I have a laptop with VZw Access Manager on it, normally used with the
USB dongle thingy.
I'd like to use that with a phone on my Page Plus account.
Anybody meet with any success doing that? I currently have a LG 920
ENV2 which looks like it conceivably could but haven't been able to
figure out how.
Do any of the Kyocera models on PP's Phones page work with VZW Access
Manager?
On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:41 -0800, Eric Weaver <weav@sigma.net>
wrote:
>I have a laptop with VZw Access Manager on it, normally used with the
>USB dongle thingy.
>
>I'd like to use that with a phone on my Page Plus account.
>
>Anybody meet with any success doing that? I currently have a LG 920
>ENV2 which looks like it conceivably could but haven't been able to
>figure out how.
>
>Do any of the Kyocera models on PP's Phones page work with VZW Access
>Manager?
The only tethering I've done on PP is by using QNC (which is akin to
slow dialup) with a Kyocera 3035 phone. You might have to visit some
sort of cell phone museum to find one. I can't even find one for sale
on eBay.
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:23:33 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:41 -0800, Eric Weaver <weav@sigma.net>
> wrote:
>
>> ... Do any of the Kyocera models on PP's Phones page work with VZW Access
>>Manager?
>
> The only tethering I've done on PP is by using QNC (which is akin to
> slow dialup) with a Kyocera 3035 phone. You might have to visit some
> sort of cell phone museum to find one. I can't even find one for sale
> on eBay.
>
> http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/qcp-3035-phone/
Heh ... in *this* museum there's a Kyocera 2325 -- blue-LED face and all.
Any kin to your 3035? Capable of QNC without preliminary kludges?
If so, is it worth activating for that, despite its atrocious blue light?
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:17:48 -0500, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:23:33 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:41 -0800, Eric Weaver <weav@sigma.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Do any of the Kyocera models on PP's Phones page work with VZW Access
>>>Manager?
>>
>> The only tethering I've done on PP is by using QNC (which is akin to
>> slow dialup) with a Kyocera 3035 phone. You might have to visit some
>> sort of cell phone museum to find one. I can't even find one for sale
>> on eBay.
>>
>> http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/qcp-3035-phone/
>
>Heh ... in *this* museum there's a Kyocera 2325 -- blue-LED face and all.
>Any kin to your 3035? Capable of QNC without preliminary kludges?
>If so, is it worth activating for that, despite its atrocious blue light?
>
I'm not sure about that model, even though my daughter had one. We
never had the data cable for that phone to try it. You might want to
ping Todd Allcock, he's usually the go to guy for such matters. If it
is capable, it's definitely worth activating. QNC tethering uses NO
minutes on PP. It's literally free, although you still must add
refill PINs to keep the line current. But at least you can use the
balance for voice.
At 30 Dec 2011 22:56:44 -0500 The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:17:48 -0500, tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:23:33 -0500, The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:02:41 -0800, Eric Weaver <weav@sigma.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... Do any of the Kyocera models on PP's Phones page work with VZW
Access
> >>>Manager?
> >>
> >> The only tethering I've done on PP is by using QNC (which is akin to
> >> slow dialup) with a Kyocera 3035 phone. You might have to visit some
> >> sort of cell phone museum to find one. I can't even find one for
sale
> >> on eBay.
> >>
> >> http://www.kyocera-wireless.com/qcp-3035-phone/
> >
> >Heh ... in *this* museum there's a Kyocera 2325 -- blue-LED face and
all.
> >Any kin to your 3035? Capable of QNC without preliminary kludges?
> >If so, is it worth activating for that, despite its atrocious blue
light?
> >
>
> I'm not sure about that model, even though my daughter had one. We
> never had the data cable for that phone to try it. You might want to
> ping Todd Allcock, he's usually the go to guy for such matters. If it
> is capable, it's definitely worth activating. QNC tethering uses NO
> minutes on PP. It's literally free, although you still must add
> refill PINs to keep the line current. But at least you can use the
> balance for voice.
Sorry, my PP tethering experience is limited to smartphones. FWIW, free
QNC still works in the 30 day grace period when your balance runs out and
before PP shuts off your number.
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20:35 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 30 Dec 2011 22:56:44 -0500 The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
>>
>> ... 2325 ... my daughter had one. We
>> never had the data cable for that phone to try it. You might want to
>> ping Todd Allcock, ... QNC tethering uses NO
>> minutes on PP. ...
>
> Sorry, my PP tethering experience is limited to smartphones. FWIW, free
> QNC still works in the 30 day grace period when your balance runs out and
> before PP shuts off your number.
Thanks, Todd, for that cute bit of info :-) . Alas, I haven't got QNC going
yet on the antique StarTAC you helped me get fired up w/ PP -- that's
currently on its last dime :-) . And I can't find any sort of mere WAP
browser on the Moto Q9m -- just full-fledged WinMo IE that connects
I-know-not-how, but surely eats data KBs. Nor have I tried tethering it.
HNY! -- tlvp
--
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At 31 Dec 2011 15:24:40 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:20:35 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > At 30 Dec 2011 22:56:44 -0500 The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> >>
> >> ... 2325 ... my daughter had one. We
> >> never had the data cable for that phone to try it. You might want to
> >> ping Todd Allcock, ... QNC tethering uses NO
> >> minutes on PP. ...
> >
> > Sorry, my PP tethering experience is limited to smartphones. FWIW,
free
> > QNC still works in the 30 day grace period when your balance runs out
and
> > before PP shuts off your number.
>
> Thanks, Todd, for that cute bit of info :-) . Alas, I haven't got QNC
going
> yet on the antique StarTAC you helped me get fired up w/ PP -- that's
> currently on its last dime :-) . And I can't find any sort of mere WAP
> browser on the Moto Q9m -- just full-fledged WinMo IE that connects
> I-know-not-how, but surely eats data KBs. Nor have I tried tethering it.
The Q9 doesn't have a WAP-only browser, but most sites will recognize it
as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern equivalent
of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> ...
> The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
> as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern equivalent
> of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site (e.g.,
<http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the Q9's IE
happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ... umm ...
"become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
At 31 Dec 2011 18:52:11 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > ...
> > The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
> > as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern
equivalent
> > of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
>
> Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site
(e.g.,
> <http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the Q9's
IE
> happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ...
umm ...
> "become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
Looks like a bit of a headache, but the instructions to hack the Q9, and
many other Verizon phones, to use free QNC on PP are here:
I avoid the headache by using some of the few Verizon smartphones that
supported QNC out of the box, namely the Samsung i600 and i730. the
former is a flip WinMo smartphone with no touchscreen or WiFi, the latter
has a touchscreen, WiFI, and slide-out hardware keyboard. It's also as
thick as a brick and twice as heavy. There's also a world version of the
i730, the i830, with both CDMA and GSM, but I don't have that one.
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:31:24 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>At 31 Dec 2011 18:52:11 -0500 tlvp wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>> > ...
>> > The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
>> > as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern
>equivalent
>> > of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
>>
>> Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site
>(e.g.,
>> <http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the Q9's
>IE
>> happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ...
>umm ...
>> "become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
>
>
>Looks like a bit of a headache, but the instructions to hack the Q9, and
>many other Verizon phones, to use free QNC on PP are here:
>
><http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-
>up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>
>
>I avoid the headache by using some of the few Verizon smartphones that
>supported QNC out of the box, namely the Samsung i600 and i730. the
>former is a flip WinMo smartphone with no touchscreen or WiFi, the latter
>has a touchscreen, WiFI, and slide-out hardware keyboard. It's also as
>thick as a brick and twice as heavy. There's also a world version of the
>i730, the i830, with both CDMA and GSM, but I don't have that one.
>
>
See, I was right that you were the go to guy for this stuff.:-)
At 01 Jan 2012 06:36:43 -0500 The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:31:24 -0700, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> >At 31 Dec 2011 18:52:11 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> >>
> >> > ...
> >> > The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
> >> > as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern
> >equivalent
> >> > of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
> >>
> >> Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site
> >(e.g.,
> >> <http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the
Q9's
> >IE
> >> happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ...
> >umm ...
> >> "become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
> >
> >
> >Looks like a bit of a headache, but the instructions to hack the Q9,
and
> >many other Verizon phones, to use free QNC on PP are here:
> >
> ><http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-
> >up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>
> >
> >I avoid the headache by using some of the few Verizon smartphones that
> >supported QNC out of the box, namely the Samsung i600 and i730. the
> >former is a flip WinMo smartphone with no touchscreen or WiFi, the
latter
> >has a touchscreen, WiFI, and slide-out hardware keyboard. It's also as
> >thick as a brick and twice as heavy. There's also a world version of
the
> >i730, the i830, with both CDMA and GSM, but I don't have that one.
> >
> >
>
> See, I was right that you were the go to guy for this stuff.:-)
If you want to learn about a fossil, who better to ask than a dinosaur?
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:31:24 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 31 Dec 2011 18:52:11 -0500 tlvp wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> ...
>>> The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
>>> as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern
> equivalent
>>> of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
>>
>> Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site
> (e.g.,
>> <http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the Q9's
> IE
>> happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ...
> umm ...
>> "become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
>
>
> Looks like a bit of a headache, but the instructions to hack the Q9, and
> many other Verizon phones, to use free QNC on PP are here:
>
> <http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-
> up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>
>
> I avoid the headache by using some of the few Verizon smartphones that
> supported QNC out of the box, namely the Samsung i600 and i730. the
> former is a flip WinMo smartphone with no touchscreen or WiFi, the latter
> has a touchscreen, WiFI, and slide-out hardware keyboard. It's also as
> thick as a brick and twice as heavy. There's also a world version of the
> i730, the i830, with both CDMA and GSM, but I don't have that one.
Thanks, Todd. For others finding the HoFo link unusably broken, let me try
(wish me luck :-) ) to repeat it here in functional, unbroken form:
At 01 Jan 2012 15:24:48 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:31:24 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > At 31 Dec 2011 18:52:11 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:01:57 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>> The Q9 ... most sites will recognize it
> >>> as a mobile browser and serve up mobile/WAP/xHTML (the modern
> > equivalent
> >>> of WAP) sites rather than full versions.
> >>
> >> Indeed, they do that. Though the occasional WML-only capable site
> > (e.g.,
> >> <http://www.netaddress.com/mobile>) is willing to send -- and the
Q9's
> > IE
> >> happy to receive -- plain WAP-only WML decks of the sort we've ...
> > umm ...
> >> "become accustomed to ...". Just not via cheap/free qnc, I guess :-{ .
> >
> >
> > Looks like a bit of a headache, but the instructions to hack the Q9,
and
> > many other Verizon phones, to use free QNC on PP are here:
> >
> > <http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-
> > up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>
> >
> > I avoid the headache by using some of the few Verizon smartphones that
> > supported QNC out of the box, namely the Samsung i600 and i730. the
> > former is a flip WinMo smartphone with no touchscreen or WiFi, the
latter
> > has a touchscreen, WiFI, and slide-out hardware keyboard. It's also
as
> > thick as a brick and twice as heavy. There's also a world version of
the
> > i730, the i830, with both CDMA and GSM, but I don't have that one.
>
> Thanks, Todd. For others finding the HoFo link unusably broken, let me
try
> (wish me luck :-) ) to repeat it here in functional, unbroken form:
>
> <http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-
up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>.
Thanks. Sadly, there aren't many newsreaders for WinMo, and the best of
them, QMail, <http://q3.snak.org/en> chokes on long URLs.
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:49:06 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>> ... to repeat it here in functional, unbroken form:
>>
>> <http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/QNC_and_Dial-up_Compatible_Phones_and_HowTo>.
>
> Thanks. Sadly, there aren't many newsreaders for WinMo, and the best of
> them, QMail, <http://q3.snak.org/en> chokes on long URLs.
I see -- the above round-tripped broken again, despite arriving unbroken
when first I posted it. But I see you were replying with a news client
X-Mailer: QMAIL 3.0.9.4402 / Windows CE 5.02 / ARM
for a WinMo version even antiquer than that the Q9m uses.
May nonetheless be worth looking into for the Q9m, too, I suppose, unless
there's a well-acknowledged "better bet" to use.
At 01 Jan 2012 23:41:02 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:49:06 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > ... Sadly, there aren't many newsreaders for WinMo, and the best of
> > them, QMail, <http://q3.snak.org/en> chokes on long URLs.
>
> Looks like there are two Qmails available for WinMo -- one for WinMo 5
&
> 6 Professional, one for jes' plain ol' WinMo6 (ordinary).
Short answer: you want "WinMo 6 Standard", under the "Nightly Build"
section.
Long answer (you've been warned!):
Microsoft has never been good at naming things, and when in doubt, they
just string a bunch of semi-descriptive words together. (I submit
"Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition" as evidence.) It was no
different with smartphones.
Back when MS first got into the phone game, they decided there would be
room in the market for two types of smart devices, one that was primarily
a touchscreen Pocket PC PDA with a phone added, and one that was
primarily a hardware button based phone, with PDA functions added. In
inimitable MS fashion, the two types of device run different and not
quite compatible software.
Originally, the touchscreen models were called "Pocket PC Phone Edition",
and the non-touchscreen devices, "Microsoft Smartphone." When new
versions debuted, the nanjing got pretty unwieldy "Windows Mobile 2003
Second Edition Pocket PC Phone", "Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone", etc.
As smartphones became more popular, MS realized calling the less advanced
models "Smartphone" and the more advanced touchscreen devices something
else was confusing, so they brilliantly stopped calling any of them
smartphones!
Starting with WinMo 6, the touchscreen phones became "Windows Mobile
Professional", the non-touchscreens became "Windows Mobile Standard", and
the very few non-phone PDAs left became "Windows Mobile Classic."
Your Q9, therefore, is a "Windows Mobile 6 Standard" device, so "WM
Standard" or "MS Smartphone" software should work fine. Sadly, though,
QMail might not run particularly well on the Q because of the Q's
landscape display. The developer of QMail seemingly wrote the program
for portrait-oriented displays (which most MS smartphones prior to the Q
featured.) While it runs in landscape, some of the text in the set up
screens and menus runs off the screen, at least on my old T-Mobile Dash
(HTC's knock-off of the popular Moto Q) making the program hard to
configure.
On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:36:10 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 01 Jan 2012 23:41:02 -0500 tlvp wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:49:06 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>>
>>> ... Sadly, there aren't many newsreaders for WinMo, and the best of
>>> them, QMail, <http://q3.snak.org/en> chokes on long URLs.
>>
>> Looks like there are two Qmails available for WinMo -- one for WinMo 5
> &
>> 6 Professional, one for jes' plain ol' WinMo6 (ordinary).
>
>
> Short answer: you want "WinMo 6 Standard", under the "Nightly Build"
> section.
OK ...
> Long answer (you've been warned!):
>
> Microsoft has never been good at naming things, and when in doubt, they
> just string a bunch of semi-descriptive words together. (I submit
> "Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition" as evidence.) It was no
> different with smartphones.
>
> Back when MS first got into the phone game, they decided there would be
> room in the market for two types of smart devices, one that was primarily
> a touchscreen Pocket PC PDA with a phone added, and one that was
> primarily a hardware button based phone, with PDA functions added. In
> inimitable MS fashion, the two types of device run different and not
> quite compatible software.
>
> Originally, the touchscreen models were called "Pocket PC Phone Edition",
> and the non-touchscreen devices, "Microsoft Smartphone." When new
> versions debuted, the nanjing got pretty unwieldy "Windows Mobile 2003
> Second Edition Pocket PC Phone", "Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone", etc.
>
> As smartphones became more popular, MS realized calling the less advanced
> models "Smartphone" and the more advanced touchscreen devices something
> else was confusing, so they brilliantly stopped calling any of them
> smartphones!
>
> Starting with WinMo 6, the touchscreen phones became "Windows Mobile
> Professional", the non-touchscreens became "Windows Mobile Standard", and
> the very few non-phone PDAs left became "Windows Mobile Classic."
>
> Your Q9, therefore, is a "Windows Mobile 6 Standard" device, so "WM
> Standard" or "MS Smartphone" software should work fine. Sadly, though,
> QMail might not run particularly well on the Q because of the Q's
> landscape display. The developer of QMail seemingly wrote the program
> for portrait-oriented displays (which most MS smartphones prior to the Q
> featured.) While it runs in landscape, some of the text in the set up
> screens and menus runs off the screen, at least on my old T-Mobile Dash
> (HTC's knock-off of the popular Moto Q) making the program hard to
> configure.
Thanks for this comprehensive tutorial on what I have and why it's that way
-- hard to get any more detailed, and good to have for future reference.
(Touchscreen = Professional, indeed!) Recent things perhaps even more
confusing have to do with Windows Live Hotmail, Windows Live Mail, Windows
Mail, Live Hotmail, MS Hotmail, Windows Live, MS Passport, live.com, and
hotmail.com.
(No, don't explain, I won't get it :-) .) Cheers, -- tlvp
--
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At 02 Jan 2012 11:55:51 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 23:36:10 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> > At 01 Jan 2012 23:41:02 -0500 tlvp wrote:
> >> On Sun, 01 Jan 2012 19:49:06 -0700, Todd Allcock wrote:
> >>
> >>> ... Sadly, there aren't many newsreaders for WinMo, and the best of
> >>> them, QMail, <http://q3.snak.org/en> chokes on long URLs.
> >>
> >> Looks like there are two Qmails available for WinMo -- one for WinMo
5
> > &
> >> 6 Professional, one for jes' plain ol' WinMo6 (ordinary).
> >
> >
> > Short answer: you want "WinMo 6 Standard", under the "Nightly Build"
> > section.
>
> OK ...
>
> > Long answer (you've been warned!):
> >
> > Microsoft has never been good at naming things, and when in doubt,
they
> > just string a bunch of semi-descriptive words together. (I submit
> > "Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition" as evidence.) It was
no
> > different with smartphones.
> >
> > Back when MS first got into the phone game, they decided there would
be
> > room in the market for two types of smart devices, one that was
primarily
> > a touchscreen Pocket PC PDA with a phone added, and one that was
> > primarily a hardware button based phone, with PDA functions added. In
> > inimitable MS fashion, the two types of device run different and not
> > quite compatible software.
> >
> > Originally, the touchscreen models were called "Pocket PC Phone
Edition",
> > and the non-touchscreen devices, "Microsoft Smartphone." When new
> > versions debuted, the nanjing got pretty unwieldy "Windows Mobile 2003
> > Second Edition Pocket PC Phone", "Windows Mobile 5.0 Smartphone", etc.
> >
> > As smartphones became more popular, MS realized calling the less
advanced
> > models "Smartphone" and the more advanced touchscreen devices
something
> > else was confusing, so they brilliantly stopped calling any of them
> > smartphones!
> >
> > Starting with WinMo 6, the touchscreen phones became "Windows Mobile
> > Professional", the non-touchscreens became "Windows Mobile Standard",
and
> > the very few non-phone PDAs left became "Windows Mobile Classic."
> >
> > Your Q9, therefore, is a "Windows Mobile 6 Standard" device, so "WM
> > Standard" or "MS Smartphone" software should work fine. Sadly, though,
> > QMail might not run particularly well on the Q because of the Q's
> > landscape display. The developer of QMail seemingly wrote the program
> > for portrait-oriented displays (which most MS smartphones prior to
the Q
> > featured.) While it runs in landscape, some of the text in the set up
> > screens and menus runs off the screen, at least on my old T-Mobile
Dash
> > (HTC's knock-off of the popular Moto Q) making the program hard to
> > configure.
>
> Thanks for this comprehensive tutorial on what I have and why it's that
way
> -- hard to get any more detailed, and good to have for future reference.
>
> (Touchscreen = Professional, indeed!) Recent things perhaps even more
> confusing have to do with Windows Live Hotmail, Windows Live Mail,
Windows
> Mail, Live Hotmail, MS Hotmail, Windows Live, MS Passport, live.com, and
> hotmail.com.
>
> (No, don't explain, I won't get it :-) .) Cheers, -- tlvp
I'm not sure I could explain if I were forced to!
I've always wondered if Xbox would've been a success if MS had named it
"Microsoft Windows Home Premium Game Console Edition..." Which, of course,
begs the question, who named the Xbox and why hasn't MS made him or her
Senior VP of Product Naming?
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:53:02 -0700, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>Which, of course,
>begs the question, who named the Xbox and why hasn't MS made him or her
>Senior VP of Product Naming?
Because that person is still Senior Deluxe Professional Assistant Vice
President for Product Nomenclature, Awareness, and Identification for
North American Operations, version 16.81.512, Service Pack 84 Beta.
At 02 Jan 2012 17:18:02 -0500 The Ghost of General Lee wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 10:53:02 -0700, Todd Allcock
> <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> >Which, of course,
> >begs the question, who named the Xbox and why hasn't MS made him or her
> >Senior VP of Product Naming?
>
> Because that person is still Senior Deluxe Professional Assistant Vice
> President for Product Nomenclature, Awareness, and Identification for
> North American Operations, version 16.81.512, Service Pack 84 Beta.
Perhaps, or maybe they fired him or her after (s)he came up with the
names "Zune" and "Bing"...
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