive Interference
Bob,
Thanks for staying 'on topic.' Perhaps the rest of this thread does
deal with my question, but how it does so is unclear to me.
baumgrenze
> try 2. you might see something like a bunch of numbers or abbreviations and
> numbers.
> Stay away from numbers5 thru 7. And remember I am not responsible for what
> happens to your phone. If your phone locks up, pulling the battery should
> put it back to normal.
>
> --
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